Pedigree Wars

Didnt MAD or someone post that they campaigned many of Bert's later Champs and explained that those dogs never achieve those titles?

 

lets say both benthere AND ziggy has had dogs made it to the cover of magazines,,,

but lets not pretend those magazines have anything in common as far as how they earned that right and the
type of magazine tells it all...

ziggy you are a clown and if you really knew your dogs,,,
you would aim to market them to the right people...

why pretend to have gamedogs if they dont retrieve a pretty penny,,,
you should go back to your base of blue dogs and fold like your bloodline,,,
you would make more selling bullies and you wouldnt have to fake the front...

ziggy you hold zero substance...

 

Simple . since the best you can come up with is some garbage from 20yrs ago.
Are you Patrick ,Alexander or Ulsen? Did you grind with everything in that ped up to that dog? So what did you know really other than the 2 or 3 generation ,one side only @ best.
Is that dog supposed to be something special?
We can play peds & you you need to research.
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [115724] :: (HICKS BOSSMAN)
Too many seen not only everything own there chain spots but that this dog held the same tittle OTC as the dog he looked like in his ped . Grand Ch Bud Lairds Jap.
And all would tell you he was open to the world! he ruined more carriers than Jap did.

Because what ever that garbage was supposed to be you posted ,you wouldn't have fed or even brought his name up if he had competed against Bossman in anything . Especially hunting.
Going back 20yrs to some bootleg bs like it's something special.
Really?!

 

This comment alone proves what I say about you can't even truly read a pedigree.
It proves you stay away from the truth. It proves you are a coward who talk more stuff about people dogs that you do dogs you feed.
Stay on the internet & stay in fantasy land.
You are not 1/2 of what you claim to be EP.

 

THIS WHOLE STATEMENT ONLY PROVES EVEN MORE YOU ARE CLUELESS.
Proves what true fraud you are. Pedigrees are basic .
A dog can only be 100% of anything & anything negative doesn't count for anything.
Basic fraud just reading peds but don't have any coming sense.
1st generation is 50%,2nd 25%,3rd 12.5% & 4th & last is 6.25%
Most only count 1st 3 gen. Most of times 3rd generation on back is all hy-bredized or harmonginized together & DON"T COUNT!
They don't.
But you proved you can't even read a pedigree, not for real you just look for names you have hear of & the stories that go with them.
I don't have blue dogs & never did. Just a fact. added one but never had another. He wasn't bred for that & that's why he did produce dogs of that color.
My dogs base or foundation are not blue dogs. Blue boy was a kennel name & has been known that for quiet some times.That's why some females have the names Blue BOY but were females. And your dummass still can't tell Blue boy ios not a yellow female?
I have more pics per dog per generation than most who have drawn up pedigrees.So ant fool who isn't color blind can see color of dogs.
You don't know 25% of the stuff you talk.
"Crossfire" is the base of the bloodline. He is not blue ,didn't come off blue dogs & never thru blue dogs, you are just dumba ss shit!
But the reality is that the crosses have equal amounts of blood. i.e 25% until woven together as pedigree shown.
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [551683] :: HICK'S BONE VENOM
This is problably one of the most evenly line bred dogs you may . only way closer is to in breed full brother & sister.
You don't know shit . You intentionally put out bad info to hide facts & truth.
You ain't nothing not for real. You are one who needs a pedigree analysis because you don't know how to actually break down a pedigree.
Most real old timers never even look past the 3rd generation & you go to the 8-16th generation. how dumb can one get?!
Remember nothing past the 4th matter. It's just all hybredized together into something different than the origionals.

 

Use ped stats Elias Pistola because you don't know shit when it comes to base of bloodlines & % of blood & dogs.
You just don't !

 

Oh yeah & Crossfire is a line bred Johnie Rockhead dog. EP.
Working dog!

 

LMAO but Ziggy it takes most people the time you breed 7 generations to breed 2....

 

Am I missing something here, where is all this animosity coming from as most of these comments have nothing to do with the original post, instead they are attacking the poster like he owes you money or some shit? LMAO.

 

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Ziggy can I see any 1x or any type of Ch. you bred?
Heres my take on hounds, there all just dogs till they are set down in the [] with a credible referee and either take a win, a draw, picked up game or go out dead game earning them the title of a bulldog. You can talk to me till your blue in the face that there a bulldog because you tested him or her going up hill or 2 or 3 dogged I honestly don't care. This is a controlled environment with only the owner setting the standard. The []
is the only way of proofing an honest bulldog were the owners have no say and the out come either makes you a bulldog or curr. Honestly any other take on this is to do the breed wrong.

Yes we do need breeders but history has shown us breeders who breed the dicks of there bulldogs to get volume out in order take make a statement in the game. Its hard work reguardless and can only be done by a very dedicated person willing to put in the time.
Then you have your die hard competitors who compete to the highest level of the sport, making history at every level and setting new records to break and breed from there accomplished bulldogs.
either way is difficult. There expert conditioners and handlers and die hard about competition.
Can history be achieved with a curr? Hell yes history has shown that also but only because the latter of the two put in the time, sweat, money, effort, distance, keep, handling skills, faith in the blood and put them in the [] in order to take the dog and vett him to the standard needed to prove him a bulldog and prove and make history that that so called curr came from a vetted bloodline taking that and setting a new standard all over again.
Its all a vicious cycle but it must be done with Deep game; deep willed people who are willing to go up against any all odds and win in the [] plain and simple.
So I ask again Ziggy were are your winners and with that many breeding there better be many. Im not knocking you either but you talk that talk like you do the walk that I just spoke on and its my sole opinion and view on honest bulldogs. Lets see them.
87Buick

 

I agree. I don't know Ziggy, but some of you boys jump down his throat faster than them Facehuggers from Aliens! He says the same thing everybody else says. I understand him, but I got a lil sprinkle of retard as Mike Epps says. He ain't the first or last person to breed dogs young. I mentioned some famous dog bein bred early and everybody ignored it. Didn't even acknowledge the fact a dog had a Ch offspring by the time he was 3. I don't care the person, dog, or practice. You guys DO make a difference when Ziggy does it tho. Lyin ass dogmen over the yrs have done the exact same, I'm sure. Hell, Carver wouldn't tell the true breeding, what you think about the ages he bred, or anybody else for that matter?? They're his, he can do what he wants with em. If you don't want em, don't buy em. I ain't seen him trash anybody else's dog FIRST. Y'all treat him like Kenito lol aka a boy

 

You see them in all of the pedigrees 87 buick.
@ least all any one should know about.
Some of folks chose not to put stuff on pedigrees online. Allot of us don't want that on the internet.
Allot of guys got out because of people posting that stuff on the internet.
For what ? If someone gets the dog & use him then he'll see the dogs worth no matter what a pedigree on the internet or paper says.
The reality is that most of you want some kind of bragging rights with out earning them.
Performance & shows are kept secret but these guys think everything is posted on the internet . Times & all & then look dumb when they get busted.
You do know folks got busted over that crap don't you?! Talk others did on the internet about them.
Even when others gotten dogs they were asked not to put that on the internet. For what reasons would you do it?
It's about knowing not posting & telling.
The police are reading each & everything thread on here. Not me saying it but what they said when was on the TV show & busted Sin City.
Yet yall still come on here & ask for something that should be a given.
Everything earned there chain spot 87buick.
Somethings shouldn't have to be said but more & more people want you to do stuff that makes no since what so ever.
Said it a thousand times. The internet is the last place to try & Validate a dogs gameness.
because you can't do it.
So who would ask you to & why ?
Allot of you all have been confused posting & talking about [] & wins then look dumb when you all continue to get busted & yet you don't get it?
Common since won't be common.
87 buick, I would be way more concerned about actually seeing the dog perform well in person than wanting to see pretty colors & bullshit tittles on the internet.
Allot I came across in real life have bullshit tittles on the internet.
If you didn't see it in real life then it doesn't matter. So why worry about it?
I hear , gotten asked same question once or twice.
The only thing ANYONE should be talking about is just breeding these days.
Everything else is trouble! Hope you can understand .

 

I agree with most of what you said. The box ain't for everybody. Money will get you there quicker than good dogs these days! Dogs don't care about the ref, or venue, only the fight. Put two dogs, alone, in a closet, trunk, an empty room, and I'm SURE one if not both will quit! A match is a controlled environment, with rules. A better conditioned dog will, and has, beat the better dog. Does that make him a bulldog because he had the better conditioning? IMO unconditioned dogs show their true colors much faster than a conditioned one. Conditioning can keep "heart" in a quitter. FEELING good helps a whoooooole lot. You ever competed an ANYTHING and didn't feel good. How did you do? Ever fought after subpar training? I feel you are born with it or not. A match won't make you any more a bulldog than one that got done like you described. What about the guys with a very private yard with great dogs?? Are his home tested dogs less bulldog than the one who won a match? What if the home brew dog saw better dogs than the matchdog?

All questions to get this thread on a decent track instead of a Ziggy roast. It's pretty far off at this point! I like most of you guys and feel we could get information straightened out better than attacks on a man or his dogs. Y'all damn near call his dogs trash cuz they aren't lit with names you know, or were bred young. Why not focus on his methods rather than the dogs? HERE IS A QUESTION FOR ANYONE!! Have you seen or heard of his dogs quitting or being curs on average? Don't say, "I haven't heard of any of his dogs before!" That kills your own argument. How can you argue something you know nothing about besides a pedigree? Isn't that what the OG post is about?? Good dogs v good peds????

 

Cool, there only my opinions and I will stick to the [] is the only place to vett a dog in order for it to get called a BULLDOG plain and simple. If the keep wasn't on point then guess what , that person or team had no reason to be there anyway take the loss and shake hands;pay up and suck it up. As for physical fitness and me I was a Marine and a contractor in the sand box. I know physical extreme and so do many of the historically famous dogmen who were vets and turned out to be great conditioners.
I respect the fact that Ziggy and anybody else wants to keep private but the chest beating is annoying if your not going back it on here in some type away.
Again there my opinions and not meant to ruffle feathers.

87Buick

 

I picked up on something a little late.
Thats right the box isn't for everybody and it does take money to get to the box, how much is solely on the contractual agreement.
Dogs don't breed them selves a breeder does.
The box is controlled with rules so you and your hound better be ready. Its all on the person to control this out come.
if your just breeding dog to breed dog well that to me is a dam waist of time.
In order to keep the so Called APBT to its true type is to get to the [].
All roads of a true dogman with a honest hounds must meet in the [].
all that other stuff is guess what? cheap talk and fake dreams. If your end goal is to breed hounds to be cool you know what thats cool
but please stay in your lane and don't talk up un accomplished hounds or so called blood. the reason people get on Ziggy is because he beats his chest
but shows nothing and nobody knows him from adam plain and simple. He talks up his blood yet nobody can say they went into him and his talked up hounds. The fast lane is very small and a team or person making a name for them selfs and letting there hard work show through there bulldogs the word will get out no matter how hard they try to
keep it on the low. But the same goes for over night dreamers they fizzle fast and give up. And it doesn't have to be a risk if you keep a watch on your circle, its only a crime when you get caught. The young idiot thugs Facebook thuggin is whats fucking shit up at a faster rate.

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