Heinzl Dogs

this is what my grandad left me along with his notes and pic of the dogs he bred to.
all i can do is go off his word.

so now what is your next thing to try and call me a lie?

 

i cut the name and address off no need to show that info. but this is another dog he had.

 

nice those peds

 

Well first off all that ius is a ped which proves nothing, the pother ftoo below is alos jsut a ped doesnt even show the dogs name its supposed to be, and if you claim that your old grnapapy had htese dogs back in the day lol then whats the problem in showing some real proof ? sorry but i also have a letter form hienzl i downloaded form the internet and i also have peds sent to me from dogmen so what does your psoting a picture of a ped porve ? nothing thats what, i think if you aksed anyone who claimed like you that his fmaily had had and bred these so called privet stock lol for 40 plkus years , that you could do a little better than that dont you ?but the reason you cant is cos your eugenics council peds are fake , and now your even trying to blame your old granpapy and say that you have no reason not to belive him, when before you said that you and your family had and still had these dogs and other so called old blood like dogs out of mayifelds cotton lol so your backtracking again and throwing your old granpapy under the bus while you backtrack, what a real amn you are mr honest C G LOL.
AND BY THE WAY DO YOU TIHNK YOU COULD HAVE MADE THE FOTOS ANY SMALLER OR DONT YOU WANT ANYONE TO SEE WHAT IS WRIITEN ON THEM LOL NICE TRY PED FAKER I SUPPOSE YOU LOST THESE PEDS AND CANT TAKE ANY BIIGER SIZED FOTOS SO FOLKS CAN TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THEM, AND MAYBE INSTEAD OF CUTTING OUT THE NAME YOU SHOULD PUT THE NAME OF YOUR OLD GRANPAPY OR IS THAT THE REASON YOU DONT SHOW ANYTHING CONECTED TO YOU OR YOUR FAMILY, WELL THATS BECASUE JUST LIKE YOU ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU OR YOUR FAMILY ITS JUST A PED , SO EITHER PUT UP OR JUST ADMIT WHAT EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT YOU MR SOLDIER HOME DOG PEDDLING LIER YOUR A PED FAKER AND FANTASIST , INFACT IM GOING TO RENAME YOU WALTER MITTY .

 

what info you dont even show what the dogs reigstered name is , so ahgain hard to know anything its jsut a pe, maybe i should post up some peds the guys in arizona sent me of their real heinzl dogs , and claim they been in my family for decades like you do, but im not a lying scumbag like you ,so put up or shut up and take your beating on this forum your a digusting lowlife ped faker .

 

The only people to get them from... would be Mr. V or J.B period. The rest are just peddlers and are living off of the work of these men. I would mention D.S , but he is no longer around. B

 

gilligan if this is truh ..don't worry you not the only one lol

 

I forgot to mention R.P also.

 

This whole thread is hilarious. BlackShine ( Charlie Hightower) is a crook. He is NO dogman. He was a guy who drank the kool aid down was selling. He has never done a dog and has no business breeding dogs. He fooled us bc we were new to the internet. All he ever did was bad talk everyone(including tin pan Dave) and talk about how smart he was and what an" eye" he had for dogs. The Noah puppy from the two " pure mayfield dogs he bought from keystone and had shipped from Europe was the worst example if a bulldog I have personally ever owned. The alligator bitch ( triple bred nigerino) was very clumsy and showed very little interest in dogs.
We spent $4,000.00 with this clown bc we trusted him.
He has NEVER tried to make this right. He just PMs people telling his side. ( whispering like a little bitch..
This guy knows zero has never matched a dog and his opinion is worth zero!
He used to repeat dons words so much that he started to believe he was having original ideas.. Stay far away from this guy. After learning what we had bought we realized we'd been duped by a internet legend.
They say you have to deal with them to know them. I personally know that this guy should never be selling or giving advice on bulldogs. He is just a guy who went and bought some dogs on a credit card.. Nothing more.
Keystone says on this forum he told Charlie and Dave to cull the pup they sold us for 2k.. The alligator dog they sold us was not worth feeding..
I don't doubt anything that anyone says about blackshine (Charlie Hightower up in Indiana) he is either a crook or a neophyte.. Either way he has no business selling dogs...

 

I remember the noah dog and I remember keystone telling shine to cull him before he was sold to you he shouldn't of sold him but you shouldn't be putting peoples info up on boards that's also wrong.From what i remember keystone even wanted to replace the bolt dog the sire of noah as he wasn't happy how he turned out.Regardless you are right he shouldn't of sold that dog.

However you did make the decision to deal with such people at least you actually got the dogs some guys in europe bought a male from tin and never got anything for their money he simply just kept it.


Now as for this guy been talked about in this thread gilligan he is far worse than shine because he is a complete pathological liar putting up fake peds and claiming to have dogs bred from dogs that never existed I have never seen such a bullshitter in all my life apart from that nedovic guy who had all those fake peds online also but this guy is no different probably even worse because he has sold dogs and i believe studded dogs out to people with pedigrees that are not even close to the truth.

I am not one to attack people but i read this guy post and attack others and speak with such lies and some people genuinely believe him hence i feel the need to say something.

This guy claims to have all this old heinzl blood that has been in his family for years he has changed his story so many times.

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [409783] :: EUGENICS COUNCILS RED BONE this is one of the supposed foundation of his stock a breeding which never happened

he tried to play the fact down also that he was claiming to own those dogs by saying they were no longer around but as you can see he has posted recent peds

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [262955] :: EUGENICS COUNCIL'S METHUSELAH more complete bullshit of dogs that never existed.

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [426187] :: (EU) MELCHIZEDEK here is another one he claimed to have again this breeding never happened

A bit of a background on this guy he came around in 2008 and used to talk to blackshine and started regurgitating what shine had told him who had regurgitated what don had told him.

He then had a website selling foster bred dogs for big money and offering one dog at stud for 3000 dollars lol. Another rank peddler just what those dogs need right.
Anyway this guy did not even know don yet fast forward a few years and he is claiming to have dog dogs directly from don himself.

I'm not a hater in any way but these lies have to stop putting fake peds on dogs is the lowest thing one can do.
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [427230] :: EUGENICS COUNCIL NESTLES QUICK here is some more fake peds from generations of kershner breedings that never happened.

If You look at ch scorpio he is also claiming to have campaigned him what a load of bs he never even seen this dog and is now claiming to have worked him Which anyone who knows those dogs will know it is complete lies. Plus the fact he would of been around 10-15 years old when that dog was being worked

I have also heard he stole dogs from kershner now this is just here say but all the above is FACT.

There is about 50+ fake pedigrees online by this guy he can easily be proven to be rank.

I felt this had to be said as i have seen people talking of breeding to his dogs and I can't stand to see someone get ripped off and lied to like that anyone that fakes peds like that is a complete scumbag i watch this guy try to talk his way out of everything but lies have a way of catching up with people. I hope no one else falls for his lies like some unfortunately have already.Do not trust any pedigree this guy posts.

 

How am I wrong putting the name of a guy who lied to me and sold us wjat he knew to be garbage? He also told me everything he had at the time had been hard tested. He used to bad talk rod as a peddler and he was worse. All the things he said rod did, he did himself .. I'm sorry you take exception to me putting his name up here, but he owes me. He is a liar and a cheat and from what I see he has gotten exactly what he deserves.. Nothing.
That dude knows he owes us at least an apology. If he is still "in" dogs( he never was) i want everyone to know how he does business. He has my number if anything I've said is factually incorrect.

 

However you did make the decision to deal with such people at least you actually got the dogs some guys in europe bought a male from tin and never got anything for their money he simply just kept it.
aussi................

 

Maybe in some alternate plane people feel " lucky" to have gotten their dog at all as mentioned. If that is the case for you guys you might need to re-think where you buy your dogs...
In my past experience anyone who wants to last ( or stay healthy for that matter) doesn't sell people dogs and not send them. That is not the norm. I've never had someone take my money and not give me my dog. That is just ridiculous. That is something people used to accuse Rod of doing. That's why he had no credibility toward the end. Shine claimed to be someone entirely different. With us he proved himself to do business the exact same way. Nobody can be mad if they get a dog and it doesn't work out... Some do, some don't. That's life. But he did something entirely
Different, he lied about the parents being proven as well as his experience in bulldogs as well as what he had been instructed to do from the breeder of those dogs.

 

hI SHANE I am sure you like most folks who go looking for the pot of gold that even if shine had told you he didnt want to seel noa or the aligator female you liek most others who want soemnthing you would have still wanted it.Now shine never siad to my knowledge that he himself mathced dogs, but his partner from what i understand did look at the dogs he had on his yard, so he wasnt actually lying to you at all, and it seems that your mad at him cos you spent a lot of money on two dogs that didnt work out , and your not the first one it happend to im sure of that , i bet you could have spent money wqith tudor carver boudreuax and many others and been jsut as disappointed, or like the man who bought bolt and demonica from shine , he as more than happy ,so you see im not sure its fair of you to come on and try to make shine out ot be some lowlife who steals folks money , i also found him to be honest , but the point is there is no certainty in the dogs whatsoever, and you should know that by now, and unless shine put a gun to your head and made you buy those dogs then the only person you should be blaming is yourself, eventhoug i understand you feel upset having spent good money on them, but thats life, and the reason you spent good money was how they were bred correct? cos dogs bred like those are not on every street corner ,you wereunlucky bolts last owner was not thats life and shine no longer breeds dogs but i hope you did at least try to breed the aligator female shane , your understanding i hope was good enough even if she wasnt box quality that you realised her potential in her genes and as such her breeding potential based on them , if you didnt then i have o sympathy for you im afraid , and thats a lesson you have had to learn the hard way, but as i say im not trying to be unsypathetic but im not sure shine is at fault .

 

TEH INSTRUCTIONS WHERE BREED GENERAL TO LADY
AND NOT BOLT to LADY.


back to the pure heinzle's

 

The two if u are fools , I have never took anyone for any thing, u ride the bit with gar, ur one if his fuck buddy's, u post lie after lie, first off u will never find my dogs in any mans hands they don't leave the yard, no stud no nothing.
Don't need to fake shit.... If you fools don't know peds online don't mean shit!!! Lol and any man that would be luck to get a dog from me if would be free.. And they will get real adba papers on them.. Trust that! More than I can say for you.
Now let's see, you first say I was a lie because I did not breed but not. X Cleo.

C.G.
You don*t owe me C.G, im just trying to help you.
I had everyone try to tell me crap and in the end I found one truth and im only trying to help you.

Your right, if he is off Cleo and Butt Not then breed him to spookie, no questions asked.
Once you get a yard built up then let them show their understanding INTO YOUR UNDERSTAND and you*ll see it.
They aint touching it.

I have others out there CG,LOL, this family aint going to get lost, trust me
Take care,
Shine

But that was proven wrong ... With the pic of the stick and pup!
Then the two if u jokers cum up with a way to talk around that!

Next you try to talk me down about the hinzel dog.... I post the ped that I got along with the pic..... I can only go off what I was told!!
How the fuck any of u would know and u are not from the same country blows my fucking mind.

C.G
Ive found if you have something like that trust NOBODY, not even me.
I agree with you though, I think there is a problem with the dogs behind solo and the dogs from Rods, only the little Dibo dog do I trust.
To be honest nobody knows about my dogs so when I see Gringo and others talking, they are just talking on rumors they hear but none of it is true, I laugh when I read it, but Don knew what I was doing and I told him how they acted and what they did and he knew I was breeding them right and to me that*s all that mattered and all that will ever matter.
Take care,
Shine

Then u come with some other bullshit about not having a pup off of Popeye, I never said I did I posted a ped because shine said he made the breeding and would give me two pups off it because he owed me.
CG
Yes those are pure looking dogs to me.

I agree with you I told you the best breeding was Brutus to Pandora for a reason lol
Take care,
Shine


I tend to agree with you C.G, I don*t think he wants either of us to have any of this blood now so I will continue to try and get in touch with Tina.

From: C. G [mailto:c.g1401@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:43 PM
To: Charlie Hightower
Subject: Re: Note i sent about Popeye

Shine I got what I paid for in the bitches , I would just like to bred in on it without going out and if u talk to palo befor me let him know he can stop calling me with that fake buddy shit. He new he never was going to send me shit but he wants to pick my bran about shit.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Charlie Hightower <Charlie.Hightower@kimball.com> wrote:

This is what I sent her today,
Lets see if she answers me,,,,Paolo don*t want to send straws for some reason so we will go this route.

Im trying C.G, I want you to get what you paid for man.

From: Charlie Hightower
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:35 PM
To:
Subject:

Hey, did you fall off the earth girl?
Im wanting to find out if Popeye is still alive and if I can breed to him or get him for a guy that has Spookie.
I would like to get a pup off Spookie and want her bred right

 

Oh sorry I for got now u try to say the cream of crop dog crossed into a dog from blunt the midge bitch is fake lol. I don't have that bitch or the offspring, he bred into my cream of the crop dog. And he was on tvk yard, lol I didn't even post that ped... I don't post peds and I don't get on peds on line.
But now I can see what They mean by your not doing anything if your not being hated on... Lol have fun boys tell all the tell u want.

I know u will never tell tells of the box, anytime u would like to show that what u have is better u know how to contact me.
Until then it don't matter what u say because papers don't make the dog!
Yours in sport
E.C.
C.G.

 

I have just called you a rank liar and you try to insult me personally nothing you have posted here proves in any way that you are telling the truth.

What use is an abda pedigree that does not mean you are telling the truth about anything they simply provide a service for people to register dogs but like any business for them it is about money.

Quoting emails between You and shine doesn't prove anything.

Again why are you claiming to have owned dogs that never existed ? Please explain that to me but You and I both know You can't because you're full of sh*t.

 

Everyone one on here BUT A FEW are a bunch of damn liars.

If you aren't willing to prove what you say, don't say it at all.

And by that (if anyone cannot comprehend) I mean PM's, NOT open forum BS.

Not taking sides here, but speaking for all the guys trying to keep the dogs real, not ghetto mutts or hillbilly hounds.

History is GONE...all we have is TODAY.

 

Dude.. That is a hand written ped u dumb ass. That was sent to my grandad.. I never said the dogs were mine I said they were his he had pic with the breeding on the back..
Now I want you to read ur post at how crazy u sound.
You say .. An adba ped is fake they are after money!
With them u must at lest have the sire or dam paper work to get papers.
Peds online any man can post any breeding they want.
So any ped u post could be fake or paper work u show!

Now I will post this for u like I did for u fuck buddy gar.. THE EUGENICS COUNCIL DOGS THAT ARE OFF ADAM AND OFAY ARE DEAD THE LAST ONE WAS 100lb . He was given away !!! I HAVE NEVER BRED TO THEM AND NEVER OFFERED IT OUT TO ANYONE TO BE BRED TO!!!
They were old dogs that I only seen as a kid and only got the one male from family when the old man passed. They are no longer around!!!!!!!
So no one will be taking money from you.. You guys have the purest blood in the world!!