judgeing and breeding to a cold dog...??????

TDK and everybody els .(find it to mutch hassel to comend on everyone so i always try to put a post in general)

One of the best producing bitches of our famely started out as a cold bitch. at the age of 8 she got into a kennel fight with her daughter over her boul of food!!!!. uptil then she was the biggest pasifist ever...

what i ment with that lots of doggers and iven breeder dont know wat real cold dog Is.
Is that i have seen LOTS of(iven wel known dogman of there day) dogman and breeders rating a rank cur as a cold dog. a rank cur is a dog that curs out from the get go tail douwn cur snapping whining ecetera. sometimes such a dog is just a dog that thussend whant to start and later wil. if they dont they are rank curs........ where a cold dog stands there tail wagging gets chewed on, NEVER MAKES A SOUND and in its best case takes the other dog of off him let him ore her go and kinda stands there here i aim im your frind!!. and they take there death doing so.... If i would have gotten 10$$ for every rank cur dog we have seen labeld to be cold i would have been a rich man today!!!!.. and yes ofcours breeders prefeur a performance sister above the cold one...
But history has shown us that the cold dog produces a very high % of game dogs and in our ecspearienses sometimes better then there performance littermates.. As for performing males being more importend to breed of then performing bitches thats rediculess.
BOTH are eaquly importend.
Infact some famelies in the past have shown to be a bitches line where the bitches on averich produced better then the males from the same famelys when out crosses ore line bred.
many a breeder like eurl tudor did not realy fought ore tested his bitches as he did not whanted the hassel of bitches getting in heat ecetera....... and many a wel known dogman of that eurly eara from the times of Eurl tudor george armitige and others never ever lookt at bithes at all!!.....

 

Lol damn right. You and me both Key!

 

TDK and everybody els .(find it to mutch hassel to comend on everyone so i always try to put a post in general)
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very sympathic of you.......thank you .


right note

 

Have done before & will do again. As long as you know what you are doing then you wouldn't worry about.
A lot of dogs are bred "TOO TIGHT".
You have to loosen up dogs that are bred too tight & tighten up dogs bred too loose.
To many these folks these days just sit around & wait for others to do it for them.
A lot don't know the difference between a cold dog & a cur dog.
So when you get a so called cold dog, they may seem as a rough cur.
Either won't start or they are good but won't start nothing unless hit.
Cold dog.
The difference between a cold dog & a cur is simple.
One won't hit the other wants nothing to do with it@ all hit or not.
2 different things.
As long as you breed the "cold dog" to a hot dog, pick the hot ones & breed to another hot one, you shouldn't have any problems as long as you don't go back to the cold dog.
You breed away from the cold dog , not back to the cold dog .
All you are doing is thinning out the blood.
Cold dog with that blood may work just great & never show any more cold dogs if stick to using 50%,43%, 37.5 % or so on.
Hence the tern "Less is More".
If the cold dog comes off good dogs & is bred to good dogs of another family & bred away from the cold dog, you won't have as many problems as you may think.
Once again . Cold dogs & Cur dogs are 2 completely different things.


A lot of people these days do not understand breeding dogs for real.
Cross 2 dogs from 2 different strains & it's neither but something different . Cross that cross & have something once again new.
You can use that cold dog in your blood & have no main effect as long as you checking your dogs & using less than 1/2 of the cold dog in your breedings.

 

It seems to me that a cold dog is a mysterious anomaly, particularly considering the fact that it's a fighting breed...(hmm...sort of acts like Gandhi but looks like Mother Teresa lol)....with all due respect to GH, if he said he'd rate a cold dog 2×dg moreso than a proven DG dog I find that somewhat disrespectful!...(as one is such and the other is purely based on one's own thoughts but I do assume it was said as a descriptive expression.) No doubt it's a strange occurrence and it has been justified by the winners and/or game dogs produced and the only plausible reason I see for doing it beforehand is based on those same winning/game qualities in a cold dog's immediate ancestry....(btw ...I'm curious, where do people go to figure out some of these statistics lol)
So if you had the luxury of choice between littermates, without the benefit of producing ability, would you choose the game one over the game one?

 

some say they get very good results from a cold bitch....
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many have ..only a few say

 

lol
tip ..don't give to much exstra in winter .

 

Opps it appears that I've stuttered...guess where lmao.

 

Ah shit here we go again, I think I explained this shit on here a long time ago LOL

A truly cold dog is neither game or a cur, hence the term COLD. A cold dog is a dog that CANNOT be proven like a UNTOUCHED prospect.

A dog has to START up first before it can quit. If a dog never starts it will never have the opportunity to quit nor will it have the opportunity to prove its gameness.

For a example a Dragster at a quarter mile drag strip the engine wont start , so is that dragster fast or slow? or is it neither because it wont start and cant prove itself?

Can certain game dogs produce? Can certain cur dogs produce? Can certain cold dogs produce? The answer to all three is YES they ALL can BUT that is usually not the norm and the exception to the rule, the less excuses you make the better off your success rate will be.

The norm is usually that a proven game dog will get the chance to be bred to prove his/hers producing capabilities, while a cur dog wont usually get a chance to be bred. A cold dog is harder to decipher when it comes to breeding practices because it aint as distinguishable as a game or cur dog because it doesnt fall in those two categories, but rather that UNKNOWN category.

The simple rule is like TENDS (but not always) to breed like.....The more curs you breed into your program the more curs you will get , the more cold dogs you breed into your program the more cold dogs you will get. The more game dogs you breed into your program more game dogs you will get.

In this new age with all sorts of technology some of you like to over analyze this shit making it more complex then its meant to be LMAO.

 

I don't think there is a clear concensus on what a cold dog is. Some say one that won't hit first some say one that won't hit at all

 

I dont get how one can confuse a rough cur with a cold dog. They are nothing alike. One will start and quit while the other will never start to begin with. Lol, I cant believe im going to say this but I agree with keystone :

some say they get very good results from a cold bitch....
many have ..only a few say.

Everytime this conversation comes up people pretty much name the same famous cold dogs who produced well, what about the many who were bred and didnt produce squat?
Performance has nothing to do with production, as has been said a million times on this site but at the same time, what makes a cold dog worthy of being bred?
I dont have a big yard so I would NEVER, EVER, EVER EVER breed to a cold dog or bitch period and I dont give a shit what its family did before it. I got no time for all that. Im not knocking those who would breed to one either, thats their perogitive but for me, it wont ever happen. If you breed to them then all I can say is good luck with them and hope it works out for you.

 

Yeah I'm confused as to the judging of dogs in this thread. One says a cold dog will fight after being hit first, another says a cold dog stands and takes the punishment.

 

Its just like the what is gameness threads, if one has never seen it personally then its hard to explain it to others who have never seen one and even if you have seen one, its still hard to explain it lol. I have only seen one truely COLD dog and their was no denying what it was. A buddy of mine here owned a dog named Pee-wee that was one of the tightest bred Buck dogs i have ever seen. When let go, just stood there wagging its tail oblivious as to what was about to happen. When the other came through, Pee wee just took it, the whole time, no looking for a way out or a way to defend itself. Not trying to be offensive or deffensive, not trying to turn, run jump NADA, just a sad damn sight to see IMO. Took everything that was dished out and never made an attempt to take hold. For me, its one of those things once you see it you will never forget what it is, same with gameness...

With all due respect to GH, if I wanted an opinion on what a show dog was Id take his advise, if I want to know about box dogs well, im asking someone else lol. Having witnessed one I would never concider it a dbl dead game dog, more like a dog that has absolutely no will to survive.

 

A cold dog isnt hitting anything. A rough cur would.

 

Sai gave the best explination of it i have read so far.

 

"don't think there is a clear concensus on what a cold dog is". When a fella see a cold one they know right off the bat. Cold dog goes into retard mode and stay there. Its like a switch gets turned on. A cold dog is like a freak the pitdogs evil twin brother.

 

Lmao at retard mode. That sums it up short and sweet. :lol:

 

Yea I know I was confused as to how one person felt a cold dog just wouldn't hit first. I couldn't put a dog like that into the cold category

 

.....there was bitch ,many years back....who would scratch all-day...but never take hold....how would ya judge it....it's obvious that everybody has there own idea on what a cold dog is...........??

 

If a dog will hit something then it surely is not cold.