Artificial Insemination (AI) in the performance animal

Ok in the thoroughbred world its banned? So what would happen if you did AI a horse? As far as I'm concerned banned and illegal is the same. Automatic machine guns are banned, not illegal, but your ass going to jail if you get caught with one without proper paperwork

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

The quote is his.... It isn't out of context, and he sites anecdotal evidence at best to support his claims. FACT- AI technology was in it's infancy. People were naturally skeptical of it and who can blame them. There isn't a shred of scientific fact to support your claims or his. This argument is becoming redundant.... either back up your claims with fact... or admit you can not. Thanks for playing... now run along and practice making sense... thanks.

 

It isnt out of context? lets see, heres the full quote and its context;

"At the end of 1943, in America, Raymond Umbough invented a new technique of artificial insemination.Instead of transferring the sperm, he transferred the egg.Experiments were carried out with cows. The cow produces eggs about every three weeks, or 18 times a year. The egg is taken from the most beautiful cow,the best milk producer, an introduced into the uterine cavity of another cow of no specific value. The operation is not difficult,especially when using a tube-like fistula. The bull inseminates the egg in its new site.

The product will have all the characteristics of its selected progenitors because the common cow, the one holding the egg, simply takes on a role of an incubator and therefore cannot transmit any of her own characteristics.The great advantage of this form of breeding is that while the gestation period in the cow selected is close to 200 days, during that same time she can produce none fertile eggs.Transferred and implanted in a common cow, the superior cow can give life to nine beautiful, selected calves.Although the number of animals does not increase, the number of selected animals does.

In this case there is sexual intercourse. There is a possibility that there is no difference whatsoever between those produced artificially and those produced naturally.However, i believe that it is absolutely necessary that any Thoroughbred horses born as a result of this process should be allowed to compete for prizes but neither they nor their descendants should be enrolled in the Golden Book without having passed at least a half a century during which they have not show any special traits or signs of weakness.

This denial of inscription in the Stud Book is not a diminutio capitis(loss of rights),inasmuch as the horses will be able to run in all races under the same conditions, even though not enrolled.It is simply an act of prudence, for the sake of scientific proof."

The thread title is AI in the performance animal, now you run along gather ALL your AI evidence and come back with FACT to refute it......CHEERS for PLAYING.

 

What would happen? the same thing in Tesios day, inferior progeny,its not criminal so you wouldnt be facing a criminal conviction. or criminal charges.

 

You are really having a hard time with this aren't you Tigerlines...... Relax.... back up.... review your information. Then when you are ready.... I mean REALLY ready to PROVE your case.... step up to the plate.

This really isn't rocket science chief..... People believe in all sorts of goofy unsubstantiated sht. For instance.... I believe Michelle Obama is clearly a descendent of Big Foot.....As is the case with your theory... I can't prove it.... But in my heart of hearts I believe she is yeti. By all means.... avoid modern artificial breeding techniques if they give you a bad feeling. Just quit insisting that other people see things your way. Good luck mister.

 

Im not trying to prove a case and have no need to.Tesio proved his truth, you use AI, im asking you to prove yours.

 

I never asked you to read or respond or insist you see anything my way or any other way, you took it upon your self to comment, fine, you use AI youve stated theirs no difference, fine, list your AI breedings so we can all see their performance and production record relative to its ancestry.

 

You have no working knowledge of my dogs or their ancestors from which to draw a comparison Tigerlines, and the ONLY thing Tesio proved is that he was better at winning races than he was explaining his views on why AI isn't practical. Views that a good many successful modern breeders believe to be ill informed and dated by the way. There are a few dogs from our AI breedings in well known hunters hands.... and the dogs are looking pretty good. Some seem to be doing at least as well as their parents.

 

Reread, carefully,i dont claim to know your dogs or anyones, ive asked you to lists them so we can all see their performance and production in REALITY not opinion, theory or bullshit,relative to its own ancestry as a Pit Bull Dog..

Tesio didnt win races, his horses did,he bred them from below average horses,with little money in the wealthy sport of Kings.

If you or anyone wishes to use AI, thats entirely fine by me,and you dont have to explain yourself, however, if you wish to dispute what Tesio stated and proved, you will have to list the AI breedings so we can compare what ever success it has relative to its ancestry.

 

It sounds very FISHY when you ask other people to list (prove) there performance and production records of there own private info on a public forum for all eyes to see, when you yourself I bet wouldnt post your own private stock on here.

Basically no one gives a fuck what Tesio stated because those who have done and experienced A.I. breedings for themselves already know the results regardless of what Tesio or anyone else has said because each individuals results are based on each individuals experiences and not all of them are the same.

 

Thank you TDK.... I appreciate the kind words. Tigerlines means well in my opinion. But to paraphrase someone much smarter than I'll ever be..... It's not what you KNOW that gets you into trouble.... it's what you THINK you know that just..... ain't so. People often get caught up in a hurry these days, and turn into experts on topics long before they should. Tesio is an interesting read whether or not you agree with his ideas.... The same can be said to a degree about Tigerlines. It get's boring when everyone agrees over everything. But it's pretty cool in my book when people do so respectfully.

 

TDK,Scientifc study is precisely fact, based on empirical evidence...Enquiry is the act of trying to find fact and truth...the entire point of the thread.

Tesios already explained your question,The manifestation of great nervous energy,is a product of great desire,released in sexual intercourse,from and by both ,which does not exist in AI....this effects sex selection, a fundamental driving force of evolution,which works through combat and display....which you and no other poster has yet addressed.

Point out Tesio's garbage and substantiate your opinion with fact.

 

Dogs aren't wild animals, I think if we were talking about lions or tigers I'd agree with you.

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

Has Tesios research been conclusively acknowledge as fact by the scientific community or is this study still a work in progress?

Tigerlines, you seem to have overlooked TDK last paragraph? I think it's only fair to give your own opinion before requesting others to supply theirs.

ps...I'll give you mine now though...it's all a bit too 'heavy duty' for me to comprehend fully lol....so this is all I got to say on this thread and from what I did gather, it has been thought provoking.

 

tiger you ask people to post info that shouldn't be posted but on another thread you posted this . are you trying to pull out info that shouldn't be posted YES .
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I cant give an example of what?....Badger baiting is illegal as is Pit bull type dog ownership,......are you so thick as pig shit that you insist i break the law of the land to post illegal information to prove what to you ?

The trials were organised by the KC in Ireland and where restricted by LAW,no real work took place, the sets where artificial, the badgers where tame,the dog had 12 min to draw the badger, that maybe real work to you....not to anyone else........the real Irish badger work took place far away from the trials as a fact.

 

Opps apologies Tigerlines you did give an answer... (its all in the orgasm right?.....yeah rock on baby lol)

 

Tigerlines.... That didn't even make a little bit of sense. Let it go man.... Tesio wasn't a scientist. His work wasn't science. That's not to say he wasn't good at what he did.... but I suspect he had ulterior motives in presenting his theories to the racing community, and I'm beginning to wonder about yours as well. Put a fork in it man.

 

I've seen dogs from AI breedings look, act, and perform just as dogs from natural breedings. I can think of winners and a few champion dogs that have resulted from AI litters.

 

I took the time to read all of that. In all of that, there was no scientific studies quoted, nor any produced, that agreed with Tesio's ideas. An idea is just that and nothing more.