who is the best?

She would kill em, eat em, shit em out and then kick dirt on em.
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RIGHT LOL

 

Coming back to this after some "online pedigree" research LOL, Could you post a few of the dogs names for me to see if i can dig up some info in?
Plumbers Ch Alligator, but that is a little removed from the straight Old Family stock if you ask me. Satin Lady also goes back to the old Centepede stuff through Black Widow. Also a lot of that ol Feeley stock in there too, along with the Suttons imoports and some Colby through Fighting Peter. I would concider Alligator to be scatter bred, but not trying to take anything from him, because he was obviously a great dog and many lines based off the dog.
I am just trying to fill voids in my mind and any help is much obliged.

Fun to look back through the old "online peds" atleast it gives me an idea of what comes from what -

 

I'm not going to go through boxes and boxes of pedigrees or files and files to show this and for what?
I just had the magazine out and showed a guy from GA. and let him read it.
Man when are you people going to wise up about Online Pedigrees?
Go to the registries and get the correct information directly from the registration papers by the people who bred them...


The point with Plumbers Ch Alligator was to show a different era and different strain of dogs Jim Williams had and used.
Yes, I know how the dog was bred. I saw the dog and knew the Plumbers, specially Dave McK.


Remember the point here. Bob Hemphill and Dan McCoy weren't the only ones who had Lightner dogs or the Irish imported stock.
In fact as for Irish imported dogs, no one knows for sure if 1. Lightner dogs were direct imports from Ireland and 2. if there was any crosses in them because he got them from his family, he didn't imported them directly from Ireland like Corcoran, Shipley and the rest.
This is the point.


Writing that in 1927 they got the last of the straight Lightner dogs isn't true and/or to claim or imply this was only imported Irish stock isn't true.
So when you read something in writing, people need to check their references.


Speaking of books, next time I see you I will tell you about some books that was wrote which the late Lester Hughes aka Mountain Man and I talked about......lol

 

Its all good man -by the way you had quoted the page and issue, i figured you had it close.You must just have had it in your head from the last time you had it out for that feller in Georgia .
I got the point, but was just trying to continue with my research with some pointers that you could possibly provide.
At one point Lightner switched from the red dogs to the other stuff per Colorado Imp and Searcy Jeff, and it seems that others used the stock that D.M and B.Hemphill had aquired as the articles and pedigrees show, to keep the red dogs going. Were there others that had the blood? --- most likely, but the articles were written before both of our times and from a few different sources. Again - I was just going by what I have read. It does seem to me that they did a bang up job in keeping them going, but that is JMO.

Thanks for getting back to me though either way. I guess I will just have to wait and hope i can see the articles you have mentioned.




Again - all good - I was just trying to keep my research going.

 

Well I've got a 6 month old "Golden Head Rednose" that is the best ever! Nothing can touch this dog!!

If people were dogs, would you be a cur?

 

Sorry I couldn't resist

If people were dogs, would you be a cur?

 

I don't know, I think it's hard to say one best without short changing so many others

If people were dogs, would you be a cur?

 

lol - thanks for reminding us of the topic at hand -

them golden hear red nosed tigerstripe crosses are pretty impressive - lmfao -

on the topic though - guess the best has been posted - nobody else wante to bring up a best in their views!!

 

mayfield's hondo ..........................................

 

Agks contribution seems to have disappeared.. But it was a good one.

 

There r so many greats, this tread should go 4 days.........DLB,Grand Champion,
TORNADO !

 

HOWARD HEINZL Said this one was "The Best Pit Dog that He's ever seen" ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [857] :: COLBY'S BUDDY

 

Something I notice often is the changing hangs of dogs. For instance Colby's Buddy as just posted. "HOWARD HEINZL SAID THAT BUDDY WAS THE BEST FIGHTING DOG HE HAD EVER SEEN,RANKING HIM NUMBER ONE OVER T-BONE AND TUDOR'S DIBO. BUDDY WAS LATER SENT TO HEINZL IN CHICAGO ON SEPT.26,1942"

Chinaman was another dog handed over several times for various reasons. I consider that pure love of the breed to turn a dog over after obtaining CH.

 

BUDDY WAS LATER SENT TO HEINZL IN CHICAGO ON SEPT.26,1942"
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then hopefully howerd send some pup(s) back .
of buddy and his bitches

 

" the best " is an "ace" not a onesided "freak", unless the "freak" has seen the otherside.
" the best " comes from the best and goes into the best.
" the best " also has sibblings thatare" the best."
" the best " produce " the best ."
bolio was an ace and ace producer
grch hank,at least two worthy sibblings and worth while producer, but
s&w grch badger was a freak that was muzzle tested hard with two.
I beleave he had two champion littermates and produced fair.
How many freaks have 1.heart 2.linage 3.solid siblings & 4. Solid producer .

 

so if you breed to a family(s) where is lots of gameness you get more gameness .
and if you breed to a family(s) where is little gameness you wil get little gameness .
the best is about producing family's (dogs)

 

I don't know if you have read any those old magazines but back then they didn't place the pedigree in to many of them. Why I don't know, maybe the cost. Not sure but this was common clear back in the 1890's Dog Fancier.


BTW if you check around you will see Bill didn't get rid of all his family's dogs, he started to cross some with black nose stock of which no one knew how they were really bred.

 

Right! game dogs produce game dogs and cur dogs produce cur dogs on average.
Culling can make a world of difference when family breeding dogs.

 

Man you are a know it all for someone who knows nothing about the dogs you talk about.
Tornado, did you ever see her of her father Butch or Stripper her mother, or any of her litter mates?
How about Ch. Saloon or his father Ch. Tommy who died at my friend's house Palmer Combs.


There is an 80 year old man from NY living in GA. and personally knew John P. This old man owned Sporting Dog Journal.
He has stated many times when the boys got back from the WW2 most of John's stock almost gone and they had to go to Howard and John F in Ca. to get stock back.
So the stock that was John P owned his self and bred was almost died off.


Also if you ever talk to the old man in GA. ask him about the dog Oscar and what Frank Ferris had to say how the dog was bred from ADBA records which came from Tudor.


BTW Bolio Bo lee' o was a BOS 1xw is all for Bennett and was owned by Pat Carver at the time. The dog was sold to Indian Sonny where he was stolen.


Dibo no one knows for sure if he was or wasn't ever matched. Often the story of an IL. match is talked about. It wasn't Dibo matched in IL. it was son Spike into the late Jack Smith's Dugan DG.
There is no know matches of Dibo and when bred to Red Lady hit gold.


Yes, Howard was from Chicago, when he left he stole Corvino's Blackie and gave him to Earl Tudor when Howard moved to AZ. Joe Jr. was a young kid and was out walking the dog.
Many of the kids of the Corvino family will tell you about this.


I'm amazed how everyone thinks people today never talked to Howard, Bob Wallace, Bert Clouse, Clyde Mason, they all lived up into the 1980's.
Maurice, Frank Fitzwater, Leo Kanard, Earl Tudor and many more died in the late 70's.
hum I love repeated stories by people who never talked to any of them. (/)

 

yes iv read that about the black nosed ones. in the post you quoted of mine. I mentioned a couple of them. gotta love the history of these dogs.