Show destroyed breeds

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i dont know about boxers or amstaffs but i've seen good working examples of all the others.

 

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This ignant shit again? I've never seen a "show breeder" put a gun to any "working breeder's" head and force them to take their dogs to a dog show and prance around a ring with them. People do what they want to do with their damned property. Don't like show dogs or show folks? Fine, leave them alone, keep your standards and do you.
People just seem to need to blame other people for the shit in their own toilets.

And let's be honest,...times they are a changing ....and have been doing so forever.....a whole lot of the breeds people bitch about having been destroyed by show breeders no longer serve any purpose outside the show ring and frankly would not exist otherwise.

 

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This post is the only "ignant shit" here. Show folks breed for beauty and breed dogs in pain and unhealthy. That is a crime to me. People think dog fighting is animal cruelty, it isn't, breeding unhealthy animals who suffer so you can parade around a ring with them is cruelty. Have you ever seen a show GSD walk? It hurts me to even look at. Imagine being this dog with drives and energy (yes, show GSD aren't COMPLETELY removed from their ancestors) and yet you can't even run. Look at pugs, they choke and pass out on their own soft palate. Or bulldogs, we don't even need to go there. You may not know it but the breeds ARE extinct. The show dogs of those breeds today are just a hollow shell.

 

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Wow,....you really schooled me there,.......how could I not have known all that obvious-assed dumbshit. Bottom line, those with truly strong opinions on the subject spend their time doing what they have to do and keeping their mouths shut about it,...instead of whining on message boards about show dogs---while fishin' for like minds and incriminating comments.

 

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Incriminating comments? LOL I'm just voicing my opinions online, which is kind of what message boards are for. You're doing it right now too, if you didn't know that.

 

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I had an old dvd i picked up from an old ed reid show which shows some boxers...wasnt bad examples at all...seem to remember one being shown aged 11 and still running and jumping...i think it just comes down to finding the right quality breeder...every breed has good and bad examples...i would always choose to go to a breeder who isnt just doing it for money and breeds the dogs based on them serving what they was bred for.

 

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Is there a low slung Stafford you know worth talking about ? I'm yet to see one worth anything other than the ribbon they get at shows.

Old pit dogs (including Stafford) weren't rangy but balanced, leggier with substance, not toothpick looking.
if you are 1 who still think the short worthless pieces of crap we see today are a result of selective breeding I feel sorry for you

 

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I have a dog produced by my male and female Bull Terriers.
That is no joke they had to remove their APBT from their home
after the first incident 8 months old, done schooled their pit and
the pit was 1.5 years already. English Bull terriers are very chill
but when they hear snap crackle, they will pop. I do also agree tha the AKC
has ruined many dogs but it would be ignorant to say there are no good ones anymore.
that's just stupid There are many breeders that never go to show and breed their dogs for their
own purpose. The rest is just hate because sometimes people need a hug but nobody ever gives it to them.
Kleenex anyone

 

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Maybe a small % of EBTs are worth a bet in a sport, but most aren't.

 

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I haven´t even talked about the show stafford. If their is one thing I don´t like it´s all these breeders who breed for rangy dogs and claim that they are working when they´re only bred for another look than the show stafford. It´s ridiculous. It´s like claiming an APBT bred for generations to fit the ADBA standard to be game bred.

 

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12Gauge you shock me, you have collected enough pictures from all the forums you go on to realise that over the years a good stafford is a good stafford no matter how it looks. As you should know breeding for a certain look is as bad as showing KC standards. Good dogs are all sorts of shapes and sizes

 

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I think whats hes trying to say is that if you look at the old photos of staffords they came in different sizes as we all know certain regions in & around the black country prefered the smaller dog for ratting ect while in another region it was a taller dog for the pit , they days have gone now the KC bragade has came in set a size & thats what they say is the standard staff , anything bigger or more athletic they will class as a cross breed with pitbull in it , we just have to look at what they have done to the bulldog breed the old tyme english dorset bulldog looks nothing like the british bulldog yet the british bulldog is plauged with health problems & the old tyme dog is a more fit & agile dog yet stillnot recognised by the kennel club.

 

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yes i have, it's one of my hobbies. a low slung, broad chest, short legged dog could never compare with a more balance one. the fire may be there but when the dog is tested hard enough the true colors will come out.
for example it's not the same a dog 16 inch tall with a body thickness of 12 inches and 4 inches of leg, than a 16 inch dog with a body thickness 0f 9 inch and 7 inch leg (figure of speech). on top of the disproportionate head, nose/skull body. a short dog isnt a low slung dog, i have dogs under 17 inches and very well balanced that i wouldnt trade for taller ones. yes they come in all sizes but i prefer the ones i got, i've better results, but that's just me.

for instance you think this dog (stafford A) even with good fire (and assuming 5-10 lbs lighter) could compete with stafford B. I have seen both types in action and i know my choice. I have also friends who had been in show staffords for close to 2 decades, after they've experienced the dogs i prefer they are no longer breeding what they had. quite a turn around if you ask me, and it takes a lot to change someone's mind about something they believed for such a long time.


dog A


dog B

 

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oh ok, understood now. we are on the same page and i agree with you about those staffords bred for looks alone tall or short.

 

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another thing, you got me thinking no Surrender. the forums i go to are for athletic events, a-frame, lure chasing, wall climbing, etc... those are activities that dont test your stafford in any way , shape or form. they are competitions for the hounds to have fun, but that is no test no matter how you look at it. a 5-10 mins obstacle is no mental or physical test for the stafford.
i've have seen staffords of all "sizes" that their owners are so proud of them for doing so good on agility, lol! give up after walking on a tough terrain after varmin after a few hours. that's why my size and balance preference. anyone can disagree with me and that's absolutely fine. I just look at past winners and wonder why most of them had nice balanced head body ratio, good length of leg, good length of neck, etc..
ask people who hunt with dogs to see what their preference of size is?
i also wonder why some of the past staffords and apbt winners and gr ch were rangy? coincidence?

 

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it all depends on what you want your dogs to achieve i spose , with staffords if your hunting,ratting ,or gambling a well balanced not too high in the leg dog might be for you, but for a badger "billy"dog the length of its legs dosnt really come into it ,you need spunk and raw power rather than the gymnastics of a gambling dog .jmo

 

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http://mob1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc486/jacko651/004-1.jpg 2yrs old ,would you say that this is a ruined stafford ?belongs to a friend .

 

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I'll take the B dog. That white one looks good to Jacko

 

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any way .. that 1st pic you put up is a joke dog pure and simple ,that 2nd is an amos bane if am not mistaken ..i"ll take no2 every time .but like i said it"s "what do you want a dog for "?