Todays staffords it's a shame

Nobody that champion SBT you talk of hasnt been bred that many times and won't be being bred many more times so the chances of a sound breeding programm being made around the dog is slim to zero. Riff, Little Man & Bridgette were all good ones from him and there could be more in the future, who knows.

 

Gogg his breeder bred bitches to him after his loss so they must have been ok with him. i'm also told he was given many chances to quit afterwards but never did or showed he wanted to. I wasnt there so, who knows...just passing on rumours

 

Why do some say he wasn't a pure stafford? Would you guys choose to breed a program around the dog after the confusion on the loss. Or a dog who has no doughts but prehaps wasn't show quality. Any litter mates of this ch get upto much?

 

Had spoken with the owners but was so drunk I can't even remember what was said to be honest I know they was fine with the dog though and if they are the ones feeding him guess that's all that matters.

 

This so called Ch SBT only ever won 2 3rd is a mystery and can't be varified. Previous owner wasn't there nor was the owners own partner or any other known dogger. The dog flat out quit in his 3rd. None of his opponent's were considered roll quality let alone show quality.

 

Gog the bitch mentioned above got smashed not sure how or the details and is rip

 

any stafford that can make the pit is better than 99% of them. they will all quit if you mess them up bad enough and that is what happened with the dog, maybe not the most talented stafford ever, maybe not the gamest but as staffords go i would say he was better than the majority and at least was looked at which is more than most that just get bred for colour or a name way back in their pedigree.

 

Agree with you on that sunbeam same goes for a lot of pits bred for nothing more than the names behind em and to line the owners pocket.

 

Yes nice post who knows what the future holds??

 

This is turning into a good topic.

There has been enough Staffords during recent years that has proven they can compete with the APBT! Several winners and even a couple of CHs. Considering the small amount of well kept Staffs, that is an acheivement by itself. But most important it proves that there is no reasson to listen to the naysayers.

However I do agree that the Staffs has disadvantages compared to the APBT. What is usually mentioned is lack of gameness and wind- I dont agree with either of these statements. But the Staffs lack in conformation! The APBT is generally speaking better peaked at its best weight. In other words, with an APBT and a staff on the same weight, the APBT will be a bigger dog! Putting the Staff at a disadvantage.

As several people said, there is not enough breedings being done with the good Staffords. The reasson for it has also been mentioned, there is too much paper peddlers out there! And too few that actually want to do something serious with the Staffords. Those who has the good Staffords dont want to hand it over to the peddlers. I personally rather give away pups as pets. 10-20 years ago in Europe, the well bred APBT was something exclusive, those who where not in the right crowd had to settle with the Staffs. Today it is the opposite, the good Staffs are kept in a close circuit.

Someone suggested that those who keeps Staffs dont have experience with the APBT- it is not correct. Some of the guys who keeps good Staffords also has a very good record with Pit Bulls. They still keep Staffords because they have pride in them, and they like them. I would actually put it the other way around, those sitting here slagging the Staffs do not have access to the contemporary good stuff, and has not even seen them.

There is a lot of talk about winning in the topic. Well, any moron with money can buy themselves a wellbred APBT on the net, and probably win with it! There used to be offsprings of Grand champions sold over the net, at a slip of your credit card! Where is the pride in winning with that?

 

Think you're right, but think there is a dam good reason why the good staffords are hidden for the paper peddlers.
If they were availeble for them i think within 2 years there won't be 1 good stafford left.

 

If when giving an honest opinion on oneself's views,it put's it across that you are anti stafford or a naysayer,then so be it.
Any good stafford of recent years must surely be a drop in the ocean,which means that there is no gene pool whatsoever to make any advancements in any breeding programme. In fact,that gene pool is in the same dire state as the quality of working owners.
Someone asked why a breeding programme was not started on a certain dog & mentioned several offspring from a litter he sired. Along with that sire,them sons & their brother were all sold. So how good were they in REALITY ? The excuse made for the sire was a valid excuse for losing,but definately not for stopping.
I've heard all the hype on dogs & how clever they are. Excuses for not being shown include too light,too good !!,no takers for a stafford etc etc. Soon after,there is a litter of pups on the ground & soon after that,them adults are for sale. I can obviously only speak for the country i am in & the bullshit i hear & see. As someone quite rightly wrote,bullshit x bullshit=bullshit.
Sadly,these fine staffords (in all honesty) are almost finished as a working breed.
Even sadder is the thought of the state of them dogs which will follow,for the future generations.
I am not an owner & have no intention of owning any type of dog. This is just an observers honest opinion.

 

Good point about the dogs being sold. Don't know about the apbt being taller being an advantage otr wouldn't it just come down to styles? Also I'd hate to think any moron can buy a well bred apbt on the net but wouldn't be shocked. I understand what your saying about buying a dog and just showing it not having the same sort of pride I also think bond because those owners tend to have little respect for the dogs. I didn't mean it like that just meant the whole point of the show was to win can't say it isn't. Not everyone has the time,space and money to bother trying to bring the staffords back and if they do fair play to em but their are dogs that already do the job the only difference would be the name does that really matter?

 

that is a post
i love staffs and had the privelidge of owning an awesome little male that was nothing like what most on here ar thinking staffords are however he was not a typical looking staff more slightly built less heavy and tha goes to the quote above the pbt has come to be the shape and fom he is through the puruit of winning and and if you had a programme to make staffords into winners then there would hardly be a noticable difference as they are more or less the same dog but one bred for performance and one bred as a pet show dog jmho

 

ill say it again there are a few keeping the stafford real and one day it would be good to see staffords that can consistently keep up with there larger american cousin when that happens ill be haveing orgasams lol lol come on england lets bring back our staffordshire pit terrier

 

Thought a few good ones where already mentioned over here.

 

hear hear! only a fool would go public with the next "big thing" for obvious reasons.
anyway i can honestly say that there are not many kegs on legs where i"m from .probably too embarrased to be seen seen outside a showring lol

 

Thought a few good ones where already mentioned over here.

 

yes a few lets have more

 

it is simply a anerican bully