Fastlane dogs vs old school stock

Canines diverged from their wolf ancestry 100,000s of years ago when they became accustomed to scavenging from cave men and early settlements. Science has learnt that the difference between species lays in the evolution of their respective digestive tracts. Wolves remained set on a diet of raw meat and carrion whereas domestic dogs adapted to a wider diet of grain, cereals and raw/cooked meat.

This is fact and supports the kibble debate. But diet alone won't win the day. But it can help in a good keep with a seasoned boxdog. Raw feeders will need a greater knowledge base than premiere kibble nutrition. Same goes for followers of steroid use in the fast lane.

 

Research Looks At Starchy Diet's Role In Dogs' Evolution : NPR

Enjoy...:-)

 

You know what i wil do something better.
Here are 2 dogs just in normal condition with just handwalking, playing and few raw and 1 dog who wasn't even been put in a real keep but just some basic training for a few weeks.
These are not even trained.








This 1 wasn't even been thru a real keep just lot's of handwalking and running.




Some of the things they eat and believe me no kibble can be compared against this no matter how good of quality the kibble is.

 

Listen the "fast lane" had nothing to do with the dogs himself. A fella could flip open a rag and buy himself a match dog then put himself in the mix. Get hooked and campaign to champion. All without starting on the ground floor there in the mix. Some guys never raised a litter himself or shovled shit behind some dogs .all of a sudden there showing dogs and didn't put much time in and next thing you know is there going into top camps. That was the fast lane and that's why over time the class left these dogs and dipshits took over.

 

Fricking amen!!!!!!..
Epola >>
.. let me tell you a ting or two about reducing time when conditioning a dog..

WE in the old days workt dogs the old fasion way.90 day keeps 5 hours work on a day. we did the mayfield keep the grenshaw keep. and later the ""golden keep"of jack Kelly.

Many a new comer then and iven today was looking backwards when looking for the right way to condition a dog.

As it is back then there was a guy who was real good with aproching conditioning one. he cut the work load douwn from 90 days to 42 days. 6 days a week 1 day of. he workt a dog no longer at its peak . with a hour walk and 1 hour treadmill. to get the same iven BETER results. doing these classic conditioning methods wich where upto 5 hours aday work in some cases.. RAW meat diets where cut back to 1/4 lbs of lean minst beef/dear/goat meat. together with 1/5 lbs spinage and drij kibble. and some riced if needed. the restwas Kibble. So ANYBODY who think raw diet was never never fed is wrong!!...

later the work load was reduced iven more. sins a stript douwn healthy dog on the chain could partisiopate in a sporting evend for 25 min, befor exaustion!!. when giving a dog a 2 weeks pre keep and on weight he could go for 35 min till exaustion.

It made comon sense that the old fasion way in working dogs that long(90 days upto 5hours) was rediculess knowing most dogs could not perform as wel ore shown the mouth when healthy of the chain!!.

a diferend aprochs was sought for. and that aprochs was LESS CAN BE MORE!!.

The work load was cut back to 2 ore iven 3 days work and one day of!!.insted of 6 days work 7th day rest. Dogs where NEVER workt more then 70% of what there internal battery had!.

Work started at the aczackt same time as the sporting evend was supost to take place. THIS umonst others to condition the MIND and the BODY to get used to led of energy at a pre set time!!.

Rubbing a dog douwn 15 min with a special rubdouwn tonic was used to warm the dog up and stretchst there muscle. to avoid muscle tears and getting shorter les flexing muscle . The dog was workt of a HIGH pace power walk where he pulled in a harnas (NEVER ON A COLLAR). This to enhanse muscle strenght durabilety and to give the dog the right air fuel intake to be able to do so. Because a choking collar will produce lactic asid build up!!... shortening stamina

Afther the hour of power walk the dog got a 15 min rest!!. prefeureble another rubdouwn.

then the mill sesion started at 5 min .Increasing it with 2 to 3 min a day. when the dogs reached the 15 min mark he got a 30 sec full trottle gallop!!.with a lure!

When the lure was out of sight , stopwach timing was used to mesure the time he needed to get back in the Trot and how long it took to recuver while working the mill trot.

So mesurinmg recuvery time while working!!!!

every 7th min he got another 30 sec full trottle galop In the build up witch at its peak lasted no longer then 45/60 min.

feed and suplemends was specific choosen and bij trail and error it was found out that to buld up hemoglobine(red blood cell count) we needed to feed the dog natural wite-E 4 hours befor workout!! To give the dog a great fast start and to prolong his first wind!!.

feeding the dogs liquit iron as that wil enhansed red bloodsell count(hemoglobin). in his feed ,but you can NOT feed these suplemds together as they neutrolize ecother!!.. The intyer keep feeding / suplemd program was based on a long high pace first wind/

Wich would last 4 to 10 min longer then the oposition in a sporting evend during given day!!. No matter how long this sporting event lasted. the outcome was most of the time detirmined and viseble around the 25/30 min mark.

as it would be the same looking at 2 ,500 hp cars.

one of the cars needed to shift at 5000 rpm while the other car with the same hp could shift at 6000 rpm talking a lead with every gear SHIFT!!. Is that sientific aprouch enoughf for you!!!!!. harth rate was mesured as wel. in his tapering douwn days .

workload was cut in half so every day for 3 days he saved up 50% of his energy!!. from wichs he was used to trow out. Then on rest day a dog would be full of himself alredy and at the necst day when his mind and body was used to start another 3 day sesion of work he was redy!!. BUT peak performance was short it had to be used in a time span of 4 hours. befor dogs would slowly lose there peak state of conditioning...

low builk feeding was the key as wel as the pre diguested kibble with suplemends wichs gave the dogs a beter and faster recuvery time during resting. times where messured how long it took for the dog to come out of his doghouse prior to workouts.

in doing so man could detirmin if the dog was getting close to getting stale ore being pushed to fast ore to far with his high pase workloads... Ore if he was spot on!!!. and ofcours man could antisiopate on that knowing these results. looking at a dogs tail on a mill ore during his 30 min cooling douwn walk and see if he would walk like a camel would tell you enoughf as wel.. as did the hight of his tail tell you how drained the battery was....

blood counds where done every week. to chek kidneys liver hemocrite. to messure a dogs progress.

iven body temparature, as the real dog man know that a dog wil 9 out of 10 times subcome to internal HEAT and not due to fisicel trauma. A core temp of 109 degrees fahrenheid is deadly and your dog wil not sirvive.

i can go on and on. but please dont tell me todays ways of the younger crouwed ore pepsi cola generation is beter superior then some of this stuf mentiond above... as most tricks are not sheared bij actif oldtimers to other people....

I have put sientific proofe of feeding drij kibble on this forum based on greyhound racing but i belive it was deleted!!.

sure there was is room for raw meat but only as suport as a protien sours to be put in together with drij kibble.

last but not least

No way in hel can you EVER balanse a raw high bulk meat diet out where every chunk of feed is as balansed as every tiny little pellet of kibble containing the same below, witch HAS been sientific divelopt in order to have dogs perform at the best as there talend gives them. given to dog who race upto 100.000 usd.... diguesting is the same. as there are no diferend meats and other stuf from who we know need diferend times to diguest and be ubsorbt bij the dogs.. and this is only the BASSIS from where man can and need to customize the diet with the varius typs of suplemends in order to tailer made wat is best for the individual dogs.

I know creating and feeding your own raw diet gives you a warm and fuzy feeling. but you leave a part of your dog at home. when your out in the fields.. when it comes to fine tunning..

This is one of these feeds who is ecselend to start out with.

• Formulation: It is the first greyhound racing diet to combine the best Irish, UK and US nutrition expertise.
• State of the Art Manufacturing Process: Gain^® Record Breaker is produced in the top American dog food factory, which is rated world no.1 for consistent quality ingredients and manufacturing technology.

• Protein Source: Fresh Chicken (never frozen) is the main ingredient. Other high quality proteins such as fish, eggs, gluten meal ensure the correct amino acid balance is acheived.
• Maintenance of Lean Muscle Mass: L-Carnitine is included to help maintain lean muscle mass, by reducing the deposition of body fat.
• Creatine Free: Creatine where used, is best fed as a separate supplement, to provide total control over dosage rate and timing of administration.
• Optimum Energy Supply: An optimum energy supply is provided by the inclusion of brewers rice, maize, chicken fat and canola oil etc, which helps your dog maximise it's acceleration and stamina throughout the race.
• Gastrointestinal Health: The inclusion of brewers yeast, FOS and pulp helps promote a healthy digestive system. The exclusion of wheat and soya helps increase digestibility and reduces the risk of digestive upsets.
• Healthy Skin & Coat: Flaxseed, fish and canola oil are included to help maintain the correct Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio, which helps the skin, coat, brain and vision.
• Strong Immune System: High levels of Vitamin E and other antioxidants help to maintain a strong natural immunity.
• Chelated Minerals and Essential Vitamins: The inclusion of a balance of high quality chelated minerals and essential vitamins in Gain^® Record Breaker is critical for optimum health and performance.
• Skeletal Growth: The inclusion of TruCal (Glanbia's unique source of highly available natural milk calcium) helps maintain strong bones and teeth.
• Joint Mobility: Glucosamine and Chondrotin are included to help develop good joint mobility.
• Low Ash Level: The patented low-ash manufacturing process increases digestibility and helps eliminate kidney problems.
• Odour Control: Natural plant extracts are added to help control unpleasant dog odours.
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AAFCO Statement


Animal feeding tests using Association of American Feed Control Officials' procedures substantiate that Gain^® Record Breaker provides complete and balance nutrition for adult dogs.

Ingredients (Descending Order)


Chicken, Chicken Meal, brewers rice, whole grain ground corn (maize), chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and vitamin E), corn gluten meal, beet pulp, fish meal, natural chicken flavour, egg product, canola oil, rice flour, dried chicory root (FOS), flaxseed, dried brewers yeast, dicalcium phosphate, potassium chloride, salt, milk mineral complex (TruCal), choline chloride, glucosamine hydrochloride, vitamin E supplement, yucca schidigera, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulphate, zinc sulphate, copper sulphate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, chondrotin sulphate, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, L-Carnitine, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulphate, sodium selenite, pyroxidine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

 

Good post meat pickle, to get back on topic, i have always thought of the fast lane as people who are reconized by the faternity as real compition, people who do right by their dogs, people who will go into any camp but choose to focus on those who are known to the top elite of the dog game. Anyone can win locally but these people win no matter where they go and if your across from them you better have something. Fast lane to me is the top branch of the game...

 

AGK Tanks!!!!

 

A shame but very true.....................

 

Limey i will answer to your post later.

but i must smile when i read

its like "champions breakfast" as i told

 

Hhahahhaha al in good spirit and rivalty....

 

Meat pickle hit the nail on the head....

 

Well with all this talk of raw.... I don't feed raw.... I do give em some lightly seared beef liver once a week but... Here's the kicker.... I got two that won't eat no raw meat... And one that won't even eat cooked chicken lol!! I'd be open to trying raw bc as AGK stated... The pile of poo is different and although I love the little shits... I'm not the biggest fan of shoveling or raking shit.... So anyone have any suggestions on a COST EFFECTIVE raw diet.... I have 4 on my yard and I spend roughly $80 per month on kibble... Marksman 29/18.... So could I raw feed the right way on or around that budget?

 

Some-times it's boil's down to what/how/many ya keeping..basic commerce.in the 80's..early 90's...we used to feed head-meat..which ya would make a stew from for ur-self from..at the time my uncle kept and raced grey-hounds..as the no: Of dog's we had increased..he introduced me and friends to useing dry foods and the performance dry food's..then when foot+mouth etc;etc;hit,,it was harder to get offal meat etc;..so we stuck with the dry..would i say it was better..commerical;;yes..also the dogs seemed healthyer..ie:their craps were healthyer etc;;they were getting more from the dry..their performance seemed better ..coat's ;;;etc..it all depends on the quailty of the dry ya use....would i feed a dog raw now...i would as-well as the dry...do they look over-all better on dry,i think so...

 

Yea I think that dry is fine but like was said there is a difference in the dry foods and some are really shitty, some are really good.... I always experiment with diff feeds especially on new dogs.... Some of my dogs did good on diamond, some did good on sportmix, all of them did good on the marksman 29/18 so I'm Rollin wit that for now.... Now as far as a keep for show, I think everyone has there own system and I ain't gonna speak on mine but I don't know many if any that feed kibble during a keep..... All in all yea I see the pics of the raw fed dogs but frankly I think that most ppl just feed too much kibble!!!! They go by what the bag says and that always leads to a fat dog! Jmo tho hell I don't like kennels either, mine get fat in the kennel, chain spots they are a lot more active....

 

Ps:: I would go with jb..on the chicken carcase's..we supp;the dogs with chick;for a few days, when we get them,,they do be jumping out of there skins after em.....///?????

 

Looks fantastic Joe Black!!!

 

Thanks Sadie i do my best with them.

 

What exactly do you expect from a picture, limey? Did you know there's a difference between a dog that looks in shape, and one that has truly been conditioned for an event? There's a lot you can't see in a picture....vary's with the dog......but you should know that being in the game forever like you have been.

 

I have a question. Can someone who once competed in the fastlane and won with a very high rate of success drop from that level? And if so what could be the cause. For example a big losing streak or only competing localy.