Cesar Millan opens up about his love of pitbulls, Daddy, and newest puppy Junior

you should train your ogs but they were bred for one thing and one thing only if you breed for anything else than they are not bulldogs

 

oh no dont say that you might get attacked an your dog called a "cur" like mine was.

 

Bose what you just said has no substance whatsoever.
Your posts simply reek of years of knowledge.

so get of uncle cesars lap and give it up.

wtf would i need to have a pack of ten dogs for? certainly wouldnt be to prove a point to someone like you.

so whats your back ground bozo. i got my first bulldog when i was seven or eight years old and i have lived with and worked with up to seven hunting dogs at a time, from the age of twelve i would hunt with them on my own, i have had at least two dogs as companions or workers every single day of my life and im over thirty buddy.
the last ten years i have had up to two game bred dogs at a time and the only reason i havent had more is due to room.
i have hunted Kangaroos , foxes, wild dogs, deer, black buck and many other animals all using my dogs.

so what do you have to bring to the table?

 

i use my dogs strictly for hunting purposes too but why are my dogs being called "curs" just because they dont have insane levels of DA? i like three things in my dog 1. intelligence 2. strength & 3. game and thats what the APBT brings to the table, i dont think any less of them because they arent dog fighters.

 

and just so you can get your head around it bozo, i have been talking about cesars work with "pit bulls" and nothing else, re read my first post on this thread and you will maybee take it in this time.
i have not once questioned the man about his pack of dogs what i have questioned is the ability for him to have a gamedog, in a part of his pack. i dont think its possible. and anyone else who has posted that ACTUALLY owns a gamedog feels the same.
Maybee if you owned one you would understand?

if you want to make it easier for you i will spell it out buddy, i think AS I SAID IN MY FIRST POST that he def does some good things in relation to public perception to the "pitbull type" as a whole.
do i think he could have a true gamedog as a part of his pack.

you would like to see me with ten dogs?
i would like to see you go and get your hands on a real honest bulldog[if you can find someone who will be dumb enough to sell you one] keep it until its say Two years old and take it to see uncle cesy and chuck it in his pack and see how it goes.
send me a pm after and let me know what you are do with all the bodies when its done.
oh and take old mate a breaking stick too youl prolly need it

 

tony did i call your dogs curs?

 

when cesar talks about pitbulls he makes sure to always say how powerful and how full of energy they are n not everyone can handle a pitbull,n if you r going to own one do your research n b a responsible owner.so its not like he's going around telling poeple to let their pitbulls run aound unleashed in packs.can tell which of u dont watch his show.

 

I just wonder how the dogmen of the past ever managed to get along without Cesar to tell them everything.I've watched a very few minutes of his show.I saw a piece of an episode where he was going on about people in Mexico feeding APBTs gunpowder.After that,I concluded he's either a liar or idiot or both.I tried to watch his show a few more times and truthfully,it sucks.Pretty much a waste of my time is how I felt about his show.If some people like watching a feminine little guy walk around trying to play doggy pyschiatrist thats fine but it's not for everyone.I'm done with this,you people love Cesar so much,you can have him.Why not invite him to the forum so he can learn all us dummies here how to handle our dogs.Then maybe he can go on and cure cancer,bring world peace or whatever else he does when he's not with his "pack"
:rolleyes:

 

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it works an its non lethal. theres nothing wrong with that.

quote]Shock your dogs if you want to,I've always been a big believer in if it's your dog,it's your business.But,one thing I'd like to know,why is shocking a dog for 5-30 seconds easier than simply inserting a breaking stick in their mouth.

 

like i said i have never used or seen a breaking stick in action. to me using a breakstick sounds like it requires 2 people??? well a stun device only calls for one person an i can do multiple animals just buy touching them and the results are instant.

 

tony its obviously got out of hand and thats a shame but , you do seem to say you know about the american gamedog, dog aggresion in itself has nothing to do with whatsoever with da. there have been plenty of truly game dogs that outside of the[] were fine around other dogs.
but there are also plenty that are "fight crazy" too.
a game dog does not have to be da to not be able to be in a pack.
and trust me i know how a pack works i have more experience with pack related hunting dogs than many, and as you would know every now and then there is an issue with underdogs trying to re-ajust them selves in the pack order its just how nature works.
if you had one truly game bred dog in a pack situation when this happened the results would be a few less dogs, if you had more than one the end result would be catostrophic.
there is a very good reason why dogmen of the past didnt have their dogs running around their yard loose and thats because it just wont work.
its pretty straight up and down.
dogos are not apbt's.

and no offence but i wouldnt question the knowledge behind , woody, pistol, or ,gh32.
personally they are amongst the top ten people on this site that i would ask any real questions about these dogs before i would bother starting a thread here.
combined there is alot of years experience with these dogs with just those three.

the thread was about cesar and "pitbulls" and nothing more, as ive said i give him praise for what he has done , but i dont think any of the examples ive seen on his show give me any faith in what could be done with a true gamedog.
thats just my opinion.

and if there are so many people that feel that way[look at all the old cesar threads] that have experience with these dogs, that is in no way small minded or stopping the breed from moving on it is simply a reality.

 

tony do your research on breaking sticks buy one and you will realise its the easiest way to get one off hands down. if you know what your doing it will take you less than three seconds with a bit of practice.

 

Tony I never said that the Dogo is not a pack animal, just the opposite in fact they work best in packs.
Anytime you would like to come visit me here in Argentina with your dogs and do some boar hunting you are more than welcome as our guest. I guarantee you our wild boars here will help you cull your dogs real fast.
The only "oldtimers" I know down here that I would get a Dogo from are the Nores family,, maybe you heard of them? Dr. Nores created the breed.

As far as the American Gamedog goes, they are definately NOT pack animals anymore, that has been bred out of them by man. Also any threat behavior has been bred out of them too, the only reason those dogs in that Cesar video showed some signs is because they are scatterbred molosser mutts and not an original American Gamedog.

If you are asking if it's possible to keep two American Gamedogs together I can tell you that it is possible, I have and do keep 2 dogs together as our house pets. However it is not an easy task and you can be sure that accidents will be ocurring with them throughout their lives so you better be ready for some major electrocution therapy lol.

But advocating that the apbt is a pack animal and can be trained to live with other dogs is just plain ignorance in my opinion and a recipe for ending up in jail for dogfighting and having your dogs killed. The RESPONSIBLE thing to do would be to teach people that this breed is DIFFERENT from all other breeds due to the way they were bred and selected for during hundreds of years to breed out those "pack animal" instincts from them. The responsible thing to do for the breed would be to teach people to NEVER allow their dog near another one and to always have it restrained and controlled.

Tony if you want to really understand what I am saying just do some research into the amount of attacks on people by apbt's pre 1976 before the humane society started publicizing them as great pets and they were mostly all in the hands of dogmen, and compare that to the amount of attacks on people today when people like you advocate "training" them to behave in a pack situation that goes against every instinct they have in their body.

I understand that you are trying to do what's "good" for the breed and care for their public image. Unfortunately all you and people like Cesar are doing is laying down a bunch of time bombs in people's houses that will certainly go off sooner or later.

The apbt is not a pack animal, nor should it even have a public image. Eyes that don't see, heart that won't feel.

And just so you can see I am not not lying I leave you with a pic of our two house pets along with my personal opinion that if people want to avoid any trouble in their lives and keep their dogs alive they should not attempt to do this at home lol.

 

thank you button^^^

 

Gringopistolero hit the nail on the head with that one.Big thank you button^^^Why can't Cesar give advice like that,LOL

 

Agreed....one should not negate the other.

 

Food for thought gh, the dogmen of the past are NO MORE, and the few that are left are being systematically destroyed....I get sick thinking of all the priceless foundation dogs that were stamped out with FB. If you cannot see this then perhaps natural selection is doing it's job. You can be as sarcastic and disrespectful as you wish, but you are a dying breed....I just hope you don't take the dogs you claim to love so much down with you.....you cannot stop change, you can grow with it or be removed by it.

Had dogmen gone by learned a few CM tricks, they could have been percieved by those that destroyed most of them as non threatening, and lived to compete another day, the wiser part of valour.

I have no doubts you can handle your dogs, I say the way you do will be your undoing, because no matter how proven your methods are, how steadfast you claim to be, you will be seen as a danger....even if you are not. Your mind is closed, your change has stopped but time marches forward. I can say with 100% confidence because of what I do for a living, there is NO PLACE you can hide....if you become interesting you can be found in a heart beat. Too bad you refuse to learn how to stay hidden in plain sight.....the key to your way of thinking is staying "under the radar".....how better to do this then walk around with a game dog stuck to your side in a tight heel, while someone elses ankle biter goes ballistic.....

My girl turned on at 18 months, but when we walk around the neighborhood all folks see is a class act, well trained dog......

So I agree to disagree with you...I respect your way of thinking and I wish the best for you. I only say your way is not the only way, there are alternatives, I suppose that is why the good Lord made Baskin Robbins with 31 flavors.....

And yes the APBT is most definately a pack animal...all domesticated dogs are....APBTs prefer humans to dogs in their pack structure

 

I agree that what was done to FB was a terrible thing,I too can see what is going on with the HSUS witchunt.I'm not blind,nor stupid,I can see it.I don't appreciate being called a dying breed,for the simple fact I participate in nothing illegal.I simply don't condone letting a DA breed run loose.If Cesar wants to,fine but he shouldn't promote the idea.I try and obey all laws,except maybe the speed limit.Calling me that on a forum such as this I feel is trying to cast me in a negative image. The way I handle my dogs are in no way going to be my undoing,as mentioned before,I don't participate in illegal activities.Having a game bred,DA dog on a good chain setup(where he can't hurt himself or another dog) is in no way detrimental to the breed.I like my dogs,I'm their friend and they're mine.I don't consider the world needs to see my dogs(or anyone's for that matter)I got them because I like them,not for anyone else.I'm most definetly not seen as a danger.You're also right,time keeps marching forward,unfortunatly.This world was a better place several years ago IMHO.Not just with the dogs but with the human race.You say"with what you do for a living" there's no place I can hide.For one,what do you do? Second,I have no reason to hide,just own some happy dogs,on proper CHAINS not left to their own devices to have a major yard accident.I just think Cesar is a quack is all.But if you like him,more power to you.As far as being disrespectful,I wasn't.Unless just disagreeing with you about Cesar's practices is disrespectful,but I could turn that around,maybe it's just everyone else is disrespectful if they don't agree with me,LOL I do agree with your last statement that APBTs prefer humans to dogs,so why try and force them to co exist with other dogs in a pack.What's wrong with a chain?

 

Anyway,I don't believe anyone is changing anybody else's mind here,so what's the point.Some of you think he practically walks on water,some of us don't.We'll see who has the yard accidents.