why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

Wow you guys said a mouth full and i like it !!!

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

yes Damon form always follows function, manny working breeds have been complkeatly bred to pieces when they chozen confermation above work.
In the greyhound world there are 2 camps the ones that work and race there dogs in the sprint long distannce(stayers) and the dogs used in coursing (chasing the hare in pairs)

the other camp are the show people who acuse the working class dogman as barbaric due to the fackt that greyhounds are selected out and ore uthenized when not up to par (same as in nature).
yet these same showpeople breed dogs that should not be alouwd to be bred . many of these show dogs break there legs and rip there muscles when they make a spring when they are loose.
There bodies can not fallow there minds anymore!!!
they are mutch more fragile, kinda like a hollow shell, they DO look like a greyhound from the outside but there is where the compersing stops.

same can be said about the am staff and the SBT both dogs ore BREEDS have been bred away from the origenal dogs and they lost there funktion due to rediculess rulles in there confermation standarts implied bij people who have NO cleu what thease breeds where about. and not being alouwed to work!!
when you breed any kind of working breed the funktion should determin the confermation.
the evolution proses of dogs that are on top of there breed and who are sucsesfull wil detirmin the confermation .
sure we also have a confermation standars like the ADBA. and its perfect in the sense that it ALOUWS diferend typs and colorations WITHIN the standard. also diferend famelies of dogs with diferend abiletys wil SHOW diferend looks and confermation, aczample, a pure strain of bolio tombstone dogs tent to be more rangey narow light footed build for speed to fly like a butterfly and sting like a bee. floating on the head and ears dansing around!!. more terrier type influenses.

a heavy boudraux bullyson eli bred dog shows more rugged frame more bone solid on the ground heavyer muscle. the type that roots for a chest or stifel. they al fit in the standard, yet are alouwed there own identety. this is where the single regestrated AM staff and the SBT whent compleaty south of the border, on all levels!!!!!!! and to me are ore have become compleatly useless to be able to perform as a breed..

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

Do you believe other breeds have found their way into the pitbulls makeup since it arrived in the states?

 

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@ Damon. I believe there has been crosses in the sbt ever since recognized by KC. Good question you posted there.

 

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I was talking about the apbt matey

 

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there have been rumours of crosses with boston terriers and them kind eurly 1900 in the usa .
coverd in the book of george armitige 30 years with the fighting dogs.
where these dogs where discribed.
heard ore read reports where crosses with sheperds and labradors where sold as pure dogs and showed desend ecetera but never seen it ore ore any proof of it.

i do know of wel known usa dogman at the time who had a bitch acsidentual being bred to a sheperd and sold the pups as pure pitbulls!!!.
ofcours people where not amused when these dogs got bigger!!.
. But dogs like that would be of any quality themselfs sould be considerd as freak of natures , as they were ore are not able to reproduce themselfs .. so i dont think there wil traces left of those type of crosses today in the core of the game .... and there ofspring would be curs..
another known Fact umongst some insiders in the SBT show scene is that resendly in the last 15 years frensh bulldogs have been crossed into the SBT.
to get a overnight shorter muzle more round head and even smaller size. But it brought along PATELA in lots of SBT, and in some dogs ofspring crooked tails.. ... the size reduced iven more. i belive today they try to save the breed and bring back more leg hight and hopfully for them longer back,s and loins. nevertheless that breed hase been lost and waisted..

 

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I'm sure you've seen pitbulls with the piggy eyes that look like bull terriers, can someone post some pics on these types, I'm useless with computers.

 

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I knew you were, because the SBT was mentioned in the subject, i gave opinion on why i believe they're even further apart from the APBT. Limey is right on the pugs and such being bred into the SBT.
The question is good meaning the APBT side of view. Cheers.

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

can anyone post a ped of a stafford with "pug" blood in it ? or any other cross for that matter.. curious that"s all........

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

I don't think think pedigree dog breeders would record it if they did

 

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I think you won´t ever find such in an official pedigree!
As cross breeding is forbidden except the kennel club is granting it!

This has happened twice within the Miniature Bullterrier for a short period of time, as they wanted to fight Primary Lens Luxation or PLL within the Miniature Bullterrier (but it didn´t work out!) before the OFA invented the genetic tests that existing today!

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

They do look the same...

...c'mon no need to rain on the UK parade,they were preserved in America for which we are all thankful today...(the GOTTI line is far from perfect...:p)...good food for thought Limey.

 

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altho this topic has runn its cours my whife found this one . Its a very old postcard i have in perfect shape and in plastic cuver .
read the texst and convinse yourself that the bulldogs of yesterday where fought as wel!!!

 

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oops ttttttttttt

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

finaly

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

that is a copy of an oil painting by t, clayton 1843 ;-)

 

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What I find funny is everyone is so quick to point out this & that has been bred into the staffy,which I may not disagree with.The funny part is how no one will admit that people in the past and present have possibly hung papers on the apbt and infused other blood as well .Just like someone said they would never admit adding pug,well Iam going to have to say same probaly applies with the apbt as well .just food for thought.

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

arcording to the postcard its a Etching plate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etching so its not a copy of the ore A painting, it hase been used to print lots of copies of the plate....
nevertheless it sais that the bulldog was used as a fighting dog as wel...

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

the old plott hound and some other hound are assumed to had given the apbt a bit of size i believe to have read it somewhere, something many were after in america. i think so. many other old breeds have been imported and preserved in the states but havent changed drastically in size and appeareance like the different strains of apbt

 

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

you might have the plott hound thing the wrong way it was the apbt that was add to the plott to add more grit .but them again i may be wrong :-)
and the apbt that I HAVE HAD over the years i dont see any change in the breed past and present this is a good thread:-)