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bullyson bloodline

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by surfercalavera, Aug 28, 2006.

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  1. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    maurice talked bullyson up a montain .......
    man from al over the country(inclu canada) where coming bully vs benny bob
    bully quit maurice walked away ....maloney did try to let him scratch .....
    bring him to the middle of the box
    next day maurice talked bennie bob up moutain
     
  2. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    in the first place maurice did not know ..it was benny bob in the other corner ....
    suprised a bit
     
  3. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Mayfield wrote about Tadpole in his book... who quit next show...
     
  4. therealjudge

    therealjudge CH Dog

    honeybunch quit too so what is the point?? Don Mayfield and I got along great and I have no reason to be disrespectful to him, but the fact is he wanted credit. Plain and simple, and I don't doubt the story on the eli x crybaby litter. Jeeps litter full of champions all quit and he showed BAD signs against homer and had he allowed jeep to jump the box like he tried to several times we would hear a lot less about him these days. The truth is out there like Mayfield used to say, you just have to seek it.
     
  5. L.K

    L.K Pup

    FWIW. Had the Catchdog man over for a couple of days. and askt him about it.
    When old bullyson was lifted out and put aside . he askt Maurice carver can i chek him out. Maurice carver said He,s dead.
    The catch dogman put his hand on his chest and fell a slow harth beat . he opend Bullysons mouth and while he was on his way out this metalic mercury smell came from his mouth.
    the catch dogman was pretty sure he was rubbed with nicotine sulfate.
    He also said that iven if they haddend rubt Old bullyson . He would have not been able to beat his son. He also told me that, there has been no dog that made sutch a impackt sins Dibo on the game and the breed but Bullyson. And that Bullyson in contrary to wat alot of people think. Produced a very high nr of deep iven deadgame dogs...
    Keystone your a Fuc,,ing indiot and a bad side kick to Don Mayfield in trying to change pedigrees. thats al you do, your a looser and a wannabee.
    Mayfield and i dont care if he is dead, was in contrary what people belive to be hounest. was aliar as wel. and put in a mental institution for 1 ore 2 years!!. yes that right. and thats where are the BS started...
     
  6. Laced Wit Game

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  8. Boze

    Boze Top Dog

    honey bunch never quit where do you ppl get this garbage
     
  9. Rain

    Rain Pup

    Ok I would like to point out the following I see a lot of people having a go at don saying he needed to steal credit somehow.

    Why on earth would don mayfield need to steal credit from hammonds ? Hammonds is a rank peddler who bought curs off people and bred said curs into his own line.He also bought litters and sold them for more money and changed their pedigrees.
    The man had one or 2 matches in his life and is giving talks on conditioning and breeding the guy is a complete joke.

    Now we all know lk is so far up mr hammonds ass that he can't even see the truth.
    Big d You say don tried to steal credit my question to you is why would he need credit from someone such as hammonds ?.

    Also I find You to be a complete hypocrite You say he tried to steal credit But Yet You Yourself have been stealing credit from the original members of limey kennels for all these years.
    Last time I checked in the dictionary Limey was an insult to a British person.
    Now You can call other people wannabees But all You want to be is English hence You referring to Yourself as limey.
    You are also one to talk about Yourself in a high regard in terms of breeding But You proved to have a very low understanding of breeding as You had to cut corners to get rid of all the defects in Your dogs by out crossing them.
    If You had this gift of breeding You mentioned a few years ago in which You claimed it was a gift only a few people were born with You would of been able to rid your dogs of problems without needing to out cross.
    You also act like no one else has good dogs there is many great dogs all over the world
    You sure are one to take credit for other peoples work Yourself I have even seen You take credit for conditioning when in fact You had someone else condition those dogs for You.
    You at one point tried to imply You were a better conditioner than don himself How are you going to condition dogs when You can't condition Yourself.
    On to ricky You speak on those old mayfield dogs with some sort of authority and You seem to act like You know everything wasn't Your best dog ever a mayfield cross by Your own admission?.And there has been good ones just because You don't hear about something does not mean it hasn't happened.You say You saw some below par ones with rod k well I can believe that as he didn't seem to care about quality so much only money.
    Another thing I also found funny You tried to call the colby bloodline a pure family when they are anything but luckily who corrected You on this.
    It's funny how dogs went missing right after You visited rod though wonder what happened to them lol.

    And as for keystone damm You need to learn to speak English if You had talked out of Your ass It would be easier to understand People on this forum are not mind readers Please read what You type first at least I can understand big d's dyslexic bs
    You do speak some truth about pedigrees and stuff but You come across as a crackhead in how You type lol.Use a translator at least Broken English would be easier to understand

    And this post should not be taking as hate merely stating facts that some of our european friends here forget to mention.

    Also Honeybunch is not out of bullyson carver sold lots of dogs as being out of bullyson that were not even from the same family let alone the same dog.

    I am in no way trying to start an argument here only stating a few truths.
     
  10. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    "Also, Honeybunch is not out of (should be off or by) Bullyson. Carver sold lots of dogs as being off Bullyson that were not even from the same family, let alone the same dog."
    ^^^^^^^FINALLY!!!! Someone addresses this truth. Say it again, Rain......and again, and again, and.........
     
  11. magnoilaotis

    magnoilaotis Top Dog

    You can say it a million times. You can provide proof, but people still won't believe it. Try telling someone chinaman doesn't have Bullyson in his true pedigree and you will get laughed out of town. Tell them Satch isn't sired by Ironhead and get called a nut. The list of Carver dogs not bred as papered goes on and on, yet people still hold to their faith in papers and the "great producer" Bullyson. Some of these facts came out when Carver was still around and he never disputed it. It is all ancient history now, but fact none the less. And no I don't believe every good dog from that era traces back to Mayfield.
     
  12. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Mag, so true. Funny how people would rather lean on lies, fraud, and just plain flim-flam, than have their bubbles bursted by the truth.
    I, for one have heard the words directly out of Maurice's mouth. Heard him state it to many, as I stood near at this or that event. I have spoken for hours with David Koehler (pronounced Kaylor), as he was Carver's neighbor, was in on much of what Maurice did (pulled), and was directly privy to many of the falsifications.
    The examples you gave are absolutely correct. I have spoken with E. Crenshaw, and he wasn't shy about divulging the truth as to many of the paper swaps. But then, neither was Maurice. He didn't give 2 shits if you knew. He would tell you, or others, and just belly laugh. Believe me, it was all just fun and games to him...............freaking with so many for the sake of gamesmanship and the fun he got out of keeping people believing what he manipulated them to believe. Just a game.
    Your saying that the dogs are so far back that it matters little. How I agree with you. It renders their being brought up for any "serious" discussion as to their meaning a tad moot. But, as you say, there's still nothing wrong with stating what is actually true, as if bringing them up isn't moot enough, to bring them up and share the misleading breedings with all, as if they are truth, is even MORE moot. it is counter productive as well, to say the least and to point out what is obvious.
    It takes but one psychiatrist to change a light bulb. But that light bulb really has to WANT to change.
     
  13. rebeard

    rebeard Big Dog

    its a pity you always have to shit talk mayfield limey so you are a hammonds fan an you have hammonds blood an you think he is a king ,the "most honest gentlemen" ,,but why shit talk mayfeild and call him a liar??because mayfeild said certain things about hammonds and bullyson? ,,limey bullyson quit in front of 500 people not just mayfeild he quit end of, get over it, dont repeat lame exuses for the dog that carver told the ingnorant to sell em dogs if you like the blood great go for it ,maurice carver was the man promoting bullyson including to your king "most honest genteleman" you are just retelling what he was told by carver its old news ,again no need to shit talk mayfeild neither you or "most honest gentlemen" called him a lier face to face so you both let yourselves down now hes dead,,when "most honest gentlemen" visited you did you ask him about the uncle bud dog that figures in your pedigrees? i would like to know why your king bred him after being told hed quit this was told to me by mayfeild and another present when the dog quit who is still alve and well known please let us learn the science behind it , as i understand it your saying your king says that cur dogs that quit ie bullyson and uncle bud are good breeding? i think youve lost your mind ,every body knows carver hung pedigree he said so hiself so to think all the dogs he sold as out of bulyson were really out of him is ridiculas and extremly gullable , i think the question s for me regarding those dogs is why mr hammonds would bred to a dog that quit in bullyson and rate the blood on par with dibo i can only conclude that mr hammonds was very easy prey for mr carvers charisma im not sure to many of the 500 people at pitside woulda gone for it lol as for the uncle bud dog i can only think he bred from the dog knowing hed quit because he valued the blood and was desperate to get a litter to sell but none of that makes mayfeild a lier, the truth is limey you nor mr hammonds or don mayeild or anyone else have any idea what dogs mr carver sold papred out of bullyson so to say the dog is on par with dibo again is like some stoopid sales spiel lol i thought you experts would of known that , seems to me your king grabbed what he could an started breeding and selling an continued to do so until this day i belive hes bred dogs just to sell for at least 30 years there a name for that and throwing in, that breeding off dogs that quit in front of witness as top breeding sorry just its too much,think that full moon got you, ok you like him great hope they all work out for you but please ,, dont try an tell us day is night lol
    ps
    bulyson really was an overhyped scam to make money by carver look into the facts not the peddler stories,he had far better bred ch dogs that didnt quit carver told openly he hung pedigrees he was the kind of person that could sell snow to eskimos as tdk pointed out he didnt care about taking newbies an sukers for a ride at all; its also known he had some of the best blood in the world and he bred many great dogs but very few people know how theyre bred its just the way it is as was carvers wish ,if you have carver/bullyson blood its somthing you just to have to accept, if the dogs are consistantly good i doubt youd care to much either way as it has nothing to do with those that promote the bullyson dog for sales , i dont think its unreasonable to think the great dogs that came from carver were bred off the great blood he had watever the pedigree shows dogs like carvers ch snow cracker dee miss spike black widow trahans rascal the wiliams blood the kennedy blood boomerang bolio butcher boy the list goes on but to carry on the hype over bullyson that carver created, hammonds went for, an now limey repeats, is a bit silly to me when its a known fact the dog quit an that there were far beter dogs around to breed from maybe im missing somthing but what exactly made bullyson a good dog compared to others of his day both in pedigree and performance ? because i know that carver hyped him from day one an sold loads of dogs as out of him to people like hammonds but other than that what was good about him or his family im baffled?
     
  14. L.K

    L.K Pup

    Rain your full of yourself you keep repeating rooky fed sour grape nolige bij people who dont know the facts com up with something new!! like Limey is realy a woman that had a sex change.Ore he is Gay and screws around with his dogs. That should get more atention for ya.... Red Beard. Funny please tell me where your currend dogs come from??. and wich blood they cary.. I asume you forgot. reminder>> Bred bij Me<<<. heavy Hammonds rufus/ Unckle bud/Bullyson/. who showed you the best dog you ever seen!. you talk, judge about Hammonds as if you KNOW him ore Don Mayfield .Yet besides 4000 miles of ocean between you thats as close as you have been to both of them.And beside 2 trips cross the pond to mainland europe you have been >>>nowear!<<<. You think your chit chat with mayfield over the PC makes you know and understand him. (you guys found yourselfs conected tru that shit you have been smoking wich was the rezen he got into the Mental institution bing triggerd bij the death of a frind http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-205447/Cannabis-causes-mental-illness.html ). And compleatly belive what he fed you about Hammonds and Boudraux and others.
    And you are acusing ME of repeating stuf that was fed to Hammonds on to me Very funny indeed... looking at your post it looks like you just digt up one of Mayfields letters!!!!!!!!!!!.. ore copied one of his speaches from his Tapes.
    For the record There is no breeder around today who bred more ch grch rom dogs then Hammonds did, call him a peddler if you see fit . they did the same with Colby.......... and we all know how he whent douwn in the history books..
    Where wil Old Don Mayfield end up in the history books!!!.. besides a good handler and conditioner .let me spell it out for you "" NOWHERE"". His own profesy where he states that Maurice carver would fade out of history has ore wil fall onto himself.. Bij the way chek the black temple of that 10 year black shine main stud dog you have who i bred. Its Black it comes tru that overhypt up BULLYSON blood. At least that overhypt up bullyson blood has gone out to play . We cant say that bij the over hypt up Mayfields purest of the pure Nigger Bloodline do we!....
    And for the Record (some oldtimer involved wil confirm this). The smarter up close dogman back then got there Carver dogs tru PAT Carver. Hammonds only brought 3 carver dogs TRU HER!!!!!!!. Side steping the Silver Fox....As she was hounest to deal with Oops!!. Carver knew fully wel not to fool and screw around Texas dogman close to him . most dogs with Dubious peds where send out of state, gues when you live that up close to the silver fox back then you have more insight...
    There is so mutch stuff un told that would snap you out of your one sighted Mayfield zone. if you would only have the GUTS to spend some time with other people from around then who wil tell you that Don Mayfield besides a good conditioner handler was a piece of shit to be around with.. first there will be dinile then your eyes would open up Then that carthouse you live in would fall apart..
    last but not least the way you talk about Bullyson quit, is the same way how people talk about MAYFIELDS Ni.ger Quiting.
    could can not belive it myself mabey im in dynial. .But G.H told me he did worced yet he told me Alligators Mother Williams satin lady was stone cold!!Bet you did not know ore knew that as wel. .
    So here you go, the best dogs you ever seen and owend are mainly foundation bred off of 2 curs namely Ni.ger and Bullyson and a stone cold carver bred bitch named Satin Lady!! who acording to some of the mayfield clan also has a fake pedigree...If Hammonds was like Mayfield said a Liar . Why would he Tell everybody that asks That Nigger Quit and That Satin lady was stone cold????. And don mayfield did not!.
    G.H never dinied Bullyson didnt Quit thats what you make of it!!. .
    He only said what his toughts where when he died and smelled wat he did!!.. And besieds Mayfield and his side kick Falowers i havend seen ore KNOW ANYBODY SERIUS INVOLVED who claimed Hammonds was a Liar. Far From it the Oposit is true.ps Please tell us where your base nolige and your exspeariense from. besides spending years on the PC with Don Mayfield. a man with sutch intelegense like you clearly has been tru it all...
     
  15. Rain

    Rain Pup

    First off You are still an ignorant moron who talks about being fed sour grapes lol maybe You should take a look at Your hero gary and all the lies he told You.

    Comparing nigger to bullyson is a joke bullyson quit infront of a whole load of people the only people who said nigger quit was don maloney because there was a falling out others then repeated it ask danny burton if nigger ever quit he will tell You the truth and he said nigger was a very game dog.

    Your problem is that Your ego won't let You see the truth You try to preach to people here and prey on beginners You act like no one else has good dogs. Why do You steal credit from the original members of limey kennels?
    The sad thing is a lot of people still don't realize what a complete joke You are lol.

    You talk about understanding breeding but yet You fucked up those dogs in a couple of generations and they were full of defects hence why you started crossing them
     
  16. L.K

    L.K Pup

    Let me tell you WHY. CH Spike was alredy a champion. before Don mayfield came up with the story . The rezen was al the imported bloodlines from the USA did there job very wel. with the ecseption of his cur blood being send over.
    To save face he came up with the story and send it to the Goos Brothers aka Bross kennels who had a magazine at the time.
    The story was so redicules that it was not printed. Funny how al Spike dogs AND Spike himself where Black While al the Mayfield stuf came in red yellow and with yellow/ chokolate noses. looking NO WEAR NEAR the spike dog nor his direc ofspring. 2 breedings where made with the Mayfield blood. one with a son of ch Spike called Deville http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=152151 her ofspring http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=153939 the best one from that breeding was Sandry. afther that cross they when straight back in the mayfield blood and lost it all.
    For the necst 20years they kept on trying to breed to our stuf . They whent as far as taking on a peurposly stolen dog from us to breed of wich failed. Then it was disieded to give a beeding of another one of our males. the outcome the same the intyer mayfield blood was updorbt and produced black Spike dogs... so again your coming with crap info Rain. info fed bij others. You dindt live tru that time nor where you involved.. Spike was a 25% Bullyson eli jr bred dog nothing more nothing less.
     
  17. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    First of all Rain, not only Don Maloney seen Nigger quit! Randy Fox seen him quit also, aswell Randy is still alive and well and would tell you if you ask him!

    As for Bullyson, well was it really a quit or did he just collapse in shock unable to go as Bobby stated?

    Rumors alos have been made out of Jeep that he tried to jump the wall more than once etc......

    My question is always who has an interest in making up these stories? As many people that have seen him with their own eyes (Jeep) stated he never tried to jump or acted bad and these people ainĀ“t involved in Jeep dogs at all!

    So about these minor Bullyson dogs..... well Matt Mc Gee did well with his Zebo / Bullyson dogs, over here in europe many people still do good with what Limey produced and the dogs came from the dogs Garry sent.
     
  18. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    And for Don well he telling Floyd is a dog thief and so on....... well where is his proof to that?
    On the other hand if Eli really was out of his Cry Baby why does he talk down these dogs?

    Where is the proof of a worthy Mayfield bred dog? And yes Bullyson was a hot comodity back in the days and why not? There are still good Bullyson dogs out there and he aswell as Eli Jr. and Benny Bob etc. left their footprint in the game.

    Also it is said that Rufus has been a cold dog...... so what does it bother me..... records are speaking for themselves and facts are facts within the Mayfield camp, well there are no records just shady talking and wishfull thinking but again no proof at all. Concerning the fact that the SDJ is gone long time now and times are hard and it would be good not to be all to public what about countries that can afford to put out records?

    For example Russia, the Balkans etc. they all have been and are very open and do report and keep records also there you can find every bloodline existing but again no Mayfield dogs!
     
  19. redwar

    redwar Big Dog

    Seems people talk down others stock to somehow pump up there own stuff, which usually is not as good as what they talk down, seems a lame sales ploy, and every line has its detractors and story tellers both pro and con..My question when it comes to the so called "legend" "in his own mind" no-one ever brings up the match where he used the 'Easy" dog and went into Irish J, and MPHred, DM used a rub, which put a loss on the record of a great bitch, and he laughed about getting over on the "Yankee", the record still stands as a loss for Pool hall red it was never changed even after he admitted the cheat?? This is in print, I had heard it and then read it in a magazine..I know the game has no Saints but a man who cheats to win in this classless manner against top competition...well enough said.
     
  20. Rain

    Rain Pup

    Actually there were lots of black mayfield dogs just like spike so again this is bullshit dons dogs were black chocolate red and white he bred around sunshine and ended up with mostly choc dogs as swamper was used a lot and he was a chocolate dog sunshine also.

    King tut was black his brother was red and sister white. Those dogs came in all colors.


    As for dog in hold funny how You always come out to try and defend big d lol. Don maloney was a liar why don't You ask a real dogman like danny burton the story. He actually wrote about it.Randy fox has changed his story a number of times and has proved to be completely full of shit and is the closest thing to a rat You will find.Here is what danny burton said about nigger >>>

    I really can't remember how long the roll took but it was real vicious and NIGGER was busted up pretty good in his chest. It probably lasted something like 15 minutes or so. Earl always told me that each time you put a scar on a dog you take so much out of him and he could spot a good dog real quick. Earl never rolled a dog very long so this was good enough for him. NIGGER NEVER quit! I was so excited at the time and I can't even remember what type of fighting dog he was but TIGER DAN was on top most of the time as he was a more talented dog. But NIGGER did never, ever quit!

    Where do you believe the rumor started?

    I believe Don Maloney spread the rumor because he was a jealous man and couldn't accept the fact that Earl took a liking to me, and of course, I had TIGER DAN which was a son of NIGGER. Don Maloney was a friend of mine and a good dogman, but he could never accept that somebody else would have dogs as good as his. I personally don't even breed dogs to sell and you will never see me run an ad in the mags trying to sell pups or whatever but the truth is that NIGGER never quit! NIGGER was a producing dog, and the best fighting dog that ever lived was his grandson on both sides of the pedigree. This was the PIT GENERAL dog. He was by far the best and most devastating bulldog I've ever seen in my lifetime.

    I would take his word any day over that of a rat like randy fox who like I said changed his story several times.
     
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