Vili Bloodline from Croatia

**misterdogman** · #1 06-18-2005, 09:56 PM

I know there is only 4 pups in the USA minus the 4 adults and 3 pups I have that I got from the original breeder and the only man to have them bred as tightly as I do in the world. I was wondering if anyone has done any research concerning the line besides me? I have had some "experianced" dog people tell me you can get Black Magic dogs any where and since he was VILIs dad this would make sense. But in comparison to this line the VILI line has outclassed everything coming off his own fathers line in leagues not just mere circumstances. I have also been told this line is not special since it came off our stuff anyway, which is true, it basically is Bolio, Tombstone, Heinzl but when I went to Croatia to get my dogs I was blown away at the strict breeding and "proving" guidelines they use to continue a line...I have to admit I never met a dogman or breeder for that matter that was so committed in the USA to preserving the basics like what was it again..GAMENESS, oh yeah thats what it was, not anything else, these Croatians were allowed to do anything they wanted until about a month ago when they became a member of Europe and took on their laws, to NOT clarify we have not been allowed to do what we please for years which to me makes a difference in a breeding program. Anyhow I was just wondering if anyone else has heard of this line or researched the Balkan dog game to see if these dogs are what I have seen with my own eyes? I am planning breedings in the future in a professional way and would like to start a discussion about them if anyone is interested

chainsoff · #2 06-18-2005, 11:04 PM

What's up Mister, it's been awhile. I got a new #, not sure if you have this one, I'll give you a call. For those who don't know, the Vili dogs he speaks of are amazing. I too have seen with my own eyes, the capabilities of these dogs. The originator's effort is nothing less than 100% in producing the total package.

#3 06-18-2005, 11:25 PM

Some people cull and some people don't! Testing dogs here or over there is just the same except if you get caught here you go to jail. Dont sell our dogs short because of the laws. Get the job done set back and drink a beer! If you go to the RES they do it in the road. Drink beer that is...

chainsoff · #4 06-19-2005, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by bgfukennels

Some people cull and some people don't! Testing dogs here or over there is just the same except if you get caught here you go to jail. Dont sell our dogs short because of the laws. Get the job done set back and drink a beer! If you go to the RES they do it in the road. Drink beer that is...

It's not only the testing, and we aren't trying to seel our dogs short. I'm pleased with what I have of American dogs. But from what I've seen of the Vili dogs, they seem to be a step above.

B-I-Z · #5 06-19-2005, 12:25 AM

I'd like to hear more about these dogs

im half croatian my grandfather came to the U.S. when I was little, I've got a croatian dog he bred,he's a big ass but mannnn hes a damn bulldog

PADogman · #6 06-19-2005, 12:43 AM

you got a ped on them dogs.Would like to see how they are bred.

searkkennels · #7 06-19-2005, 01:11 AM

one step above ours huh yeah right. i see that zinetti guy has dogs from the USA. So i don't even want to hear That BS. The USA has the best dogs and comp anywhere in the world. thats a fact. I am sure he has some good dogs, never seen them so i can't say for sure. But the comp people go into isn't the sam over seas as it is here. If it was why do so many people from other countries import them to their own country?

**misterdogman** · #8 06-19-2005, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by searkkennels

one step above ours huh yeah right. i see that zinetti guy has dogs from the USA. So i don't even want to hear That BS. The USA has the best dogs and comp anywhere in the world. thats a fact. I am sure he has some good dogs, never seen them so i can't say for sure. But the comp people go into isn't the sam over seas as it is here. If it was why do so many people from other countries import them to their own country?

yeah it has been tested more than once. Our USA ones and Croatian ones. I believe it was yankee who put the Croatians up one to begin with and frisco jr ended up being a cur after being with Mr. Garner. Zinetti himself proved that when he got them and it didn't stop there it seemed to prove to be that way with all american lines sent over there. I would have to look at the book that Im helping him write to double check but I guess you could just ask Mr.Garner himself about how many dogs he sent over there to make up for the ones he previously guaranteed. Or, if possible you could have asked Mr. Romero about the difficulty he had with his comp over seas with Croatians. But, it don't matter because your right it is not the same when you comp over seas it is a totally different world and until you have seen it then I guess you wouldn't know. So I guess to begin with dogs were sent there from here because there were none, now you would have to agree that their lines are no longer american and just saying that they're a step ahead of us wouldn't be selling our dogs short it would just be giving them less credit than they deserve. I'd say two steps in my humble opinion. Just based off of what I saw there with my own eyes and what I see now since I brought some back.

**misterdogman** · #9 06-19-2005, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by chainsoff

What's up Mister, it's been awhile. I got a new #, not sure if you have this one, I'll give you a call. For those who don't know, the Vili dogs he speaks of are amazing. I too have seen with my own eyes, the capabilities of these dogs. The originator's effort is nothing less than 100% in producing the total package.

whats up chainsoff, thanks for the call and the update on your info. I was wondering where you been and was hoping you were well. Ok we will talk dogs later when we have more time.

searkkennels · #10 06-19-2005, 02:22 AM

i haven't seen any villi dogs in the fastlane!! If they are so bad every body would have them. As far as mr. garners dogs. i wouldn't own one. JMO. not trying to start anything. I wouldn't say they are ahead of us at all. I will say it again once and for all. the best dogs are in the USA. I can say this because i have seen some of the best.

**misterdogman** · #11 06-19-2005, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by searkkennels

i haven't seen any villi dogs in the fastlane!! If they are so bad every body would have them. As far as mr. garners dogs. i wouldn't own one. JMO. not trying to start anything. I wouldn't say they are ahead of us at all. I will say it again once and for all. the best dogs are in the USA. I can say this because i have seen some of the best.

I know your not trying to start anything this is a place for us to talk and voice opinions and you obviously have your own. I wish one day I'm happy enough with what I have seen or run to be so dead set on what I believe to be fact. But, being what I am, I have never been so happy with the results I have had with any bloodline, because there is always and will always be a better one than the last one. So I guess I will never attain the ability to believe any one place has the best dogs or comp, because I never stop trying to find a better harder place to prove it. I am just the type of person that waits to see it first before I judge it. I have seen ours and theirs in person and base what I say off that, not just what I saw here in my career with a blind wave to what you haven't seen there in person. Besides it's not like anyone would bash their own dogs or bloodline anyway, have you ever heard anyone say an ill word about their own stuff or admit to some things they would change if they could? No.? As far as everyone with as much as a Champion is concerned these days they have the best dogs in the world, these are the types who are to slow for the fastlane anyway. As far as Mr Garners dogs I wouldn't own any either but thats off what we have seen here in the USA right? So how can your opinion be fact if you have only seen American lines? Also, nobody has them here because they never heard of them or went to the trouble to research foreign lines because they were happy settling for a domestic one after being convinced the best were here already, Chainsoff is the only guy I know who even went to the trouble to get a video to see for himself, and besides mine theres only 3 or 4 pups here in the states and I have the only 4 adults here because of the deal I have with Mr Z himself and it will be that way until I breed. Also, since their laws just changed there in Croatia to accomodate European entrance as a country you can't get anymore sent here anyway and will never be able too unless you get them papered differently to loophole the customs laws. So I guess this is where my statements come from. What I have SEEN with my own eyes not what I was told.

Rockstar · #12 06-19-2005, 05:02 AM

I had a daughter of Vili II imported from Italy not too long ago, so they aren't as rare or hard to come by as you're letting on, unless you're referring to direct offspring of Vili himself. I can get tight bred Vili dogs out of South Kennels for 600 and shipping. My girl was stolen from my yard last August, along with 5 other dogs, before I really got a chance to look at her, but I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of getting her here had I not been impressed with the line.

Davor's Vili

STPFAN · #13 06-19-2005, 08:28 AM

Don't get it twisted guys! Many of the dogs in Europe did come from blood in the USA but they also have there own strains and crosses that they developed!

Croatia and Yugoslavia have by far the best dogs and are able to compete in the fastlane with us! They are competing openly up there and testing at a very high rate as they don't have to stay lowkey as we do nowadays!

Asia (Thailand, Phillipines, etc...) are right behind us also! They are learning real fast and can put a dog in shape with the best of them!

Scotsman · #14 06-19-2005, 09:30 AM

I have seen a lot of videos from Eastern Europe and Asia and have to say that I was not impressed with how they handled the dogs and not very impressed with the dogs themselves.
Plus why buy a dog from overseas when you have the whole country here to get the source of the majority of the blood over there.

B · #15 06-19-2005, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Scotsman

I have seen a lot of videos from Eastern Europe and Asia and have to say that I was not impressed with how they handled the dogs and not very impressed with the dogs themselves.
Plus why buy a dog from overseas when you have the whole country here to get the source of the majority of the blood over there.

GREAT post! I agree 100%. That is like buying an American made part from China just because they try to copy it. Doesn't mean the quality or worksmanship is ANYTHING similar to the original they tried to reproduce. I've also heard horror stories about the way some of those Eastern Europeans conduct business and treat their dogs.

B

Edit: I didn't mean to imply from this post that these Vili dogs aren't what they are claimed to be or otherwise. The stories I heard were all about a specific man that loves to post his stuff up. A good dog is where you find it... I suppose we could all learn more if we had the means to travel and see some of this with our own eyes. Part of the problem is that we can't compare directly with the stuff because we don't run or work with it. There are plenty of good places to get stuff in the states. Culling and being honest with yourself and your stock and you'll do fine.

**misterdogman** · #16 06-19-2005, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Damn, I just visited your homepage. I thought you were that guy. You're nothing more than an over-priced peddler, among other things. 1500 for Vili pups??????????????????????
"My time is money, so don't waste it."

.....................indeed.

You're lucky I'm a nice guy; there are a lot of things I'd like to say to you right now...

That's cool say what you want it in a PM if you want say it twice I don't care you have my yahoo ID and to let you know the price tag on my site is to weed out the people with the exact reaction you had when they see it. The ones who are more concerned about money and gamedogs being mentioned in the same sentence, I have offered to several people to be open partners with me and this bloodline to just preserve it for almost free, ask chainsoff I want him to "have" these dogs too because he will do them the same justice I will and bet your last buck you won't know what he pays for them and it won't be what my site says because he dont stand with an agape jaw looking stupid with a price tag on his head keeping him from doing research,he is talking dogs and making plans to get some not "buy" some, maybe I will leave that up it seems to work well showing me who don't need to ever own a dog from this line...just as I thought it would. Also by the way the dogs you can get for 600 aren't half as tight as these which are directly inbred off VILI with the only cross being Azra a super game and super stabile bitch Mr. Z had from country boys kennels. So go get ripped off thats good,if you want,because shipping will cost you the same amount at least so you can just go get one of those ones for 1200$ that sounds smart...and until you read my profile or ask some ?s don't refer to me as a peddler again I have never bred a dog ever and never sold a dog ever in my life and by saying a comment like that you hang yourself with your ignorant words and choose to call someone a name with no class to make yourself feel better...so who's the peddler? How many dogs you bred and sold?
I am waiting to breed for the right reasons, not to sell dogs. Like people who make comments like that without knowing what the hell they are talking about or who they are talking to.

**misterdogman** · #17 06-19-2005, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by STPFAN

Don't get it twisted guys! Many of the dogs in Europe did come from blood in the USA but they also have there own strains and crosses that they developed!

Croatia and Yugoslavia have by far the best dogs and are able to compete in the fastlane with us! They are competing openly up there and testing at a very high rate as they don't have to stay lowkey as we do nowadays!

Asia (Thailand, Phillipines, etc...) are right behind us also! They are learning real fast and can put a dog in shape with the best of them!

Thankyou for an educated response and not just the typical babble, looks like you took the time to read and do your research, I commend your effort.

**misterdogman** · #18 06-19-2005, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I had a daughter of Vili II imported from Italy not too long ago, so they aren't as rare or hard to come by as you're letting on, unless you're referring to direct offspring of Vili himself. I can get tight bred Vili dogs out of South Kennels for 600 and shipping. My girl was stolen from my yard last August, along with 5 other dogs, before I really got a chance to look at her, but I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of getting her here had I not been impressed with the line.

Davor's Vili

Was the dogs name insomnia?

SWAMPER · #19 06-19-2005, 01:17 PM

Ive Heard Good And Bad About The Villi Line But You Hear The Same About All Lines All Have Currs All Have Winners Jmho......................................

**misterdogman** · #20 06-19-2005, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by SWAMPER

Ive Heard Good And Bad About The Villi Line But You Hear The Same About All Lines All Have Currs All Have Winners Jmho......................................

Where did you hear about the line to begin with to hear good and bad things? Also I totally agree with you all lines have curs and winners, every last one. If they didn't we would all flock to the line with nothing but winners out of commen sense right? We would all own the same dogs and we would all win everytime and then we would go get icecream in our perfect world... together... with our winners...But back to reality... this is why I chose this line to try to attain a point where I was as close as possible to perfection and thats the only reason it's not for us as MAN its for the DOGS and nothing here in the USA impressed me so much and after seeing them together I see why... in leagues and bounds every USA line I sent to them has been totally outclassed by the VILI dogs I just got... not just because of the dogs I chose to check...because of the quality I CHECKED the USA dogs with.