Popular Bloodline Descriptions??

[bimbil]

What were the following mainly known for? Correct me on any of them.

Jeep: game, some mouth
Redboy: strictly game, too much produces a 'dumb' dog.
Rascal: game, ability
Jocko: intelligence, some mouth
Yellow: nothing but Redboy/Jocko
Mayday: nothing but Yellow, some Patrick coming off of Hollingsworth
Chinaman: everything in one, mainly wind, game, some mouth
Bolio: game and mouth??
Boudreaux: all mouth, known to quit.

[Rockstar]

Every line you mentioned: known to quit.

In reference to Redboy: if by "dumb" you meant that they don't know when to quit, then i have to agree.

Jeep: Pretty good mouth, very good ability, decent percentages in offspring, average to above average in everything else.
Redboy: Deep game, good wind and ability, average to above average intelligence, high percentages in offspring, soft mouth.
Rascal: Above average gameness, average mouth, good ability, average to above average wind and intelligence, decent percentages.
Jocko: Above average gameness, good percentages, average to above average in everything else.
Yellow aka Redboy/Jocko: Deep game, good wind and ability, above average to high intelligence, high percentages, soft to average mouth.
Mayday: Same as above except for average percentages.
Chinaman: Good mouth, average gameness, good ability, high intelligence, good wind, average percentages.
Bolio: Above average gameness, average to above average mouth, good ability-wind-intelligence, above average percentages.
Boudreaux: Great mouth, good wind-intelligence-ability, below average to average gameness, average percentages.

All based strictly on my own personal knowledge and experience. Individual perspectives will vary.

[bimbil]

Thanks Rockstar!! That helped a lot and sounds like you know what's up. Question: what is the difference between ability and intelligence? Don't they go hand and hand?

[Rockstar]

A dog can be as dumb as a rock and still dance circles around another one; and a dog may not have as hard a mouth as his opponent, nor be as physically strong, fast, or agile but may possess enough intelligence to find a way to win anyway.

[LadyRampage]

Very nice post Rockstar.. Good explainations.

[Bubba]

Not all dogs from those lines fit the descriptions labeled there, and as for the Mayday dogs, don't forget to add durability to the list of "labeling".
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[bimbil]

which traits give a dog the biggest edge? mouth with no game will curr after a while and game with no mouth might lack to finish the oppenent off.

[hawk]

which traits give a dog the biggest edge? mouth with no game will curr after a while and game with no mouth might lack to finish the oppenent off.

Gameness above all is what you should be breeding for. People think all you need is a dog that knows how to close it's mouth. What happens if they both have hard mouths??? It all comes down to what is the essence of the breed which is GAMENESS

[rocksteady]

stamina and wind are important, too. not only a dog that has the will power to keep going but one that has the ablity to, too.

[hawk]

stamina and wind are important, too. not only a dog that has the will power to keep going but one that has the ablity to, too.

True other traits are important to successfully complete a task. But there is one trait above all the a dog MUST have to complete a task and that is gameness. He can have the mouth of an aligator and the stamina off an ididarod sled dog all the ability and intelligence in the world but if the dog is not GAME he will not complete the task.

[socks]

Every line you mentioned: known to quit.

In reference to Redboy: if by "dumb" you meant that they don't know when to quit, then i have to agree.

Jeep: Pretty good mouth, very good ability, decent percentages in offspring, average to above average in everything else.
Redboy: Deep game, good wind and ability, average to above average intelligence, high percentages in offspring, soft mouth.
Rascal: Above average gameness, average mouth, good ability, average to above average wind and intelligence, decent percentages.
Jocko: Above average gameness, good percentages, average to above average in everything else.
Yellow aka Redboy/Jocko: Deep game, good wind and ability, above average to high intelligence, high percentages, soft to average mouth.
Mayday: Same as above except for average percentages.
Chinaman: Good mouth, average gameness, good ability, high intelligence, good wind, average percentages.
Bolio: Above average gameness, average to above average mouth, good ability-wind-intelligence, above average percentages.
Boudreaux: Great mouth, good wind-intelligence-ability, below average to average gameness, average percentages.

All based strictly on my own personal knowledge and experience. Individual perspectives will vary.

i found this informative ....thank you

[bimbil]

how much percentage should a dog have of 'gameness'? 50% Redboy for instance? isn't stamina and wind the same thing? if your dogs game than he has ability as well.

[rocksteady]

True other traits are important to successfully complete a task. But there is one trait above all the a dog MUST have to complete a task and that is gameness. He can have the mouth of an aligator and the stamina off an ididarod sled dog all the ability and intelligence in the world but if the dog is not GAME he will not complete the task.

that goes without saying..lol "in addition to" refers to in addition to gameness..

[rocksteady]

how much percentage should a dog have of 'gameness'? 50% Redboy for instance? isn't stamina and wind the same thing? if your dogs game than he has ability as well.

wind and stamina arent really the same thing IMO Stamina is more like strenght, while wind is more based on lung functions IMO While one could have the stamina to go one forever, their wind may give out lol (Im asthmatic.. my wind usually gives out before my stamina lol)

[Irish_Deciple]

I agree with Rockstar on this. IMO this is a good outline of the bloodlines from what I have seen and experienced. I would like to say that the Majority of Redboy dogs I have encountered havent had soft mouths by any means but like stated at the end of the post "Individual perspectives will vary."

Good post Rockstar....I.D.

Every line you mentioned: known to quit.

In reference to Redboy: if by "dumb" you meant that they don't know when to quit, then i have to agree.

Jeep: Pretty good mouth, very good ability, decent percentages in offspring, average to above average in everything else.
Redboy: Deep game, good wind and ability, average to above average intelligence, high percentages in offspring, soft mouth.
Rascal: Above average gameness, average mouth, good ability, average to above average wind and intelligence, decent percentages.
Jocko: Above average gameness, good percentages, average to above average in everything else.
Yellow aka Redboy/Jocko: Deep game, good wind and ability, above average to high intelligence, high percentages, soft to average mouth.
Mayday: Same as above except for average percentages.
Chinaman: Good mouth, average gameness, good ability, high intelligence, good wind, average percentages.
Bolio: Above average gameness, average to above average mouth, good ability-wind-intelligence, above average percentages.
Boudreaux: Great mouth, good wind-intelligence-ability, below average to average gameness, average percentages.

All based strictly on my own personal knowledge and experience. Individual perspectives will vary.

[bimbil]

excellent reply's. i've learned soo much just off this one thread. thanks.

[Crash97]

how much percentage should a dog have of 'gameness'? 50% Redboy for instance? isn't stamina and wind the same thing? if your dogs game than he has ability as well.

IMO, wind and stamina are synonymous. Without enough wind the lungs won't be capable of supplying the neccessary oxygen to the blood and muscle, thus loss of stamina. Gameness and ability are different. Gameness is the will to continue on, despite the threat of death. Ability is the level of efficiency the dog has at the chosen endeavor.

[Rockstar]

The fact is that one has an equal chance of finding an exceptional dog with any given bloodline. Dogs such as Chinaman, Yellow, Jeep, Maverick, et cetera all had plenty of siblings that couldn't make the cut. You can study genetics for 30 years and do everything right, and still never come up with a dog that is truely exceptional. Or you may be just starting out, and end up with a Gr Ch out of your first litter. You never know where that next great dog is going to come from.

As far as percentages go; if I can end up with a single good gamedog that is worth keeping out of every litter, then I'm fine with that. We'd all love to breed all-game litters, but such an occurence very rarely ever happens. For every dog I've ever kept, there are 8-10 more that I had to cull. It can get pretty discouraging when you raise a well-bred litter of ten for 2 years or more, only to find that ultimately none end up meeting your standards. If you can get 1 or 2 per litter, then you know that you're at least having some success, and you aren't just wasting your precious time, money, and effort. If you're consistently coming up with 4 or 5 quality gamedogs out of every litter, then you've got one hell of a breeding program going on.

[arizonamen]

Thanx for all the info

Now I really don't know what bloodline to go with.

[kwatts04]

All the info on these lines is good but i didnt see any one speak on the Alligator bloodlines.whats every ones take on them?