akc /apbt

Home of Cujo · #1 01-30-2005, 06:16 PM

I have a pretty good idea but why is it that akc does not except our dogs as a breed?

**~~rocksteady~~** · #2 01-30-2005, 06:23 PM

because of the word PIT

Crash97 · #3 01-30-2005, 06:47 PM

Due to their history as (gasp) a fighting dog.....

**~~rocksteady~~** · #4 01-30-2005, 07:22 PM

color, too. AKC only allows black nosed dogs ..

GrChPitBitch · #5 01-30-2005, 10:28 PM

IMO, the ADBA is one of the only clubs that promotes breeding dogs to look like what they looked like year ago....... IMO AKC ruined and mutated alot of breeds, such as the Bulldog, and the Bull Terrier..... They change standards all the time... etc. Bulldogs cant even give birth to their own pups naturally becuz their hips are too small... studs even have heart attacks during mating... and the Bull Terrier origionally had very little stop... but now they have inverted stops!! Dosnt make any sence to me..... But...

**miakoda** · #6 01-30-2005, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by rocksteady

color, too. AKC only allows black nosed dogs ..

are you sure? dogs like the Pharoah Hound have red noses, & Viszlas, & the Weims have blue/gray. or were you joking?

lambchop11078 · #7 01-30-2005, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by miakoda

are you sure? dogs like the Pharoah Hound have red noses, & Viszlas, & the Weims have blue/gray. or were you joking?

I believe he was talking about AmStaffs.

**miakoda** · #8 01-30-2005, 10:39 PM

ohhhh. sorry, blonde moment.

it happens.

#9 01-31-2005, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by miakoda

are you sure? dogs like the Pharoah Hound have red noses, & Viszlas, & the Weims have blue/gray. or were you joking?

It is just they dont say they are red nose on thier paperwork. I know because i have 2 red nose amstaffs. Right now. But now a true AKC fan would not admit that any such thing exists, but you can't register AKC unless they are born into it.

dhcrew · #10 01-31-2005, 08:37 AM

none of that changes the fact that they all came from the same dogs used to continue what the apbt is today, AKC changed the name because they did not approve of the word pit, and a red nose is defaulted, so is a blue nose and a dudley nose. a dog will only title in AKC with a black nose.

and yes they have ruined alot of breeds, poodles, cockers, bulldogs just to name a few, but the amstaff hasnt lost everything, they still have all the qualities of the apbt, drive, determination,loyalty, intelligence, strength, willingness to please, and very few health problems in general. i have even seen quite a few hog dogs that are game as ever. it just depends on the breeder, and the lineage.

GrChPitBitch · #11 02-02-2005, 11:17 AM

Am Staff still isnt a Pit Bull...

dusty · #12 02-02-2005, 12:02 PM

If your having problems registering a dog you could look in to other opitons as well such as APBR and as well CKC recongizes the American Pitbulls . I know with ADBA they want at least 4 generations and there has to be at least one of those dogs tied back to ADBA. CKC has a wide variety of tournaments for dogs pending on the breeds.

lambchop11078 · #13 02-02-2005, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by GrChPitBitch

Am Staff still isnt a Pit Bull...

How so? The foundation stock for AmStaffs are APBTs.

hawk · #14 02-02-2005, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by lambchop11078

How so? The foundation stock for AmStaffs are APBTs.

How so? Because they have been bred separately and to different standards for over 70 years.

If you think they are the same try registering your pit with the AKC and give them your arguement about it coming from the same foundation stock and see how fast you get your papers.

lambchop11078 · #15 02-02-2005, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by hawk

How so? Because they have been bred separately and to different standards for over 70 years.

If you think they are the same try registering your pit with the AKC and give them your arguement about it coming from the same foundation stock and see how fast you get your papers.

Yes they have been bred for different purposes now. If APBTs were used as the foundation dogs for "Staffordshire Terriers" then all AmStaffs are a subset of APBTs bred for conformance but not all APBTs are AmStaffs. That's the reason why the AKC won't register your APBT.

hawk · #16 02-02-2005, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by lambchop11078

Yes they have been bred for different purposes now. If APBTs were used as the foundation dogs for "Staffordshire Terriers" then all AmStaffs are a subset of APBTs bred for conformance but not all APBTs are AmStaffs. That's the reason why the AKC won't register your APBT.

True, but by the same token many of the APBT's today can be traced backed to the dogs that were used in 1935 when the AKC opened their stud books. So if you can trace your APBT back to those same dogs the AKC still will not register them. And they would consider it, as do I, a separate breed even if you could trace it back to their original foundation stock.

Big_Ant · #17 02-02-2005, 01:28 PM

Can someone please explain to me what options I have in terms of getting "papers" on my dog? I know the AKC doesn't accept pits, and I know that the UKC doesn't allow registration unless both parents are registered with them. I was told by the breeder that the Sire was UKC Registered, but that the Dam was not. I haven't been able to get in touch with the guy as he was moving when I purchased her.

Are there any options for me?

Any clubs?

I've been around this terrific breed my entire life, my parents were breeders, and I'm not looking to get into big time breeding or trying to get money out of my dog(s). I just love the breed.

Thanks.

- Anthony

lambchop11078 · #18 02-02-2005, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by hawk

True, but by the same token many of the APBT's today can be traced backed to the dogs that were used in 1935 when the AKC opened their stud books. So if you can trace your APBT back to those same dogs the AKC still will not register them. And they would consider it, as do I, a separate breed even if you could trace it back to their original foundation stock.

What I've noticed is there are 2 crowds in the AmStaff/APBT controversy.

The first crowd doesn't want anything to do with each other i.e. the AmStaff crowd doesn't want to accept the history of the AmStaff as a fighting bulldog while the APBT crowd doesn't want their dogs to be known as a pretty cur. The second crowd believes they're one in the same. I respect your stand where they're 2 different breeds but one can argue that no other breed was introduce into the AmStaff blood so in essence it's all APBT blood in them. That makes all AmStaffs conformance bred APBTs in my book.

GrChPitBitch · #19 02-02-2005, 01:47 PM

IMO, and Amstaff is a different breed NOW... but everyone to their own...

About registration, you could always register with the CKC.. but it is a Bullshit registry if ya ask me..... $10 for a piece of paper.... dosnt mean shit.....

#20 02-02-2005, 01:53 PM

The NKC will register APBT'S also and they were founded 1969 I think! and where based on the hunting abilities of rabbit hounds and other hunting dogs and now they register APBT'S and American bulldogs and it dont cost an arm and a leg...