frisco

[J.W]

According to the sporting dog registry, FRISCO has 24 rom points, I talked to a man that has some good frisco blood from frisco's earlier breeding's before the FROZEN SEMEN!!!!!!. He told me that the frozen semen is gone. The money was just to good to say it was. He also said that 3 or 4 of the ROM points are probaly not even points frisco earned! They are points that Rebel yell, elmo , and i think Hickory tree earned, but not credited because it was supposibly a FRISCO breeding. So that goes to show that you never know what you are getting from the man known as TOM'' tha crook '' GARNER

[KnOck]

I heard that somewhere too. That Tom was using Hickory, Elmo and Rebel Yell to breed saying that the breedings were off the frozen semen. Thats really fucked up. A man who has plenty of money as it is and he tricks the public like that. But we all know the saying, "Money is the root of all evil!"

Knock 'Em Out

According to the sporting dog registry, FRISCO has 24 rom points, I talked to a man that has some good frisco blood from frisco's earlier breeding's before the FROZEN SEMEN!!!!!!. He told me that the frozen semen is gone. The money was just to good to say it was. He also said that 3 or 4 of the ROM points are probaly not even points frisco earned! They are points that Rebel yell, elmo , and i think Hickory tree earned, but not credited because it was supposibly a FRISCO breeding. So that goes to show that you never know what you are getting from the man known as TOM'' tha crook '' GARNER

[J M A N]

That's pretty much common knowledge. As I have said before......its really easy to become a ROM if you have f***ed every thing that would stand still long enough.

According to the sporting dog registry, FRISCO has 24 rom points, I talked to a man that has some good frisco blood from frisco's earlier breeding's before the FROZEN SEMEN!!!!!!. He told me that the frozen semen is gone. The money was just to good to say it was. He also said that 3 or 4 of the ROM points are probaly not even points frisco earned! They are points that Rebel yell, elmo , and i think Hickory tree earned, but not credited because it was supposibly a FRISCO breeding. So that goes to show that you never know what you are getting from the man known as TOM'' tha crook '' GARNER

[BONE]

That's pretty much common knowledge. As I have said before......its really easy to become a ROM if you have f***ed every thing that would stand still long enough.

I heard he was also using Doc Holiday...and thats who GR.CH.Shotsie is off of..

[bigmurfdogg]

you hear all kinds of rumors and most of them come from people who are jealous of tg and what frisco has produced.we all know he could produce and we really do not know how much semen garner had off frisco,i mean he was about 13 before he died and garner was one of the first to freeze his studs semen.well if he used frisco sons and still getting ch's,what should that tell you that he was a producer.but tg is the only one that knows how much of frisco's semen he had.well let's talk about how at least half of jeep's points were his brother ch. charlie's,that's what i thought jeep lovers! lol bigmurfdogg!

[ASA]

Good Point.but We All Know Jeep Was A Bad Mutha Fucka!!!

[Marty]

Good Point.but We All Know Jeep Was A Bad Mutha Fucka!!!

Yea that's what I hear I'm (PROUD) of my jeep dog's they will survive!

IMO IF YOU DON'T LIKE JEEP DOG'S

[Redtail74]

How come everytime someone says something about frisco not producing all the dogs he is said to have produced someone else has to bring up jeep. I think everyone in the free world that has anything to do with these dogs has heard both stories time and time again. It's nothing new and theres nothing anyone can do about it now but make the best out of what we have today. I'm not trying to take a shot at anyone here so I hope no one takes it that way.

[bigmurfdogg]

i am not trying to take anything away from jeep,i don't know personally but from what i hear he was a bad mutha,i am just tired of tg. and frisco being the center of negativity.i love my chinaman/frisco dogs but i love the AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER MORE! we are all men and should not take another man's opinion to heart.and REDTAIL74 i just thought since we were talking about rumors about frisco we needed to talk about other rumors as well! i am not in any way trying to take away from jeep's accomplishments but on the other hand chinaman and jeep were around at the same time AND CHINAMAN WAS OPEN TO THE WORLD FOR 2YRS WITH NOONE WANTING ANY PART OF THE OLD MAN!but imo jeep could have been open to because the match with homer showed us what jeep was made of!LOL BIGMURFDOGG

[bigmurfdogg]

[QUOTE=Marty]Yea that's what I hear I'm (PROUD) of my jeep dog's they will survive!

IMO IF YOU DON'T LIKE JEEP DOG'S

i never said i didn't like jeep dogs i am just not really that fond of them,but jeep dogs just like frisco dogs have good and bad in them.well put it like this if chinaman and jeep were in a hunt who do you honestly think would have came out of the woods,i gave jeep his credit because he outhunted homer,but he did die after this match didn't he.but he still won and he deserves credit.imo i just think chinaman was a better dog than jeep because he could beat any dog at their own style and kill them in short order! i think chinaman was the best because was a freak and take any dog's style and beat them at their own style not many dogs today can adapt to the other's style and be better than them at it and them frustrate them so much they would try to do something else and we know that was a bad mistake because that would mark the end of their life.jeep was a bad mutha and there's no denying that,but i personally run the chinaman lines.don't get me wrong jeep was a great dog imo he ranked #2nd behind chinaman as one of the best ever,that's something i could never take from jeep because he went into top comp.MARTY I HOPE YOU DIDN'T TAKE WHAT I SAID THE WRONG WAY,BEACAUSE I SURE DID NOT TAKE WHAT YOU SAID THE WRONG WAY! LOL BIGMURFDOGG!(HEY I MIGHT EVEN LEARN SOMETHING FROM YOU MARTY THAT WHY I LOVE THIS BOARD SO MUCH,BECAUSE HERE WE TRY TO EDUCATE EACH OTHER)!

[Marty]

[QUOTE=bigmurfdogg]

Yea that's what I hear I'm (PROUD) of my jeep dog's they will survive!

IMO IF YOU DON'T LIKE JEEP DOG'S

i never said i didn't like jeep dogs i am just not really that fond of them,but jeep dogs just like frisco dogs have good and bad in them.well put it like this if chinaman and jeep were in a hunt who do you honestly think would have came out of the woods,i gave jeep his credit because he outhunted homer,but he did die after this match didn't he.but he still won and he deserves credit.imo i just think chinaman was a better dog than jeep because he could beat any dog at their own style and kill them in short order! i think chinaman was the best because was a freak and take any dog's style and beat them at their own style not many dogs today can adapt to the other's style and be better than them at it and them frustrate them so much they would try to do something else and we know that was a bad mistake because that would mark the end of their life.jeep was a bad mutha and there's no denying that,but i personally run the chinaman lines.don't get me wrong jeep was a great dog imo he ranked #2nd behind chinaman as one of the best ever,that's something i could never take from jeep because he went into top comp.MARTY I HOPE YOU DIDN'T TAKE WHAT I SAID THE WRONG WAY,BEACAUSE I SURE DID NOT TAKE WHAT YOU SAID THE WRONG WAY! LOL BIGMURFDOGG!(HEY I MIGHT EVEN LEARN SOMETHING FROM YOU MARTY THAT WHY I LOVE THIS BOARD SO MUCH,BECAUSE HERE WE TRY TO EDUCATE EACH OTHER)!

No no... I didn't take what you said the wrong way, and I'm glad you didn't take what I said the wrong way. I was trying to be humorous

As far as Chinaman being number 1 and Jeep being number 2... nobody will ever truely know. I have seen more Jeep dogs than anything else, and most of them was better than average.

[Bubba]

Course breed a dog as many times as Jeep AND Frisco were (and still being bred in Frisco's case) and you are bound to be at the top of the ROM list. In my opinion, the ROM list or the POR list should be based solely on percentages...
BB

[blackbeard]

How much longer is it gonna take for some people to get over this topic?

[KnOck]

Sorry to say my brother, but some will never get over it...lol

How much longer is it gonna take for some people to get over this topic?

[BDK]

there will always be rumors in the game world lol and i have to add my 2 cents i talked to tom garner 2 weeks ago and he no longer markets the frisco frozen semen no that disappoints all you ppl lol but frisco is now no longer available for stud and frisco himself has been dead for almost 3 yrs

[Big River Kennels]

I like TG and unless you were there counting the frozen semen, you should not say anything, the man's record speaks for itself.

[bigmurfdogg]

i agree with you big river kennels tg has done alot for the game and just beacause he was still breeding frisco people are jealous,but if frisco was a cur who would care if he is selling frozen sperm off him,i mean he's a cur and why care ,curs don't produce do they?yeah that's what i thought people know he has thrown good with bad just like any other line.(mostly good) but the dealing i have had thru a mutual friend with tg he has been an honest person and someone who has always imo tried to make sure you understand what you were getting and if things didn't work out you could bring the dog back and he would try to please you! one thing can say about him is that he doesn't like bullshitters and can spot one a mile away.oh yeah what's up bdk i am from frisco's homestate and garner no longer has frozen semen off frisco!(the point i was trying to make was that if tg was still selling frozen semen off frisco and he was a cur and was producing curs and i was the competition i would be like keep breeding curs that would make it easier for the others,but that is not the case and that why people have so much negativity towards tg and frisco!

[who]

I like the frisco dogs (on paper) but there is alot of constoversy about them Anyone have pups off ELMO and the others if so how are they acting or have they already been proven? thats the only way that this dispute will come to an end in the future IF the dogs still show the CONSISTENCY then ill prolly get one but till then im still a little cautious ...........

[Crash97]

I've got one off Elmo x Black Mary, but she's too young to really see anything.

[pitbullpride]

I've got an (almost) three year old son of Elmo, bred to Dolly II. He's fantastic!