conformation

[Brayden]

Was wondering if anyone showed their dogs in UKC conformation? I do well did, Bam is a UKC Gr. Ch. now and he is selectively shown now. But was just wondering, seems like most of you show ADBA style APBTs.

[The Watcher]

yamon... ;)

seems like most of you show ADBA style APBTs.

[Brayden]

Not that I have nething against ADBA, just not my cup of tea hehe. I like my UKC APBTs in general. But have been to watch a couple ADBA shows.

[The Watcher]

great cause ur on a Game-Dog site which doeasnt NECESSARALY aply to the UKC... ;)
Not that I have nething against ADBA,

[Brayden]

great cause ur on a Game-Dog site which doeasnt NECESSARALY aply to the UKC... ;)
lol ya well I love the breed in general so ya. Though I might have a few diff. opinions than some of you (as I have found by reading some of the posts on here and such) but everyone is intitled to their own opinion hehehe.

I am willing to learn and such. Heck I have only had the breed for a little over 2 years (Bam was my first, Capone my second but he was neutered at 8 months because he hated the ring and he is now 1 1/2 years and he is VERY dog aggressive, to the point where I have 6 other dogs living in my house so he lives out in our indoor/outdoor kennels, a/c and heat in there lol. So was a good thing we got him neutered anyways. And I also have an APBT/chesapeake bay retriever mix, along with 4 other dogs lol).



*~!Ashelee!~*

[The Watcher]

WELCOME. ......lol ya well I love the breed in general so ya. Though I might have a few diff. opinions than some of you (as I have found by reading some of the posts on here and such) but everyone is intitled to their own opinion hehehe.

I am willing to learn and such. Heck I have only had the breed for a little over 2 years (Bam was my first, Capone my second but he was neutered at 8 months because he hated the ring and he is now 1 1/2 years and he is VERY dog aggressive, to the point where I have 6 other dogs living in my house so he lives out in our indoor/outdoor kennels, a/c and heat in there lol. So was a good thing we got him neutered anyways. And I also have an APBT/chesapeake bay retriever mix, along with 4 other dogs lol).



*~!Ashelee!~*

[Brayden]

hehe, thank you. Seems like a really nice community. I belong to several animal forums but none that are breed specific or anything, so glad that I found this one.



*~!Ashelee!~*

[bam-bam's mom]

you gotta have skin as thick as your dog around here at first, but all in all these guys/gals are great!!!

[pitbulllvr25]

you gotta have skin as thick as your dog around here at first, but all in all these guys/gals are great!!!LOL..as thick as your dog? More like a brick wall...lol and nerves of steel..lol j/k

I kinda just stay out of the way and try not to get caught in the crossfire :p ... LOL

[tommy3]

lol ya well I love the breed in general so ya. Though I might have a few diff. opinions than some of you (as I have found by reading some of the posts on here and such) but everyone is intitled to their own opinion hehehe.

I am willing to learn and such. Heck I have only had the breed for a little over 2 years (Bam was my first, Capone my second but he was neutered at 8 months because he hated the ring and he is now 1 1/2 years and he is VERY dog aggressive, to the point where I have 6 other dogs living in my house so he lives out in our indoor/outdoor kennels, a/c and heat in there lol. So was a good thing we got him neutered anyways. And I also have an APBT/chesapeake bay retriever mix, along with 4 other dogs lol).



*~!Ashelee!~*
Are you saying it is a good thing that he is neutered because he is dog aggressive?

[Brayden]

lol, dont worry, i got pretty thick skin.


and to a point yes, because he doesnt have a very stable temperment, and I personally would not want to breed that. But there are other reasons, for one he doesnt have any titles that would make him worthy or being bred (he has herding titles but only the first ones and he isnt going any further because I am no longer doing herding with him because I cant trust him off leash with so many dogs around). He doesnt have conformation titles because he HATES the show ring, and he doesnt have working titles because for one he doesnt like weight pull and two I dont trust him enough to have him off leash around other dogs because his dog aggression is so bad (and yes he was WELL socialized when a pup, but nothing would have helped him really). And yes I know it is part of the breed, but honestly I dont think it has to be, and I have a purebred APBT that shows NO signs of dog aggression and is a little over 2 years now. Since in general they werent meant to be dog aggressive (since they were bull-baiters and worked together at times) and then were bred to fight...etc. etc.



*~!Ashelee!~*

[rocksteady]

ummmm... no, the APBT was specifically breed and refined to be otehr dog aggressive

BULLDOGS werent..but the APBT was

[Brayden]

um, APBTs are decendants from the "original" bulldogs, they had a little terrier blood bred into them when bullbaiting was banned in england. pit fights took the place of bullbaiting.

But again the APBT history isnt for sure and no one really knows the true facts. But I have read many many things about APBTs and their history. Diane Jessup (a person who I and a lot of other APBT people respect) has a great run down of the history and many other things:
http://www.workingpitbull.com/

[PitDawg]

Uh, Oh...a Jessup fan.:D
We all know the history on the APBT hun. APBTs were bred for ANIMAL agression, which was later focused on dog aggression. The reason your other purebred APBT isn't dog aggressive is because he probably has his ped full of show lines, and your fixed one may have a little more game lines, or game lines closer up in the ped. The only APBTs that AREN'T dog aggressive are most likely Staffs or Show line APBTs. (also staffs)

[rocksteady]

even then, animal aggression is found through all breeds of dogs. IT is not APBT specific..

[Brayden]

ok, well sorry but I will stick with what I have read and such. And yes Bam is a conformation dog mainly, I also do french ring and the like with him also. But ya, neways I am a Jessup fan.



*~!Ashelee!~*

[NORTH]

***no need for that***

[PitDawg]

Lmao.........

[tommy3]

um, APBTs are decendants from the "original" bulldogs, they had a little terrier blood bred into them when bullbaiting was banned in england. pit fights took the place of bullbaiting.

But again the APBT history isnt for sure and no one really knows the true facts. But I have read many many things about APBTs and their history. Diane Jessup (a person who I and a lot of other APBT people respect) has a great run down of the history and many other things:
http://www.workingpitbull.com/Yeah, bulldogs were bred for bull baiting but American PIT Bull Terriers were bred for the pit. You know, fighting other dogs. Therefore, there is a big difference between the bull baiting bull dogs and the pit dogs (APBT). That is a fact. Just because they share the common ancestry, it doesn't make them the same breed.

[The Watcher]

say it again!!!!!!!!!!!***no need for that***

[NORTH]

***no need for that***

[rocksteady]

ok, well sorry but I will stick with what I have read and such. And yes Bam is a conformation dog mainly, I also do french ring and the like with him also. But ya, neways I am a Jessup fan.



*~!Ashelee!~*
you need to find some new literature to read....

[PitDawg]

OMG that is hilarious!

[mydawgs]

Uh, Oh...a Jessup fan.:D
We all know the history on the APBT hun. APBTs were bred for ANIMAL agression, which was later focused on dog aggression. The reason your other purebred APBT isn't dog aggressive is because he probably has his ped full of show lines, and your fixed one may have a little more game lines, or game lines closer up in the ped. The only APBTs that AREN'T dog aggressive are most likely Staffs or Show line APBTs. (also staffs)
Boy do I have a staff for Ms. Jessup....my Lilly (Daddy a UKC show dog champ)LUVS to MIX IT UP, she in it for the long haul too I'm sure, and my game bred APBT doesn't give a rats a** if any dog runs up on him, however he would be more than happy to finish anything another starts. An his momma and daddy are as game bred as they come. So based on my experience, it really is all in the dog, IMHO.

[tommy3]

ok, well sorry but I will stick with what I have read and such. And yes Bam is a conformation dog mainly, I also do french ring and the like with him also. But ya, neways I am a Jessup fan.



*~!Ashelee!~*
Well, it seems that you have been misinformed. If you breed dog aggression out of these dogs, you are not breeding an APBT. Amstaff maybe. It is like breeding retreiving out of a retriever. Make sense?

[SouthernDixie]

you need to find some new literature to read....
If I had "stuck to everything I've read" about APBTs, well, let's just say I wouldn't have learned so much and I wouldn't have given my dogs the chance to teach me. Good reason to hang around this place - knowlege lies behind many of those usernames. I see that every day.

[PitDawg]

Yes, D.J. contradicts herself way too much, and will bitch at someone for doing the same things she does. The list goes on.
Like her Chain dog lecture. She will cuss you out for chaining your dogs, yet she chains her own dogs.
She also claims she is against fighting, but she co-wrote a book with Colby, ABOUT fighting!!!

[rocksteady]

well tecnically the book wasnt about "fighting" persay..t was about the heritage of the Colby bloodline... and she did comment that she was against fighting when she helped write the book...

[PitDawg]

I meant to say it was about fighting dogs, my mistake.

[mydawgs]

Ya know it is ashame about DJ, because she has the notariety to be a strong voice for the salvation of our breeds, she just needs to get a solid set of messages and STICK to them....she is in a position to be our advocate if she would just learn the fundamentals of a solid straight line marketing strategy!!!!!!:(

[PitDawg]

Well Said Mydawgs

[DEADGAME14]

lol, dont worry, i got pretty thick skin.


and to a point yes, because he doesnt have a very stable temperment, and I personally would not want to breed that. But there are other reasons, for one he doesnt have any titles that would make him worthy or being bred (he has herding titles but only the first ones and he isnt going any further because I am no longer doing herding with him because I cant trust him off leash with so many dogs around). He doesnt have conformation titles because he HATES the show ring, and he doesnt have working titles because for one he doesnt like weight pull and two I dont trust him enough to have him off leash around other dogs because his dog aggression is so bad (and yes he was WELL socialized when a pup, but nothing would have helped him really). And yes I know it is part of the breed, but honestly I dont think it has to be, and I have a purebred APBT that shows NO signs of dog aggression and is a little over 2 years now. Since in general they werent meant to be dog aggressive (since they were bull-baiters and worked together at times) and then were bred to fight...etc. etc.



*~!Ashelee!~*uh oh here we go again!!!WHEN WILL IT EVER END???????????

[DEADGAME14]

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Diane Jessup (a person who I and a lot of other APBT people respect) has a great run down of the history and many other things:
http://www.workingpitbull.com/[/QUOTE] DEADGAME14 <<< POOPS ON JESSUPS HEAD!

[14rock]

Again, show some respect fellas. I dislike D.J.'s actions as much as the next guy, but name-calling and acting like children isnt what the breed needs right now. Welcome Brayden, I think there are a few UKC showers on here (at least a few with UKC dogs) but most of us prefer the ADBA standard ;)

[Marty]

Again, show some respect fellas. I dislike D.J.'s actions as much as the next guy, but name-calling and acting like children isnt what the breed needs right now. Welcome Brayden, I think there are a few UKC showers on here (at least a few with UKC dogs) but most of us prefer the ADBA standard ;)Thanks 14rock reps to you ;)

[NORTH]

Sorry if I was out of line fellas, Just have strong feelings about this so called "expert" of our breed.

[14rock]

Sorry if I was out of line fellas, Just have strong feelings about this so called "expert" of our breed.
No big deal Naughty North, we all get riled up every now and then.;)

[NORTH]

Thanks Bro.......