Aggressive Male

[Summer]

I have a (3 1/2 year old) red nose male whom has become extreamly aggressive towards our female (2 yrs) we have had to seperate them due to this, we have tried to muzzle him and he becomes so aggitated trying to get the muzzle off he is tearing our his nails trying to pull it off. Any suggestions???

[WWII]

You did know that this breed is dog aggressive, right?

[B]

You own a pitbull. Dog aggression is normal. I would suggest you keep them seperated and spend equal amounts of time with them.

Regards,

B

[Summer]

I have bred pitbulls in Minnesota for 6 years, I know aggression is normal but he is trying to kill her...isn't there a difference between that and normal aggression!You did know that this breed is dog aggressive, right?

[houstonapbt]

Yes, it is normal. Go with what B said.

[B]

I have bred pitbulls in Minnesota for 6 years, I know aggression is normal but he is trying to kill her...isn't there a difference between that and normal aggression!
Every dog can have various levels. You obviously don't deal with too many gamebred dogs because this is very common in a lot of them. There is nothing wrong with your male, he's just being a pitbull. How much research did you do before you started breeding dogs? I wouldn't consider this a very normal question with that much "experience".

Regards,

B

[Mudville_Monsta]

i wouldn't consider it out of the ordinary unless he starts to show this aggression towards any people. also do you live in the city or are you in a more rural area. does he have all his vaccination. (rabies). my cousin had a dog that started to show a considerable change in his aggression towards animals, again normal behavior. come to find out he was bit by something (squirell, rat,etc.) ,contracted rabies and had to be put down.

[Summer]

He is current on all shots....He has jumped over an 8 ft kennel to get her, so we put fencing on the top and he busted a hole thru that to jump out, he has busted a hole thru the chain link door and now grabs the bottom of the kennel (the metal support/frame) and bends it up so he get under it...

[B]

A proper chain setup is the best way to contain a bulldog. There are numerous threads on how to properly setup a strong chain spot.

Regards,

B

[Mudville_Monsta]

i suggest you get a chain setup. it's the best and most safe way to keep your dogs safe. it will also help you keep you and your dogs out of the media.

[Marty]

This is a very good setup for ya to look at

[Mudville_Monsta]

This is a very good setup for ya to look at
marty is that quarter needed as a part of the set up.LOL.

[Marty]

marty is that quarter needed as a part of the set up.LOL.No we do not require you to use it in the set up it was to show the size of the chain setup and the chain is not recommended for young dogs, I don't have a pic of a tickler chain to start a pup off, I will try to make one up and post it later ;)

[CB]

Hey marty those swivels are kind skinny how are the holding up.

[Marty]

CB they are stronger than they look lol it would be hard to wear one out but it can happen so you have to keep an eye on them :cool:

[Luigi]

I have bred pitbulls in Minnesota for 6 years, I know aggression is normal but he is trying to kill her...isn't there a difference between that and normal aggression!
Aggression levels vary tremendously. If you bred pitbulls for 6 years and were unaware of this, I hope you are no longer breeding until you become more familiar with the breed. Scour the web---there is TONS of info. about pitbulls available.

[Miles]

Or if that is too much work... Just hand the female over to me... Or the male... I'll take care of it. Papers and all. :cool:

[jmg]

did they get along before? how do you feed them?

[J Henry]

Like the other post have told you, this is normal. I at one time had a female and her son that would try and rip each other up anytime they got close each other. That is why I have always kept my bulldogs on a good chain set up. You shold keep them on chains or give one of them to someone that knows what they are doing with game breed dogs.

[dasdogtrain]

please people! only if this person likes having a aggressive dog then yes you all have very good replys. but in general this could have been delt with the right way! which is to get rid of that behavior. you should really look over the pit bull aspect and start to learn a bit more of about dog behavior. i have delt with fighters before, and actually pissed some people off by showing them how to make the most meanest dogs be very great with other dogs.yes they may never play,but at least there will be peace.

[tommy3]

please people! only if this person likes having a aggressive dog then yes you all have very good replys. but in general this could have been delt with the right way! which is to get rid of that behavior. you should really look over the pit bull aspect and start to learn a bit more of about dog behavior. i have delt with fighters before, and actually pissed some people off by showing them how to make the most meanest dogs be very great with other dogs.yes they may never play,but at least there will be peace.No matter how much training you put into a bulldog, it will still want to tear into the other dog. You can't train genetics. You may be able to train a dog to deal with other dogs, to a certain point, but there is always a chance that the dog will turn and attack the other one. Anyone that thinks that they can train genetics is being foolish and are putting theirs and other dogs at risk. It is good to socialize some dogs when it is young, but you are asking for trouble when you put a grown bulldog around other dogs. It may seem fine and dandy for a while, but what are you going to do when genetics takes over? You are going to have "a vicious pitbull" in everyone else's eyes just because you think that you have trained out a born in genetic trait out of your dog. It is possible to train dog aggressiveness out of a lab because it does not have that trait in its genetics. However, bulldogs will always have that trait, no matter what you do or think you do.

[B]

please people! only if this person likes having a aggressive dog then yes you all have very good replys. but in general this could have been delt with the right way! which is to get rid of that behavior. you should really look over the pit bull aspect and start to learn a bit more of about dog behavior. i have delt with fighters before, and actually pissed some people off by showing them how to make the most meanest dogs be very great with other dogs.yes they may never play,but at least there will be peace.
Your response shows an obvious lack of knowledge of the bulldog breed. Especially where gamedogs are concerned there is no "un-training" dog aggression. Canine behavior is very different in pitbulls. Pitbulls have been bred against pack instinct and typical dog behavior for hundreds of years. My dogs aren't mean when people are concerned but they are driven with a desire that they make every attempt to fulfill when another dog is around. You would be glad to know that many people on here have more experience in a 1/4 of their years with these bulldogs then most Petsmart dog trainers have their entire lives. Like most things, the people that always "know-it-all" move on to something else like the winds change. A lot of us will have these dogs for the rest of our lives because they aren't just a hobby, they are a part of us. You would do well to keep reading this board so you can get a better understanding of pitbulls, specifically gamebred ones.

Regards,

B

[Luigi]

I have a (3 1/2 year old) red nose male whom has become extreamly aggressive towards our female (2 yrs) we have had to seperate them due to this, we have tried to muzzle him and he becomes so aggitated trying to get the muzzle off he is tearing our his nails trying to pull it off. Any suggestions???
Get rid of the muzzle.

[J Henry]

Your response shows an obvious lack of knowledge of the bulldog breed. Especially where gamedogs are concerned there is no "un-training" dog aggression. Canine behavior is very different in pitbulls. Pitbulls have been bred against pack instinct and typical dog behavior for hundreds of years. My dogs aren't mean when people are concerned but they are driven with a desire that they make every attempt to fulfill when another dog is around. You would be glad to know that many people on here have more experience in a 1/4 of their years with these bulldogs then most Petsmart dog trainers have their entire lives. Like most things, the people that always "know-it-all" move on to something else like the winds change. A lot of us will have these dogs for the rest of our lives because they aren't just a hobby, they are a part of us. You would do well to keep reading this board so you can get a better understanding of pitbulls, specifically gamebred ones.

Regards,

BI could not have said it any better!!

[dasdogtrain]

.you people are very right, they are bred to be fighters. I understand what my dog is capable of doing but hey I know how to control every move he makes! To say that they could never be trusted to even have under control is the most sickest shit I have ever heard of, and it makes me very sad to see people owning these dogs and lacking the understanding of -for one thing it is a "DOG" and if you think a pit is something else then "ok you can think that"! but all breeds have their own abilities, but hey! guess what? we control them they do not control us! if you people have so much knowledge and pride in this breed then why is it, its seems you may be the destruction of the American pit bull terrier with this info? you people are right to confine and own a aggressive dog in the ways you do, because you like game dogs = fighers/highpreydrive/etc. but then what are you telling the public or others? yeah I own a really great breed, but he can't be letout,trusted,or even considered a chance to be a real dog. the bullshit on these dogs are bred not to have pack behavior is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of. yes! they may be more independent/leaders, but I can assure u they do/will live in a pack! if you put these dogs on a island together I can assure you that a pack would form in some way or another. I love this breed and support these dogs to the max!- but never would I tell people they are great for everyone. if the people who posted yeah I keep them chained and secure/etc, were to lose that dog=you have just messed up man! because for one thing you would be a disgrace to this breeds reputation. 2nd your dog is dead. and why tell people who own these dogs as house pets that this is how you own the breed? you people want your dog like this and follow the rules to keep him like this which is ok . but to advertise this site as a helpful site for new /pit bull owners is not that cool! I respect that you people are into game dogs but there are other things to do with your pit bulls, even being a police dog in which you have to know how to control your dogs behavior aggression.

[WWII]

.you people are very right, they are bred to be fighters. I understand what my dog is capable of doing but hey I know how to control every move he makes! To say that they could never be trusted to even have under control is the most sickest shit I have ever heard of, and it makes me very sad to see people owning these dogs and lacking the understanding of -for one thing it is a "DOG" and if you think a pit is something else then "ok you can think that"! but all breeds have their own abilities, but hey! guess what? we control them they do not control us! if you people have so much knowledge and pride in this breed then why is it, its seems you may be the destruction of the American pit bull terrier with this info? you people are right to confine and own a aggressive dog in the ways you do, because you like game dogs = fighers/highpreydrive/etc. but then what are you telling the public or others? yeah I own a really great breed, but he can't be letout,trusted,or even considered a chance to be a real dog. the bullshit on these dogs are bred not to have pack behavior is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of. yes! they may be more independent/leaders, but I can assure u they do/will live in a pack! if you put these dogs on a island together I can assure you that a pack would form in some way or another. I love this breed and support these dogs to the max!- but never would I tell people they are great for everyone. if the people who posted yeah I keep them chained and secure/etc, were to lose that dog=you have just messed up man! because for one thing you would be a disgrace to this breeds reputation. 2nd your dog is dead. and why tell people who own these dogs as house pets that this is how you own the breed? you people want your dog like this and follow the rules to keep him like this which is ok . but to advertise this site as a helpful site for new /pit bull owners is not that cool! I respect that you people are into game dogs but there are other things to do with your pit bulls, even being a police dog in which you have to know how to control your dogs behavior aggression.
Considering that they were bred to be dog aggressive, I highly doubt they would form friendly packs.

[Unregistered]

of course they fight, but to obtain leadership. read a book on how the wolf acts in a pack. they hurt and fight each other, but it is natural behavior

[WWII]

of course they fight, but to obtain leadership. read a book on how the wolf acts in a pack. they hurt and fight each other, but it is natural behavior
Except these dogs were bred to fight to the death. I can promise you wolves aren't like that.

[Mrsdano]

Except these dogs were bred to fight to the death. I can promise you wolves aren't like that.
Actually I believe they were bred to take down Bulls way back when and also to hunt bear, lion's and other such large animals.

[J Henry]

.you people are very right, they are bred to be fighters. I understand what my dog is capable of doing but hey I know how to control every move he makes! To say that they could never be trusted to even have under control is the most sickest shit I have ever heard of, and it makes me very sad to see people owning these dogs and lacking the understanding of -for one thing it is a "DOG" and if you think a pit is something else then "ok you can think that"! but all breeds have their own abilities, but hey! guess what? we control them they do not control us! if you people have so much knowledge and pride in this breed then why is it, its seems you may be the destruction of the American pit bull terrier with this info? you people are right to confine and own a aggressive dog in the ways you do, because you like game dogs = fighers/highpreydrive/etc. but then what are you telling the public or others? yeah I own a really great breed, but he can't be letout,trusted,or even considered a chance to be a real dog. the bullshit on these dogs are bred not to have pack behavior is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of. yes! they may be more independent/leaders, but I can assure u they do/will live in a pack! if you put these dogs on a island together I can assure you that a pack would form in some way or another. I love this breed and support these dogs to the max!- but never would I tell people they are great for everyone. if the people who posted yeah I keep them chained and secure/etc, were to lose that dog=you have just messed up man! because for one thing you would be a disgrace to this breeds reputation. 2nd your dog is dead. and why tell people who own these dogs as house pets that this is how you own the breed? you people want your dog like this and follow the rules to keep him like this which is ok . but to advertise this site as a helpful site for new /pit bull owners is not that cool! I respect that you people are into game dogs but there are other things to do with your pit bulls, even being a police dog in which you have to know how to control your dogs behavior aggression.I hope that you can control your dogs. I can control mine too!! What I was saying is that they do have a drive to fight and you have to take into fact Murphy's Law.....What can go wrong, possibly can and will go wrong. To say that we are doing a discredit to the breed by telling the truth about them, I don't understand. One must understand the core of the breed so they know what they are getting into. How are we going to help new owners to understand the true nature of the breed if the truth is not told.

[DryCreek]

What would help our breed would be for everyone to actually realize that a dog who has a high drive to fight other dogs, and is raised well socialized, does NOT one day switch over and decide to eat your neighbors child for dinner. ALSO, get over the fact that these are not babies or children, they are ANIMALS, which means they react like animals. You can train them to a point, but they are still ANIMALS. Respect them as such. All incidents that I read about include HUMAN error. Lots of the time its pure stupidity. Controlling your animals is important, but not as important as understanding them and being prepared for any situation. No one ever has total control of anything, there are to many variables to have total control......

[SEAL]

dog agression isnt necessary for the breed any longer so i simply wouldnt breed that dog. most people on this forum would disagree with me and say that your breeding the game out of it but i think that dog agression and gameness are not synanomous. you can have perfectly game dogs and they dont have to be dog agressive. either learn to split your time between animals or find him a new home where he is the only pet.

[tommy3]

.you people are very right, they are bred to be fighters. I understand what my dog is capable of doing but hey I know how to control every move he makes! To say that they could never be trusted to even have under control is the most sickest shit I have ever heard of, and it makes me very sad to see people owning these dogs and lacking the understanding of -for one thing it is a "DOG" and if you think a pit is something else then "ok you can think that"! but all breeds have their own abilities, but hey! guess what? we control them they do not control us! if you people have so much knowledge and pride in this breed then why is it, its seems you may be the destruction of the American pit bull terrier with this info? you people are right to confine and own a aggressive dog in the ways you do, because you like game dogs = fighers/highpreydrive/etc. but then what are you telling the public or others? yeah I own a really great breed, but he can't be letout,trusted,or even considered a chance to be a real dog. the bullshit on these dogs are bred not to have pack behavior is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of. yes! they may be more independent/leaders, but I can assure u they do/will live in a pack! if you put these dogs on a island together I can assure you that a pack would form in some way or another. I love this breed and support these dogs to the max!- but never would I tell people they are great for everyone. if the people who posted yeah I keep them chained and secure/etc, were to lose that dog=you have just messed up man! because for one thing you would be a disgrace to this breeds reputation. 2nd your dog is dead. and why tell people who own these dogs as house pets that this is how you own the breed? you people want your dog like this and follow the rules to keep him like this which is ok . but to advertise this site as a helpful site for new /pit bull owners is not that cool! I respect that you people are into game dogs but there are other things to do with your pit bulls, even being a police dog in which you have to know how to control your dogs behavior aggression.You can claim to be able to control your dog all you want. Just remember that when your so-called controlled dog attacks another one because you think it is safe to let it play with other dogs, we told you so. You cannot control genetics. I hope you will be ready for the legal problems and the added scar to breed that you can possibly cause.
These dogs are NOT like other dogs. Other dogs are not bred to kill other dogs. Other dogs attain a pack order through threat displays. They obtain this order through dominance. They never kill each other. It is mostly threat displays and they rarely even attack each other. On the other hand, APBTs are bred to not display threats but to attack first. They do not attack to establish a social order. They attack because it is bred into them. These dog's pack is their master and their family. They are perfectly happy with this. These are not your regular dogs. It is a sad reality, but you must accept the dog's history and behavior. If you can't accept these facts, what are you doing with an APBT? These dogs past and behavior are what make them the affectionate, loyal, eager to please dogs that they are. If you can't accept it, you will, without a doubt, become another problem within the breed. Of course, it won't be on purpose but irresponsible ownership includes not knowing/accepting the facts concerning these dogs and their behavior (most importantly, their genetic drive for extreme dog aggression).
To be a responsible owner and to be a benefit to the breed, you must accept this and take the necessary precautions to keep the dogs safe from each other.

[SouthernDixie]

I trained mine, socialized mine, and let her play with many other dogs. Very trained and obedient. Yep. Went for a walk a few weekends ago and it's basically got me so nervous about walking her that I still haven't taken her out yet. Some big dog (unleashed) approached us and the look on my dog's eyes was utterly frightening. She went for that dog but thank goodness I was there and could drag, yes drag, her away. Luckily the dog didn't approach further and I got mine to settle.

But I thought I had it trained out of her.... well I thought wrong.

[J Henry]

I trained mine, socialized mine, and let her play with many other dogs. Very trained and obedient. Yep. Went for a walk a few weekends ago and it's basically got me so nervous about walking her that I still haven't taken her out yet. Some big dog (unleashed) approached us and the look on my dog's eyes was utterly frightening. She went for that dog but thank goodness I was there and could drag, yes drag, her away. Luckily the dog didn't approach further and I got mine to settle.

But I thought I had it trained out of her.... well I thought wrong.I am glad that you got away without anything happening, but now you know that you can not train it out of them. When I take mine out I am always on the look out for strays and have a breaking stick with me, never had to use it but it is with me just incase.

[SEAL]

peppa spray works well on the other dog makes it back down so you dont have to get your dog rapped up with another. but a break stick is a good idea too.

[SouthernDixie]

I am glad that you got away without anything happening, but now you know that you can not train it out of them. When I take mine out I am always on the look out for strays and have a breaking stick with me, never had to use it but it is with me just incase.
Oh yea I know. I have heard over and over again that you can train it out of them... lol... Me trying to prove the experts wrong again kicked me in the ass!
I don't have a problem with her being dog aggressive - hell it's what she was bred to be. I just wanted her to be safe enough around the public or other neighborhood dogs.

Now my pup - he's a different story lol. I was researching personalities and he fits the "High Prey" and "High Fight" category. I don't there there will be any problem with him being around other dogs, do you? lol

[J Henry]

Oh yea I know. I have heard over and over again that you can train it out of them... lol... Me trying to prove the experts wrong again kicked me in the ass!
I don't have a problem with her being dog aggressive - hell it's what she was bred to be. I just wanted her to be safe enough around the public or other neighborhood dogs.

Now my pup - he's a different story lol. I was researching personalities and he fits the "High Prey" and "High Fight" category. I don't there there will be any problem with him being around other dogs, do you? lolI understand that you want your dogs not to be a problem around other dogs but it is something that you should always keep in mind, that could happen, one never knows what is going to get them fired up. I have had dogs that would not do a thing until they were jumped on and then they would fire up. I have also had dogs that would scream and whine to get to any dog they seen. To me it is not that big of a deal. I just take the percautions and steps when I am working them off my yard. Like walking them in an open feild where I know I am not going to come across another dog. I would not try to take that out of them for that is what they live for and what they are. to take that from them is a crime, JMO. If your pup has a high prey drive and "high fight" I would take the steps to keep him from other dogs. Better safe than sorry. He is doing what comes naturaly to him. Good luck with your dogs.