100% zebo is she good folks?????

[marcw1]

Im planning to by this bitch 100% zebo

Anybody tell me your opinion, and i read that zebo lines makes you look like fools:) please tell me some more about that:)

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[440rider]

here's some zebo for you....http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=156330
that ped you have there has alot more vindicator, and mike than zebo blood..King elvis I isnt even off zebo..if you want some good zebo blood go with heavy bred nigger toby.

[marcw1]

PLEASE TELL ME SOME MORE ABOUT ZEBO!!!!!!!

IM STILL ALITTLE GREEN ON THAT AREA:o

[440rider]

ADAMS' GR. CH. ZEBO ROM
In the early 1970's, in North Carolina, was a young fancier named Lonzo Pratt who was just starting in th dog game and was purchasing and breeding some well bred dogs from known dog men. He had purchased a young tested gyp from J. Loposay by the name of Fay, who was sold because she turned cold and wouldn't start for Jack Kelly and was left on Loposay's yard by Pete Sparks. After numerous breedings Lonzo struck fame from one breeding that conatined three males and two females. The two females were Lena and Rosie, the males were Crush, Vindicator, and Zero. Of the three males Zero and Vindicator would distinguish themselves as great match dogs. The better of the two was Zero, as Zebo was originally named, who gained his fame as a match dog and producer. In all, this black 40-44 lb. dog won a total of seven contract matches, thus becoming a registered Grand Champion, a Register Of Merit sire, and a member of the Bulldog Hall Of Fame, the only dog to be recognized by these three honors.
Zebo's career began on the yard of Lester Hughes, "The Mountain Man", where he won four times, all quick kills. After his fourth he was shipped to the yard of Grady Cummings and while there, Cummings' Red Fox made the mistake of getting off his leash and ran into Zebo and was killed. Grady then made Lester get Zebo off of his yard. Zebo was then sold to Dave Adams' of Ohio, of whom Zebo is best associated with. At first Mr. Hughes hadn't intended on selling Zebo, but Mr. Adams came up with enough money to change his mind.
Unfortunately, Zebo attacked Mr. Adams' son and nearly took his son's ear off. After the request of Mr. Adams' wife, Zebo was sold again, this time to Mr. Johnson who fought him twice more. The last time to a son of his litter mate brother, Vindicator. Mr. Johnson hoped to get another match in, but was unable to find any takers, despite the fact that Zebo was past seven at this point.* Thus, Zebo was retired to stud, and lived to the age of 13, siring his last litter days before his death.
Zebo produced Stepp's Ch. Willie and Adams' Ch. Katy when bred to Tomsic's Spider ROM. Ch. Willie was, as said by some, to have the same destructive force of his sire, by killing each of his opponents in times of :27, :54, and :29 minutes. Others produced by Zebo were Ch. Ruby, Ch. Abuelita, Ch. Zipper, Ch. Diamond Jim, Clemmon's 2XW Z-Boy, Nigger Tobe, Super Gnat's 2XW Blackie and Hughes' Gator just to name a few of the good dogs he sired. He is the grand sire to some great ones like Doc's Ch. Moe who was a Grand Champion until he ran into Red B's Ch. Charlie. Many said that Moe went to the well one time too many in his loss against Charlie. After his victories over Ch. Fargo and his brother Basket, too much was taken out of him to go into a much younger dog like Charlie.
The breeding that produced Zebo and his litter mates was one of those outstanding litters that come only once in a while. Basically this breeding was a Dibo/ Old Family Red Nose/ Colby cross, which explains why all of Zebo's litter mates were red or red/ red nosed. But where did this one black dog come from? Many speculate Zebo wasn't bred as represented, for one Mr. Hughes purchased Zebo from Lonzo without any papers. Some claimed Mr. Hughes sold many different Zebo's. And a lot claim Zebo to be a half brother to another famous pair, Eli, Jr. and Bullyson. Although, Lonzo's Andy was a black dog himself and Zebo through nothing but black dogs, even when bred to various, different colored females, it still remains a question in a lot of people's minds.

[marcw1]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VERY INFORMATIVE!!!!!!


i READ HERE ON THE FORUM THEY MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE FOOLS, CAN YOU EXPLANE THAT A BIT........:confused:

[14rock]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VERY INFORMATIVE!!!!!!


i READ HERE ON THE FORUM THEY MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE FOOLS, CAN YOU EXPLANE THAT A BIT........:confused: They tend to quit on a hunt, even if they are on top.

[GD2]

14 Rock That Was Some Great Info.

[GuidoandDiesel]

Yea great info. Pretty looking dog btw.

[Atwater27]

ADAMS' GR. CH. ZEBO ROM
Unfortunately, Zebo attacked Mr. Adams' son and nearly took his son's ear off.
I'm just researching which dog I should buy and was wondering if these dogs still had this problem of being manbiters.

Please PM me as any info would be greately appreciated

[FREDDLOVE1]

thats a tight ped are you doing any breeding.if so call me ***-***-**** NO Phone *s allowed***here's some zebo for you....http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=156330
that ped you have there has alot more vindicator, and mike than zebo blood..King elvis I isnt even off zebo..if you want some good zebo blood go with heavy bred nigger toby.

[Dred Lok Kennels]

Get it from provin stock and you'll be ok one more thing there are know "pure" Zebo bulldogs anywhere the only "pure" Zebo bulldogs was Zebo himself and about these dogs makeing people look like fools don't get sucked into that first find out for yourself what a good bulldog "looks" like and judge for yourself these dog if proven and bred right will and do throw just as good or better then any of your so called popular lines I had just about all of them and I would'nt trade what I have for anything and I'v been at this for over 20 years I don't claim to have the best but I would'nt trade them for none of the rest...

Dred Lok Kennels http://dredlokkennels.tripod.com/
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=159878

P.S. I'm not trying to sell anything here just want my man to see a very good bulldog down from Zebo blood.....

[ABK]

I think the reason Lonzo (& others) promote Lonzo dogs as "pure Zebo" is b/c Lonzo dogs have more of the component blood that went into Zebo. Now other lines may have more Zebo by the numbers, but it is crossed. For example, Toby blood is Zebo x Eli, Luniewski blood is Zebo x Sorrells/Snooty, Thunder Knls blood is Zebo x Charlie (Jeep).

Lonzo blood meanwhile is not only made up of Zebo blood but also the blood of Zebo's brothers, sisters, half sibs, neices & nephews. Almost every dog in the pedigree of a Lonzo dog is either off of Zebo or kin to Zebo. Because of this, Lonzo dogs actually have more "Zebo blood" (meaning the component blood that created Zebo) than other lines do.

However, if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, even Lonzo dogs aren't truly pure Zebo b/c Lonzo has done outcrosses to dogs such as Hand's Bet Twice (Corvino/Ruffian), Coggins' Little Wild Thing (Snooty/Bullett) & Buck's Ginger (Snooty/Mims).

Hope this helps! ;)

[planecrazy]

I thought I would resurrect this old thread about Zebo blood. I once met a guy at an ADBA show with a couple of red, red nose from Lonzo. They were small and jacked. They were awesome looking dogs. So I was wondering if anyone has bought a dog from Lonzo lately and if you recommend him as a breeder?
I'm just researching which dog I should buy and was wondering if these dogs still had this problem of being manbiters.

I don’t know much about Zebo dogs, but with two little kids I do worry about man biters. Is this an issue with modern day Zebo blood?
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Thanks!

[bryant'smissy]

what the ped on this dog Hand's Bet Twice which was said to have been bred into lonzo's line.

[clmr]

Marcw1,
First off, IMO she's NOT a 100% Zebo bred dog. Let me ask you this, does the pup look like Zebo? Does her sire or dam even look like Zebo? Is the sire or dam even off of Zebo? How many generations in the pups pedigree do you have to go back to even see Zebo's name listed? Go to peds on-line, pull the pups ped up, click on pedigree statistics and see what percent value is given to Zebo in your pups pedigree.
Let's go another route. Maybe the breeder can tell you what traits the sire and dam possess. Are they the same traits that Zebo possessed? Is the sire or dam, or both, high percentage producers? Are they off of high percentage producers?
Why do they make you look like fools? IMO most of them NEVER meet the APBT standard, very low, and I mean low production percentages.
Manbiters, when you visit the yard to pickup the pup, walk over to the sire and dam and others on the yard, and insist on petting every dog on the yard. You'll know real quick, and if the breeder doesn't recommend it, run to your car as fast as you can with your money and head to the house.
IMO, the Panther bred dogs are about as close to a Zebo dog you're going to get, and the production percentages are way higher than the Lonzo stuff. But beware, every now and then they'll throw one that'll get in your britches, just like Zebo.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=60654 Stan the Man was a DOY......

[clmr]

Bryant'sMissy, here's the ped on Hand's Bet Twice http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=9112 hope this help's ya.

[erik152]

The Zebo dogs from wat i have seen and read tend to be short and stocky they look nothing like Zebo. ive talked to the Mt Man and he has told me he was the hardest biting dog back in his times.Later he sold it to a fellow in Ohio but he dosent believe that he produced anything the only good dog he heard from was tarheel Matt Panther and he was a big SOB and from what ive seen Panther does look like Zebo.L.P had the whole litter at the time MT Man bought zebo and when he was at his yard zebo bit him and in Ohio he bit a Kids faece off thats why he was sold to another DOg man as far as Zebo being a good producer goes Mt Man from his own mouth has said that he produced nothing.Mt Man Has Said That Ch.homer bit as hard as zebo and was better producer than zebo

[Mr Mark]

LOL! I love it when I hear how a ROM dog produced nothing, lmao!

[TheVictor22]

I'm just researching which dog I should buy and was wondering if these dogs still had this problem of being manbiters.

Please PM me as any info would be greately appreciated


My understanding of Zebo being a man biter is that every time it happened the person who was bit was in his enclosure unattended by Zebo's owner. Or doin something they were not supposed to be doin..... Now I don't know cuz I'm only 23yrs old I wasn't there. Nor have I met anyone who saw Zebo bite anyone. So it's just hear say. but that's what I got.

As you can see ABK is very knowledgable on this line :D. Maybe she can chim in and give a better responce to his man biting history.

Vic

[maximuskennel]

I own a Zebo/Vindicator/Rosie female and I am more that pleased of her.
She's strong great acting little female:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=229753
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr255/maximuskennel/HPIM8767.jpg
The truth in zebo/vindy bred dogs is that they have to be bred right and You should have alot of patiency to let them fully matured. Some of them are little shy towards people, but they are very intelligent and tender animals.

[bradyFL]

sorry if this is inappropriate... but this an article on zebo, i can't remember where i got it from...

Adam's Gr Ch Zebo
I’ll begin the true story of the dog named "Zebo" by going straight to his most famous match. This match was against a dog called Yuebank’s "Champion Greaser". In this match Zebo went uphill almost four pounds and won in one hour and fifty seven minutes. Greaser was renounced to be "unbeatable" at 44 pounds.

"That black dog is a cur!" came the yell from the top of the stands. The noise in the barn dropped so quickly it was scary. It got so quiet the sound of the dogs feet scraping on the tarp could be heard, as every eye in the barn looked up to see who had labeled a dog that had never turned or hesitated in his life a "cur". I thought big trouble lay only seconds away, as a slur like that cannot be ignored. The "Black Dog’s" handler looked up to the top row where the voice had come from and said, "I don’t appreciate you calling my dog a cur!" The words, though soft spoken, carried a message of seriousness, and then the handler’s wife said, "After this match is over, you climb in the pit with my husband and we’ll see who’s the cur." This happened during one of the best matches and biggest upsets I’ve seen since I started in the sport. Both sides thought they had trapped the other side by running in an "ace" on their opponent’s "average" dog. How wrong they both were. Champion Zebo was the "Black Dog" and Champion Greaser was the brindle. How they came to meet on a cool night in a barn in Ohio, is a complicated but interesting story. Champion Greaser was being campaigned at 44 pounds in and around Oklahoma and Champion Zebo was being matched around North Carolina at 40 pounds. "Greaser" was an extremely smart defensive type of dog that could really bite. He’d gained his deserved reputation by proving this in his first four matches against dogs that were not pushovers.

Likewise, so had "Zebo". The difference being "Zebo’s" matches were short ones, lasting only 22,26,17 and 33 minutes, all kills. After his fourth win, a man named Adams bought "Zebo" and took him back up north to Ohio. Adams had a friend named Hudson who had matched a dog at 44 pounds into a father and son team from St. Louis. Hudson’s dog was from Maurice Carver, and was a two time winner at 44 pounds named "Hudson’s Tex". Hudson was a nice fellow but, could really get on your nerves bragging so much on his dog, because it was "Tex" this and "Tex" that, for as long as you would listen. I guess the team from St. Louis got tired of listening and just figured they would whip old "Tex" and shut Hudson up. Now, when you matched into this father and son team, you had better do three things, get a good dog, have the dog in good shape, and say your favorite prayer. As luck, or fate, or whatever you desire to call it goes, Tex got hurt in a chain fight and Hudson was going to have to pay the forfeit. Rather than give away money, he called Adams and offered Adams a deal. If Adams would take over the match with Zebo and win, Hudson would split the winnings with him and, if he lost Hudson would pay the whole bet. Adams had been walking Zebo and cutting his weight, for at that time there was a big convention in Mexico being matched up and Adams had turned Zebo’s weight in. The Mexican Convention was supposed to be the biggest and best ever put on but, the law intervened and it never did come about. Adams didn’t know the convention would fall apart, but he thought that as he had almost three months until the Mexican convention and Tex’s match was only three weeks away, that he could take over Tex’s match and win without getting hurt too much and still be healthy and set Zebo down in the Mexican convention. So, he agreed to take over the match, but told his backer that if Zebo wasn’t way ahead at 30 minutes he was going to pick him up, because he wanted to match him in the Big Convention. Hudson agreed to this as with Zebo’s kill record…he would rather gamble and give up a few pounds to make it number 5 than give up the forfeit. Meanwhile, out in St. Louis, the "team" had a dog that was considered to be the best 44 pounder of his time. This Greaser had started out being called Yuebanks’ Greaser. If my information is correct, Yuebanks’ campaigned Greaser in his first four matches. All wins over some highly regarded opponents. Greaser had given his fans real reason to call him the best 44 pounder alive, as his opponents were good caliber dogs like Moloney’s Alligator and Mayfield’s Go Devils. The "Team" purchased Greaser especially for the Tex match since old Tex was a good dog in his own rights and the "team" knew they had to have an above average dog in order to beat Tex (how and why the "team" got Greaser is only hearsay on my part, the point is Greaser was the best 44 pounder alive. And he was the dog they had to use on Tex.) So we have the stage set. The Ohio boys have an "Ace" named Zebo, which the "team" doesn’t know about. And the "team" has an "ace" named Greaser tuning up that the Ohio boys don’t know about. Before we tell this story of the "Battle of Champions", let’s go back and find out how Zebo got here.

"Zebo" began his life in the yard of a fancier named "Lonzo". Zebo won several "off the chain" matches while owned by "Lonzo", but as Lonzo had too many dogs at the time; he sold Zebo to a man named Hughes. There were four males in Zebo’s litter, Lonzo told me that all four were game but two were above average in ability. Zebo, and his brother "Vindicator". Lonzo personally liked Vindicator and his sister "Rosie" had been born red; he kept them because they stood out in the litter of all black pups.

Zebo had been called "Zero" until Mr. Hughes bought him. When the papers came back from U.K.C. they read "Hughes’ Zebo". I guess the gods of war intervened and named him, because after he started being called Zebo his fame started to grow. As stated before, Mr. Hughes killed four in a row with Zebo winning two "Best in Show’s" with him while doing so. The last at a convention in Alabama. When Mr. Hughes purchased Zebo, he had been rolled uphill into a catchweight dog that had destroyed the muscle tissue in Zebo’s left shoulder. Mr. Hughes’ good friend, a man named Cable, took Zebo to his Vet and had the shoulder reconstructed. Zebo carried that scar with him to the grave, but you could only see it good when he shed his winter coat. You could see it at other times but not really get the idea of how bad he’d been hurt. An interesting side note is that Zebo was almost matched to go into "Davis’ Grand Champion Boomerang" but the match fell through when Davis took on an easier opponent. As Mr. Hughes puts it, "We were seriously trying to agree on matching Zebo and Boomerang. When I found out it was Boomerang, I was going into, I knew Zebo had a real job ahead of him, and I know Davis felt the same way. When I learned that Davis had went ahead and contracted to match into a different dog on the same slate we were negotiating for, I sure didn’t call him up and complain, for I feel for sure one of us would have lost a damn good dog. Naturally, I believe it would have been Davis’." Mr. Hughes matched Zebo in Alabama for his fourth win, where Mr. Adams saw Zebo for the first time. During this match, Zebo had his opponent down and was working his favorite hold, the brisket. The down dog’s handler asked Mr. Hughes if Zebo had really killed three dogs in three matches. Mr. Hughes replied, "Yes, he did and son, if you don’t get yours up off the floor, he’ll kill this one too." Mr. Hughes proved to be a prophet that night as in 23 minutes his prediction became true. Mr. Adams asked Mr. Hughes what he’d take for Zebo. Mr. Hughes said, "If I was to sell this dog, I’d have to have…" and he named a price that was totally unheard of in those days, even for a bulldog of Zebo’s caliber. Adams returned to Ohio, but the thought of owning a dog like Zebo was too much for him. He called Mr. Hughes and told him he had decided owning Zebo was worth the price Mr. Hughes had named. Adams would tell later that it was like carrying one of Mr. Hughes’ kids away when he picked Zebo up, for Mr. Hughes really didn’t want to sell him. Mr. Hughes is a tough man, but I imagine those Carolina mountains seemed pretty empty the night Zebo left. The old dog had become as one of the family and would protect his owner with his life. Mr. Hughes said Zebo wouldn’t bother anyone unless they went to shake hands or slap him on the shoulder or something like that, then he would have to grab Zebo quick or someone would get bit. They tell the story of how Mr. Hughes was driving back from a trip and got road weary and sleepy. He pulled over and laid down in the seat of the car to rest, knowing Zebo would protect him while he slept...................

[bradyFL]

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He forgot that Zebo hadn’t been fed, and when he woke up his leather belt was gone. Zebo had eaten his leather belt right off of him while he was asleep. A new belt didn’t cost that much, but trying to explain where the old one went can get a man in trouble. They claim Zebo sided with the wife this time.

When Zebo arrived in Ohio, he caused a sensation among local fanciers. But, his win record and short matches made people wonder about his heart. No one knew of the catchweight roll and men like the famous Harry Clark, who was still living then, started telling stories of dogs they had known that could really bite, but wouldn’t stay. So, a cloud started to block the sun on Zebo’s reputation. Everyone stood in awe of his record, but many had secret doubts of his courage, because of the old timer’s stories of "hardmouth, no heart" dogs from the past. Mr. Adams had more visitors wanting to see Zebo than if he’d been giving away 10 dollar bills. All you could hear locally was Zebo.

Then it became time to put up or shut up for old Zebo, for Adams announced he was taking over Hudson’s match. The night of the battle of Champions arrived, with only Greaser’s side knowing now that they were going into Zebo. When they arrived, they wanted to see this "killer dog" they were matched into and laughingly said, "He don’t look like no killer to us." Adams, nor any of his backers, knew Zebo was going into a 4 x winner. They should have suspected something for fanciers from out west had driven all the way to Ohio to see Greaser knock off this killer dog. Jimmy Jobe, the editor of Pit Dog Report – a Mayfield magazine for bulldogs, drove all the way and didn’t even mention the match in his magazine. This match was one of the best kept secrets in the dog world and when the story of it taking place did start to circulate, the match was down played. The first report of it anywhere (that I am or was aware of) was in Richard Stratton’s book. When you read the account, it tends to make you believe Zebo "got lucky" and hurt Greaser bad at the beginning of the match. This is false as, Greaser was on all fours late in the fight. When the dogs were weighed, Zebo weighed just over 40 pounds. Greaser hit the scales at exactly 44 pounds.

As Adams circulated among his backers before the match, he reminded everyone that he was giving up 4 pounds and was going to pick Zebo up at 30 minutes because he’d only worked him for three weeks and 4 pounds was too much to spot. As they released the two champions, you could bet all you wanted on Zebo and get odds of 3 to 1 or three hundred against your one hundred. As bets were laid and odds were taken, the name Greaser started to finally slip out. Zebo’s backers were aware finally that this was not going to be a walk over. People started to worry about their bet because Adams had warned that he was gone at 30 if Zebo wasn’t way ahead. Adams said later, "When Dogman and Johnson called me to the side of the pit at about the five minute mark, and told me they recognized the brindle dog as CH. Greaser, any thought of picking Zebo up at thirty minutes was gone. I knew I would let him battle as long as he had any chance to win. I realized that I didn’t have to go to Mexico to prove that Zebo was a great dog, the chance had come to me." As the match progressed, it could be basically reported in two sentences…."Greaser is extremely smart on defense and punishes Zebo bad about the head. Zebo is extremely smart on getting to the brisket and punishes Greaser bad in the chest." That is how close the match was. You would think that the four pounds would tip the scales in Greaser’s favor, but Zebo was ever so gradually getting a little bit deeper in the chest and even though Greaser was as smart as ever relying on defense, he was forced to allow Zebo in more often as the match grew older. The following is an accurate account of the match as can be made but, remember as you read this excerpt from Mr. Stratton’s book, that in this writer’s opinion ( and I was there), Zebo took Greaser down a notch at a time over the entire match, where here it tends to make you think that Greaser was destroyed early.

[SPFDOGS]

The Zebo dogs from wat i have seen and read tend to be short and stocky they look nothing like Zebo. ive talked to the Mt Man and he has told me he was the hardest biting dog back in his times.Later he sold it to a fellow in Ohio but he dosent believe that he produced anything the only good dog he heard from was tarheel Matt Panther and he was a big SOB and from what ive seen Panther does look like Zebo.L.P had the whole litter at the time MT Man bought zebo and when he was at his yard zebo bit him and in Ohio he bit a Kids faece off thats why he was sold to another DOg man as far as Zebo being a good producer goes Mt Man from his own mouth has said that he produced nothing.Mt Man Has Said That Ch.homer bit as hard as zebo and was better producer than zebo

Hmmm..Did the Mountain Man tell you this, or did you read this in WSK's book?.
Zebo never produced anything?.What about Willie, Ruby, Diamond Jim, Zipper, Nigger Toby, etc?.All of these animals made a name for themselves and were off of Zebo, unlike Panther (whom you lead to believe is off Zebo) who was off a daughter of Zebo and in my opinion looked nothing like him..