My new female!!! What do you think?

[Brothermarree]

http://www.geocities.com/contender_kennels/smallchacha.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=120737) How she look to you?

[XxKonnectionsxX]

Other than the picture being a little stretched, I believe the dog looks very nice!! Good luck with her.

[Brothermarree]

I prefered an adult female, I was looking for a smaller female to cross to my male, plus I want to add more drive for weightpulling.

[DragOnRE2]

wish i had her...looks official..

[ghost 1]

I prefered an adult female, I was looking for a smaller female to cross to my male, plus I want to add more drive for weightpulling.
thats what I done took my ADBA reg large male and bred him to my ADBA reg small female to produce smaller but wider and stronger pits

[miakoda]

to produce smaller but wider
What is the deal with short & wide? These dogs weren't meant to be "shorter" & "wider". That's what English Bulldogs were bred to be like. Wider is undesirable.....it leaves more open.

[SEAL]

id have to say its a pretty female. but i agree with mia why the urge for short wide dogs why not something more athletic looking?

[americandream]

thats what makes a APBT fun...... difference in looks. everyone likes different types. its like humans everyones built different. i like the short and wide but also agile. who needs a dog with "less open"? fighting is illigal.... right? no need for that. so why not have one bad ass looking dog with a heart of gold?

about the female shes a beauty! i like her crop job as well.

[CB]

I like more of the Long legged dogs that are kinda skinny that has a nice tucked in stomach with a little bit of ribs showing. Not really into the short stocky dogs .

[rocksteady]

so why not have one bad ass looking dog with a heart of gold?I think we've been over this several times... why then have a breed standard or even have a breed if people are going to mutilate it to suit their own tastes.
And besides, if you have one because its bad ass looking, you have it for the wrong wrong wrong wrong reasons...

[Brothermarree]

Not my goal to produce short and stocky. I want to reproduce my dog Consistantly-He's tall and thick with a LOT of agility and movement but hardly no hops LOL Anyway Breeding him to a large female might slow down his offspring or make "BULLIES" and that's not my goal. SHORT AND WIDE IS NOT MY GOAL!!!

[ChAnimal]

Not my goal to produce short and stocky. I want to reproduce my dog Consistantly-He's tall and thick with a LOT of agility and movement but hardly no hops LOL Anyway Breeding him to a large female might slow down his offspring or make "BULLIES" and that's not my goal. SHORT AND WIDE IS NOT MY GOAL!!!
Wait a sec guys look through pit history and ull always see short stocky dogs, that cant be helped some come out that way. Most of these stocky dogs are dogs that hunt very rough and tend not to have one defensive bone in their body. I LIKE EM!!!!!!!!!!!

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

yea, thats what its all about.:rolleyes:

so why not have one bad ass looking dog with a heart of gold?

[whiteyransom]

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What is the deal with short & wide? These dogs weren't meant to be "shorter" & "wider". That's what English Bulldogs were bred to be like. Wider is undesirable.....it leaves more open.
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yeah, breed to an english,,,as long as you pay the price somebody will give you papers saying it's a pit. if your dog is 100% apbt blood,,sorry about the misunderstanding.
the dog pictured is nice lookin. but there needs to be a picture of the dog that isn't stretched like that.

[Brothermarree]

Check my Gallery and Both my dogs a 100% APBT

[Brothermarree]

White me and your dog share some of the same Re Devil Dogs!!!!! =+)

[houstonapbt]

yea, thats what its all about.:rolleyes: Lmao. Oh and to Ms. Booty, why does "less open" have to refer to fighting? Look like your the one with fighting on your mind. I think Miakoda hunts her dogs...you want "less open" to the hog or w/e is being hunted.

Nice lookin' dog, let's see the ped.

[Brothermarree]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=120737

[ghost 1]

What is the deal with short & wide? These dogs weren't meant to be "shorter" & "wider". That's what English Bulldogs were bred to be like. Wider is undesirable.....it leaves more open.

the reason i said that is,,,my male is huge and my female is a regular apbt, small to me ,, i'm 5 ft 9 in and i can put my hand to my side and almost stratch his back, in one photo in my gallery there is a office type chair next to him look at the chair and look at him,,, but i don't like what i call a dashound pit,,,lmao

[ghost 1]

Not my goal to produce short and stocky. I want to reproduce my dog Consistantly-He's tall and thick with a LOT of agility and movement but hardly no hops LOL Anyway Breeding him to a large female might slow down his offspring or make "BULLIES" and that's not my goal. SHORT AND WIDE IS NOT MY GOAL!!!

this is exactly what i was saying too,,

[whiteyransom]

Check my Gallery and Both my dogs a 100% APBT
<!-- / message --><!-- sig --> wasn't referring to your dog b.m. was referring to the person trying to "widen"up their dog. and i know all about your dogs bro!! i got your pm,,there wasn't a reply on it!!was that a mess up or what?? pm me !!

[ChAnimal]

wasn't referring to your dog b.m. was referring to the person trying to "widen"up their dog. and i know all about your dogs bro!! i got your pm,,there wasn't a reply on it!!was that a mess up or what?? pm me !!
Thats a very nice ped. She is a Sorrells dog u tend to get some stocky ones in that blood (and they the ones u watch out for!!). Good luck. Do you know why she was sold??

[El Mexicano]

my grandfatehr used to have some real rangy looking sorrels dogs,the way i like them.i think i have a pic of one of them in my pitbull album,ill try to upload it

[Brothermarree]

Sorry White I thought you were talking to me.
ChAnimal she was sold becuase they neede room for thier Rocca Dogs.

[Brothermarree]

White it was supposed to be a list of the dogs you asked for but I've deleted it sorry.
I was clearing out my box which is why I sent it. Sorry.

[miakoda]

who needs a dog with "less open"? fighting is illigal
ummmm, did I ever say anything about fighting? You need to watch what you accuse people of. And "owning a badass dog" is one of the MAIN reasons why we are losing the battles to save this breed every day! People like that (if the shoe fits......) are ruining this breed far worse than the government ever could.

[ghost 1]

yeah, breed to an english,,,as long as you pay the price somebody will give you papers saying it's a pit. if your dog is 100% apbt blood,,sorry about the misunderstanding.
the dog pictured is nice lookin. but there needs to be a picture of the dog that isn't stretched like that.
look at my gallery my female isn't that little,, she's on the sofa,, just very active,,

[ghost 1]

ummmm, did I ever say anything about fighting? You need to watch what you accuse people of. And "owning a badass dog" is one of the MAIN reasons why we are losing the battles to save this breed every day! People like that (if the shoe fits......) are ruining this breed far worse than the government ever could.

i know ppl are so quick to jump without looking and understanding why first,,,as for as fighting goes,,,ppl like thats why we have to fight to keep ours,,' and gives pits a bad rap,,, the truth comes out wif alittle educating,,

[Brothermarree]

Never mind

[whiteyransom]

look at my gallery my female isn't that little,, she's on the sofa,, just very active,,<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->nice lookin dogs ghost,,,love the pic of lil jake

[americandream]

almost all pit bulls are bad ass lookin so its not because of that they are getting banned. its because of these game bred dogs that people let wonder there back yards to excape and kill other dogs or hurt people. but i prefer the U.K.C standard dont they work better for hog hunting? pit bulls come from bull dog and terriers dont they? well some look more like terrier's ADBA and some look a bit more like bull dogs U.K.C go to this site: http://americanpitbullterrier.org and look at conformation and stuff they look awsome. the ukc grand champs are very very good lookin. as well as some in the slide show.

[rocksteady]

LMAO PR..u crack me up ..so PC!!
But anyway.. Im done trying to discuss the issue with you, as "game bred" dogs have been around a hell of alot longer than your big old sherman tank looking bullies. Its not the type of dog, its the OWNER

and.. you do know that the UKC was founded to regster the game bred aka fighting APBT?? WHERE DO YOU THINK PR CAME FROM LOL. Purple Ribbon was given to dogs not only for the gens. registered, but they also had to be PROVEN in the PIT

so dear, that makes u a contradiction .. "PR" lol (nowadays it means nothing)

any way, Im done. I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person .....

[ghost 1]

nice lookin dogs ghost,,,love the pic of lil jake
Thanx,, yea i finally gots one to pose for a pic(Never Happens),,,lol me like brothermarree my male is very athletic but so big just don't do alot of hopping around and my female is all over but it took me almost 4 years to get what I was looking for to breed but i won't breed unless i have a list of ppl who wants one and they have to be someone i know well,,,because i just couldn't fathom the thought of someone fighting one of them,and if i found out they was i go back and get the dog,, I always tell them that before one leaves.

[miakoda]

almost all pit bulls are bad ass lookin so its not because of that they are getting banned Ya think? Actually it IS one of the main reasons because people are acquiring these dogs not because they love them or love the breed, but rather because they will look "cool" & will gain "respect" for having one of these dogs at the end of a leash. These are the people who like their dogs for a little while then move on as they lose interest because something "bigger and badder" comes along. And I do a LOT of research & statistic gathering on all kinds of dog bite cases (because I'm actually trying to fight BSL instead of looking cool), & when they show pictures of these "pit bulls" that have bitten, the majority are over 80lbs & are usually blue. So huh. I have yet to see an 80lb gamedog. And I guess all those that weighed 110lbs+ were gamedogs too. I don't think so. Think back into the early 1900's. The APBT was the most popular dog in the United States. And people didn't have leash laws. But guess what? Those dogs were not going around biting people. But also guess what? At that time, 99.9% of those dogs were gamedogs & were bred to be working dogs. So think about it instead of flappin your gums so much.

but i prefer the U.K.C standard dont they work better for hog hunting? What the hell kind of hogs do y'all hunt? 100lb farm sows? I would never in a million years put a muscle bound too short & too wide UKC standard "pit bull" out in the woods to face an extremely aggitated & agile 300lb boar. That "pit bull" would be killed in an instant. I have yet to see 100lb+ "pit bulls" be truly athletic & agile (chasing down tennis balls or playing tug-o-war doesn't count. Our English Bulldog loved to do that himself). Most of the people who hog hunt prefer their catch dogs to be no larger than 60-65lbs. My family has always been a hunting family. All of us & all of our friends use catch dogs that weigh around 40-55lbs at most. We don't need or want to see the horrible & uneccessary deaths of monster pit bulls as they are fatally injured because they just cannot get out of the way.

the ukc grand champs are very very good lookinIt's clear that these dogs are nothing more than "looks" to you. They are fashion accessories & reputation boosters & ego builders. And that's a shame. A true independent person wouldn't need a dog to give themselves an identity. These are working dogs that are being turned into something that barely even resembles the original & foundation dogs. Take a look at the English Bulldog. Really...take a look. Their life span is 7 yrs. Major concerns include CHD, stenotic nares, elongated soft plalate (which prohibts them from breathing normally & can't be comfortable to live with as they are always feeling as they can't get enough air), shoulder luxation, & internalized tails (which require surgery to correct). They also suffer from entropion, elbow dysplasia, cherry eye, patellar luxation. They are prone to urethral prolapse & vaginal hyperplasia, skin fold dermatitis. It cannot tolerate heat & requires special precautions when anesthetizing one. The majority of them are dysplastic in the hips. And they cannot reproduce nor give birth in a normal fashion (without the intervention of man). All this because humans wanted to have something muscular, short, wide, & that looked "cool". This is where the APBT is going. And I for one would rather see the breed wiped out completely than turned into an animal that lives it's short life in constant pain & suffering all the while we dress it up in spiked harnesses & take pretty pictures of it. They are living, breathing, feeling creatures. They are not toys.

Good day.

[rocksteady]

Its no use Mia.. you simply cannot have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.. or an intelligent conversation with someone that refuses to use their brain....

[whiteyransom]

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lmfao!!!!!ya killin me r.s!!!!

[Brothermarree]

Ya think? Actually it IS one of the main reasons because people are acquiring these dogs not because they love them or love the breed, but rather because they will look "cool" & will gain "respect" for having one of these dogs at the end of a leash. These are the people who like their dogs for a little while then move on as they lose interest because something "bigger and badder" comes along. And I do a LOT of research & statistic gathering on all kinds of dog bite cases (because I'm actually trying to fight BSL instead of looking cool), & when they show pictures of these "pit bulls" that have bitten, the majority are over 80lbs & are usually blue. So huh. I have yet to see an 80lb gamedog. And I guess all those that weighed 110lbs+ were gamedogs too. I don't think so. Think back into the early 1900's. The APBT was the most popular dog in the United States. And people didn't have leash laws. But guess what? Those dogs were not going around biting people. But also guess what? At that time, 99.9% of those dogs were gamedogs & were bred to be working dogs. So think about it instead of flappin your gums so much.

What the hell kind of hogs do y'all hunt? 100lb farm sows? I would never in a million years put a muscle bound too short & too wide UKC standard "pit bull" out in the woods to face an extremely aggitated & agile 300lb boar. That "pit bull" would be killed in an instant. I have yet to see 100lb+ "pit bulls" be truly athletic & agile (chasing down tennis balls or playing tug-o-war doesn't count. Our English Bulldog loved to do that himself). Most of the people who hog hunt prefer their catch dogs to be no larger than 60-65lbs. My family has always been a hunting family. All of us & all of our friends use catch dogs that weigh around 40-55lbs at most. We don't need or want to see the horrible & uneccessary deaths of monster pit bulls as they are fatally injured because they just cannot get out of the way.

It's clear that these dogs are nothing more than "looks" to you. They are fashion accessories & reputation boosters & ego builders. And that's a shame. A true independent person wouldn't need a dog to give themselves an identity. These are working dogs that are being turned into something that barely even resembles the original & foundation dogs. Take a look at the English Bulldog. Really...take a look. Their life span is 7 yrs. Major concerns include CHD, stenotic nares, elongated soft plalate (which prohibts them from breathing normally & can't be comfortable to live with as they are always feeling as they can't get enough air), shoulder luxation, & internalized tails (which require surgery to correct). They also suffer from entropion, elbow dysplasia, cherry eye, patellar luxation. They are prone to urethral prolapse & vaginal hyperplasia, skin fold dermatitis. It cannot tolerate heat & requires special precautions when anesthetizing one. The majority of them are dysplastic in the hips. And they cannot reproduce nor give birth in a normal fashion (without the intervention of man). All this because humans wanted to have something muscular, short, wide, & that looked "cool". This is where the APBT is going. And I for one would rather see the breed wiped out completely than turned into an animal that lives it's short life in constant pain & suffering all the while we dress it up in spiked harnesses & take pretty pictures of it. They are living, breathing, feeling creatures. They are not toys.

Good day.I don't know Mia, Ive seen a R.E. Hogger who was short stocky and muscular.

[JC-Pitbulls]

Yeah , but can it (RE- dog) last with a really good hog. I have seen some hog's (in the woods) give some really , really nice dog's fits.Did you see the dog in a pen or in the woods?

[Brothermarree]

I havn't seen it in person, but they go out to the woods I'll ask for pics

[americandream]

who the hell said anything about 100 lbs dogs? do those ukc grand champs look 100 lbs? i dont own 100lbs dogs either, so i dont know what the hell is up with that comment. i dunno about you but i picked a APBT for there love for people.
dont be acusing me of anything. and about the health problems........ things like entropian, cherry eye ect. ect. ect. they could be fixed very easliy by the vet, unless you are so f***in cheap that cant take your dogs to the vet. im am sick of you guys insaulting my dogs or dog that are like mine. if your gunna keep making rude comments i can too. im more mature then you obviously. its like ADBA dogs dont have health problems, there not superdogs.

'PR' does mean something today conformation wise.

[TabDogs]

'PR' does mean something today conformation wise
Listen little girl...PR doesnt mean a thing..NOTHING. Just that a dog has 7 gens of UKC registered dogs in its ped. WOW...and thats so impressive because?

things like entropian, cherry eye ect. ect. ect. they could be fixed very easliy by the vet, unless you are so fuckin cheap that cant take your dogs to the vet.
LOL....Watch your mouth before you get sent to bed without supper...lol
Sure those problems can be easily fixed BUT, they are still problems. Who said anyone didnt take their animals to the vets?

do those ukc grand champs look 100 lbs?
Yes...slow and sloppy

if your gunna keep making rude comments i can too
is that the best solution you can come up with?

[rocksteady]

lol PR lol ....

I found out the hard way..entropian, cherry eye while CAN be surgicaly treated are also GENETIC DEFECTS meaning if you breed your CH show dog that had one of these, chances are it will pass it along the gene pool. Wow..thats healthy ;) which also brings me to my next point,, since your so big on looks, by fixing the cherry eye you have cosmetically altered your dog and therefore shouldnt be showing it... because its not conformationaly correct to begin with

I guess I fibbed... but come on PR..TEAR DOWN THAT WALL ..LEARN A LITTLE

[whiteyransom]

lmao! this one just keeps goin an goin. what was the original point again??lol i now have to read back a page or two just to see wjhat lead to this!! great

[americandream]

things like entropian, cherry eye ect. ect. ect. they could be fixed very easliy by the vet, unless you are so fuckin cheap that cant take your dogs to the vet.
LOL....Watch your mouth before you get sent to bed without supper...lol
Sure those problems can be easily fixed BUT, they are still problems. Who said anyone didnt take their animals to the vets?
brit had entropian, not it looks like she never even had it. she suffered 3 years of her life with that. and no one got it fixed, but i did.


do those ukc grand champs look 100 lbs?
Yes...slow and sloppy

NOPE go look agian, the power house dog look no more than 50lbs. and the others 55-70 and athletic looking.

if your gunna keep making rude comments i can too
is that the best solution you can come up with?
give me another solution? i bet you would take more offence then i did because all ADBA dogs look the same. and i know for a fact non of my dogs are 100lbs.

[rocksteady]

lmao! this one just keeps goin an goin. what was the original point again??lol i now have to read back a page or two just to see wjhat lead to this!! great


lol Yes..It has gotten a tad bit off topic...... but then ..some people...

[CB]

'PR' does mean something today conformation wise
Listen little girl...PR doesnt mean a thing..NOTHING. Just that a dog has 7 gens of UKC registered dogs in its ped. WOW...and thats so impressive because?

things like entropian, cherry eye ect. ect. ect. they could be fixed very easliy by the vet, unless you are so fuckin cheap that cant take your dogs to the vet.
LOL....Watch your mouth before you get sent to bed without supper...lol
Sure those problems can be easily fixed BUT, they are still problems. Who said anyone didnt take their animals to the vets?

do those ukc grand champs look 100 lbs?
Yes...slow and sloppy

if your gunna keep making rude comments i can too
is that the best solution you can come up with?
GOD im glad your back to give some points to this girl lol. But im not getting into it except i will say something about your remark to the vet thing PR. Mia is a vet so how can you tell her she cant get her dogs to the vet because she is cheap lmao. You should make sure you know what your talking about before you talk. But im not in this yall women and girl go about on what yall were talking about im getting the pop corn.

[rocksteady]

Mia isnt a vet CB..she's a Vet Tech...

[CB]

Mia isnt a vet CB..she's a Vet Tech...LoL same thing it has the word vet in the name haha.

[americandream]

ya thats why i got britney for free, and spayed and fixed.... all free. now shes on her way to get herself a weight pulling title, they only have to pull 10x there weight 3 shows, brit can easily pull 54X. it took about 4 months to get her into shape and train her but it sure payed off. the guy that gave her to me is sure kickin himself in the ass. i do know about the whole genetic stuff about this. i was told when i got brit. your just assuming agian.

[ghost 1]

:eek: calm down mia,, educate is the key, we all get worked up over our hoochs most ppl don't see the things u do or see just how many of the dog are destroyed daily(which is a shame) or abused ,, all we can do is do what we can do,,,i have personally fought the BSL here,,didn't ban you from having them just have to reg, them,, now,,,,but they didn't get the banned they wanted,,,I told the mayor here messin with one of my dogs is like messin with my kids,,, keep up the good work mia and hopefully we can make a diffence,but if anyone would visit a big pound one day a week for a month and see all the pitbulls all glassy eyed and then they're gone,, they might understand,,, why the fight to save the breed,,,,,,, this post is gettin funnier by the minute lmao,,,
GOOD LOOKIN DOG BM

[CB]

ya thats why i got britney for free, and spayed and fixed.... all free. now shes on her way to get herself a weight pulling title, they only have to pull 10x there weight 3 shows, brit can easily pull 54X. it took about 4 months to get her into shape and train her but it sure payed off. the guy that gave her to me is sure kickin himself in the ass. i do know about the whole genetic stuff about this. i was told when i got brit. your just assuming agian.Im just wanting to know how long you been around the breed. Because these people that are trying to give you information have been around the breed for atleast 12 years and have some of the greatest dogs you will find.

[americandream]

if i could get this dog train it up that good..... study every night for about 4 hours. talk to the owners of the CH dogs around here, blow them away with my training skills and have them wanting me to go to the u.s and compete on there team. im not wanting hear about dogs that are "great" halfway across the world. i dont think they are great, what have they won? all i see is dogs with a 2 inch thick chain around there neck locked with a lock. i bet there are some people on here that i would really like to share info with, havnt found to many of them tho. i just crossed a thread that said someone has a dog that can pull 3,900 lbs on here. then the other person replyed wow must have been a great dog...... i bet if they knew it was mine and i trained it they wouldnt of said that.


i have proven myself to the people i wanted to they were so amazed with me it made my summer.

[ghost 1]

I havn't seen it in person, but they go out to the woods I'll ask for pics
those hogs get nasty,,, they'll kill a dog in a minute,, if you ever get a chance to see it check it out,,, not something for untrained or slow dogs

[tommy3]

It's great that you weight pull your dogs and it is great that you spayed your dog. However, these dogs do have a standard and shouldn't be bred to whatever liking the owner has. If they like big bullies, they should get a big bulldog or mastiff. If you really knew about the dogs and why they are built as they are, as athletes, you wouldn't talk as you do. If you loved the breed, you wouldn't condone the idiots that breed for looks or weight pulling alone. A Husky can pull weight.......It's a great sport for fun. But not for proving your dog. These dogs are not bred for weight pulling. Therefore, I, and probably the majority don't care about how good of a trainer you are or anyone else. You can talk about how impressed other weightpullers were with you or other trainers, etc but it doesn't prove that you know anything about these dogs.
You talk about " all you see is dogs with a 2 inch thick chain around there neck locked with a lock". Where???? Please point it out. Where is there a dog that has a two inch chain around its neck and locked to it? You are obviously hiding from reality and making up things as you go. You are making it obvious now and previously that you do not know what you are talking about.

[rocksteady]

When u can make a blind man see, a lame man walk and raise the dead then I will be amazed... and in awe

[B]

The truest characters of ignorance are vanity, and pride and arrogance.
--Samual Butler

[luv_a_bull_girl]

It's great that you weight pull your dogs and it is great that you spayed your dog. However, these dogs do have a standard and shouldn't be bred to whatever liking the owner has. If they like big bullies, they should get a big bulldog or mastiff. If you really knew about the dogs and why they are built as they are, as athletes, you wouldn't talk as you do. If you loved the breed, you wouldn't condone the idiots that breed for looks or weight pulling alone. A Husky can pull weight.......It's a great sport for fun. But not for proving your dog. These dogs are not bred for weight pulling. Therefore, I, and probably the majority don't care about how good of a trainer you are or anyone else. You can talk about how impressed other weightpullers were with you or other trainers, etc but it doesn't prove that you know anything about these dogs.
You talk about " all you see is dogs with a 2 inch thick chain around there neck locked with a lock". Where???? Please point it out. Where is there a dog that has a two inch chain around its neck and locked to it? You are obviously hiding from reality and making up things as you go. You are making it obvious now and previously that you do not know what you are talking about.
:D i liked that explanation....

[kjf85]

ummmm, did I ever say anything about fighting? You need to watch what you accuse people of. And "owning a badass dog" is one of the MAIN reasons why we are losing the battles to save this breed every day! People like that (if the shoe fits......) are ruining this breed far worse than the government ever could.
I completely agree with you!- It's people now days who want a "bad ass dog" that get it completely ruined for those who like the breed for their personality (loving, loyal...etc)

[mydawgs]

To the original point of the thread, your girl is pretty. I'm glad you are proud of her and she is obviously returning your dedication by giving you all her heart. Now, stop..look...listen, and LEARN. With the wealth of knowledge here it can only help you and her be BETTER, it may very well save her breed from genocide, which is a common goal of every one of us on this board. Save the insults and arrogance for those that would bring us down for at least a good vent. Two way communication and acceptance of views different from your own is not only a lesson here but a lesson in life, take advantage of it...it will serve you well!!!

[Marty]

To the original point of the thread, your girl is pretty. I'm glad you are proud of her and she is obviously returning your dedication by giving you all her heart. Now, stop..look...listen, and LEARN. With the wealth of knowledge here it can only help you and her be BETTER, it may very well save her breed from genocide, which is a common goal of every one of us on this board. Save the insults and arrogance for those that would bring us down for at least a good vent. Two way communication and acceptance of views different from your own is not only a lesson here but a lesson in life, take advantage of it...it will serve you well!!!Very well said, enjoy the reps ;)

[americandream]

hahahah see there ya go..... i have been told britney is a bad ass dog, shes the most loyal and affectionate dog ever. so? same with capone biggest teddy bear ever. you idiots just LOVE those ribs showing dont you? thats not healthy.
if you tryed weight pulling you would have a different mind set its way harder than it looks. and that dog has to try its hardest just to pull that weight and inch. and if the dog doesnt give up it proves itself in what degree of "will to please" i want in my dog. thats what proves what.
look through everyones gallery's i have seen lots of pics with big 2 inch chains with locks and there ribs showing and they dont look happy at all.
here's a healthy dog------a pethetic dog i tryed to get to look healthy and failed. aint no hope for that scrawny POS-----a very very happy dog------ and what happens when i UKC dog gets fed up with a ADBA's shit. (rough play fighting) it looks like shes killin him but shes not, she had enough of him buggin her.

[americandream]

im trying to learn but everyones cutting me and my dogs down so im gunna stand up for them. other than that..... happy to learn :) i set a good example to the public everytime i go out with my dogs.

[Marty]

hahahah see there ya go..... i have been told britney is a bad ass dog, shes the most loyal and affectionate dog ever. so? same with capone biggest teddy bear ever. you idiots just LOVE those ribs showing dont you? thats not healthy.
if you tryed weight pulling you would have a different mind set its way harder than it looks. and that dog has to try its hardest just to pull that weight and inch. and if the dog doesnt give up it proves itself in what degree of "will to please" i want in my dog. thats what proves what.
look through everyones gallery's i have seen lots of pics with big 2 inch chains with locks and there ribs showing and they dont look happy at all.
here's a healthy dog------a pethetic dog i tryed to get to look healthy and failed. aint no hope for that scrawny POS-----a very very happy dog------ and what happens when i UKC dog gets fed up with a ADBA's shit. (rough play fighting) it looks like shes killin him but shes not, she had enough of him buggin her.
Sorry but the pic I took off don't look good to me!
And as far as the ribs showing, I don't have the same dogs as you!

[luv_a_bull_girl]

hahahah see there ya go..... i have been told britney is a bad ass dog, shes the most loyal and affectionate dog ever. so? same with capone biggest teddy bear ever. you idiots just LOVE those ribs showing dont you? thats not healthy.

if you tryed weight pulling you would have a different mind set its way harder than it looks. and that dog has to try its hardest just to pull that weight and inch. and if the dog doesnt give up it proves itself in what degree of "will to please" i want in my dog. thats what proves what.

look through everyones gallery's i have seen lots of pics with big 2 inch chains with locks and there ribs showing and they dont look happy at all.

here's a healthy dog------a pethetic dog i tryed to get to look healthy and failed. aint no hope for that scrawny POS-----a very very happy dog------ and what happens when i UKC dog gets fed up with a ADBA's shit. (rough play fighting) it looks like shes killin him but shes not, she had enough of him buggin her.
good Lord look I personally think brit is beautiful but please just STOP... this is getting no where... i know ur strong willed but please even the true dogmen/women are getting fed up and that takes alot knowing that if theyre anything like theyre dogs, they won't give up without a fight... look being humble does not mean your weak it means ur smart... i've learned to accept the fact that what i view as a pit bull and what is the tru conformation is different... ive also learned that there are different people on here for different reasons and everyone has different dogs... the truth is this is a game dog website and original game dogs and many on this board are completely to standard despite the fact that u (and i, im ashamed to admit) think they look skinny... look we're not asking u to change the way u feel about ur dogs and stop doing what ur doing, but u have to give credit where credit is due and these people kno what theyre talking about... just think about it and like i said humbleness is not weakness and it never means giving up ur beliefs...

[americandream]

i could be flashin that pic saying hey my dog is game! but that was a pic of play fighting. and that all it was. i dont want a game dog. i want a dog that trys hard for me and only me. thats the only level of game needed right?

[mydawgs]

im trying to learn but everyones cutting me and my dogs down so im gunna stand up for them. other than that..... happy to learn :) i set a good example to the public everytime i go out with my dogs.
Every one gets passionate about their dogs!!!;) Don't misinterpret an attack on you and your dog when it comes to stickin to the breed standard by those who have the obligatory responsibility of breedin our dogs to this standard, with out it we will lose what we love most in them. It must be strictly adhered to and you won't get anyone who loves this breed to move from this position...but whats wrong with that, right????? I'm so very glad this tremendous responsibility rests in the very capable hands of the folks that are here.....and understand what needs to be done, join me in celebrating that!!!

[Marty]

i could be flashin that pic saying hey my dog is game! but that was a pic of play fighting. and that all it was. i dont want a game dog. i want a dog that trys hard for me and only me. thats the only level of game needed right?If I'm going to call my dog a "pitbull" thats what its going to be, a "pitbull" is a game bred dog and is bred to fight!
If a dog is bred for any other reason it becomes some thing else, not a "pitbull" :rolleyes:

[CB]

If I'm going to call my dog a "pitbull" thats what its going to be, a "pitbull" is a game bred dog and is bred to fight!
If a dog is bred for any other reason it becomes some thing else, not a "pitbull" :rolleyes:Really nice post.

[americandream]

Every one gets passionate about their dogs!!!;) Don't misinterpret an attack on you and your dog when it comes to stickin to the breed standard by those who have the obligatory responsibility of breedin our dogs to this standard, with out it we will lose what we love most in them. It must be strictly adhered to and you won't get anyone who loves this breed to move from this position...but whats wrong with that, right????? I'm so very glad this tremendous responsibility rests in the very capable hands of the folks that are here.....and understand what needs to be done, join me in celebrating that!!!ya no prob.... just dont cut me or my dog down and everythings good to go. everyone should know by now im not gunna let that go. there are different types of pit bulls and i like that there is..... i like the UKC dogs that fit the ukc standard, i dont like overdone dogs. theres one thing i do like about ADBA dogs and thats there agility. im not trying to cut people down or there dogs on this thread. :)


my dog does not get along with other dogs, i keep her away from other dogs. thats some of the reason why bsl is happening i think too....... people dont watch there dogs!!!! i keep a good eye on my dogs everyday

[Marty]

im not trying to cut people down or there dogs on this thread. :)And I'm not knocking your's ;)

[americandream]

some people do every chance they get and its making me soooooo mad. my dog was bred to fight yes, but im not gunna let her fight or let people know that thats what they were bred for that's the main reason why they have a bad name...i guess. pit bulls love people thats what the public dont get. they see monsters. this summer i had some pretty rude comments toward britney. even my puppy---- (hes a pit bull, that stupid breed should be destoryed) i was shocked to hear that from someone who was looking at my 11 wk old pup :( but there was people that just loved them too. i think its a 50-50 thing here in B.C canada.

[CB]

I dont think people really dont like them because of the fighting its because of the biting. And if any kinda pit bull bites a person it should be culled. Thats just me.

[americandream]

ya thats true, but its also the owners. you have to socalize a lot and work with them. what about pit bulls that are bred for very high drive and is left in a pen all its life or chained up? the darn thing will go crazy. theres all sorts of reasons why a dog goes crazy. when a dog is bred to do something e.g- greyhounds need to run -scent hounds need to smell things ect. ect. if not they start to misbehave.

[tommy3]

ya no prob.... just dont cut me or my dog down and everythings good to go. everyone should know by now im not gunna let that go. there are different types of pit bulls and i like that there is..... i like the UKC dogs that fit the ukc standard, i dont like overdone dogs. theres one thing i do like about ADBA dogs and thats there agility. im not trying to cut people down or there dogs on this thread. :)


my dog does not get along with other dogs, i keep her away from other dogs. thats some of the reason why bsl is happening i think too....... people dont watch there dogs!!!! i keep a good eye on my dogs everyday
Not once did someone make a direct attack on your dogs. I looked this entire thread up and down and you have been the only one insulting other's dogs. You really should consider the fact that many of these people have been around these dogs their entire lives. Others have been around them many years. It is obvious that you do not know this breed like they do. Please, open your eyes and learn.

[miakoda]

im am sick of you guys insaulting my dogs or dog that are like mine. I never said anything about your dogs so just stop. (All I said is "if the shoe fits..." & it's not directed to anyone in particular, but to those who think it's directed to them, well, hmmm.....) I'm not insulting any dog because that dog didn't ask to be born into this world the way it did. It's not responsible for it's genetic defects. I place 100% blame on the lazy careless moneymaking breeders.

and about the health problems........ things like entropian, cherry eye ect. ect. ect. they could be fixed very easliy by the vet
So that makes it ok to keep breeding dogs with genetic defects? Because they can be "hidden" or covered up? What a damn shame. It's still a defect! It will at some point cause the dog discomfort & possibly pain. Passing the defect along with only force tens to hundreds more dogs to have to endure the risk of anesthesia & a painful surgery all because someone refused to find money another way. And that's fair to those dogs? It's fair to future owners of those dogs? The inability to acknowledge the truth is what's killing this breed. It's destroying the breed, it's destroying dogs, & it's destroying people's faith in the dogs. And all this is "ok" because some vet will be able to "fix" it.

You know what? Wrigley has severe hip dysplasia. But it's ok. Because he can have a FHO to "fix" it. What you don't understand, is that dog had to suffer many painful days to get to the point that he was able to have the surgery. Then he was forced to take an anesthesia risk. Then the surgery involved yanking his leg with brute strength & absurd amounts of twisting to dislocate the hip. Then a saw & a file were used to remove the head of the femur. Then the muscles were sewn back together & he was stitched up. The he had to endure even worse pain as he had to learn to use the leg all over again. After an entire year of rehab, he walks with a limp, but can run. And his femoral head is no longer out of the socket as it doesn't exist anymore. So "Abra Cadabra" his hip dysplasia was "fixed" by the vet! Now all we have to worry about is the arthritis that will be developed by the age of 2-3 yrs of age instead of 12-13 yrs. Now shouldn't we all just love to produce more & more dogs that will have to endure this?

And as for cherry eye patients, 70% of them who are surgically "cured" will occur again in the dogs lifetime. Almost 100% of them will require daily eye drops usually 3 times a day because the tear duct doesn't work properly. But this is ok, because the duct itself can be "fixed".

I don't even know what to say anymore. Every day I lose more & more faith in some other "pit bull" owners. It saddens me more than anyone can imagine..........

[tommy3]

People that feel that a dog is unhealthy because of their ribs are showing should read this. It is actually healthy for the dog to have the ribs showing to a certain extent. However, it is NOT healthy for a dog to have a layer of fat covering them. Please read. Fat dogs die early.
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8110&highlight=weight

[americandream]

that dont matter no one cuts down my dogs. like i said other than that im glad to learn. :p
i agree the pics # 5 on that are healthy. thats from the vet office, i reconized it. but some peoples pits ribs show worse than that.

all dogs are born with defects no dog is perfect so you just stop im not talkin to you im talkin to the guys.

[tommy3]

that dont matter no one cuts down my dogs. like i said other than that im glad to learn. :p
No one made any personal attacks towards your dogs. You on the other hand......

Since you swear that a dog is unhealthy because its ribs are showing, you should read this: http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8110&highlight=weight
It is actually healthy for some of the dogs ribs to be showing. However, it is not healthy for a dog to have a layer of fat over the ribs.

[americandream]

sun tzu? kyokushin karate?

[tommy3]

sun tzu? kyokushin karate?
What are you talking about?

[luv_a_bull_girl]

Not once did someone make a direct attack on your dogs. I looked this entire thread up and down and you have been the only one insulting other's dogs. You really should consider the fact that many of these people have been around these dogs their entire lives. Others have been around them many years. It is obvious that you do not know this breed like they do. Please, open your eyes and learn.yeah but i have seen it on other threads and the comments for her pics in her gallery... some were so out of hand they were erased

[americandream]

true 2 people not mentioning names call my dogs down just because. they are completely rude. you should hear what one wrote in a pm :( hes insane. saying "i should kill my dogs"

your saying (signiture) at the bottom where did you read it from?

[tommy3]

yeah but i have seen it on other threads and the comments for her pics on the gallery... some were so out of hand they were erased
Regardless, it wasn't being done on this thread. She did the bashing. No one needs to be bashed about their dogs. Period. Anyone that has a problem with someone's dog should try to educate. Show them some information from knowledgable bulldog owners and try to show them the light. Unfortunately, it seems some people are so set in their views that they refuse to listen to knowledgable people. Instead, they think they know more! LOL

[americandream]

i didnt bash anything! i posted what the thread was about. the femal looks good and what not about what makes the APBT fun (different looks). and some one started up.

[tommy3]

true 2 people not mentioning names call my dogs down just because. they are completely rude. you should hear what one wrote in a pm :( hes insane. saying "i should kill my dogs"
Well, those two people don't represent the majority. You can get on people's nerves and they might flip out on you (I am not saying that is OK though). It is good that you did spay your dog and you are, obviously, taking good care of her. You are exercising her and I am sure she is happy. BUT, you do not know everything and you should really start listening to these people. If you don't agree with them, fine. Just know that you are disagreeing with people that stand for the true APBT and therefore you are not standing up for the true APBT. If you can live with that, you are just one among many who do not care about what this breed stands for. Join the bunch. Just know that us, with the "skinny ugly dogs", are going to keep on fighting people with those views.

[CB]

true 2 people not mentioning names call my dogs down just because. they are completely rude. you should hear what one wrote in a pm :( hes insane. saying "i should kill my dogs"

your saying (signiture) at the bottom where did you read it from?LoL you had that whole thing coming you get the same respect as you show me so there for i didnt show no respect for you or your dogs because you came at me the same way even harder and i told you to PM if you had anything to say about me or my dogs but you didnt listen. And i wasnt the one that PM you so it must have been the other person. You cant teach someone that dont want to listen. And you bashed almost everybody's dog on this site by saying that they were starved down rats.

[tommy3]

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I went ahead and erased this post. It was unnecessary.

[tommy3]

i didnt bash anything! i posted what the thread was about. the femal looks good and what not about what makes the APBT fun (different looks). and some one started up.
This was your first post on this thread. Your post contained no fact, and you attacked game bred dogs from the start.

almost all pit bulls are bad ass lookin so its not because of that they are getting banned. its because of these game bred dogs that people let wonder there back yards to excape and kill other dogs or hurt people. but i prefer the U.K.C standard dont they work better for hog hunting? pit bulls come from bull dog and terriers dont they? well some look more like terrier's ADBA and some look a bit more like bull dogs U.K.C go to this site: http://americanpitbullterrier.org (http://americanpitbullterrier.org/) and look at conformation and stuff they look awsome. the ukc grand champs are very very good lookin. as well as some in the slide show.


This was your 2nd post. No one made any personal attack towards you. But, you did.\

who the hell said anything about 100 lbs dogs? do those ukc grand champs look 100 lbs? i dont own 100lbs dogs either, so i dont know what the hell is up with that comment. i dunno about you but i picked a APBT for there love for people.
dont be acusing me of anything. and about the health problems........ things like entropian, cherry eye ect. ect. ect. they could be fixed very easliy by the vet, unless you are so f***in cheap that cant take your dogs to the vet. im am sick of you guys insaulting my dogs or dog that are like mine. if your gunna keep making rude comments i can too. im more mature then you obviously. its like ADBA dogs dont have health problems, there not superdogs.

[CB]

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I went ahead and erased this post. It was unnecessary.I didnt think so lol.

[miakoda]

Don't bring personal fueds into public threads please.

[luv_a_bull_girl]

Don't bring personal fueds into public threads please.
it may b a little 2 late 4 that 1...

[miakoda]

It's not too late. Take it back to pm's or the resulting posts will be removed.

[CB]

Im not saying nothing else about it she said something about it so i did to.

[miakoda]

LOL. The end.

[Marty]

good Lord look I personally think brit is beautiful but please just STOP... this is getting no where... i know ur strong willed but please even the true dogmen/women are getting fed up and that takes alot knowing that if theyre anything like theyre dogs, they won't give up without a fight... look being humble does not mean your weak it means ur smart... i've learned to accept the fact that what i view as a pit bull and what is the tru conformation is different... ive also learned that there are different people on here for different reasons and everyone has different dogs... the truth is this is a game dog website and original game dogs and many on this board are completely to standard despite the fact that u (and i, im ashamed to admit) think they look skinny... look we're not asking u to change the way u feel about ur dogs and stop doing what ur doing, but u have to give credit where credit is due and these people kno what theyre talking about... just think about it and like i said humbleness is not weakness and it never means giving up ur beliefs...Reps to you just for being opened minded ;)

[luv_a_bull_girl]

woo hoo marty liked what i said... i feel honored :: blushes ::

[B]

good Lord look I personally think brit is beautiful but please just STOP... this is getting no where... i know ur strong willed but please even the true dogmen/women are getting fed up and that takes alot knowing that if theyre anything like theyre dogs, they won't give up without a fight... look being humble does not mean your weak it means ur smart... i've learned to accept the fact that what i view as a pit bull and what is the tru conformation is different... ive also learned that there are different people on here for different reasons and everyone has different dogs... the truth is this is a game dog website and original game dogs and many on this board are completely to standard despite the fact that u (and i, im ashamed to admit) think they look skinny... look we're not asking u to change the way u feel about ur dogs and stop doing what ur doing, but u have to give credit where credit is due and these people kno what theyre talking about... just think about it and like i said humbleness is not weakness and it never means giving up ur beliefs...
Wonderful post. Must give some rep points for that one :)

B

[luv_a_bull_girl]

Wonderful post. Must give some rep points for that one :)

B
thank you... :D

[rocksteady]

that dont matter no one cuts down my dogs. like i said other than that im glad to learn. :p
i agree the pics # 5 on that are healthy. thats from the vet office, i reconized it. but some peoples pits ribs show worse than that.

all dogs are born with defects no dog is perfect so you just stop im not talkin to you im talkin to the guys.
No, not all dogs are born with "genetic defects" they may not have perfect conformations, but a perfect conformaition isnt what makes a working dog a working dog.. Working dogs arent bred to be pretty or look bad ass. They are bred to work.. preform a task

ur talkin to the guys? what lol .. so are u here to learn and contribute to the breed on a whole or troll for dates?

[miakoda]

LOL rock!

PR--not ALL dogs are born with genetic defects. Those of us who take great care & put many thoughts & research into a breeding, make sure that doesn't happen. No matter how much I love a dog, if it's got a defect, it's not going to be bred. And that's the end of it. If all of your dogs have genetic defects, then I pity your dogs. For they did not ask to be born with those imperfections nor would they have chosen a life of corrective surgeries.

Brother--I apologize for the highjacking of this thread. I cannot offer an opinion on the dog because the pic is stretched out to force the dog to portray an example of something I do not like. And that's just my honest opinion.

[ghost 1]

I dont think people really dont like them because of the fighting its because of the biting. And if any kinda pit bull bites a person it should be culled. Thats just me.

i disagee,, these dogs are very loyal and protective of they're owners and when back into a corner or feels they're owners are, then they're gonna do what come natural to them,,,,(protect and defend) But so this won't be misinterpprted I know what you mean and where you were going with this;) just wanted to point that out so this thread won't get any ________(fill in the blank)

[mydawgs]

i disagee,, these dogs are very loyal and protective of they're owners and when back into a corner or feels they're owners are, then they're gonna do what come natural to them,,,,(protect and defend) But so this won't be misinterpprted I know what you mean and where you were going with this;) just wanted to point that out so this thread won't get any ________(fill in the blank)
Boy I think that depends on the dog, my male did protect my husband from being assaulted in his store when a drugged up would be robber came at him (my husband). However my female I think would dance the dance of joy right there at a would be robbers feet, as long as he payed attention to her.......

Always makes me wonder why the two dogs are so different this way????

And it also confuses me as to if the action by my male was acceptable behavior.....let me clarify it is our belief that the incident involving my husband and my boy was an actual protection event, meaning without the action of the dog my husband could have been seriously injured.........

[ghost 1]

Boy I think that depends on the dog, my male did protect my husband from being assaulted in his store when a drugged up would be robber came at him (my husband). However my female I think would dance the dance of joy right there at a would be robbers feet, as long as he payed attention to her.......

Always makes me wonder why the two dogs are so different this way????

And it also confuses me as to if the action by my male was acceptable behavior.....let me clarify it is our belief that the incident involving my husband and my boy was an actual protection event, meaning without the action of the dog my husband could have been seriously injured.........
i don't know why they are so different but my male is like your female but my female would'nt budged a inch,,, I would never fault my dogs biting someone if he was keepig me from getting seriously injured, with these dogs a person has to give alittle respect to because they're not a pomeranian they are a pitbull it come wif the breed,,,it's all bout responsible ownership and i personally think a dog knows when somone is threatening and somone is full of it,, lol

[Brothermarree]

Here's a better Pic.http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TQCPApgU4uusIBu6kDD9ehwJCS0o45qqlZhnL1NMZbtCnbHvA n4WlW7QCLVo*WoIrWdmjyeOg0T7Zq!6a*5KCXWfaRQYpMuzbAV SJa1o5amIB3lyxtO3eg/000_0314.JPG?dc=4675542423119271909