What is a Razor's Edge dog to do?

[Catch Dogs Inc]

I went to Buffalo, Missouri to an ADBA show this weekend. Wow, I guess I was way out of the type standard. I took three dogs and showed them all. All where 50 to 80% Razor's Edge with a little splash of York. I had the biggest dogs there. Where do we outcasts show our dogs? The ADBA has no problem registering my dogs. If there are not going to recognize them at a show maybe they should say "sorry we can't take your thousands maybe hundred of thousands of dollars to register your larger, out of type standard Dogs" but thank you very kindly. I was just very upset. When the Judge take 10 seconds to look at your dog and never looks again, it's a tad disharding....may be I should have guessed that this was going to happen. I had , God rest her, a Jimmy Boots bred female about 9 years ago that did awesome....key wood was Greenwood's Jimmy Boot's. Anyway, thats my rant.

Jake
www.catchdogsinc.com (http://www.catchdogsinc.com)

[14rock]

Well you've got to expect things like that to happen when the dogs you bring are not to standard.

[El Mexicano]

u should get some real apbts that meet the standard and go back to ashow and the judges will be impressed that time

[Crash97]

Are you serious? You took an oversize reproduction of an APBT to a ADBA show and didn't come home satisfied.

You already know why, you said your Jimmy Boots dog did well. It was most likely not because of Greenwood being the breeder, it was because the dog was a true representative of the gamedog as it should be.

[Catch Dogs Inc]

I guess you all are just trying to be funny by skirting the question. That's fine. I understand. Never mind! I guess I will have to weight pull them, most of those dogs were way out of type standard. I guess I will hang my head and try that with my, what was that, "oversized reproduction" of the APBT, that are registered with the same paper as your toy cup pits are...right back at cha. I have seen CH Razor's Edge dogs, where are they showing? Do they have a little different views farther north?

[Catch Dogs Inc]

It was common knowledge that Jimmy didn't or couldn't reproduce himself or better.

[14rock]

It was common knowledge that Jimmy didn't or couldn't reproduce himself or better.
Maybe not and not trying to be rude but Jimmy could do more than stand in a ring and look tough all day, he stood in a ring and PROVED it!

[tommy3]

It won't matter where you go to show the dog. The judges are ADBA judges and have to adhere to the ADBA standard.
I hate to tell you, but Razors Edge dogs are generally out of standard for all registries. Even the UKC. They aren't conformation dogs. You should just stick to weight pull.

[Crash97]

It was common knowledge that Jimmy didn't or couldn't reproduce himself or better.Yes, which is why his blood seemed to just fade out, but for what you are doing ones dog doesn't need to have skills just a proper conformation.

[Catch Dogs Inc]

I'm not saying Jimmy wasn't what everyone wishes there dog could be, I'm just saying that everyone would like to think they are adding to the greatness so, maybe someone had the forsight to see that he couldn't produce himself. Very few dogs can. May be it's the breeders fault, who knows. Jimmy Boots was one of the best, bar none. Now, all I was trying to do was get some kind of answer about my Razor's Edge dogs, that I love just as much as you love you dogs. I guess I got it in the my bloodline is better then your bloodline way. Thanks

[Crash97]

What answer were ya seeking? Sounded like you were surprised that your dog wasn't considered for placement, and wondered why. Hence the answers.

[lonerkennels]

thiers a site for your blood i read something about them showing them too i think in cali not sure heres the site pitbreeders.com

[Catch Dogs Inc]

Not that you like out of standard dogs but here Bo and my daughter Dallas at the show.

Plus my old Jimmy Boots female Stacia (RIP)

[rocksteady]

http://www.adba.cc/p_pdetails.asp?fpid=32

Sorry to say this but JUDGES DONT KNOW THE BREEDIN OF UR DOG!!!!!!!

When you go to a show you are paying for someone;s opinion on your dog!! IF there are more dogs that come closer to the standard that the ADBA sets forth, then NO your larger dog WILL NOT PLACE!! I dont know how many dogs were in your class, but a good judge will weed out the dogs that are NOT among the top from the moment they walk into the ring..

My dogs fit the standard.. I have an awesome looking male pup who has been placed first , third, taken jr handler classes..but theres been times he's not placed at all.. so dont get your panties in a bunch. Hopefully YOU were man /women enough to ask the JUDGE why he/she didnt like your dog, the good points of your dog and what you needed to improve on, etc and not just bitch on a public forum about it.

Because quite frankly, you are being a cry baby about it. So someone thought your dog didnt warrent more than a 10 sec look. BIG DEAL GET OVER IT You love your dog, thats all that matters. BESIDES it SHOUDLNT BE ABOUT HOW PRETTY YOUR DOG IS

these are WORKING DOGS... thats what should matter the most

[Catch Dogs Inc]

Well, hell that is all I was looking for was swift kick in the shorts.....lol. Did it really seem like I was crying? I consulted my wife and she said you have no idea how much i can kick and scream when I get my feelings hurt...just joking. Thanks a ton rocksteady for your advise. I will just buy a harness. Furthermore, don't think that I'm running the true American Pitbulls down I'm not. I love them. I just when a little different way with the new dogs. I have been trying to attach a pic can anyone see them?

[14rock]

I have been trying to attach a pic can anyone see them?
I can see two pictures in your previous post if thats what you mean?

[Catch Dogs Inc]

I was trying to attach a file that was to large before and they were not attaching, thanks


I can see two pictures in your previous post if thats what you mean?

[KnottyBoyNC]

This is simple, the judge didnt take the time to think about your dogs cause he know the adba prolly just registered them for more cash. Thats like michael jackson trying to join the KKK....he may look white but everyone knows he's black. The judge knew your dog wasnt standarized

[MPD]

I guess you all are just trying to be funny by skirting the question. That's fine. I understand. Never mind! I guess I will have to weight pull them, most of those dogs were way out of type standard. I guess I will hang my head and try that with my, what was that, "oversized reproduction" of the APBT, that are registered with the same paper as your toy cup pits are...right back at cha. I have seen CH Razor's Edge dogs, where are they showing? Do they have a little different views farther north?
In these days, paper is useless, I keep my own records on my dogs. Because it says your dogs are apbts on paper means nothing. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE WALKING AROUND IN YOUR YARD.


so "right back at cha"

[The Watcher]

[QUOTE=Catch Dogs Inc: "don't think that I'm running the true American Pitbulls down I'm not."
the don't breed that dog, till he/she proves themself. ;)

[Catch Dogs Inc]

If you did what the old timers did, you wouldn't have papers because no one wanted anyone else to see what made their dogs. But, someone one started calling bullshit on some of the breedings, there you are, a the modern day registry. To each their own, The ADBA calls my dogs an APBT so live with it. Don't be mad at me. I'm just going to pull them and enjoy my dogs. No matter what your sub culture thinks. I just don't understand why everyone has to be a hater of everything foreign to them. If grandpappy didn't do it, it's hogwash!!! End of discussion.

[The Watcher]

"If you did what the old timers did, you wouldn't have papers because no one wanted anyone else to see what made their dogs"
as u say hogwash.
"The ADBA calls my dogs an APBT so live with it."
the ADBA calls alll kinds of mutts, MUTTS! AND?
"No matter what your sub culture thinks."
sub culture?
"I just don't understand why everyone has to be a hater of everything foreign to them."
not a hater, jus like to see dog preform as they are bred to do so.
"If grandpappy didn't do it, it's hogwash!!! End of discussion."
I dont know who the hell ur Grandpappy was so, what does that mean?

[americandream]

ADBA an UKC are totaly different. i personaly like UKC pits better than ABDA cuz the fact that ADBA pits starved and unheathly. who likes there animals ribs showing? razors edge dogs could have good UKC conformation i have seen lots that fit the discription. but if you have a UKC dog and you enter a ADBA show..... u shouldnt have wasted the money. and same goes for ADBA that goes in a UKC show.

[CB]

ADBA an UKC are totaly different. i personaly like UKC pits better than ABDA cuz the fact that ADBA pits starved and unheathly. who likes there animals ribs showing? razors edge dogs could have good UKC conformation i have seen lots that fit the discription. but if you have a UKC dog and you enter a ADBA show..... u shouldnt have wasted the money. and same goes for ADBA that goes in a UKC show.Well REAL APBT have 2-3 ribs showing when they are conditioned. They arent starved at all its just are kinda dogs can go 5 miles without getting tired. I have yet to see one of this big 100 lbs Blue hogs walk 2 miles without getting very winded or just laying down. I think alot more people on here can explain it alot better then i can. To tired to go on.

[americandream]

my dog can walk 4 hours without getting tired shes 75 lbs hemphill/wallace. shes huge. and what you think is not game bred. but if she wasnt then could she be a hog baiter? or a weight puller? just because the dog is huge and there ribs are not showing doesnt mean they can exercise for hours and not be tired.

[Dpres1]

i personaly like UKC pits better than ABDA cuz the fact that ADBA pits starved and unheathly.

LMMFAOOO!!!!

[CB]

my dog can walk 4 hours without getting tired shes 75 lbs hemphill/wallace. shes huge. and what you think is not game bred. but if she wasnt then could she be a hog baiter? or a weight puller? just because the dog is huge and there ribs are not showing doesnt mean they can exercise for hours and not be tired.Im not saying that your dog cant walk a distance but if your dog can do weight pulling does not in any way it means your dog is game.

[americandream]

is that all you can post? its true, my friend had a ADBA dog and humaine s. was called on him cuz his pits ribs was showing. go to http://americanpitbulterrier.org and look at the conformation slide show and the last slide witch dogs look heathier? UKC.

[americandream]

yes it does it tests game by the dog not giving up. if the dog wasnt game she would just give up. DUH!. thats why they say its the best way to prove gamness other than fighting.

[CB]

yes it does it tests game by the dog not giving up. if the dog wasnt game she would just give up. DUH!. thats why they say its the best way to prove gamness other than fighting.Ummmm WoW. So your saying that your dog is GAME from pulling weights,only if it was that easy. From looking at your dog,your dog does need to loose a couple pounds to tuck that stomach in and then that dog would look kick ass. But im not the person to be talking because my dog is a little overweight but not much now that he is tucking that in.

[americandream]

any more weight loss on her, ribs would be showing shes a UKC dog not a ADBA dog. read in any weight pull magazine...... weight pulling is a greatest test in gamness since fighting. if your dog can pull 3,900 lbs with out giving up. then they deffinitly got game.

[CB]

any more weight loss on her, ribs would be showing shes a UKC dog not a ADBA dog. read in any weight pull magazine...... weight pulling is a greatest test in gamness since fighting. if your dog can pull 3,900 lbs with out giving up. then they deffinitly got game.Sorry dont read weight pull magazines and do plan to because of what you just stated. Im sure when everyone on here wakes up tommorow and see that weight pulling is way to say your dog is game and a worthy breeder then they will have something to say about it. I think weight pulling is great for dog i know a couple of people on here that have there dogs ADBA registered and there dogs weight around 40-65 pounds and i know they can pull more then alot of those other mutts that UKC call APBT. Hell they will put Bull Mastiff under UKC as long as you pay them and that goes for ADBA to.

[americandream]

MUTTS? at least they dont look like drown staved rats. just face it im right about the whole weight pull and gamness thing. i read it outta a magazine. i didnt say ADBA dogs couldnt pull. i was talking about game. ur stupidity offends me.

[CB]

MUTTS? at least they dont look like drown staved rats. just face it im right about the whole weight pull and gamness thing. i read it outta a magazine. i didnt say ADBA dogs couldnt pull. i was talking about game. ur stupidity offends me.My stupidity LoL. Your lack of knowledge about the true APBT offends me. Im sure your the type that beleives everything that is put infront of you like reading tahat magazine. And yes i say MUTTS because thats what they are and what most (not all) of the dogs that are registered under UKC are. And you are going to offend alot of people on here for saying the dogs that they feed look like starved rats. They are what a True american pit bull terrier should look like. The dogs arent starved it just that the people on here put everything into there dogs to make them conditioned and look like that. They dont starve there dogs at all.

[Dpres1]

MUTTS? at least they dont look like drown staved rats. just face it im right about the whole weight pull and gamness thing. i read it outta a magazine. i didnt say ADBA dogs couldnt pull. i was talking about game. ur stupidity offends me.

That was rude and uncalled for, wasn't it? The same thing could be said about your opinions towards 90% of the people's dogs on this forum, or the fact that you believe everything that you read. Personal shots at people who don't agree with your point of view reveal your inability to carry on a mature debate.

[americandream]

TRUE APBT? who is anyone to judge what a true APBT looks like? look at galvins pup was he a lil dog? nope. theres a lot of dogs from the early 1900 that didnt look like that.

[CB]

TRUE APBT? who is anyone to judge what a true APBT looks like? look at galvins pup was he a lil dog? nope. theres a lot of dogs from the early 1900 that didnt look like that.Who are you to say that are dogs look like starved rats?

[americandream]

because thats the way they look there ribs are showing. my friend had one and it looked horrible....... and at the dog show they looked like walking skeltons.......... who are you to call UKC pits mutts?

[CB]

You are really going to offend some people on here so i would stop where your at now. I call them Mutts because alot of them are 120lbs Blue's now do you call them APBT. And if your dog is 100% APBT i would like to see the ped.

[Dpres1]

If this is your idea of a rat :rolleyes: ...................I want ten.
http://www.victorinoskennel.com/ACE/ADBAACE1.JPG

[americandream]

k go to http://coldsteelkennels.com and click britney. shes also on a pit bull movie http://americanpitbullterrier.org/pitbull_content.html how am i gunna offend people? cuz im standing up for UKC dogs? 120lbs blues? i think not. besides pit bulls can be blue, and they are the prettiest color iv seen on a pit bull. i have seen my dogs pedigree back to the 1870's she is pure and shes not a mutt.

[CB]

If this is your idea of a rat :rolleyes: ...................I want ten.
http://www.victorinoskennel.com/ACE/ADBAACE1.JPGI was just trying to look for that picture. Now that is my idea of a true and coditioned American Pit Bull Terrier.

[CB]

k go to http://coldsteelkennels.com (http://coldsteelkennels.com/) and click britney. shes also on a pit bull movie http://americanpitbullterrier.org/pitbull_content.html how am i gunna offend people? cuz im standing up for UKC dogs? 120lbs blues? i think not. besides pit bulls can be blue, and they are the prettiest color iv seen on a pit bull. i have seen my dogs pedigree back to the 1870's she is pure and shes not a mutt.Well if this is true show us the Ped. And alot of the blue's you see now these days are not APBT they are mixed with some other breed. But there are some game blue's i forgot who the first were and im sure some people can fill you in on that. A REAL APBT hsould be around 30-70 pounds correct me if im wrong. But i say you should stay on this site a while longer to learn about the breed as i have. But it has been a good debate on what you think of a APBT is and what i think a real APBT is. Im going to bed because it is 4:00 Am. Hope we can continue this tommorow but im pretty sure there will be alot of post on this board but PM if you want to further the convo.

[Dpres1]

Congratulations! Pretty much every dog on there is overweight. Those dogs look nothing like Gr Ch Buck (which the UKC standard was based loosely on)

[americandream]

that dog has no body fat at all...... u think this is heathy? ask any vet they will say under weight. if a person had no body fat at all what would happen?? this dog has muscles...... most ADBA dogs iv seen have non.. wich is why they look so under weight. if this dog had half the muscles he does.... he would look like all the other ADBA dogs.

[americandream]

every dog on where? coldsteel? ya i hate that kennel with a passion. britney lost 7 pounds since i got her. they breed for money. they dont show, or anything.

[Dpres1]

I'm afraid this arguement is going nowhere. We won't be able to convince you and vice versa. You seem to be into a different "style of Pit Bull" ;) As all the dogs you seem to think are at healthy weights are from 70-100 lbs (as provided by your link). We can agree to disagree. Good night
Dante

[americandream]

no a dog is at a heathy weight when you can feel the ribs but are barley or not showing at all. i didnt mention that the dogs on my link are this or that, it was only for you to see the pedigree. this is my idea of a flawless APBT.....

[americandream]

more good pics of healthy dogs.....

[PHILA APBT]

no a dog is at a heathy weight when you can feel the ribs but are barley or not showing at all. i didnt mention that the dogs on my link are this or that, it was only for you to see the pedigree. this is my idea of a flawless APBT.....I was trying not to say anything but I have too....

Your idea of "flawless" apbt's is nothing more than that "am staff" show crap. Just because your like your dog's clearly over weight does not mean you rant and rant on shoving pictures in our faces with dogs that are not even clearly standard. So what, you think condisioned dogs are "skinny bags of bones". I tell you one thing, a condisioned dog can push its self 5 times as hard then your so called "healthy" dogs.

Its one thing to not like something and understand it. Its one thing to not like something and REFUSE to understand it. Dont believe everything you read or hear. Last year, someone told me my pup was game because he barks at dogs. And as a newbie to the breed, I believed it:rolleyes:

[rocksteady]

. read in any weight pull magazine...... weight pulling is a greatest test in gamness ...

Wow..So if you read it in a magazine its the truth? That means Elivs is alive and at Burger King with JFK... and that Bat Boy and Big Foot are roommates:


The original topic of this dicussion was not does weight pull prove gameness. First off, Since YOU havent the slightest clue on the "Game type" apbts, you dont own them, condition them (and dogs are not humans, so you cannot compare our body fat to theirs..) or live it, you have no right to base your assumptions on just a look..

And how dare u throw a picture of Colby's pinscher up here without knowing the facts. The Fact is Dogs back then were taken down in weight ALOT more than dogs of today. That picture shows him with winter fat not at a conditioned weight as the cold of the eastern states required more weight to be put on during the winter.. He was 75 onthe chian, he was taken down in weight considerebly more .. 56 pounds to be exact. So that means he had a few ribs showing...
Galvins pup was alos a very little dog ;)


Which leads to my next and final point.. The APBT was never bred to be a carbon copy cookie cutter dog. Yes there is an ideal standard.. but it is the heart of these dogs that make them the dogs they are. WORKING Working dogs arent based off of an visual opinion, they are based off their ablitiy to preform at the task THE BREED HAS BEEN DESIGNED FOR. Which sorry to say, isnt weight pulling, showing, schutzhund, agility..

So please get back on topic. The topic is why didnt my larger dog place at an ADBA show and get a second look.. which i explained. Judges dont know breedings of the dogs.. they are simply basing the dog against others in the class agaisnt the conformation standard set forth by the registry. Not every judge is gonna like your dog... They take your money..so who's the bigger sucker?? You for letting them??

[mydawgs]

I was trying not to say anything but I have too....

Your idea of "flawless" apbt's is nothing more than that "am staff" show crap.

I'm glad you said it, cause that is exactly what I was thinkin when I was looking at the pictures. I don't subscribe to the "crap" part as I have an Am Staff, she is simply a different breed of dog, ironically she is too small and skinny for her breed standard. In general this is what is expected of an AmStf:



An American Staffordshire Terrier should give the impression of great strength for his size, a well put together dog, muscular but agile, keenly alive to his surroundings. He should be stocky, not long-leeged or racy in outline.

SIZE - Males measure about 19 inches at the shoulder, females about 18 inches. Weight ranges from 50 to 75 lbs

[GaDog]

Well well well, looks like another dead end thread! You got ams and I got pits. My dog is better than yer dog. It really does sound alittle like a grammar school play ground. My dog is better than your dog, my dogs better than yours, my dogs better cause he eats kennel rations my dogs better than yours. Are yall not tired of this crap yet? I am and I love to argue, mr dog leaving was a big lose. But some of these arguement must be made by the bored and some by the uninformed, and it is borrrrriiinnngggg.
Hey thats my 2 cents worth.

[KnottyBoyNC]

Everybody no need to argue with him.....We all need to chip in a buy him a Mastiff and help him start his own site about em. For him or whoever to even say a dog pulling weights is gameness is pure dumbness. I definitely would've loved to see one of those dogs pulling weights towards Chinaman. I bet he would pull the hell out of those weights going the other way....thats all i will say 4 now

[SWAMPER]

Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Defend2DaEnd]

Okay I gotta say this from a beginners point of view. And from someone who is still learning what I like. I think for what the breed is used for now a days that "starved rat" look is better. Lets say you have two draft horses one pure muscle (with muscled ribs, because I believe that the ribs that you say are showing are more than likely covered with muscle) and one with more fat and some muscle. Which would you beat on to pull weight? (I'm not comparing draft horses to these dogs, I think it is the same with any animal). Like per say, my boyfriend is small (128 lbs and 5'6) very thin but nothing but muscle from moving stuff all day everydady (he is a mover) and he has shown up bigger guys (not saying that a bigger guys couldn't outlift him because there is always someone better). He has stay power to pull off double shifts at his work, as some of the other guys have quit and went home. I want my pup to looked like a drowned rat because I wanna do weight pull. (I know it is to soon). If those dogs were starved they wouldn't have muscling period. I believe they were bred to look like that because my female was just used for light exercise and she turned out all muscular. As greyhounds are normally "skinny" because they were bred that way.
http://pbrc.net/petbull/image/starved.jpg
This is a starved Pit Bull. Notice that it has no muscling and all of it's ribs are showing.

[GaDog]

looks pretty game for a bowl of food

[B]

k go to http://coldsteelkennels.com (http://coldsteelkennels.com/) and click britney. shes also on a pit bull movie http://americanpitbullterrier.org/pitbull_content.html how am i gunna offend people? cuz im standing up for UKC dogs? 120lbs blues? i think not. besides pit bulls can be blue, and they are the prettiest color iv seen on a pit bull. i have seen my dogs pedigree back to the 1870's she is pure and shes not a mutt.
You are VERY naive if you believe a piece of paper! Dogs are not always bred how they are advertised and to think otherwise is foolish. It is obvious that you have a lot to learn.

B

[Big Papa]

big dogs tend to llazy

[DryCreek]

Okay I gotta say this from a beginners point of view. And from someone who is still learning what I like. I think for what the breed is used for now a days that "starved rat" look is better. Lets say you have two draft horses one pure muscle (with muscled ribs, because I believe that the ribs that you say are showing are more than likely covered with muscle) and one with more fat and some muscle. Which would you beat on to pull weight? (I'm not comparing draft horses to these dogs, I think it is the same with any animal). Like per say, my boyfriend is small (128 lbs and 5'6) very thin but nothing but muscle from moving stuff all day everydady (he is a mover) and he has shown up bigger guys (not saying that a bigger guys couldn't outlift him because there is always someone better). He has stay power to pull off double shifts at his work, as some of the other guys have quit and went home. I want my pup to looked like a drowned rat because I wanna do weight pull. (I know it is to soon). If those dogs were starved they wouldn't have muscling period. I believe they were bred to look like that because my female was just used for light exercise and she turned out all muscular. As greyhounds are normally "skinny" because they were bred that way.
http://pbrc.net/petbull/image/starved.jpg
This is a starved Pit Bull. Notice that it has no muscling and all of it's ribs are showing.

Defend2DaEnd---whoohooo your boyfriend got game LMAO Just Kidding....;):)
I applaud you on a very well written post:)

[DryCreek]

The only way that weight pulling could even come close to proving "gameness" is if you assaulted your dog while it is pulling.Hit it,pinch it,shoot it with a load of rocksalt, whatever,and if it ignores you and keeps pulling,it might got game.

[The Watcher]

"fact that ADBA pits starved and unheathly"
that is not a fact.
"who likes there animals ribs showing?"
who likes 75 # monsters..? ;) PS- it says Pit Bull Comm. not monster UKC mutts- SO IF YA DONT LIKE OUR "RATS", y not go elsewhere, I dont bother u UKC cur dog owners.......
"my dog can walk 4 hours without getting tired "
says nothing about her gameness.
"if the dog wasnt game she would just give up. DUH!. "
lol, so ur sayin a St. Bernard is Game...... LOL, I beg to differ.
"thats why they say its the best way to prove gamness other than fighting."
LOL.. "they"
"weight pulling is a greatest test in gamness since fighting"
wrong, there is only one test for gameness (which is illegal now) weight pulling is simply a FUN activity to enjoy with any breed of dog, btw- APBT do not dominate the pulling world-
"just face it im right "
no, you are very prideful and ignorant to the world of the true APBT
"ur stupidity offends me."
your ignorance is imbarasing.

[Defend2DaEnd]

Defend2DaEnd---whoohooo your boyfriend got game LMAO Just Kidding....;):)
I applaud you on a very well written post:)
Lol Yea he is all game at work.....

[americandream]

o.k explain what you think game is. one test for gameness? what would that be? you think your sooo smart lets hear it..... explain all! the dogs i posted are UKC standard dogs...... they fit the standard. if you dont think so go to http://americanpitbullterrier.org and look at conformation.

[The Watcher]

as I already said, the test for Gamness is Illegal.
ps I caught the link the first time.......;)
dont come to a peaceful Pit Bull Comm. and start crap, are u fishing? Go find a forum with ur own kind ;)

[americandream]

fighting is a test for gameness BECAUSE the dog does NOT give up no matter how long the fight has to be. do you know how hard it is to pull weight? the dog has to try so hard just to move that cart an inch but only the good GAME dogs dont give up. doesnt that make sence?

[The Watcher]

weight pulling is not a test for gameness, many breeds of dogs are used for pulling, the APBT is NOT at the top of the list.
"but only the good GAME dogs dont give up."
I will say it one more time, weight pulling IS NOT a test for gameness. It seems that it is a comforting though for some to say: "well he pulled weight, so he mus be game."
the word "game" is reserved for a select few, PLEASE stop tossing it around lightly. Please stop comparing ur dogs to true game APBT's but, bashing them at the same time. Does that make sense?

[RHI]

fighting is a test for gameness BECAUSE the dog does NOT give up no matter how long the fight has to be. do you know how hard it is to pull weight? the dog has to try so hard just to move that cart an inch but only the good GAME dogs dont give up. doesnt that make sence?
The dogs not getting hurt though, a gamedog, will not quite, reguardless of how bad he is being "HURT" he will NOT quite no matter what the circurstances and how bad he is hurt or how bad he's loosing "IF" thats the case.....he's there for the duration, win or loose.....

[CB]

fighting is a test for gameness BECAUSE the dog does NOT give up no matter how long the fight has to be. do you know how hard it is to pull weight? the dog has to try so hard just to move that cart an inch but only the good GAME dogs dont give up. doesnt that make sence?They are not GAME. These people that are talking to you about the breed have been around these dogs for over 20 years. Im sure you been around it about not even 5 years. Its good your dog can pull weights. But does not in any way mean your dog is "Game". Dont act like you know more then people on her about the breed because you will your ass handed to you everytime. But im sure there is a nice AmStaff forum that would love to have you and your dog on there. But till then this a "starved rat" (in her words) forum nad ill stick here where the true breed is.

[mydawgs]

o.k explain what you think game is. one test for gameness? what would that be? you think your sooo smart lets hear it..... explain all! the dogs i posted are UKC standard dogs...... they fit the standard. if you dont think so go to http://americanpitbullterrier.org (http://americanpitbullterrier.org/) and look at conformation.
I think Fifty said it very well for a true game bred APBT......It is my opinion many breeds of dogs can exhibit game at their chosen GAME. If a Blood Hound continues to track his target through extreme difficulty he is exhibiting game FOR A BLOOD HOUND - his game is finding things.

When and only when referring to pure game bred APBT, the only way to prove the dogs ability to be game is in the PIT....there are guidelines by which these dogs were standardized for this game. The message I am receiving is dogs that fall outside of the standard - defined for performing in the Pit, shouldn't be CALLED APBTs.

If the GAME is pulling, maybe an AM Staff can demonstrate his ability to not give up pulling....I'm not sure what that means but it is not even remotely related to the test of game for a pure game bred APBT. The test of game for an APBT pretty much weeded out the non-conformers (one might assume those that did not fall within the standard guidlines tended to be less successful than those that did), which were then NOT chosen for breeding. At least that is what the history indicates.

[RollinRuger]

k go to http://coldsteelkennels.com (http://coldsteelkennels.com/) and click britney. shes also on a pit bull movie http://americanpitbullterrier.org/pitbull_content.html how am i gunna offend people? cuz im standing up for UKC dogs? 120lbs blues? i think not. besides pit bulls can be blue, and they are the prettiest color iv seen on a pit bull. i have seen my dogs pedigree back to the 1870's she is pure and shes not a mutt.
http://coldsteelkennels.com
haha lol. you have to be kidding...right?

[The Watcher]

PR booty, are these dogs considered game?
http://alaskansaint.com/World%20Championship.htm
cause they sure are pullin!
according to what ur sayin, these dogs are game, which means they could be bred as "game" dogs, NOT!

[americandream]

what only pit bulls could be considered game? they are dogs...... they are not some different animal. whaty do you mean you gotta be kidding? like i posted before i hate that kennel with a passion, but it has bit's pedigree on it...... or cant u read?

[princess_koka]

my dog can walk 4 hours without getting tired shes 75 lbs hemphill/wallace. shes huge. and what you think is not game bred. but if she wasnt then could she be a hog baiter? or a weight puller? just because the dog is huge and there ribs are not showing doesnt mean they can exercise for hours and not be tired.
Any pics of her?

[RollinRuger]

what only pit bulls could be considered game? they are dogs...... they are not some different animal. whaty do you mean you gotta be kidding? like i posted before i hate that kennel with a passion, but it has bit's pedigree on it...... or cant u read?
I beleive its time for you to keep you wretchid little mouth shut and move on elsewhere to a group who will be as ignorant as you. They will except you and con"cur" (lol) with you statments like weight pulling is a modern day game test. They will also except that the ukc mutts are the real deal and be happy to discuss them with you. If you didn't notice this site is Game Dog.com not cur mutt .com so like i said unless you get off on argueing your wrong point its time to move on.

[rocksteady]

fighting is a test for gameness BECAUSE the dog does NOT give up no matter how long the fight has to be. do you know how hard it is to pull weight? the dog has to try so hard just to move that cart an inch but only the good GAME dogs dont give up. doesnt that make sence?

LMAO AllI have to say is,

PLEASE Show some CLASS.....

[mydawgs]

Originally Posted by 'PR'bootay
what only pit bulls could be considered game? they are dogs...... they are not some different animal. whaty do you mean you gotta be kidding? like i posted before i hate that kennel with a passion, but it has bit's pedigree on it...... or cant u read?

PR, I don't think we are talking about Pit Bulls, which I think today means a collection of breeds: Am Stfs, Staffy Bulls, APBT, Even Staffordshire Terriers, these folks are talking about APBTs ONLY when referring to game.

Not to be disrespectful, but your dog may be game for a BIG ASS 120 lb dog that competes in weight pulling-------BUT NOT GAME AS AN APBT IS MEASURED

The games are different and cannot be compared, therefore you can't compare the dogs, it's like trying to compare Joe Louis and Chuck Vogelpohl

[rocksteady]

what only pit bulls could be considered game? they are dogs...... they are not some different animal. whaty do you mean you gotta be kidding? like i posted before i hate that kennel with a passion, but it has bit's pedigree on it...... or cant u read?



You should rethink that last statement you made.. show a little civility towards Fifty.. he has way more respect on this board and amongst apbt owners everywhere ..

[mydawgs]

You should rethink that last statement you made.. show a little civility towards Fifty.. he has way more respect on this board and amongst apbt owners everywhere ..
I'm with you on this 100%.......Fifty is derserving of the utmost respect!

[mike333]

I myself agree.It's okay to state your opinions but do so in a mature respectable fashion.Dont bash another persons opinion just cuz ur heads in your ass.Frankly I dont appreciate you sayin"They all look like drowned rats"sorry to bringing that back up but it caught my eye.Fifty is a very resourcefull person he's organizing a relief effort for the victims of Katrina and he's full of helpfull info.if you took a second to try & learn/understand you would see this.No disrepect but you should think before you just call someone's dogs starved drowning rats.http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif

[bam-bam's mom]

fifty is the sweetest most carring person around!!! he loves them dogs like most people love air to breath....your way the hell out of line sayen his dogs look like starved rats!! i personally think fifty has wonderful dogs!! some of the best looken i've seen in a bit!! so slow your roll!!!!! respect those who actually have game dogs, not mutts!!!!!

[Texasbulldogs]

“fighting is a test for gameness BECAUSE the dog does NOT give up no matter how long the fight has to be.”
Please list the attributes that make a dog quit.

“do you know how hard it is to pull weight?”
Very easy, any breed of dog in the world can weight pull, some just more competitive than others.

“the dog has to try so hard just to move that cart an inch but only the good GAME dogs dont give up.”
Weight pulling is testing a dog’s strength not gameness, hence the reason for adding more weight!

[CB]

“fighting is a test for gameness BECAUSE the dog does NOT give up no matter how long the fight has to be.”
Please list the attributes that make a dog quit.

“do you know how hard it is to pull weight?”
Very easy, any breed of dog in the world can weight pull, some just more competitive than others.

“the dog has to try so hard just to move that cart an inch but only the good GAME dogs dont give up.”
Weight pulling is testing a dog’s strength not gameness, hence the reason for adding more weight!Very good post as usual Tex.

[rocksteady]

fifty is the sweetest most carring person around!!! he loves them dogs like most people love air to breath....your way the hell out of line sayen his dogs look like starved rats!! i personally think fifty has wonderful dogs!! some of the best looken i've seen in a bit!! so slow your roll!!!!! respect those who actually have game dogs, not mutts!!!!!
she never said HIS dogs looked liked starved rats ;) She was referring to all game type dogs ..... not his in particular...

[The Watcher]

"what only pit bulls could be considered game?"
In the true sense of the word, YES!!
"or cant u read?"
why are you insulting people, that are only trying to help you?
shows ur intelligence.............

[SFK]

Damn Fifty, always with the drama! LOL! These big cur people will never understand. They don't have a clue. I hope your DBL Dragon male is making you as happy as mine! ;). & if you want to see those big dogs pull some real weight, put a bulldog behind em'.

[The Watcher]

Damn Fifty, always with the drama! LOL! These big cur people will never understand. They don't have a clue. I hope your DBL Dragon male is making you as happy as mine! ;). & if you want to see those big dogs pull some real weight, put a bulldog behind em'.;) "Man" is doin Great!! I only hope others can stumble across the blood as well. Dragon is an first class bulldog!

[El Mexicano]

if you want to see those big dogs pull some real weight, put a bulldog behind em'.

jajaja true that true that,jajaja,cur ass dogs,my little ankle biters could weight pull.

[americandream]

ya everyones allowed to say UKC mutts wich is not true, my dog has a lot of the same ansestery as yours. and i say what i think ADBA APBT's look like and thats not right? i dont get it. you gotta agree that there is more then one way of seeing if a dog is game or not. if anyone is respectible they would agree with that.... theres millions of was of training and theres a lot of ways of seeing if a dog is game. you people couldnt even tell me what you think game is.

[Marty]

How long have you been around APBTs?

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

like many people have already typed....there is only one way to see if a dog is game and that is not legal anymore.


you gotta agree that there is more then one way of seeing if a dog is game or not.

[CB]

ya everyones allowed to say UKC mutts wich is not true, my dog has a lot of the same ansestery as yours. and i say what i think ADBA APBT's look like and thats not right? i dont get it. you gotta agree that there is more then one way of seeing if a dog is game or not. if anyone is respectible they would agree with that.... theres millions of was of training and theres a lot of ways of seeing if a dog is game. you people couldnt even tell me what you think game is.There is no other way of proving your dog is GAME except the original way it was done way back in the 1800's. Just except that your dog is cur because i have excepted that my dog is a cur and im sitll proud of him. But dont go off telling everybody that your "Pitbull" is a Game dog. Its dogs that are in UKC that are on the new there always 100lbs blue mutts. Just excepty the fact that your dog is not GAME alot of us already have.

[rocksteady]

we dont "gotta" agree with anything .. so quit ur cryin and come up with factual info from experience before you say anything else

your dog may be a great UKC specim.. no one is raggin on her for that. But dont expect to get love with what you are sayin.. when you yourself dont own, havent owned and quite frankly dont know anything about game dogs ..

[mydawgs]

Damn Fifty, always with the drama! LOL! These big cur people will never understand. They don't have a clue. I hope your DBL Dragon male is making you as happy as mine! ;). & if you want to see those big dogs pull some real weight, put a bulldog behind em'.
Damn, SFK you got me rollin with that visual!!!!!!!

[americandream]

like i said no one can tell me what game is. ??

[SFK]

SSHHUURRE, How 'bout checkers, Dominoes, or maybe.. GO FISH?????

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

dang girl, u too fine to be this hardheaded.





like i said no one can tell me what game is. ??

[mike333]

SSHHUURRE, How 'bout checkers, Dominoes, or maybe.. GO FISH?????LOL.How's about poker?Ha,Ha,Ha.

[americandream]

hard headed nope, just trying to prove the theory that "theres only one way to prove game" wrong. and im gunna do it as soon as someone tells me what they think game means.

[tommy3]

like i said no one can tell me what game is. ??
Gameness is the willingness to continue no matter the circumstances or consequence. Weight pulling doesn't even have a consequence.

[Crash97]

you gotta agree that there is more then one way of seeing if a dog is game or not. Only one way of determining gameness...period. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

[Marty]

hard headed nope, just trying to prove the theory that "theres only one way to prove game" wrong. and im gunna do it as soon as someone tells me what they think game means.Ok go here its a thread on gameness http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4366
I hope it helps.

[americandream]

yes it does.... to not please the owner. thats HORRIBLE for a true pit bull...... HA i did it! lol

[Marty]

hard headed nope, just trying to prove the theory that "theres only one way to prove game" wrong. and im gunna do it as soon as someone tells me what they think game means.Sorry but you can not prove shit to nobody, theres only one way. :(

[CB]

Look just take it you are defeated by us. We know more about GAME-DOGS then you and were trying to tell you but you dont seem to want to listen so im going to stop.

[Marty]

HA i did it! lolLmfao did what?

[americandream]

no its true though. a pit bull would do anything to please there owner. right?

[mike333]

Lmfao did what?Yeah,did what??

[americandream]

read back a couple posts...... i proved something and its pissing people off

[Marty]

no its true though. a pit bull would do anything to please there owner. right?If your dog is damn near dead in a fight and keeps going it might be game!
Have you tryed that?
No I didn't think so, so you have no idea what gameness is!

[americandream]

no but have you seen a dog hurt its leg in a weight pull and still try to pull? iv heard it happens.

[CB]

no but have you seen a dog hurt its leg in a weight pull and still try to pull? iv heard it happens.Doesnt mean there game at all.

[mike333]

no but have you seen a dog hurt its leg in a weight pull and still try to pull? iv heard it happens.If I understand correctly u said u heard it...not SEEN it.Hearsay isnt reliable.

[Marty]

no but have you seen a dog hurt its leg in a weight pull and still try to pull? iv heard it happens.LMFAO I'm out of it :(

[americandream]

so im lieing? i also heard they explode on the inside too. and i heard this all at the weight pull comp a was at.

[Marty]

so im lieing? i also head they explode on the inside too. and i heard this all at the weight pull comp a was at.When you see a dog with its two front legs broke and still keep going, then you can say you know what game is.

[CB]

so im lieing? i also heard they explode on the inside too. and i heard this all at the weight pull comp a was at.Key word you are saying is "Heard". I mean i can say i heard a pit bull kicked 20 wolf's ass and walked out without a scar.

[mike333]

I didnt say u where lying I said exactly hearsay isnt reliable.Someones signature on this site{sorry I cant remeber who it is} is a good example:Believe none of what u hear and only half of what u see.

[PHILA APBT]

lmao @ this thread

[americandream]

ya but that woulod be lieing and im not lieing. why would people say "this dog is game bred" when fighting was illigal a long ass time ago? how would they know? anyways i will carry on proving a point later i gotta eat dinner.

[mike333]

Honestly,U aint proved shit like marty said theres only way to prove it.Again IT'S NOT LIEING JUST NOT RELIABLE BIG DIFFERENCE DONT BELIEVE IT TILL IT'S PROVEN.Your contridicting ur self by saying how would they know?Well how would u know?Prove that point for me!

[Dpres1]

You kinda goofy :D
That's alright, though. I kinda like that.
You aren't here to learn, are you? Just here to argue about a subject you don't really have a clue about. Do your dogs even weight pull? Didn't you post a question on the NOOB FAQ on how to train a dog to pull? If you know soooooo much about this subject, what's really goin on?

I mean no disrespect to you but you know very little about this breed. You are ignorant about the past, present, and future of these dogs. Please do more reading and less posting, seriously. There is a wealth of knowledge to be learned here and you will miss it if you keep on acting like you know what the hell you're talking about. Arguing with people who have had decades of experience with working dogs with info you read in a magazine or heard someone say at a show is assanine. :confused:

[CB]

You kinda goofy :D
That's alright, though. I kinda like that.
You aren't here to learn, are you? Just here to argue about a subject you don't really have a clue about. Do your dogs even weight pull? Didn't you post a question on the NOOB FAQ on how to train a dog to pull? If you know soooooo much about this subject, what's really goin on?

I mean no disrespect to you but you know very little about this breed. You are ignorant about the past, present, and future of these dogs. Please do more reading and less posting, seriously. There is a wealth of knowledge to be learned here and you will miss it if you keep on acting like you know what the hell you're talking about. Arguing with people who have had decades of experience with working dogs with info you read in a magazine or heard someone say at a show is assanine. :confused:Very very well said.

[americandream]

i know about weight pulling my dog pulled 3,900 lbs. at her first show. and i trained her to do it. the pro's where very impressed with me and my dog so there ya go..... to me what i think game is almost every pit bull has it. its the breed and they never give up. no matter what. im not gunna sit around while you say UKC dogs are 100 lbs blue hog mutts. because its not true.

[PHILA APBT]

i know about weight pulling my dog pulled 3,900 lbs. at her first show. and i trained her to do it. the pro's where very impressed with me and my dog so there ya go..... to me what i think game is almost every pit bull has it. its the breed and they never give up. no matter what. im not gunna sit around while you say UKC dogs are 100 lbs blue hog mutts. because its not true.
Not all, most. I have curs, I know it, live with it and dont deny it. Now its your turn

[CB]

Your right they arent hog dogs there just plain ole mutts as most of UKC dogs are. But if you know so much about weight pulling then why were you askinging in the the newbie forum how to get your puppy trained to weight pull. Even i know that a puppy should not be starting weight pullint till the dog is atleast a year old and shouldnt pull nothing. So now you tell me if you know all this stuff about weight pulling then why are you trying to train a puppy. if you dont remember the post here it is.
http://game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8070

[CB]

Not all, most. I have curs, I know it, live with it and dont deny it. Now its your turnThank you. I have a cur and im proud of my dog so why dont you just come out and say it. Your dog isnt game in one bit.

[americandream]

i said stuff to help him learn fast LATER on.... eg. obedence train...... READ IT

[CB]

i said stuff to help him learn fast LATER on.... eg. obedence train...... READ IT"hey i wanna train my puppy to be a weight puller".To me your asking how your pup can learn. But oh well it was in your words. But why dont you just get yourself a real APBT and then you can come back and see where we are coming from. But till then just sit down and learn before you post. Thats all i have to say. Im really not trying to get on you but you just have to learn and not argue. About a year ago i was just like you but worse and people bashed the hell out of me but i came out of mad and wanted learn. And all of that has lead me to today where i now have learned alot about the breed but still not enough. So site back and learn.

[americandream]

i like UKC pits i could never have a ADBA dog because the fact that they are bred to look to skinny. no matter what my friend did to his ADBA pit it still looked skinny and the animal cops kept getting called on him. i wouldnt be able to put up with that. i can teach my pup to be a weight puller, like i did to my 4 year old. but having exercises and stuff to help him later on is the key...... and no one posted to that post so i guess no one knows or no one will help me learn so how do i sit back and learn?

[Dpres1]

Oh, I read it. And might I add that protection training w/ an APBT for a novice like yourself is a terrible idea. :rolleyes:
I also know of a 40 lb "starved rat" bitch that pulled damn near 9,000 lbs. as compared to your 70+ lb cur pulling 3,900. What did she pull her 2nd time?
Actually, you know what? Don't answer! I don't want to perpetuate this any further.

[CB]

i like UKC pits i could never have a ADBA dog because the fact that they are bred to look to skinny. no matter what my friend did to his ADBA pit it still looked skinny and the animal cops kept getting called on him. i wouldnt be able to put up with that. i can teach my pup to be a weight puller, like i did to my 4 year old. but having exercises and stuff to help him later on is the key...... and no one posted to that post so i guess no one knows or no one will help me learn so how do i sit back and learn?ADBA is TRYING to keep true to the breed (but arent doing a very good job) and are trying to keep the way a real APBT should look like. If you want to learn then stop posting stupid stuff that you dont know about. That is how you learn and if you want to post then post and ask questions and learn from that.

[americandream]

i wanna learn about UKC dogs. not ADBA dog because i will never own one... and i already told you why. all you guys are ADBA people so how am i supposta learn for that?


what the hell are you talking about the 2nd time? she pulled like 10 times that day. it was her first show. i didnt even exspect her to pull half of what she did. i already have a protection trained mastiff/rottie he was my first dog..... his latest trick is "mama" i taught him to say words. im not exactly a novice when it comes to training an animal. try training a horse, much more dangerous.

[Marty]

Oh, I read it. And might I add that protection training w/ an APBT for a novice like yourself is a terrible idea. :rolleyes:
I also know of a 40 lb "starved rat" bitch that pulled damn near 9,000 lbs. as compared to your 70+ lb cur pulling 3,900. What did she pull her 2nd time?
Actually, you know what? Don't answer! I don't want to perpetuate this any further.Well I saw a 26lb dog pull 2,600lbs her name was "Try and stop her," thats a 100 times her weight, but it don't make her game!

[CB]

i wanna learn about UKC dogs. not ADBA dog because i will never own one... and i already told you why. all you guys are ADBA people so how am i supposta learn for that?


what the hell are you talking about the 2nd time? she pulled like 10 times that day. it was her first show. i didnt even exspect her to pull half of what she did. i already have a protection trained mastiff/rottie he was my first dog..... his latest trick is "mama" i taught him to say words. im not exactly a novice when it comes to training an animal. try training a horse, much more dangerous.Well sorry to say but your on the wrong site then since were "ADBA" people. You make this thing into a whole racist thing almost like oh your ADBA im UKC its so dumb lol.

[americandream]

im not the one saying ADBA dogs are mutts. i just mentioned what they look like. you gotta admit having very little to no badyfat is not at all healthy. and im not gunna learn from negitive stuff about the kind of pit bull i like. they are just as athletic and just because they are big doesnt mean they cant exercise for hours. bigger dogs need more "conditioning"

[Marty]

i wanna learn about UKC dogs. not ADBA dog because i will never own one... and i already told you why. all you guys are ADBA people so how am i supposta learn for that?Well just set back and learn, read this site from first to last post not just threads, read it all I promise you will learn what you need to know, you will learn that a fat dog is not healthy for one thing, I see the UKCs dogs are over weight, it cant be healthy on the dog, it's just like over weight people it's just not healthy no matter what breed you own!

[CB]

Well just set back and learn, read this site from first to last post not just threads, read it all I promise you will learn what you need to know, you will learn that a fat dog is not healthy for one thing, I see the UKCs dogs are over weight, it cant be healthy on the dog, it's just like over weight people it's just not healthy no matter what breed you own!Nicely said marty. And he isnt kidding around when you can learn stuff on this site. I learned everything i know today on this site and a couple good books.

[Verderben]

every dog on where? coldsteel? ya i hate that kennel with a passion. britney lost 7 pounds since i got her. they breed for money. they dont show, or anything. those dogs look part Cane Corso. (below are purebred Cane Corsos from a show kennel that I know) tell me those dogs dont look like the dogs on that cold steel page

http://www.vintagecanecorsos.com/butterscotch9-3-03.JPG
http://www.vintagecanecorsos.com/tn_2pupsblack&blue.jpeg
(http://www.vintagecanecorsos.com/tn_2pupsblack&blue.jpeg)http://www.vintagecanecorsos.com/thorreadytoattack62004tn_.jpg

[americandream]

i know that, it cuz the owner is irrsponsible... they dont exercise the dog. britney was fat too i excerised the shit outta her and she lost 7 lbs any more and her ribs would be showing. and you people said shes a little over weight.... i think not shes perfect. all i wanna know is training secrets that i dont already know, my puppy is gunna be like my mastiff/rottie highly trained and inteligent but i wanna learn about training not how and what about regestration....blah blah blah. all this is, is me thinking game means something else. not giving up no matter what. you guys think never give up even if it comes to death. its the same just u think its game stronger than i do. did that make sense? if i didnt ..... u and game...... not give up even when it comes to death me and game..... not giving up not matter what as in mentally.

[americandream]

ummm eww i think not thats one ugly dog! coldsteel dogs are 'PR' dogs they just are not at all exercised thats why they look like shit. you should seen bit bit when i first got her....lol

[mike333]

Honestly,U aint proved shit like marty said theres only way to prove it.Again IT'S NOT LIEING JUST NOT RELIABLE BIG DIFFERENCE DONT BELIEVE IT TILL IT'S PROVEN.Your contridicting ur self by saying how would they know?Well how would u know?Prove that point for me!Just never heard you reply to this.Still waiting.

[mike333]

ya but that woulod be lieing and im not lieing. why would people say "this dog is game bred" when fighting was illigal a long ass time ago? how would they know? anyways i will carry on proving a point later i gotta eat dinner.This is the statement u made I replied to.

[Verderben]

Just except that your dog is cur because i have excepted that my dog is a cur and im sitll proud of him.
Well said. I too have come to except my dog is a cur but I love him anyways ;)

[mike333]

Yeah, my girls a cur but I dont love her any less.

[Red Hound]

what's a cur

[Verderben]

ummm eww i think not thats one ugly dog! coldsteel dogs are 'PR' dogs they just are not at all exercised thats why they look like shit. you should seen bit bit when i first got her....lol
HAHA they you must think your dog is ugly because those cold steel dogs could be twins with those Cane Corsos. and 'PR' doesnt mean shit IMO

[mike333]

HAHA they you must think your dog is ugly because those cold steel dogs could be twins with those Cane Corsos. and 'PR' doesnt mean shit IMO
You gotta point there.lol

[Dpres1]

britney was fat too i excerised the shit outta her and she lost 7 lbs any more and her ribs would be showing. and you people said shes a little over weight.... i think not shes perfect........me and game..... not giving up not matter what as in mentally.
I do not mean this as an insult, but she is fat. Sorry, but my Tank is more conditioned than her and he's a friggin Dogue de Bordeaux, which is saying a lot!! And you are correct, you are mental and won't give up LMAO!!!
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/3/1/5/7/Britney_Feb2105.jpg http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/8/3/3/img_2469.jpg

[Raider]

Hi I am a newbie and was reading this whole thread to try and learn a couple of things about gameness. Here is what i got, gameness can only be measured in a pit. That though, has been banned for quite a while, the question i need answered now is, I know you guys consider your dogs game, how exactly is that determined.just curious, fifty you seem to be very knowledgeable on abpts, how do you determine your dogs gameness, or will we never know?

[Dpres1]

Raider, is that a trick question or something? You just answered your own inquiry.

[Raider]

That's why I put or because i wasn't sure.

[Dpres1]

edit**blah blah blah** Speech is not free in this country!**blah blah blah**edit

[americandream]

ya morron that what she looked like BEFORE i first got her now look is she fat anymore? nope.

[americandream]

thats what she was her whole life. i took a run down breeding dog and turned her into a weight pulling dog and a dog that does tricks...... and shes 4. when i first got her she couldnt even walk on a leash proper. thats how much she was worked with BEFORE i got her. if you aske me i did pretty damn good.

beside she just had pups after that pic that u posted.

[mike333]

Honestly,she was fat like u said BEFORE u got'er.I think she looks good but if you conditioned'er a bit she would actually suprise you as far as her capabillities go.

[americandream]

like i said any more weight loss her ribs would be showing...... not healthy. shes perfect right now.

[mike333]

Notice I said IF.It's your dog you do what u want to with it just some advice.

[mike333]

Ribs showing dosent mean she's not healty.Infact when they get like your talking bout they exhuast heat from theyre bodies better than heavier dogs meaning they can perform a task for a longer period of time.

[americandream]

i hope your tenny doesnt end up a bone rack that would be sad.

[americandream]

ask your vet what heathly weight is if anyone the vet knows best for the dog. he told me if you can feel em but cant see em or barley, there perfect.

[jillian]

look I have trained horses and dogs and even a pot bellied pig but you sound like you are full of shit no offence but you dont make any sence to me you know soooooo much about training dogs but you dont? I mean i have read all your post on this subject and it sounds to me like you are trying to know what the hell you are talkn bout but yet you dont i agree with everyone else you should find a ukc club and talk about how lovely your dog is there insted of insulting our dogs and stiring up a bunch of shit get my drift?other wise sit back and shut up and you might learn something,as it has been said time and time agian you cant argue with the folks on here you will have your ass handed to you every time.I guess you have nothing better to do than try and prove your pointless points.I will say this has made for some intresting reading well thats all i got



i wanna learn about UKC dogs. not ADBA dog because i will never own one... and i already told you why. all you guys are ADBA people so how am i supposta learn for that?


what the hell are you talking about the 2nd time? she pulled like 10 times that day. it was her first show. i didnt even exspect her to pull half of what she did. i already have a protection trained mastiff/rottie he was my first dog..... his latest trick is "mama" i taught him to say words. im not exactly a novice when it comes to training an animal. try training a horse, much more dangerous.

[mike333]

Bone rack?Is that what u think?Your more bull-headed than I thought...god.Please read a book about conditioning or a related BOOK.Not trying to influence you or sway your thoughts but pleeease...read about it.Maybe it could shed some light on the subject.

[americandream]

get serious! i just looked at that thread got game..... with what you think game is why in the hell would you want a game dog? i hope the cops find ya and throw ur ass in the pokey fighting dogs is inhumane. and to breed a dog with game is just as bad thats how accidents happen.


j- i HAVE my colt breaking certificate i HAVE fully trained a dog.....i do know how to train animals if finding different methods a crime? how do i learn from idiots that egg me on?

[mike333]

get serious! i just looked at that thread got game..... with what you think game is why in the hell would you want a game dog? i hope the cops find ya and throw ur ass in the pokey fighting dogs is inhumane. and to breed a dog with game is just as bad thats how accidents happen.


j- i HAVE my colt breaking certificate i HAVE fully trained a dog.....i do know how to train animals if finding different methods a crime? how do i learn from idiots that egg me on?
wuz tha first part intended for me?

[americandream]

why..... guilty

[mike333]

why..... guiltyWTF!!!does this look guilty?the pups bloated from water.

[americandream]

if you want a game dog soooooo bad...... why wouldnt you be?

that pup is way bloated u should take him to the vet.

[americandream]

good night eggers, and other people sitting back with there popcorn lol j/k. if im bored tomorrow i guess i have to post some more.

[rocksteady]

Hi I am a newbie and was reading this whole thread to try and learn a couple of things about gameness. Here is what i got, gameness can only be measured in a pit. That though, has been banned for quite a while, the question i need answered now is, I know you guys consider your dogs game, how exactly is that determined.just curious, fifty you seem to be very knowledgeable on abpts, how do you determine your dogs gameness, or will we never know?
thats like asking how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop Mr owl???

the world may never know.........


And please, there is a big difference between "game bred" and "game"

[Crash97]

PR you're most definitely in the wrong place. Ya hate ADBA and their "starved rats". You think UKC dogs are indicative of what the breed should be. You ask questions in order to bait people into an argument (or worse). You just plain ol will not listen to anything here.

So why the hell are ya here? There is nothing for ya, unless you're on a veggie head surfing expedition.

[Marty]

good night eggers, and other people sitting back with there popcorn lol j/k. if im bored tomorrow i guess i have to post some more.Well I could set you up to where you cant post just read then do you think you could learn?
It seems to me your only trying to start trouble not learn!
And if you already know everthing maybe you dont need to be here!

[The Watcher]

"my dog has a lot of the same ansestery as yours"
WRONG!
"and i say what i think ADBA APBT's look like and thats not right? i dont get it."
you can say what u want, long as its tasteful and respectful. It is the constant disrepect and insulting of others that I have a problem with.
"you gotta agree that there is more then one way of seeing if a dog is game or not"
no I DONT AGREE. I think if thats how you feel, youve must not seen a TRUE game dog before.
"many ways to prove they are game....if anyone is respectible they would agree with that..."
any repsectable breeder would disagree.
"you people couldnt even tell me what you think game is."
If YOU do not understand what true gameness is I would be more than happy to explain to you in PM. harharhar... a cur dog owners las thought before falling asleep:
"he pulled so he mus be game!" :D pride comes before fall.
"dang girl, u too fine to be this hardheaded."
B? dont LIE to her, she is already, mislead enough.;) and from the looks of things, she believes everything ppl say.
"unless you're on a veggie head surfing expedition."
LOL, Crash-
"Well I could set you up to where you cant post just read then do you think you could learn?"
might be the only thing we can do Marty!

[RIVES PITS]

Lmfao This Is Good Stuff!

[SFK]

what's a cur
CUR = FERTILIZER.

[SFK]

Man, I thought Deisel was hard-headed. There are people on this site who have been into bulldogs longer than this young lady has been on the earth. But because of her "magic magazine" & Weightpulling hearsay I think she should be made super moderator so she can straighten the rest of us out. I certainly believe I must be under-feeding my dogs, there nowhere near 70#s! Didn't she say earlier that her dog walks 4 miles? Try 16-20 in 2 hrs! Then tell me how far you had to pull your dog!

[mydawgs]

Lmfao This Is Good Stuff!
Better than TV!!!!

[tommy3]

5 Ideal
Ribs palpable without excess fat covering. Waist observed behind ribs when viewed from above. Abdominal tuck evident.

6 Overweight
Ribs palpable with slight excess fat covering. Waist is discernible viewed from above but is not prominent. Abdominal tuck apparent.

This picture is the ideal weight of all dogs. Palpable basically means visible.

[tommy3]

You seem to like dogs that are in the 7 range. This not healthy.

7 Heavy
Ribs palpable with difficulty, heavy fat cover. Noticeable fat deposits over lumbar area and base of tail. Waist absent or barely visible. Abdominal tuck may be absent.

8 Obese
Ribs not palpable under very heavy fat cover, or palpable only with significant pressure. Heavy fat deposits over lumbar area and base of tail. Waist absent. No abdominal tuck. Obvious abdominal distension may be present.

[CB]

You seem to like dogs that are in the 7 range. This not healthy.

7 Heavy
Ribs palpable with difficulty, heavy fat cover. Noticeable fat deposits over lumbar area and base of tail. Waist absent or barely visible. Abdominal tuck may be absent.

8 Obese
Ribs not palpable under very heavy fat cover, or palpable only with significant pressure. Heavy fat deposits over lumbar area and base of tail. Waist absent. No abdominal tuck. Obvious abdominal distension may be present.
Thanks for putting that up Tommy. And her dog looks exactly like that to. But i guess marty must have tooken away her post because i cant see them. Im glad you stepped in marty because i had the feeling that it was going to get really heated in here.

[Marty]

But i guess marty must have tooken away her post because i cant see them. Im glad you stepped in marty because i had the feeling that it was going to get really heated in here.no her post are still there her rep want let ya see them, go to your user control and set you filter to -300 and you will be able to see them.

[SouthernDixie]

no her post are still there her rep want let ya see them, go to your user control and set you filter to -300 and you will be able to see them.
Marty, is there a way to check your own rep? I've been looking but my computer illiteracy is gettin' to me!

[bam-bam's mom]

i was gonna ask the same question?? also to sound even dumber~where do you change the user control at???

[Marty]

Marty, is there a way to check your own rep? I've been looking but my computer illiteracy is gettin' to me! just click on your name on the site and in your profile go to the bottom of the page you will see it :)

You have no good and no bad so it dont show up.

[Marty]

i was gonna ask the same question?? also to sound even dumber~where do you change the user control at???In your profile look for User Options

[SouthernDixie]

Thanks Marty

okay guys, now that Marty has helped those of us who lack computer skills.... you may now return to the thread topic lol. :)

[americandream]

why di you delete my last posts? i didnt say anything bad. i was proving a point.

[americandream]

why did you delete my last posts?

[CB]

why did you delete my last posts?Shut up yo have nothing good to say on this site.

[Marty]

why di you delete my last posts? i didnt say anything bad. i was proving a point.Your post are still there! your reputation is now -51, most people want be able to see them!

[americandream]

i dont care. you should exspect people to be pissed when you say UKC dogs are mutts, and you egge them on. i really dont give a shit what people think of me.

[The Watcher]

i dont care. you should exspect people to be pissed when you say UKC dogs are mutts, and you egge them on. i really dont give a shit what people think of me.
great, then read, loose the keyboard. ;)

[Marty]

i really dont give a shit what people think of me.
You really need to drop that attitude!

[rocksteady]

lol the picture u posted then took down says something different...

[Dpres1]

ya morron that what she looked like BEFORE i first got her now look is she fat anymore? nope.
Don't know if you've noticed or not but I have been polite to you in every post I've made so far. Your childish name calling is unnecessary. It really does prove to me that you are just out to argue. If you truly are here to learn, then please button your lip, drop the ego, and soak up some useful information. Which, BTW you seem to skip right over just to bicker.
If you must know, yes your girl is STILL overweight. There is no tuck to her stomach AT ALL, and even UKC likes a bit of a tuck. She lacks definition. I in no way mean this as an insult. Constructive critisism is not a bad thing! I'm not saying that your girl should be conditioned down to a pit weight or zero body fat, but it is unhealthy to be carrying around unnecessary body fat, which she is. It puts strain on her joints, and her entire cardiovascular system.
While I am positive you will shoot back at me with random insults, I hope at least some of the things you've read will sink in. And if they do, it will have made the umteen pages wasted here worthwhile.
:)

[Big Papa]

now if you ask me......do i know anything about ukc/adba....well truth is adba is on the old true generation of the pits........and ukc is based on the newer generation of pits which mainly are mostly mutts like razorsedge gotty, and etc.........but not to doubt them tho beucause i do own 2 razorsedge........but mostly they are all big and fat.......and they would fit ukc standard becuase well i dont know but what i do know is they wont fit adba standard.

[Big Papa]

all i have to say is most pits now are mutts because of the breeding of other dogs.........and yes i do have mutts...........but i have one true apbt that is game.

[Red Hound]

CUR = FERTILIZER.
seriously. wat's a cur?

[Dpres1]

Any dog that is not a game bred APBT. And if it is game bred, one that quits a task set forth.

I would recommend doing a search for the search button, my man.

[Red Hound]

Any dog that is not a game bred APBT. And if it is game bred, one that quits a task set forth.

I would recommend doing a search for the search button, my man.u just told me.. so no need to search.. thanks!

[Dpres1]

"u just told me.. so no need to search.. thanks!"


Oh, there's a need my friend. Just for future reference, use the search tool. You will no doubtably have more questions. ;)

[Will Power]

Some body kill this thread I am so tired of the big blue dog threads they just turn in to big blue mountains of crap.

[Catch Dogs Inc]

Well it looks like I really started something, What I get from this is that we believe in our own thoughts and beliefs so much that we forget that we should be nice to people because we are not the enemy, BSL are. If we don't sick up for each other, game or fat over weight curr's, there will be no one to fight for us as a whole, ie pit type dogs. Now may be I started a post that would have been more suited for another board. Most every breed splits. May be down the road that my happen and just like the merles the ADBA will say no more Razor's Edge, Gotti, Greyline, Huges, and so on. May be not. I'm sorry I started a 20 some odd page pissing match that in the end didn't help anything, but seem to get everyone where they did not need to be. I enjoy reading posts from true dogmen. I'm not stupid, I just like things my may. In closing be nice to one another and remember KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!!

[RHI]

just curious, have you been to a ukc show ? not sure, have'nt read this whole topic......with the lines your talking about, would be better to try UKC, their more of that style (if not over done) and correct.....but would have better luck trying that registry, if wanting to show ..... ADBA shows tend to like a much more Athletic type of dog .....good luck with whatever you decide.

[natas]

one thing i learned very quickly on this forum is to not say razors edge. i have a razors edge dog, not for any particular reason it just kind of happened that way. i stay on this sight though because i have learned quite alot from the knowledgeable people here

[SouthernDixie]

Is there anything wrong with razors edge? I mean, so one went to show and was over the standards, but you just learn to stick to standards when showing. So they may run a bit big sometimes, doesn't mean they are bad dogs....

[SLICK WILLIE]

I went to Buffalo, Missouri to an ADBA show this weekend. Wow, I guess I was way out of the type standard. I took three dogs and showed them all. All where 50 to 80% Razor's Edge with a little splash of York. I had the biggest dogs there. Where do we outcasts show our dogs? The ADBA has no problem registering my dogs. If there are not going to recognize them at a show maybe they should say "sorry we can't take your thousands maybe hundred of thousands of dollars to register your larger, out of type standard Dogs" but thank you very kindly. I was just very upset. When the Judge take 10 seconds to look at your dog and never looks again, it's a tad disharding....may be I should have guessed that this was going to happen. I had , God rest her, a Jimmy Boots bred female about 9 years ago that did awesome....key wood was Greenwood's Jimmy Boot's. Anyway, thats my rant.

Jake
www.catchdogsinc.com (http://www.catchdogsinc.com/)
Stay with the old school game blood!

[Big Papa]

i've got old and new school blood

[rocksteady]

[QUOTE=Catch Dogs Inc]. I'm sorry I started a 20 some odd page pissing match that in the end didn't help anything, but seem to get everyone where they did not need to be. I enjoy reading posts from true dogmen. I'm not stupid, I just like things my may. QUOTE]


THIS AINT BURGER KING !!!U DONT GET IT YOUR WAY!!!!!

And your questions were answered. Your dogs arent what the ADBA judge was looking for..end of story ... how hard is that to understand?? There were in the judges opinion better dogs there.. so deal with it. It would have been the same if someone took their athletic type to an UKC show..the judges wouldnt have given it a second look..

maybe you should have talkedwith the judge after the class or show instead of whinning about it here..

[jmg]

Why do dogs coming form lines like greyline and razors edge cost so much if they dont even fit the breed standards? can someone clarify

[rocksteady]

Yes, with one word...

MONEY

[tommy3]

Why do dogs coming form lines like greyline and razors edge cost so much if they dont even fit the breed standards? can someone clarify
They are what is "in" right now. You know, a fad. They are sold for so much because people are willing to pay an arm and a leg for an ego boost.

[jmg]

http://muglestonspitbullfarm.com/ These dogs dont look like "breed standards": they are mostly razors edge, and they are pretty costly. how would some of these dogs do in comp?

[tommy3]

http://muglestonspitbullfarm.com/ These dogs dont look like "breed standards": they are mostly razors edge, and they are pretty costly. how would some of these dogs do in comp?
Terrible, they would be laughed at by an ADBA conformation judge. They aren't remotely close to the UKC standards, either. As a result of their conformation faults, they wouldn't do good in weight pulling or any kind of work for that matter. They are useless.

[miakoda]

Ok. We are off track here, but I will answer your question "What is a Razor's Edge dog to do?"

Answer: Love & be loved.

[jmg]

"What is a Razor's Edge dog to do?"

family pet?

[tommy3]

"What is a Razor's Edge dog to do?"

family pet?
Yup, raise them right and love them. Hell, they may be grow to be great dogs if they are raised right. All that matters if you love the dog.

[Big Papa]

that is true best of the best is to love them with all your heart and treat them good no matter if it is a razors edge or a colby.

[PitDawg]

Gawd....This post is sickening.
I just went to that Mugleston's "Pit Bull" site, and you don't even have to go past the first page to see that these dogs are crap. Look at them!!!
The blue dog on the bottom left is OBVIOUSLY Neo-mastiff and Pit Mixed.

To whoever was saying their dog isn't a mutt because they have papers going back to the 1800's....Papers DO NOT mean that SOMEWHERE, someone bred another dog in there for size, color, whatever. Look at the dogs! You cannot tell me that they got 100 lb saggy skinned dogs out of 45 lb gamedogs.

TWO WORDS: BREED STANDARD.

You don't see people trying to change the Poodle, or Lab, or Chihuahua do you???
There is a reason for a breed standard. And it's NOT so you can change it. If you like the 100 lb, lazy, hip displastic, unsound temperament, heart problematic, loose skinned dogs, go make up your own breed, but leave this one alone!!

On that same Mugleston's site, here is a quote:
"Like the way our dogs look so big and healthy?
Yours can too, click here for more info! (http://muglestonspitbullfarm.com/vitamins.html)"
If I fed my dog until it was about to explode, maybe I could brag about how much my dog weighs too!!!
Healthy? Those dogs look like if they walked a block they would have a heart attack! Why would anyone want a dog like that? Notice half of them are sitting down? Probably because their bones can't handle the weight!!!
I bet if they got their dogs' hips checked, they would all be HORRIBLE!
Healthy my @$$!!

TO whoever was comparing these dogs to draft horses:
I know you had good intentions, but that comparison is the first mistake. Compare a Mastiff to a draft horse. Pit Bulls are closer in comparison to a Thouroughbred (TB). They are sleek, fit, muscled, perfected animals bred for a specific purpose, and their body shows it. You wouldn't put a draft horse on a racetrack, and you wouldn't expect a TB to plow a field. Okay, so that part doesn't really go with Pit Bulls because of how they excel at weight pulling, but still.
People don't go around trying to bulk up TBs, or slim down draft horses.

Breeds are not meant to be changed for demand or personal opinion. The reason there is a standard, is to set an outline to keep a breed the way it was long ago, and to assure it will always be like that.
It is disgusting how people try and customize something that has been around far longer than Labrador Retrievers!!!

If you want a huge UGLY MUTT of a dog, make up a new name for it, and go to the UKC or AKC, and try to get this new breed recognized. But leave Pit Bulls the way they're SUPPOSED TO LOOK.

The picture below is a perfect example of what this breed is supposed to be. Not because of OPINION, but because of BREED STANDARD.
http://www.victorinoskennel.com/ACE/ADBAACE1.JPG[/url]
Now...wouldn't you want a dog like that, or would you rather have a dog like this?:
http://www.muglestonspitbullfarm.com/images/4_Scan0007_lg.jpg (http://www.victorinoskennel.com/ACE/ADBAACE1.JPG)
On one page, they say this dog is not open for stud, and on another they are asking $2000 for a stud fee!!!!!
Look at the picture above, and now look at these:
See any similarities? LMFAO
http://hjem.get2net.dk/MastinoFreak/Kumi.jpg
http://hjem.get2net.dk/MastinoFreak/s_lupa.jpg[url="http://hjem.get2net.dk/MastinoFreak/s_lupa.jpg"] (http://hjem.get2net.dk/MastinoFreak/Kumi.jpg)

[14rock]

:bangs head on wall: Why wont this thread DIE!!!!!

[Marty]

:bangs head on wall: Why wont this thread DIE!!!!!LOL nobody has killed it ;)
After G@medawg posted what he did I think everyone gets the picture if they can't see it, I'm sorry for them the thread has been KILLED :)

[miakoda]

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