Wtf is this real?

[MPD]

http://www.angelfire.com/in4/guarddogs212/pitincident.html

I'm not sure about this so called web site. Something seems fake

[Bluepit50]

Over there in Japan they think the Tosa is the ultimate fighting dog. They put 50lb pit bulls against 120-150lb tosas, very unfair. I got a 120lb pit for them, a male one of my friends here owns. Now picture this 120lb pit against a 120lb Tosa, lets see it throws my friend's pit Samson around like a toy. :D


This is him last year at 10 months old. Now he's 2 years old and much bigger, lets see that Tosa play with him.

[mydawgs]

Over there in Japan they think the Tosa is the ultimate fighting dog. They put 50lb pit bulls against 120-150lb tosas, very unfair. I got a 120lb pit for them, a male one of my friends here owns. Now picture this 120lb pit against a 120lb Tosa, lets see it throws my friend's pit Samson around like a toy. :D


This is him last year at 10 months old. Now he's 2 years old and much bigger, lets see that Tosa play with him.
He's a handsome boy!!!!!! :D

[Bluepit50]

He's a handsome boy!!!!!! :DI'll say this much about him, he's the only pit bull over 100lbs that i've ever seen that actually looks like he's not mixed. At 120lbs I can't see anything about him that looks mastiff, ect. all tight skin with a pit face and very athletic, kinda strange huh. I had a female pup off him but had to sell her because I did'nt have room. i'll get the pic in a sec.

[nappydawg]

well blue flukes do happen i guess. he is an awesome looking dog

[Bubba]

120 pounds????????????????????????????????? Why?
BB

[Bluepit50]

120 pounds????????????????????????????????? Why?
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What I was saying is that instead of them putting 50lb pit bulls against 120lb Tosas, which they do, they should put 120lb pit against one and see how good their ultimate dog is when it goes against something its own size.

[CB]

WTF is a tosa i never heard or seen one before does anybody have a "good" picture of that breed.

[Bluepit50]

A Tosa is a dog in Japan that they made from several breeds of dogs together. It is the japanese version of the ultimate fighting dog. They try to compare it with the pit bull and even match them with pit bulls. They fail to realize that a 150lb dog beating a 50lb dog is a joke and only proves they are to afraid to face the facts.

[CB]

Holy crap them things are HUGE. only fair match is if you put a damn bear in there with them and then it might be fair.

[Dpres1]

Yeah yeah, and they dress 'em all goofy like! Funny how they have dogs that are bigger than the average Japanese man. How do you handle dogs like that?!

This guy is a "Yokozuna" in full dress
http://www.moloss.com/breeds/stuvx/t002/tosa03.jpg

[mydawgs]

Yeah yeah, and they dress 'em all goofy like! Funny how they have dogs that are bigger than the average Japanese man. How do you handle dogs like that?!

This guy is a "Yokozuna" in full dress
http://www.moloss.com/breeds/stuvx/t002/tosa03.jpg

VERY CAREFULLY......I would imagine. As soon as I saw Blues post I googled the dog to see what it was too. It said they are also supposed to be silent when they fight....wonder why?????

[14rock]

Link sounds like just a tosa-lovers wet dream. Tosas are a joke. Matching them against gamedogs is done frequently by them so they think they have the better fighting dog. The thing you got to ask yourself is, if they have the better dog, why arent we shipping them here to see for ourselves? Why is it only them who must pick non-game 45 lbs. and put them against 180 lb. tosas? Tosas arent game in the least, and if a APBT can withstand the first ten minutes the rest is a cakewalk. Tosas are conditioned about as well as a St. Bernard and are as game as a Golden Retriever. So again, sounds like either a tosa-fanatics wet dream, or kingdobe trying to get some respect from a diffrent crowd by lieing now.

[B]

Tosa matches are so slow you almost want to fall asleep. They frequently take breaks to catch their breath after they wrestle for awhile. They don't do much handling. It is not uncommon for a "average" gamedog to win against a Tosa nearly triple their size. I heard there is one man in Japan that imports the best the USA has to offer in APBT. His dogs are sought after in his homeland.

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[powder925]

http://www.fightingtosa.com/

here is a good site to see some real tosa's.....not the show dogs most here in north america have.

[14rock]

http://www.fightingtosa.com/

here is a good site to see some real tosa's.....not the show dogs most here in north america have.
I base my opinions off of what I've seen coming out of Japan, not from what is in America. I'm basing my opinions over what I've seen from a couple proud tosa-owners and obviously, it was less than impressive. They frequently just stop and lean on eachother for breath. They will walk away and lay down, its all in all a very boring match. The likes of which could be compared to sumo wrestler, for lets say a minute its like clouds striking eachother and causing thunder.......then it all slows down and is over before anything can really happen! Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks I guess. I guess I just value skill and gameness more than size and an embarassing tradition!

[pitbulllvr25]

They look like Mastiff and Great Dane crosses.

[powder925]

I never really understood why people always try to compare APBT's to Tosa's because they were both bred for a for a different sport(at least I concidered it a different sport) the rules of a APBT match and the rules of a Tosa match are so different its like comparing judo to MMA

[Zoe]

Those dogs weigh more than me. :eek:

[MPD]

http://www.fightingtosa.com/

here is a good site to see some real tosa's.....not the show dogs most here in north america have.I'm not impressed. I'll stay with the best, apbts

[powder925]

I'm not impressed. I'll stay with the best, apbtsI also agree,I would rather have a pit.I just don't understand why everyone always compares APBT's to Tosa's,you will never get a fair match......there are no game bred 30-50lb Tosa's lines or 100-150lbs game bred APBT lines(nun I am aware of anyway)so you will never have a fair comparison.plus I still think the scratch game is a better gauge of "who's the better team"

[jawbones]

I know a man in houstan tx who sells these guys dogs for $10.000 a dog. I have a bigger than usual Tants Ch Yellow dog who is tough enough if we were going by cajun rules would dance a circle around a Tosa any day of the millinium. This guy is so nuts I can't stud him often because he will chew up a bitch in heat. Remember the Tosas may win against some average pit bull, but good grief I weigh 190 pounds, I wouldn't want to fight someone who weighed 380 that was in shape at that weight. I'm not impressed. I'm a die hard dogman who still believes we have the baddest animal in the the world...pound for pound!!!!!

[sillyfilly]

the japanese look to me to have the lil man complex...big dogs to make up for them in size...lmao. JMO:p .Yeah yeah, and they dress 'em all goofy like! Funny how they have dogs that are bigger than the average Japanese man. How do you handle dogs like that?!

This guy is a "Yokozuna" in full dress
http://www.moloss.com/breeds/stuvx/t002/tosa03.jpg

[ochi]

tosas? who cares! we're pitbull owners here.. let those japanese breeders have fun with their mutts..

[Bluepit50]

Tosas start out strong, and have a bite but that's it! They have

NO WIND!
NO GAME!
ARE NOT FINISHERS!
TOO MUCH SKIN! can't get a good bite when your mouth's full of your own skin.

[MPD]

Tosas start out strong, and have a bite but that's it! They have

NO WIND!
NO GAME!
ARE NOT FINISHERS!
TOO MUCH SKIN! can't get a good bite when your mouth's full of your own skin.
lmao...

Seems like theit lazy with their dogs are well. I never seen a tosa in shape in the ring. Theirs fat hitting you in your face

[MR PITS]

The Tosa's are ugly and just plain ugly.

[princess_koka]

Over there in Japan they think the Tosa is the ultimate fighting dog. They put 50lb pit bulls against 120-150lb tosas, very unfair. I got a 120lb pit for them, a male one of my friends here owns. Now picture this 120lb pit against a 120lb Tosa, lets see it throws my friend's pit Samson around like a toy. :D


This is him last year at 10 months old. Now he's 2 years old and much bigger, lets see that Tosa play with him.
He looks good, any other pics of him.

[rocksteady]

really!! we dont like people raggin on our breed of choice, why rag on theirs??

Tosa's are a different dog developed for a different style than the APBT..

I dont agree they should be used against each other.. its not a fair match up at all

But regardless... lets not drag them through the mud.. I mean, how many of you have actually OWNED one??

[Crash97]

Good point Rock, respect the sport for it's own thing. To each his own....Hell, that would make a great motto for our country in general...lol

[KnottyBoyNC]

really!! we dont like people raggin on our breed of choice, why rag on theirs??

Tosa's are a different dog developed for a different style than the APBT..

I dont agree they should be used against each other.. its not a fair match up at all

But regardless... lets not drag them through the mud.. I mean, how many of you have actually OWNED one??

Exactly, but y is the guy Bluepitt50 nagging about Tosas when his friends so called "pit bull" is the same size as it. They way he feels about the Tosas is the same way i feel about his friends 120 lb "pit bull"

[Bluepit50]

He looks good, any other pics of him.I had some good ones but can't find them, when I do i'll show you them. I had a red female off him last year but I don't have her anymore. She was a great dog just did'nt have the room at the time. Here she is at 6 months 45lbs. "Paris"

The pics are unclear because they're from my phone.

[Bluepit50]

Exactly, but y is the guy Bluepitt50 nagging about Tosas when his friends so called "pit bull" is the same size as it. They way he feels about the Tosas is the same way i feel about his friends 120 lb "pit bull"
When did I have a problem with Tosas? I had a problem with them putting little game dogs 50lb against 150lb dogs and saying our pit bulls are no match. Please learn to read before to try and argue with people. :confused:

[Bluepit50]

Over there in Japan they think the Tosa is the ultimate fighting dog. They put 50lb pit bulls against 120-150lb tosas, very unfair. I got a 120lb pit for them, a male one of my friends here owns. Now picture this 120lb pit against a 120lb Tosa, lets see it throws my friend's pit Samson around like a toy. :D


This is him last year at 10 months old. Now he's 2 years old and much bigger, lets see that Tosa play with him.



Here was my reply, basically this thread was started because of a story that said the Tosa tossed the pit bull like a toy. Offcourse it was 3 times its size. Where do you get me bashing the breed?

[KnottyBoyNC]

Here was my reply, basically this thread was started because of a story that said the Tosa tossed the pit bull like a toy. Offcourse it was 3 times its size. Where do you get me bashing the breed?


I didnt say u was bashing the breed or had a problem with Tosas smart guy, now u read what i said. You said u have a problem with them putting a 150lb tosa on a 50lb pit bull. And i said i have a problem with u categorizing a 120 lb dog with 50 lb pit bulls. Make sure u read that correctly buddy.....:D

[Bluepit50]

Here was my reply, basically this thread was started because of a story that said the Tosa tossed the pit bull like a toy. Offcourse it was 3 times its size. Where do you get me bashing the breed?


I didnt say u was bashing the breed or had a problem with Tosas smart guy, now u read what i said. You said u have a problem with them putting a 150lb tosa on a 50lb pit bull. And i said i have a problem with u categorizing a 120 lb dog with 50 lb pit bulls. Make sure u read that correctly buddy.....:D Here we go again, you still did'nt read my post right. When did I categorize a 120lb dog with a 50lb dog? Did I call it an American Pit Bull Terrier? No I said it was a pit bull, a general term. :confused: I still don't see any point your making or any reason to be negative with me, i'm confused. I simply brought up an example of a dog that would be more fair to compare with their sport, a dog closer to their weight class. Are you just trying to pick fights or what? You remind me of D.R. King, he would do the same thing. He would pick fights with me with no valid points or reasons to do so. Then come to find out it was Knuckles...:)

[Bluepit50]

really!! we dont like people raggin on our breed of choice, why rag on theirs??

Tosa's are a different dog developed for a different style than the APBT..

I dont agree they should be used against each other.. its not a fair match up at all

But regardless... lets not drag them through the mud.. I mean, how many of you have actually OWNED one??I for one thought that for such big dogs they are immpressive. My problem is not the breed, it's the way they are matching the dogs. It's a known fact that the Japanese match pit bulls with these huge dogs and I think that is inhumane and unfair. Then they brag and say that Tosas are the new and ultimate fighting dogs. I've seen this alot on their websites and I disaprove of this type of behavior and bad talk on our breed here. Then you have countless pit bulls mauled and tore up by these huge dogs just to make their dogs look good in front of the world. I would think that everyone here would be upset about this too.

[rocksteady]

Good for Them!! So then we have to stoop to their level??

[KnottyBoyNC]

Here we go again, you still did'nt read my post right. When did I categorize a 120lb dog with a 50lb dog? Did I call it an American Pit Bull Terrier? No I said it was a pit bull, a general term. :confused: I still don't see any point your making or any reason to be negative with me, i'm confused. I simply brought up an example of a dog that would be more fair to compare with their sport, a dog closer to their weight class. Are you just trying to pick fights or what? You remind me of D.R. King, he would do the same thing. He would pick fights with me with no valid points or reasons to do so. Then come to find out it was Knuckles...:)
u said your friend had a 120lb "pit bull" to match with a Tosa. At a 120lbs it shouldnt be categorized with or as any type of pit bull...I'm not trying to pick fights, this is a forum, im just trying to help get rid of everyone calling their dogs "pit bulls" when their bigger than damn mastiffs. Your probably just a peddler anyway and ur name is one of the most contradicted problems real dogmen are facing today....Blue pit......Like i said i have no reason to argue but i do have a reason to let you know to stop categorizing 120lb dogs as pit bull.

[Bluepit50]

u said your friend had a 120lb "pit bull" to match with a Tosa. At a 120lbs it shouldnt be categorized with or as any type of pit bull...I'm not trying to pick fights, this is a forum, im just trying to help get rid of everyone calling their dogs "pit bulls" when their bigger than damn mastiffs. Your probably just a peddler anyway and ur name is one of the most contradicted problems real dogmen are facing today....Blue pit......Like i said i have no reason to argue but i do have a reason to let you know to stop categorizing 120lb dogs as pit bull.How am I a peddler when I have never bred any dogs before? :confused: My name Bluepitt50 is just a fun nickname and is after my favorite male who was my first dog. My friends big pitbull is a pit bull, it's just not an American Pit Bull Terrier, or a game bred dog. You can call it Amstaff, or whatever you like but I never categorized this dog as a game dog so no need to get upset.

I did'nt know who you were until I saw your rep points, now I know all I need to know. Don't pretend like you are so knowledgable, your not fooling anyone. Clean up your yard and get your dogs in shape before you call someone a peddler. You offer nothing positive to the site and you have worse points then Knuckles had, so starting learning something and stop frontin on people like you a dogman or something, please.:confused: Look at your yard man, who's a peddler?

[GaDog]

Hey who cares. If you understand why a 50 lbs disadvantage is a serious disadvantage, then why argue about it. If the Japs did what is said they did, and I have no reason not to believe they did it, it shows their stupidity or their lust for blood and a reason to gode Americans. Gode Americans with a sneek attack that they are known for so forget them and their tosu's. I hope no one in here would brag about their "game pit" wooping a jack russel.
Also if thier is someone in here who has a 100 plus pound so called pit and wants to go overseas and fight it, let the fool go he may find out the underworld of Asia aint like it is here.
Leave the Tosu's for their peeps and lets argue about the pits.

[KnottyBoyNC]

i said u categorized him as a pit bull.......clear and simple, nothing bout a game dog or APBT......just a pit bull which he is not at 120lbs, maybe mixed. And about my rep points who gives a shit, this is a site, not my life. Look at y i got bad rep points. So its really not as serious as u want it 2 be. My dogs are in shape and my yard is clean as its gonna get. For the people on this site that have been to my yard and field, they think my dogs are in shape and area is clean. I only have 4 dogs on my yard and the rest are pics of dogs i have traded, given away, or just keep at other places. I never said i was a dogman, but i have had the pleasure of meeting and doing business with a couple of them in person. Oh yeah i dont sell my dogs, so im not a peddler either.

[GD2]

He Is A Good Looking Dog But The Pic Was Blurie What The Hell Is A Tosa?

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I do not see the big deal. All with game bred APBT should be "honored" Japanese aficionados believe it fair to match their 140 lb Tosas with a 40 lb "game-bred". This should be taken as a complement. Obviously, they believe a game-bred 70 lb APBT would overtake their 140 lb tosas. You guys better not start stating there are NO 70 lb game-bred APBT out there, b/c if you do, you are foolish.

Tosas not game? What do you think being "GAME" means? It is not an is or is not, it is a gauge. Some have more than others do.

[devinben3]

They are two way different breeds. I've never owned a Tosa, so i can't say anything. I just think that if they can't handle their dogs, then they don't need to have them. and obviously they can't handle a 150 lb tosa, nor a 40 lb pit, otherwise they could have stopped them. I respect every breed for what it was bred for, but i do not respect breeds that have been changed into show mutts, and that is what a lot of tosas here in the states are now, as well as every other breed. In fact, there are only a couple breeds that are still true in form, an apbt being one (i don't count big blues as being game bred apbt, they are a diff breed to me). most jack russells, and hunting dogs.

[jasong]

the japanese look to me to have the lil man complex...big dogs to make up for them in size...lmao. JMO:p .
I agree with you on that one. LOL

[SouthernDixie]

I wonder what they do with their japanese dogs die in a fight or if they weren't up to "fighting standards"?? Eggrolls and what not? :)

[Bluepit50]

I do not see that big deal. All with game bred APBT should be "honored" Japanese aficionados believe it fair to match their 140 lb Tosas with a 40 lb "game-bred". This should be taken as a complement. Obviously, they believe a game-bred 70 lb APBT would overtake their 140 lb tosas. You guys better not start stating there are NO 70 lb game-bred APBT out there, b/c if you do, you are foolish.

Tosas not game? What do you think being "GAME" means? It is not a is or is not, it is a gauge. Some have more than others do.
Good point, never thought of it like that.

[Bluepit50]

I wonder what they do with their japanese dogs die in a fight or if they weren't up to "fighting standards"?? Eggrolls and what not? :)
Eggrolls!!!! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mntman2003]

Stratton wrote of a 54 lb unschooled gamedog that won againsta 154lb tosa ch.