Frozen Semen...?

[whiteyransom]

the dog i want to breed my bitch to is a few states away. and the guy has frozen semen for sale. has anybody tried breeding this way? how do ya do it?and what's the sucess rate? would it be cheaper to ship my girl up there for the breeding or what? any help appreciated.

[Texasbulldogs]

“the guy has frozen semen for sale. has anybody tried breeding this way? how do ya do it?”
You’ll have to do it via artificial insemination (AI), if you don’t know how you’ll need to see if your veterinary does it. I’d check to see what the stud’s sperm count was before they took sample off him. Fresh and chilled have a much higher conception rate than frozen. Being only a few states over I’d recommend using chilled semen.

“would it be cheaper to ship my girl up there for the breeding or what?”
Either way you’re going to have to pay a stud fee. It will mainly depend on your comfort level of shipping your bitch and not personally witnessing the breeding, shipping cost, etc.

[whiteyransom]

true. the guy runs a good business, and has started a good line,,,but i really hate shipping my bitch out for that long. that's why i'm asking. hell, i may just take the drive up.

[RHI]

I personally don't like to ship my dogs anywhere, unless I know the person or know of & Reputable etc. but thats the way it's usually done & that would be the best , a natural breeding.....your next best would be a sugical implant, where they place directly on the ovaries, then A-I.....Those can work , your vet would have you do a progesteron test to see when she's ready then you would want to do atleast 2 A-I's / breedings......they can ship the semen right to your vet.....I would call your vet and see how often he does these, or, maybe he can recommend a good vet that does it often , you would want someone that does it often, more of a specialist.....also, you can ask them more about the procedures and costs etc....as far as the person shipping the semen, I would ask if he's used it recently and how many pups produced etc. and more info. you don't want it unhealthy.....it can be frozen for years and be good though .....I would also ask about fresh or chilled..... if your close enough, I would definetly go there if possible, could do a natural breeding and not worry about your female.....don't forget to do the brucellosis (sp) tests .....good luck

[Texasbulldogs]

I personally don't like to ship my dogs anywhere, unless I know the person or know of & Reputable etc. but thats the way it's usually done & that would be the best , a natural breeding.
I wholeheartedly disagree, if you truly want to increase your odds of getting pups artificial insemination (AI) is the way to go. In these days of information there is no reason for a person to count days and basically guess when their bitch is in fertile estrus.<O:p</O:p

your vet would have you do a progesteron test to see when she's ready then you would want to do atleast 2 A-I's / breedings.
Anyone that can hit a vein and draw blood can perform their own progesterone test.

they can ship the semen right to your vet.....I would call your vet and see how often he does these, or, maybe he can recommend a good vet that does it often , you would want someone that does it often, more of a specialist.....also, you can ask them more about the procedures and costs etc.
With a little bit of effort of the owner of the bitch, there is no reason they would even need a veterinary for any part of a fresh or chilled AI breeding.

as far as the person shipping the semen, I would ask if he's used it recently and how many pups produced etc. and more info. you don't want it unhealthy.....it can be frozen for years and be good though .....I would also ask about fresh or chilled.
Other than making sure the males sperm if viable and viewing the sperm analysis, you only need some semen extender and a insulated box to ship it in. <O:p</O:p

don't forget to do the brucellosis (sp) tests
No need to worry about that with an AI breeding which is another positive of it.<O:p</O:p

[whiteyransom]

apparently the guy does it often enough...he stated that he had 400 straws of semen stored at his place. said it's cheaper for him to do the liquid nitro storage at his place , rather than pay a facility. so how hard is it to do. from my stand point??it sounds like you're familiar with the process texasbulldogs, ...is it hard to do-it-yourself? or better left to a vet?

[Texasbulldogs]

“apparently the guy does it often enough...he stated that he had 400 straws of semen stored at his place. said it's cheaper for him to do the liquid nitro storage at his place, rather than pay a facility.”
With a paid stud fee what do you get semen wise; straw ( how many sperm per straw?) or a pellet (best)? Like mentioned before what was the semen analysis of said stud prior to collect taken, ideally you want the analysis done one week prior to collection. Being it’s frozen and he’s doing it himself I definitely ask him of his handling procedures, how long did he wait until freezing it, did he use an extender, etc. a major concern I’d be worried about is the thermal stress of the sperm. It is very sensitive to both heat and cold, if he chilled the semen too quickly and created cold shock you’re wasting your time.

so how hard is it to do.
If talking about using fresh or chilled, not hard at all. I’ve never done an AI using frozen, mainly because it’s more difficult and the conception rates are lower. Once thawed the semen will only live for 2-12 hours so your window of opportunity is greatly shortened you need to have everything time correctly. Best bet would be having your veterinary do a trans-cervical insemination. Have luteinizing hormone (LH) test done, vaginal epithelial cytology, qualitative and quantitative progesterone test, and possibly even a vaginoscopy if I truly wanted to make sure of getting a litter.

from my stand point??it sounds like you're familiar with the process texasbulldogs, ...is it hard to do-it-yourself? or better left to a vet?
In this case with you never doing it yourself or seeing someone do it, leave it to the veterinary. It is a relatively easy process and not complicated at all just takes a little effort on your part to educate yourself. If you learn the techniques and purchase the necessary supplies needed, very easy to do. Cheaper in some cases and a whole lot less stressful on you and your bitch, plus the odds of getting a litter is greatly increased.

[RHI]

I personally don't like to ship my dogs anywhere, unless I know the person or know of & Reputable etc. but thats the way it's usually done & that would be the best , a natural breeding.
I wholeheartedly disagree, if you truly want to increase your odds of getting pups artificial insemination (AI) is the way to go. I have to disagree, if choosing between an A-I and Surgical implant, I would much rather go with the surgical implant, as it would increase your chances even more.....In these days of information there is no reason for a person to count days and basically guess when their bitch is in fertile estrus. It's not that difficult, I personally ,would much rather count days then go through all the other B.S. I guess it would really just depend whats more convieniant for the person doing the breeding....<O:p</O:p

your vet would have you do a progesteron test to see when she's ready then you would want to do atleast 2 A-I's / breedings.
Anyone that can hit a vein and draw blood can perform their own progesterone test.

they can ship the semen right to your vet.....I would call your vet and see how often he does these, or, maybe he can recommend a good vet that does it often , you would want someone that does it often, more of a specialist.....also, you can ask them more about the procedures and costs etc.
With a little bit of effort of the owner of the bitch, there is no reason they would even need a veterinary for any part of a fresh or chilled AI breeding.

as far as the person shipping the semen, I would ask if he's used it recently and how many pups produced etc. and more info. you don't want it unhealthy.....it can be frozen for years and be good though .....I would also ask about fresh or chilled.
Other than making sure the males sperm if viable and viewing the sperm analysis, you only need some semen extender and a insulated box to ship it in. <O:p</O:p
don't forget to do the brucellosis (sp) tests
No need to worry about that with an AI breeding which is another positive of it.<O:p</O:p[/QUOTE]


Tex, your telling me things I already know, I was simply giving whiteyransom basically an idea of the process and options, This is all things I would not recommend doing for the first time if someone is really counting on a breeding....unless, someone Experianced is doing it / the process with them .......unless just wanting to expierament and this breeding can either take place or not and not counting on and wanting this breeding.....does'nt matter either way to me, they can either wing it if doing it themselves or have an Expierianced person do it themselves or with them....and Expierament in the future....This is why I recommended an Expierianced Vet, figuring, if they were Framiliar with it, they would not have been asking.....I agree, I also would probably rather go with fresh or chilled over frozen but, as long as they check it, and looks healthy and active, good sperm count etc. it should be fine....good luck to them with whatever they decide....

wanted to add, some people as you know, will not do a natural breeding, if thats the case, then they need an Expierianced person or Vet doing the procedure if not framiliar with it JMO.......

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