Razor's Edge

[pitbullaz]

Has anyone heard of Razor's Edge bloodline and if so, what have you heard? Where's a great kennel to get Razor's Edge puppies from?

[GrChPitBitch]

All the Razor Edge bred dogs I saw were overgrown curs... personally, I wouldn't own one... Not my thing...

[Bubba]

Razors Edge dogs are UKC conformation dogs, bred solely on size and color. Enjoy...

BB

[RoyalBluePits]

I have Razors Edge dogs in my yard. You can see pictures at www.royalbluepits.com (http://www.royalbluepits.com) I also have puppies available.

[pitsRus]

yea my bro has two blue females but only one comes from razors edge and man she's huge, when she sits down she looks like a lil hippo. Great temper, playful, and goofy really goofy they like to play alot, but one of my friends his male killed one of his females litter, all of em. So i guess the temper varies from dog to dog. I personally wouldnt get one, but its jus my opinion cause ther really huge and lazy.

[SpencerPits]

No offense to anyone, but please let this thread die - before it gets ugly! Yes, we've all heard of R.E. dogs, and most of us wouldn't even entertain the idea of owning one. Nuff said!

[B]

Mutts.........

[14rock]

im gonna have to agree with ya on this one Spencer pits, I dont know how many times a day this comes up! We need to have a huge disclaimer for anyone wishing to join warning them that this is not some overgrown blue board, but a game board, and they would probably be better keeping quiet on their dogs and just take the advice to be had here.

[Bluepit50]

I have a friend who thinks they are the greatest pits and got me to like them, but after coming here everyone made me realize that those dogs are crap! imagine that, me saying that, but seriously I like pits that can perform, who are full of fire and ripped to the bone, healthy and conditioned, any color, and Razors Edge dogs are not this, they do have a good temperament and everything but thet are too big. They are not bad because they are blue, they are bad because they are not bred to standard at all and are not game bred, too big. Now please, noone bring up the blue thing because I can show blue dogs they are not big and that are game bred. There are other members here that have some, I know most are'nt but there are some and color has nothing to do with standard or game, period. Many breeders breed all colors of pits for size, I see alot of huge red pits so it's the people breeding for size and making up fake bloodlines, not blue pits in general.

[SpencerPits]

I have a friend who thinks they are the greatest pits and got me to like them, but after coming here everyone made me realize that those dogs are crap! imagine that, me saying that, but seriously I like pits that can perform, who are full of fire and ripped to the bone, healthy and conditioned, any color, and Razors Edge dogs are not this, they do have a good temperament and everything but thet are too big.

Wow! I'm shock! Did those words actually come from you? LOL! J/k (no offense)

[Bluepit50]

Wow! I'm shock! Did those words actually come from you? LOL! J/k (no offense)
When I first came here all I knew about was all these popular bloodlines and everyone liking their pits to be big, but know I see that that's kind of crazy. I like alot of people's dogs that are here in these galleries and I can see how these other pits look huge now. I've been spending more time with my friend that game breeds here and now we are laughing at these other dogs our friends are breeding. One of them just made a new kennel and in the front it says our dogs are bred for size! We laugh because we've personally seen these dogs not being able to perform for nothing, whether from being too big are being bred like crap. I'm sticking with him because he says alot of the same things to me as people here say, like "I would'nt even let a pit take one step in my yard unless I know it's game" I like that. So anyways I'll be getting my dogs from him from now on, he just did a breeding from a real nice male and female that i've always liked.If I get a pup from this coming litter i'll be sure to post it up here, If you all could see these parents here, you'd be impressed, talk about game!

[B]

I have a friend who thinks they are the greatest pits and got me to like them, but after coming here everyone made me realize that those dogs are crap! imagine that, me saying that, but seriously I like pits that can perform, who are full of fire and ripped to the bone, healthy and conditioned, any color, and Razors Edge dogs are not this, they do have a good temperament and everything but thet are too big. They are not bad because they are blue, they are bad because they are not bred to standard at all and are not game bred, too big. Now please, noone bring up the blue thing because I can show blue dogs they are not big and that are game bred. There are other members here that have some, I know most are'nt but there are some and color has nothing to do with standard or game, period. Many breeders breed all colors of pits for size, I see alot of huge red pits so it's the people breeding for size and making up fake bloodlines, not blue pits in general.
I agree for the most part but there is a difference between a blue dog popping up naturally during a gamedog breeding and someone breeding for color. There are a handful of blue Eli dogs around. The ones I'm aware of were products of gamedog breedings that just happened to pop out a blue dog. People breeding these dogs for specific colors and sizes (introducing other breeds to acquire this effect) are the problem. It is good to see someone that isn't so deep into denial about their blue curs that they realize where the good dogs come from. Good job keeping an open mind :cool:

Regards,

B of B&D Kennels

[Bluepit50]

I think i'm getting good taste for what to look for in the physical aspect of how a pit should be built and structured to enhance their ability for performance (assuming it's game bred and has a healthy family line) but now I want to start learning about all the bloodlines, it seems confusing now but I think it will all make sense to me soon after studying lots of peds and history of different bloodlines. I want to find out what bloodlines I will end up liking, so far without knowing much on that, I do like my favorite male I have off of the Old Family Red line with some Snooty and Walice. I like everything about him and he seems to have alot of the qualities you would want in a pit. Anyways before I get another dog I want to know about all the bloodlines first so I can be specific in what to look for and not get one of these fake pits people are selling.

[B]

It is nice to see such an open minded individual on here. You are definately at a great place to learn. It is good to see you improving your knowledge before acquiring another dog. I bet you will be very happy with your eventual decision. See you around!

Regards,

B of B&D Kennels

[nappydawg]

wow blue just gave me a heart attack did i raed that right wait let me read that again yep still the same are you okay blue you sure you ain't sick

[SpencerPits]

wow blue just gave me a heart attack did i raed that right wait let me read that again yep still the same are you okay blue you sure you ain't sick
I think during all the confusion of 1/2 the site disappearing, someone else took over for Blue! J/K - Like B & D said - it's great to see such an open mind on here. And yes, it'll all start to make sense to you. Just do what I do - don't eat, sleep, or anything 'cept take care of the dogs. Other than that - learn, learn, learn! No seriously - I'm not that bad, but I really am just about always thinking, reading, or talking about bulldogs. My family must really love me - cause I know I get on their nerves! LOL!

[nappydawg]

I really am just about always thinking, reading, or talking about bulldogs. My family must really love me - cause I know I get on their nerves! LOL!

huh i am getting that way guess i have been biting by the bulldog bug lol

and about blue its nice to see another person be changed by the info here i was headed towards being a byb now i want real APBT to help preserve not destroy breed <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Bluepit50]

Yes! this is the new Bluepitt50, now lets get down to business! LOL My new mission, "To search for true game, the ultimate pitbull, and bring his ass to my yard, real fast"

[nappydawg]

that is nice to hear congrats on seeing the light

how is the other 2 doing they better?

[chainsoff]

Congradulations, BluePit, you've seen the light!

[J M A N]

Hey, even I think RE sucks!

[FireBone]

For bluepitt50 all I can say is study the peds hard. And get with someone who can teach you Game Dogs. I knew little about bloodlines until I started to study peds constantly. Then it will start to shed light on how certain dogs were breed to make bloodlines and what lines click best with it.

[chainsoff]

OOh read some peds, big damn deal. If you want to learn, man, the best way is through a mentor. Sure you will be able to recognize names and learn where things come from by reading, but talking to folks who have been there, will reveal much more. Hands on is the way to learn.

[SFK]

Chainsoff is right. But remember the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for..." Patience is the key. And never make excuses for a dog. It's all about the TRUTH!

[Bluepit50]

I'm becoming good friends with this game breeder here and he shows me everything about how he breeds and what to look for. Everyone I know respects him because they know every dog in his yard no matter how they look are only there because they are true to the game, and he only keeps what ends up being serious pits. He said one thing though that I was wondering about. I know that a dog is what it's made to be, but he said that how you raise a dog can affect the outcome as well, is this true? We were talking about a particular dog that someone we knew raised and everyone thought she was turning out to be great. This dog ended up being a disapointment and he said that if he raised her that she would have been different, and he gave me some examples of some dogs that he has had and how they changed by how he raised them and their environment. Is this true?

[Empire]

I will find out the truth about the blues since alot of people hate the color. I don't know why.

[NORTH]

"I know that a dog is what it's made to be, but he said that how you raise a dog can affect the outcome as well, is this true?"


I beleive this to be true, The best bred dog in the world could not turn out for many reasons, but if raised and cared for properly your chances increase ten fold imo.

[Bluepit50]

I will find out the truth about the blues since alot of people hate the color. I don't know why.
One sad truth seems to be that a higher % of blues are being made into Amstaffs than any other dog. More of them are bred from these new bloodlines and for size just to make more money from them. The good thing is that there are some that people have from game lines and that are to the true standard as far as game, size, temperament, performance, ect. but not many. Any blues that I will keep i'll make sure that they are true American pitbulls or if any are'nt, like Razors Edge, then I agree with calling them Amstaffs. I like pits of any color, as long as they have the true qualities that make a dog a great American Pitbull then I respect them. I recently have been surprised at how looks can decieve you as far as what a pit has inside, that's what counts, as long as it's healthy and to standard, game bred, good strong healthy genetics through the family lines, then color does'nt matter.

[TigerStripe15]

"WASTE OF FUR!!!" PLAIN AND SIMPLE A 100+ POUNDS OF BLUE SHIT (with out the corn and peanuts)

[Empire]

Like I said I will find out the truth bout' Blue Pits. I don't know why the color blue is a Fuc-ING issue. Blue should not be the issue the bloodline should B. There R alot of DUMBASS people I see.

[chainsoff]

Like I said I will find out the truth bout' Blue Pits. I don't know why the color blue is a Fuc-ING issue. Blue should not be the issue the bloodline should B. There R alot of DUMBASS people I see.The problem IS NOT the color blue. The thing folks here have the problem with is the reasons behind the breeding, i.e. to get the color and size. If a blue dog pops out of of a breeding between two gamedogs, so be it. They were bred true to standard, not specifically for their color.

[rocksteady]

True, there are red dogs that are in the same boat. bred for size, color and names in a pedigree. But when it comes to blue dogs, the majority (95%) are bred for looks, color and size...

a shame really. Most of the problem might also stem from the fact that a blue nose dog is considered a fault in the AKC.. which lead them to be only UKC and ADBA registered

Its not a color thing, its a people thing.

[kyzerspits]

A blue nosed pit is far from a fault in the AKC or any other registery. But lack of pigment is. which is a problem for some blue dogs.

[kyzerspits]

I see allot of people here. Stating there opinions which I respect. I too love game bred dogs. But on the other hand I do own two RE studs. As well. In my opinion I don't feel there is anything wrong with BLUE dogs. There are Blue game dogs, show dogs, big blue freaks, color to me is just a paint job. A line should never be judged by the color they produce. Is blue popular right now? Yes. Was Red rednoses the big thing 5-10 years ago? Yes. And I'm sure it will change here pretty soon to something else people can call rare to turn a buck. But to sit on here and trash a line like RE. Simply by pictures of dogs or what you've heard or what you believe to be true. Isn't right. There are people here that are taking what you say as fact. Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying RE dogs are the best on the planet. I'm not saying they are better than game dogs. I mean Look at what RE was founded on. Paddington, Rage, Knuckles, Dinero............. All UKC grand Champions. If you look back far enough in Paddington's Ped she comes out of some Colby stuff. Oh and Knuckles is a ACK CH as well (Blue nose male, there goes that AKC blue fault comment) I mean Dave Wilson himself started out with game dogs. I hear people saying that they can't perform, I mean in what? There are RE dogs killing in the show ring every where. I know RE dogs that wieght pull, therapy work..........ect. Please tell me what can't they perform?

[B]

LOL... and you believe their pedigrees and paperwork? Anyone can register mutts with the ADBA. These are mutts... not pitbulls. Big blue curs and if you think otherwise, you've never seen a real game dog. Dog aggression is not to be confused with being game. If you are breeding for color then you really don't understand what these dogs are all about...

Regards,

B of B&D Kennels

[SFK]

So True BND So True! I tell you what I'd like to see one of those fat blue curs run 10 miles! I don't think they have enough wind to push a fart, much less hunt! :D You cannot go by the show standards for AKC or UKC when talking about Gamedogs. AKC does'nt even recognize the Breed! Blue is a recessive trait it should NEVER be bred for! It's as bad as breeding for undershot jaws & cow-hocked legs!

[SpencerPits]

Excellent posts, BnD and SFK!!! I still wish this thread had just not been brought back up. People who come to www.game-dog.com (http://www.game-dog.com) and want to talk about their fat ass curs are either clueless or trouble makers. The great majority of them don't want to learn anything - they just want to show off their overweight mutts and start trouble. JMO.

[FireBone]

Kyzerspits I have nothing against blue dogs if breed for the right reasons. I have a problem with dogs like the RE line being called a pitbull when they are bred nothing like an pitbull. They are bred for everything against the pitbull standard. You have some lines even start off as pitbulls but are changed by the breeding of the dogs that are in the line. For example the first amstaff was colby's primo a pibull but he was bred to bitches that were pitbulls and amstaffs too. But the time he started to breed and those puppies hit the ground they were amstaffs he bred the dogs for show and the dogs bred after that were bred for show and the dogs after that. They didn't want gameness in a show dog so they started to breed that out of the the dogs and this is the #1 trait that makes an american pitbull terrier, and then they started to breed for bigger and blockier heads than the pitbulls and then they started to breed for more size than a pitbull. eventually you started to get totally differnt dogs and thus they should never be called the same name as our dogs. Then you got people breeding there dogs with all types of sh*t and then still calling them pitbulls I don't care what anyone says those dog are not pitbulls. I would not have one strand of a problem with the dogs if they were simply not called pitbulls because thats not what they are. These dogs mess up the name of our breed. Kyzerspits please tell me how these dogs are pitbulls when they are bred completly against the standards for an American Pitbull Terreir.

[jawbones]

I suppose you feel the same way about Grayline? I have real game heavy bred grayline dog. Also some good Carver Stompanado.

[kyzerspits]

Let me see if I can cover all of this nonsense. "Anyone can register mutts with the ADBA." Mmmm are you trying to help your side of the arguement or hurt it? ADBA is pretty much none as being the game registery isn't it. "you've never seen a real game dog""Dog aggression is not to be confused with being game"" This doesn't even warent a response. "I tell you what I'd like to see one of those fat blue curs run 10 miles" Come over anytime. You think just because your a Game "breeder" that your the only one that knows how to condition a dog, you have a high opinion of yourself don't you."Blue is a recessive trait it should NEVER be bred for It's as bad as breeding for undershot jaws & cow-hocked legs!" Ahhh so is Red. LOL thats one of the dumbest statments I've heard in a long time. THanks I needed a laugh. Now Firebone. You seem like someone that knows what there talking about. And I understand your point about the standards and how a game dog and a bullier dog are worlds apart it seems now days. But you are being to vague for me to answer your questions. What standard are you looking at that they were bred against? You said then they were bred to crap. What breedings are you talking about. What dogs in the RE line are you talking about please let me know. <!-- / message -->

[SFK]

Come on now son, don't get mad because your big blue turds aint worth their weight in fertilizer. What do you mean red is recessive? Red coats are very common it's red noses that's recessive. & like the blue dogs It should not be a reason to breed. Now we can go back an forth about why I do what I do & why you do what you do. The simple fact is if coat/nose color is a reason for doing a breeding then you don't have any business with these dogs. If you condition your dogs and they're not overweight then I applaud you. But you know as well as I do you can look at any of the blue breeders websites on the internet & it is rare to find one that even remotely resembles the ADBA standard. On their homepages they even boast about their excessive weight & head size. Want to argue that? I own a female directly off of a blue male. However he's never thrown a blue pup. Neither of his parents were blue nor his grandparents. He's produced many game dogs & including a Gr CH. So as you can see it's not the color I'm against it's the fact that these people who breed for specific color traits have gotten so far away from what a Gamedog is supposed to be that it's pathetic!

[SpencerPits]

It's sad when people ruin a breed so badly that neither the performance dog "side" nor the show dog "side" will claim them. We don't want em called APBTs, and I can almost guarantee that the AST show dog breeders/fanciers wouldn't want these grossly overdone dogs called ASTs either. What does that tell you about these overgrown mutts?

[FireBone]

http://muglestonspitbullfarm.com/images/goliath_bighead_lg.jpg

http://www.bluebladepits.com/images/males/mr_hyde/mr_hyde_april_b.jpg (http://www.bluebladepits.com/males/mr_hyde.htm) Both of these dogs come off of the RE lines and they are overdone dogs the top dog is Goliath from Mugleston kennels he is a 135lb dog and look how short he is. That is sad, this is not an athletic dog what so ever he may be registered with the UKC and the ADBA but goes against the standards of both registries he is just an overdone dog. The bottom dog is a 95lb puppy he is only 9 months. He is a UKC registered dog. Now here is the ukc standard of an pitbull http://www.apbtconformation.com/ both of these dogs goes against the standard by the way they are, and the way they are bred. And you say these dogs are pitbulls they are not KyzersPits. the ukc and the adba standards are almost the exact same. The ADBA is flat out BS they will register anything if the money is right I know a person with purebred american bulldogs that are adba registered I asked him why does he have them registered as pitbulls and American bulldogs he says that is what sales. The people who breed razor edge bloodlines are only doing it for money. Here check this out I found this at a ukc site and read it. Now can you answer my question KyzersPits? How are these dogs Pitbulls? http://www.apbtconformation.com/the_standards.htm

[B]

Let me see if I can cover all of this nonsense. "Anyone can register mutts with the ADBA." Mmmm are you trying to help your side of the arguement or hurt it? ADBA is pretty much none as being the game registery isn't it. "you've never seen a real game dog""Dog aggression is not to be confused with being game"" This doesn't even warent a response. "I tell you what I'd like to see one of those fat blue curs run 10 miles" Come over anytime. You think just because your a Game "breeder" that your the only one that knows how to condition a dog, you have a high opinion of yourself don't you."Blue is a recessive trait it should NEVER be bred for It's as bad as breeding for undershot jaws & cow-hocked legs!" Ahhh so is Red. LOL thats one of the dumbest statments I've heard in a long time. THanks I needed a laugh. Now Firebone. You seem like someone that knows what there talking about. And I understand your point about the standards and how a game dog and a bullier dog are worlds apart it seems now days. But you are being to vague for me to answer your questions. What standard are you looking at that they were bred against? You said then they were bred to crap. What breedings are you talking about. What dogs in the RE line are you talking about please let me know. <!-- / message -->Nah, many gamedog breeders don't feel a need to register dogs. My dogs are bred how I say they are. I don't sell dogs and anyone I farm a dog out to is a close enough friend to know I'm honest about my breedings. ADBA is a joke man, get with the times. Their roots came from gamedogs but they prefer to make a quick buck registering you're fashionable dogs. Whatever floats their boat but I'm not supporting such an organization.

You don't see warranting a response becaues you wouldn't know what the hell to say. You don't know crap about gamedogs if you're sitting here defending these blue mutts and that is pretty obvious. You're just like all the other fad breeders out there. Get in, ruin the breed a bit, and try to make a quick buck selling pretty color mutts to fad owners that think a blue 150lb block head dog on their leash is a fashion statement. Then you grow tired of the fad and move on to spotted rottweilers or striped dobermans, leaving the rest of us behind to deal with the mess you create. YOU are directly a reason why this breed is taking a turn for the worse and you disgust me in every possible way.

You sir, should be taught a lesson by a real dogger but ain't no one out there stupid enough to mess with your kind...

Have a great day!

B

[B]

BTW, notice anything about EVERY blue mutt on all of these websites? They are grossly overweight and bred in such a ridiculous fashion that none of them could ever attempt to be as athletic as an APBT (which isn't what you own). You probably own Dogue De Bordeaux and Neo mastiff half crosses which your undereducated ass probably believes are American Pitbull Terriers. You are the one with the curtains being pulled over your head and you have a serious issue with denial if you think you're petty comments mean a rats ass to me. The only reason I'm bothering to comment is to save some poor uneducated newbie the experience of buying one of these mutts and coming to the sad realization they got duped if/when they ever get off their asses and learn a thing or two about what makes these dogs the best canine companions, athletes, and service dogs in the good ol' US of A.

Have fun!

B

[Whiskey Bay]

I'm not going to say anything about the blue dogs,my opinion is already out there.All I have to say(and take this in a good way) is about BnD's above post. "ouch" I bet that one stung em.

[Whiskey Bay]

I suppose you feel the same way about Grayline? I have real game heavy bred grayline dog. Also some good Carver Stompanado.I'm not all that familiar with all the blue bloods even though I own some blue dogs.One is heavy bred down from Boudreaux and stands to the game standards in every way.That's been accepted here.I have a RED brindle female that comes down off of heavy Stompanato/Bullyson/Midnight cowboy.She also has heavy Norrod's dogs and a few POR and ROM dogs.Plenty of CH and GRCH.She weighs in at 76 pounds light.She is over what I'd consider for the game,but she has it.No one on here really has any problem with any of the colors,it's the one's with most of the color.RE is bred BIG,Gotti is bred BIG,then I think there is like Ruffian ,Gaff and York which has been brought in from the Amstaff side(AKC) to add to the look and the Watchdog lines aren't to game as they were originally. Why? Because of people wanting a different look,thus a different dog.Like everyone says,the problem is breeding FOR the size ,color,and lines.My blue male has never been bred to a blue female,even though I have one on the yard.He's never been bred for color,as he throws mostly chocolates.Everyone needs to just learn to chill and quit throwing their dogs in everyone's faces and startin shit.This is a GAMEDOG board,but it holds a wealth of knowledge and information which is usefull for and type of "Bulldog".If you can't stop the shit ,stay outta the kitchen.
I had a fella wanted to give me a heavy bred greyline dog.Now again,I'm not up on all the blue bloods,but in this "Greyline dog" was HEAVY Gaff/Ruffian/ watchdog/courtier/winegarner leading to the greyline.90% of that is AKC dogs.Pits? Nope Amstaffs.
Also Stompanato was a Carver only by name.He came off of Boudreaux dogs.

[SpencerPits]

I think I'm gonna find some "Check out our overdone, bred for color, size and man aggressiveness curs" board and throw my dogs in their faces. LMAO! Sorry - couldn't resist.

[jawbones]

Man, every blue dog aint a mutt. I have 2 very good athletic dogs. That's all I'm saying bout that. I was taught by some of the best and handled some very good dogs then chose to quit for 18 years. I'm back and hoping some of these blue dogs will be bred for the right reasons and stop something good. They may all be junk, but we'll see. I love BnD's passion. Sounds like the old passion I learned from a couple of good Texas dog men years ago.

[Bluepit50]

O.k. lets find some common ground that we can all agree on, as everyone of us are on different levels of experience with bulldogs. what's important is that we all love the breed and need to focus more on the facts and not our opinions.

1) Is there a higher % of blue pits not game bred than any other color right now?
-YES
2) Does color have anything to do with game?
-NO
3) Are there true game pits of every color?
-YES
4) Should any pit that is not game bred and not bred to the original standard be called an American Pitbull Terrier?
No, there's nothing wrong with calling them American Staffordshire Terriers. This is a simple way to keep different types of breedings seperate from our original standard for this breed. They are all genetically pitbulls but any breed of dog can change and evolve into another type of dog if they are continually breed for different traits than the breed was originally made for.
5) Are there many pits of every color bred for size or a certain look?
-YES
6) Is blue actually a defect in pitbulls and more prone to certain health problems?
- Well i'm not an expert, but all I can tell you is that out of the blue game pits that i've seen and 2 that I have personally, they are very healthy, perform, and look like any other true pit in the world. I believe that if the dog just happened to come out blue and was correctly game bred from a healthy family line, then it should not be considered a defect especially if ABDA says that this color is'nt and if the dog has no problems to speak of.


Anyways, that's my 2 sense on it all

Oh yeah, one more thing, here our 3 game bred blue pits that we have here in Atlanta, 2 males and 1 female. All 3 were flukes and came from very good lines, I have their bloodlines and other family members in my gallery.

[SpencerPits]

...it should not be considered a defect especially if ABDA says that this color is'nt...
I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but this is one of the most ignorant statements you could make in regard to this. Just cause the ADBA stepped up to the plate and quit registering Merles (which surprised the hell outta me), doesn't mean they're gonna quit registering every bad example, unhealthy example, or non-pure mutts. They're out for the almighty dollar before anything else. JMO. ;)

[B]

I don't have a problem with blue dogs. There are a FEW blue dogs popping up in Broudreax breedings. An accidental blue dog as a results of a gamedog breeding happens. Do most of the people with blue dogs have these accidental gamedog byproducts? NO. They have dogs bought specifically for color, size, and possibly the belief they will be breeding and making big money. I have problems with people that breed dogs for colors, size, and money. Blue breeders generally fall into each of those categories so I despise them that much more. There are plenty of ignorant breeders doing bad crap to the breed with normal colored dogs but these blue folk are a breed all in their own. Not only do they commit the three "deadly" sins (color, size, and money) they also think their dogs can be considered APBT or gamedogs. That's like crapping and trying to rub it in someone's face and believeing you are right to be doing it. Go find a blue board to peddle your wares. You deserve everyhing you get coming on a gamedog board and trying to flaunt your crap. Just don't get pissy when it gets rubbed right back in your face.

Again, I have no issues with blue dogs... It isn't their fault people are totally exploiting them for personal gain.

B

[B]

Ask yourself... why do I own these dogs?

A) Pretty color?
B) Make money breeding?
C) Makes me feel tough?
D) All of the above.

If you can honestly look at this question and feel that none of those describe you, then maybe you stand a chance in learning something and helping out these dogs we're struggling to keep true to form. If not, you ARE the problem. I'm done with this topic. Feel free to PM me if you would like to continue this discussion or have an issue with anything I say. I'll do my best to explain my point of view and "show you the light". Sorry if I came across sharply, I guess its because I give a crap about these dogs. I want my kids and grandkids to enjoy them the same way I do and the best way to do that is to keep them to gamedog standard (the reason they ARE what they are today).

B

[Bluepit50]

I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but this is one of the most ignorant statements you could make in regard to this. Just cause the ADBA stepped up to the plate and quit registering Merles (which surprised the hell outta me), doesn't mean they're gonna quit registering every bad example, unhealthy example, or non-pure mutts. They're out for the almighty dollar before anything else. JMO. ;)
Now don't get me wrong, I know the ADBA are'nt the gods of pitbulls, but they are alittle better with the American Pitbull Terrier standard than AKC and UKC. I was just using them as a piece of my mind about the disagreements with the color blue just to find a little common ground for both sides to see. Offcourse they have some giants in them too, but they are the best out of the 3 to work with for anyone wanting to keep to original standard. They got some cleaning up to do, but would you rather your game bred pits to be UKC or AKC?

[SpencerPits]

Now don't get me wrong, I know the ADBA are'nt the gods of pitbulls, but they are alittle better with the American Pitbull Terrier standard than AKC and UKC. I was just using them as a piece of my mind about the disagreements with the color blue just to find a little common ground for both sides to see. Offcourse they have some giants in them too, but they are the best out of the 3 to work with for anyone wanting to keep to original standard. They got some cleaning up to do, but would you rather your game bred pits to be UKC or AKC?Actually, I don't fool with the ADBA anymore. You'll find that a lot of game dog breeders are doing the same. The ADBA isn't shit anymore, IMO. Heard (and dealt with) too many bad things from them. I'm not lining their pockets anymore ;)

EDIT: just wanted to add that it wouldn't make a shitload of difference what registry a dog is papered with. I've got a pup that is off an AKC/ADBA registered AST/APBT. Lots of staff lines (mostly Ruffian), but the sire has been proven game, and I'm hoping this pup turns out good. If he does, I have no clue what I'd breed him to. He's really my son's dog, but my point is that the registry has nothing to do with it.

[FireBone]

BFCK is a good registry i hear when i get my new dogs that is who i'm going to register my dogs with if i like what i'm see in them.

[Bluepit50]

I was just about to ask you all that, what else is there that would be a respectable registry for game bred pitbulls?

[chainsoff]

What are some opinions of the SDR(sporting dog registry), and Fast Lane Registry?

[Bluepit50]

Don't know much about other registeries, but that Sporting Dog sounds good to me. I'm interested to know more about it.

[CRD]

They are show-type pitbulls or should I say opposite of Game-Bred Pits?

[Whiskey Bay]

Sporting Dog Registry was started with T.Garner.He's already been being watched so none of the dogmen I know are messing with his registry or his journals anymore.Too many crackdowns .

[NuTtDoGg]

Let me see if I can cover all of this nonsense. "Anyone can register mutts with the ADBA." Mmmm are you trying to help your side of the arguement or hurt it? ADBA is pretty much none as being the game registery isn't it. "you've never seen a real game dog""Dog aggression is not to be confused with being game"" This doesn't even warent a response. "I tell you what I'd like to see one of those fat blue curs run 10 miles" Come over anytime. You think just because your a Game "breeder" that your the only one that knows how to condition a dog, you have a high opinion of yourself don't you."Blue is a recessive trait it should NEVER be bred for It's as bad as breeding for undershot jaws & cow-hocked legs!" Ahhh so is Red. LOL thats one of the dumbest statments I've heard in a long time. THanks I needed a laugh. Now Firebone. You seem like someone that knows what there talking about. And I understand your point about the standards and how a game dog and a bullier dog are worlds apart it seems now days. But you are being to vague for me to answer your questions. What standard are you looking at that they were bred against? You said then they were bred to crap. What breedings are you talking about. What dogs in the RE line are you talking about please let me know. <!-- / message -->
I agree 100% with this post and must say I own game dogs and razors edge house stock. Id never give anyone a game dog as a house pet and Id never give an edge dog to a sporting man, thats just me. If you ask me the short wide dogs are just a sub class of the "pitbull" which in all actuality has no standard. There are so many versions and sub breeds of the pitbull that to argue is simply retarded. there are pits bred for police work, rescue, fighting, companionship, agility, show, and even more. Each breeder leaves his mark in his style of pitbull if hes a true dog man. Not everyone is interested in a 35 lb game dog. Some people have large estates and instead of a neopolitan mastiff or a bull mastiff that tend to be excellent guardians but very unsutible for inside living they choose a pitbull fully capable of stopping a 200+ pound man in his tracks inside or outside of the home. Razors Edge does not just breed blues and their dogs arent huge either. They range from 35-100+ all shapes and sizes. they just arent worth a bet in the box. so what. not everyone is interested in canine combat. one last point why talk down on an animal that you probably cant afford or a bloodline that you probably know nothing about.

I defended all the TG bashers when they tried to hang the legend tom garner. I will also defend Dave Wilson for providing me with the best guardians I could ask for as well as members of my "family". my game dogs are just "stock". I would recommend the edge line and edge crosses as well as watch dog crossed with edge or 80%edge 20%gotty
for any protection/guardian work. These dogs arent ill tempered. theyre intelligent. the next generation of edge dogs are getting better and better. bottom line: U want a fighter I recommend eli blood ie chinaman nigerino. U want a guardian/companion? Razors edge, I prefer buckshot and paddington blood with a lil cairo.
I know that imma piss folks off with this post and they'll be thinking my dogs will (b)eat up his edge dogs but just remember I have dogs that i guarentee will (b)eat up your whole yard or die trying.


thanks for your time ,
NuTTDoGG

[rocksteady]

the best COMPANION dog out there is a WELL BRED GAME BRED DOG PERIOD. END OF STORY AND RETARDED ARGUEMENT


If someone isnt interested in a "35 pound game dog" then they need to keep searching for a different breed, like an AM Staff or American Bulldog or Olde English Bulldogge or a Golden Retrieiver...

[Iverson's Pits]

Well, for lack of better judgement, i'll come out with....there is a little bit of R.E. in 2 females i have. They were a show dog bred to a HARD GAME line. My wife was the cause of these dogs in my yard :) The result was pretty good tho. The perfect house/people temp, with the drive and game attitude that everyone loves. One has been game-tested and proved herself. The other one hasn't been tested yet, but has one of the hardest mouths I've seen and an INCREDIBLE drive to get at any female she sees...some males too. Her only fall-back is she shoots low every time. The only R.E. dogs i would EVER approve for show or otherwise would be the R.E. dogs of about 10-15 years ago - the foundation dogs, which weren't actually a part of the R.E. "bloodline." They were the dogs that Dave Wilson thought had the right "Look" to start his own line. They were ok. These are the oldschool R.E. dogs that are in my 2 females.

[Iverson's Pits]

Here's two pics ofthe game-tested female i just spoke of. 1st is more recent...almost 2 years old, 2nd pic is about 6.5 months old. This is a Gaff/Woodforest/RazorEdge male to a Game bitch.


Well, for lack of better judgement, i'll come out with....there is a little bit of R.E. in 2 females i have. They were a show dog bred to a HARD GAME line. My wife was the cause of these dogs in my yard :) The result was pretty good tho. The perfect house/people temp, with the drive and game attitude that everyone loves. One has been game-tested and proved herself. The other one hasn't been tested yet, but has one of the hardest mouths I've seen and an INCREDIBLE drive to get at any female she sees...some males too. Her only fall-back is she shoots low every time. The only R.E. dogs i would EVER approve for show or otherwise would be the R.E. dogs of about 10-15 years ago - the foundation dogs, which weren't actually a part of the R.E. "bloodline." They were the dogs that Dave Wilson thought had the right "Look" to start his own line. They were ok. These are the oldschool R.E. dogs that are in my 2 females.

[ABK]

If someone isnt interested in a "35 pound game dog" then they need to keep searching for a different breed, like an AM Staff or American Bulldog or Olde English Bulldogge or a Golden Retrieiver...
Great post!! Why turn the pit bull into something it's not when there are already tons of breeds out there that fit the standard you're looking for ...?

[rpk]

Let's end this thread! This forum is not for those type of dogs! There are plenty of other places where that line can be discussed.

[B]

Good idea :) Last call was awhile ago... this bar is now closed! :D Let's keep this about GAME-DOG.com

Regards,

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