Keeping a Proper Perspective

[jawbones]

This is just 1 of two e-mails sent to me saying nearly the same thing:

Hello, I have been watching your site for some time now. I think you
have some great dogs and wonderful pictures. I also love how you
portray such a positive image to the breed. I have noticed that you
are
continually changing your dogs. Is there a reason for this. I have
owned Pit Bulls for some time now and I have been there only home and
will always be there only home. They are very loyal animals that
deserve the same loyalty in return. Sad to see Sweety leave, she was
beautiful dog, but you have some beautiful babies now and I hope to see
them stick around. Good Luck! S. M.

I hope my response wasn't too harsh, but man get a grip people, this animal rights, love your dogs like they're human thing can go a little too far. We must learn to keep a proper perspective!

http://www.freewebs.com/jawbonespitbulls/

My response.
ATTN: PET ENTHUSIAST

It has been called to my attention that we are wrong for moving so many dogs in and out of our kennel. Someone e-mailed me and told me how disappointed they were that we have different dogs on the site from time to time. They continued telling me that they have had the same dogs for years and would never think of trading them or selling them and that they are part of the family.

My reply is this: We have working dogs here at this little farm. We are not a puppy mill. We hunt during the fall hunting seasons with the exception of hogs which we can hunt all year long. We take excellent care of our animals as should anyone who owns them. I get attached to nearly every dog that comes through this place and hate to see some go, but for various reasons some will and do go. We are not New Agers that treat these guys like humans. We do not worship dogs. We are the Masters, they are the animals. If someone in our circle of friends has something I like better, I am subject to trade. I had rather trade a dog to a friend than sell one to some nut that doesn't need one. So if you look on this site and see changes, it's probably because a dog wouldn't hunt and became someones pet, or, one of my buddies came up with a dog I liked better and we traded. This animal rights nonsense has gone too far and if you are an animal right freak then you are probably on the wrong site.

Long live all those who love the sporting dog and use them for this purpose with respect and dignity.

[idgie]

well done, jawbones - bravo!

[b gonzales]

nice well done

[Rocky H. Balboa]

After reading Jawbones post, I cannot remain quite....

Dogs are not cattle, pigs, or horses. I do not agree with trading just b/c you saw something 'better'. There most be a commitment between the human and dog.
Master? Does the word make you feel powerful? Sure, I believe dogs have rights. The right to be loved and protected. Each one has their own personality and funny attributes. It is hard to see (and understand) this when you have 50 dogs in your keep (I am not saying you per say) and your only aim is to find the "almost dead-game" attitude. Most dogmen know that dogs do more for the love of its human than due to aggression. You, JAWBONES (by your statement above), sound like you care more about the "hunt" and "game" than the dogs. You should get your priorities straight. It is not: You love the game, thus, you get the dog. You love the dog first, thus, you get him into the game (box, hunt, etc).

I don't blame you...I have reasoned you to be a second or third generation dogman that has been taught a certain way. Old ways are hard to change. I wonder if you ever had a dead-game dog you cried for loosing rather than for loosing the contest. I wonder if you prefer dead game over picking them up. I wonder.....Am I the only one??

[b gonzales]

the only way to better your yard is to breed only the best. so if i get a cur dog ill send it to u. and maby jaw might too

[LOON3]

I like to stay open minded when it comes to Animal Rights to both ends. No, these dogs arent sheep or cattle, but it depends on what you have your dogs for. Sporting dogs come and go, and sometime they go sooner than we would like. The owner knows that, and sometime to improve his/her farm a trade isnt so bad, as long as the trade is with a responsible owner like a close friend or a well known trusted dogman. Its not like they are trading the long term house pet. But I do agree that the dead game mentality goes too far for some dogmen. IMO it just depends on the owners reason for having the dog. And yes dogs should have a master, because it is still an animal, and animals must know who the master is, especially pets. I agree with sporting dogs and show dogs, I dont down either, and I dont think we should, whether you want to call it an AmStaff or a Pit..it really doesnt matter because the govt. with this bsl BS are calling them all pitbulls, so it effects both dogmen...but thats just my thoughts on the matter.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

the only way to better your yard is to breed only the best. so if i get a cur dog ill send it to u. and maby jaw might too
You haven't heard of dogs believed to b curs, sent to another dogman and becoming Champions? It has alot to do with the man/dog relationship. and Master....I am my dog's human. He is the human's dog. I am the Alpha male and he is second in command. Understand. Hey, wouldn't you kick yourself if you sent me what you believed to be a cur and I turn it into a champion?

Did you think of a dog that was first considered a cur, traded and then turned into a champion? off the top of my head I believe Chinaman was one.

[b gonzales]

yea but i spend alot of time with my dogs and when i have to let them go i get dissapointed and do miss some of them and if some one can make it a champ then so be it because i could not do so!

[LOON3]

hey you can really send it to me..i had a cur dog once, and my mother got too attatched to it so I really couldnt get rid of it, it turned into our house pet..but one time a deer tried to attack my niece and nephew..and I seen soooooo much game come out that bitch...she fought the deer off for like 35 min...the deer was mad bc the fawn was at the bus stop one morning b4 the kids went to school and it couldnt get out the ditch...but now i dont believe in cur dogs..i think some dogs just need a purpose...i know some people like that..oh yea and the deer really gave it to her

[Rocky H. Balboa]

hey you can really send it to me..i had a cur dog once, and my mother got too attatched to it so I really couldnt get rid of it, it turned into our house pet..but one time a deer tried to attack my niece and nephew..and I seen soooooo much game come out that bitch...she fought the deer off for like 35 min...the deer was mad bc the fawn was at the bus stop one morning b4 the kids went to school and it couldnt get out the ditch...but now i dont believe in cur dogs..i think some dogs just need a purpose...i know some people like that..oh yea and the deer really gave it to her
Wow! that sounds like exactly what I mean. Did the dog survive the confrontation? A deer is no joke. I am sure she would have been willing to die for your niece and nephew.

[b gonzales]

pretty good well i had a female that was afraid of a dam cat what should i have done with her? i gave it to my sis for a pet just because i got attatched to her. see im a nice guy.

[rocksteady]

You haven't heard of dogs believed to b curs, sent to another dogman and becoming Champions? It has alot to do with the man/dog relationship.
Did you think of a dog that was first considered a cur, traded and then turned into a champion? off the top of my head I believe Chinaman was one.

Well then didnt that just backfire in your face? All the more reason to let some dogs go to new homes! Maybe the dogs arent working for the person who owns them and they feel the dog would do better with someone else ... I for one would rather see a dog I owned go to someone who would give it the chance it deserves..

Ya, it would be nice if we could keep every single dog and have them all turn out great and work for us, but that just isnt the case..

Tend your own garden before pulling weeds in someone elses' ......

[misterdogman]

Well then didnt that just backfire in your face? All the more reason to let some dogs go to new homes! Maybe the dogs arent working for the person who owns them and they feel the dog would do better with someone else ... I for one would rather see a dog I owned go to someone who would give it the chance it deserves..

Ya, it would be nice if we could keep every single dog and have them all turn out great and work for us, but that just isnt the case..

Tend your own garden before pulling weeds in someone elses' ......Damn straight MoFro, thats what my Half Brothers Step Daddies babies mama's sister in law use to say about the neighbors...Word to your Mutha...

[Rocky H. Balboa]

pretty good well i had a female that was afraid of a dam cat what should i have done with her? i gave it to my sis for a pet just because i got attatched to her. see im a nice guy.
Yes you are. a dog afraid of a cat? was it a pup? That's the only way I see that happening. You could have started with stuffed animals.hehehe. Again, depending on the age....You could have started with a stuffed animal rubbed with the sent of another animal (i.e. cat), started teasing the dog with it not too ruff (depending on the dog's reaction), and on the first time she challenged back (no matter how much of it reaction. a groan or bark is fine) praise her. If you did this a few times, the gameness may have awoken or she was never meant to be boxed. Some dogs learn from very young not to show any aggression towards anything.

[b gonzales]

im all about the game she was just afraid of every thing she has one of the best peds too and raised with all my other dogs maby she was retarted like me.

[GaDog]

Man this is so interesting. A dog fighting to save a human is the best one could ever hope for. A dog fighting to make a human money is straight bullshit. A round for the owner and a better home for his pooch. Sick bastard is the only title for a dog fighter, a man or bitch to scared to fight for themselves or they would be in the pit with another of their oun kind going for the gold or green. Hunting with the dog is great, fighting your dog is sick, deranged, and the own should be euthinized. That right I said it because I believe it. And if you say only the thugs hurt their dogs go get a hammer and wack yourself for being so stupid. Chinaman is a good example of a dog misused for cash and vile enjoyment of his handlers. Some peeps are so stupid it aint funny no more. Guns they have, guts they are low on.

[b gonzales]

globe arizona nov 12 king of the cage come watch me gadog. b gonzales

[rocksteady]

So who keeps hitting u with the hammer?? If you want people to LISTEN to you, you need to go and clean out your dutty mouth with some LISTERINE..

Bashing people with your filth isnt going to change any minds or allow people to see your side of the long story.


How many darn times do we have to repeat ourselves? NO ONE ON THIS SITE FIGHTS THEIR DOGS ITS ILLEGAL

"working" pertains to hunting, agility,obedience, search and rescue or any other LEGAL activity one can think of..


Talk talk talk... its old.. time to find yourself a new hobby

[Rocky H. Balboa]

globe arizona nov 12 king of the cage come watch me gadog. b gonzales
I am a MMA fan and watch King of the cage but obviously prefer Pride ....what did you say about "gadog"?

[Rocky H. Balboa]

So who keeps hitting u with the hammer?? If you want people to LISTEN to you, you need to go and clean out your dutty mouth with some LISTERINE..

Bashing people with your filth isnt going to change any minds or allow people to see your side of the long story.


How many darn times do we have to repeat ourselves? NO ONE ON THIS SITE FIGHTS THEIR DOGS ITS ILLEGAL

"working" pertains to hunting, agility,obedience, search and rescue or any other LEGAL activity one can think of..


Talk talk talk... its old.. time to find yourself a new hobby
Rocksteady, I second that! Glad to agree with you!

[Texasbulldogs]

“Dogs are not cattle, pigs, or horses. I do not agree with trading just b/c you saw something 'better'.”
What is the difference between the animals, all of them are classified as “livestock”?

“You haven't heard of dogs believed to b curs, sent to another dogman and becoming Champions?”
Name the dogs…not what you “heard”.

“A dog fighting to make a human money is straight bullshit.”
You saying if no money is exchanged, it’s ok?

“Sick bastard is the only title for a dog fighter, a man or bitch to scared to fight for themselves or they would be in the pit with another of their oun kind going for the gold or green.”
If we go with you thinking on “dog fighters”, would you also believe those involved in horse racing do so because of the lack of ability to run fast? What about hunter's…would that mean they are too weak and stupid to fend for themselves, thus need a dog to assist them in living?
If a “dog fighter” is nothing more than a “sick bastard”, what does that make those keeping this breed? Being how sick bastards created it, would we all not be mentally sicker for caring for, loving something created by sick bastards?

[Rocky H. Balboa]

The below is the only one relating to me right? Yes, they are all livestock but a dog should not be treated the same way. That's all.

“Dogs are not cattle, pigs, or horses. I do not agree with trading just b/c you saw something 'better'.”
What is the difference between the animals, all of them are classified as “livestock”?

[GaDog]

B Gon, that is great man and I glad you are in the combatives game, I was fussing about those who advocate dog fighting. But glad to hear your competeing, if it was closer trust me I would come. If you land a fight in the atlanta area be sure to post or pm me. I still feel that anyone or at least most who would fight their dog fo sport is yellow. Rocksteady, do you really believ what you hust typed. If some dont do it then they just like to reference it to sound cool or smart, or what I say is stupid. Does not help the BSL fight out in anyway shape or form.

[coyrobert]

i could not get rid of one of my dogs, even if all it did was lay around and eat, the dog is a part of my home, and i wouldnt trust no one else with my dog

[nappydawg]

i would give someone a dog but it would be a good friend or a family member ya knwo someone that i can trust i am a weakling i get attached to em quick thats me though

[njchmin]

Jawbones said that she had working dogs. If the dog doesnt proform like it should than what would be the purpose of keeping it around.

[b gonzales]

lets all just get along

[GaDog]

Get along, hell I would like to see all owners stand together and fight this BSL BS. I know it will never happen but we helped the USSR in WW2 to beat a more vile enemy but we cannot pull together to save what we say we love. As I have stated earlier here in GA only around 20 mpeeps care enough to put a body in front of the legislators and what does that say. These rich rappers haver never shown up. Only a few breeders and show folks show. What is the deal with people? They will cry if they have to give up their dog but will not stand for the right to keep it. Another thing I have noticed is only 1 or 2 black men come in to reperesent. What is wrong with people, is it that hard to get in a car and drive at least one time to fight for your rights. From what I have seen the answer is yes. I can drive to a ballgame, or to go hunting or a dog show but to fight for my right to keep my dogs, na that to much trouble. If you do nothing you generally get nothing. I am confused.

[jawbones]

After reading Jawbones post, I cannot remain quite....

Dogs are not cattle, pigs, or horses. I do not agree with trading just b/c you saw something 'better'. There most be a commitment between the human and dog.
Master? Does the word make you feel powerful? Sure, I believe dogs have rights. The right to be loved and protected. Each one has their own personality and funny attributes. It is hard to see (and understand) this when you have 50 dogs in your keep (I am not saying you per say) and your only aim is to find the "almost dead-game" attitude. Most dogmen know that dogs do more for the love of its human than due to aggression. You, JAWBONES (by your statement above), sound like you care more about the "hunt" and "game" than the dogs. You should get your priorities straight. It is not: You love the game, thus, you get the dog. You love the dog first, thus, you get him into the game (box, hunt, etc).

I don't blame you...I have reasoned you to be a second or third generation dogman that has been taught a certain way. Old ways are hard to change. I wonder if you ever had a dead-game dog you cried for loosing rather than for loosing the contest. I wonder if you prefer dead game over picking them up. I wonder.....Am I the only one??
This is the purpose of my post, to see the distinction. To hear the differences of opinions. I do love the hunt, but at the same time I have two very wonderful dogs that go with me almost everywhere I go and sleep next to my bed every night on their own bed. For your info. Rocky I just returned from the vet because we rescued 4 puppies last night that has Coccidiosis. Do I sell these puppies? NOPE! Who pays for all these rescues on my yard. ME!!!! Why? Because I love dogs. But out of the 15 I own, if one doesn't perform like I want it to and my cousin or brother thinks they can work the bad habit out of the dog, I'll trade it or give it away. Don't judge people too harshly over one post. I am disabled and have nothing better to do than spoil these dogs, but at the same time, in my mind, they are nothing more or nothing less than dogs. They are just dogs. :) If you seen my yard you would appreciate what we do.

[jawbones]

the only way to better your yard is to breed only the best. so if i get a cur dog ill send it to u. and maby jaw might too
No currs here! :)

[Marty]

Get along, hell I would like to see all owners stand together and fight this BSL BS. I know it will never happen but we helped the USSR in WW2 to beat a more vile enemy but we cannot pull together to save what we say we love. As I have stated earlier here in GA only around 20 mpeeps care enough to put a body in front of the legislators and what does that say. These rich rappers haver never shown up. Only a few breeders and show folks show. What is the deal with people? They will cry if they have to give up their dog but will not stand for the right to keep it. Another thing I have noticed is only 1 or 2 black men come in to reperesent. What is wrong with people, is it that hard to get in a car and drive at least one time to fight for your rights. From what I have seen the answer is yes. I can drive to a ballgame, or to go hunting or a dog show but to fight for my right to keep my dogs, na that to much trouble. If you do nothing you generally get nothing. I am confused.Well for your info some people have to work for a living!

[fyremyst]

Granted I dont have the luxury of jumping in the car and driving across the country to fight the good fight but, when the fight is somewhere close enough, bet your arse I'll be there and I dare someone try and tell me what to do with my babies!

[440rider]

Only a few breeders and show folks show. What is the deal with people? They will cry if they have to give up their dog but will not stand for the right to keep it. Another thing I have noticed is only 1 or 2 black men come in to reperesent. What is wrong with people, is it that hard to get in a car and drive at least one time to fight for your rights. From what I have seen the answer is yes. I can drive to a ballgame, or to go hunting or a dog show but to fight for my right to keep my dogs, na that to much trouble. If you do nothing you generally get nothing. I am confused.

I dont think this is a race issue for one! Secondly, just because you are being seen doesnt mean others are not BEING HEARD!

[GaDog]

Hey Marty take a day off once a year, I have a J O B too. Who said race was an issue, not me. But it needs to be a larger reresentation of those who own and breed. And if you like it or not there are some who blame the problem on the black community. I am talking about local and state level officials. No it is not a race issue, it is an owner issue. Get mad if ya like but on most things not all but most things I am right. Letters and e-mails are good but shaking the hands and letting them know your face goes alot further. Hard to have a one on one with a politician over the net. It is easier to be ignored when the person you are writing does not open their own mail.

[Rasp]

What is the difference between the animals, all of them are classified as “livestock”?


One thing would be, we have taken Pit Bulls/dogs from their natural pack environment and now they thrive off human attention, not to mention their level of loyalty to us is higher. Some animals might form a simple bond with their owner. I have not heard of a cow or pig risking its life to save a human's. That alone puts them on a higher level. I always felt I owed my dogs some of that loyalty in return.

[DryCreek]

OMG he's a politician......LOL
Sounds like one anyways.
GADog Get off yer podium....people might react a little better:)

[Rasp]

OMG he's a politician......LOL
Sounds like one anyways. Get off yer podium....people might react a little better:)
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[njchmin]

Get along, hell I would like to see all owners stand together and fight this BSL BS. I know it will never happen but we helped the USSR in WW2 to beat a more vile enemy but we cannot pull together to save what we say we love. As I have stated earlier here in GA only around 20 mpeeps care enough to put a body in front of the legislators and what does that say. These rich rappers haver never shown up. Only a few breeders and show folks show. What is the deal with people? They will cry if they have to give up their dog but will not stand for the right to keep it. Another thing I have noticed is only 1 or 2 black men come in to reperesent. What is wrong with people, is it that hard to get in a car and drive at least one time to fight for your rights. From what I have seen the answer is yes. I can drive to a ballgame, or to go hunting or a dog show but to fight for my right to keep my dogs, na that to much trouble. If you do nothing you generally get nothing. I am confused.
Dont call out all owners and say that they dont care about thier dogs. I love all my dogs to death and if BSL passes in SC i can lose all 4 of mine. If i could have made it to Georgia i would have, and i would have taken my big scary pit with me. But unfortunately people have lives that go on day to day. I have a job that i have to go to everyday to keep my house and my dogs fed. If i could have been there i would have, believe me. But until BSL comes to SC i will have to fight it on the sidelines because i cant afford to drive to other states to fight it there.

Its not that i dont care about my dogs, because i do, but my boss isnt going to give me the day off to drive out of state and if i do i dont get paid.

You compare the fight against BSL to WW2. The only problem with that is that we were an entire nation fighting against the bad guys. Thats why everyone was so rallied together. In the fight against BSL its us "pit type" dog owners fighting against the rest of the nation.

[njchmin]

Letters and e-mails are good but shaking the hands and letting them know your face goes alot further. Hard to have a one on one with a politician over the net. It is easier to be ignored when the person you are writing does not open their own mail.
What makes you think that the politicians are going to care how many people are standing outside the building or how many hands they shake. Most of these people already have thier minds made up on how they are going to vote. You are kidding yourself if you actually believe that they care about what the people in the state want. Its what they want not us.

[b gonzales]

no curs here

[misterdogman]

One thing would be, we have taken Pit Bulls/dogs from their natural pack environment and now they thrive off human attention, not to mention their level of loyalty to us is higher. Some animals might form a simple bond with their owner. I have not heard of a cow or pig risking its life to save a human's. That alone puts them on a higher level. I always felt I owed my dogs some of that loyalty in return.I have not heard of a cow or pig risking its life to save a human's.

No, but my Cow saved my Pigs life. He warned him that I was coming with my Ax and the pig hid behind him. I got em though...Killed the Cow for it too.

[jawbones]

I have not heard of a cow or pig risking its life to save a human's.

No, but my Cow saved my Pigs life. He warned him that I was coming with my Ax and the pig hid behind him. I got em though...Killed the Cow for it too.
Oh Man!!!! I'm LMAO!!!!

[misterdogman]

Oh Man!!!! I'm LMAO!!!!Giggle giggle giggle.

[DryCreek]

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[DryCreek]

Love your humor Mister....LOL

[rocksteady]

actually, i saw on amazing animals or some show like that, a pig that did save its owner's life ..2 thiefs were hiding in her garage, then jumped her when she got home..the pig ran in and started attacking them....no lie

so there ya go...

[TabDogs]

I saw that too!! LOL it was kinda funny though...lol

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Rocksteady, sorry if I sounded as if I was judging you or anyone else in this forum. That is not the case. I would be the last person to start judging others. I understand that life is different in each state. In fact, it is like a different country. I appreciate your last post regarding the pups you rescue. I realize you would not just "trade" dogs, rather, seek a better suited home for it. Gotcha. Please understand my devotion to our breed. I have gone to the extreme of stepping between my dog and a cop's gun. I was ready to be shot before allowing the cop to shoot it (just b/c it was an APBT). I am kind of envious of you and Misterdogman.....Just to name two....from the sound of it....You both live your life as you please....I....I live in what I call modern day slavery. My time is not mine it is my job's. I wish I could dedicate most of my day to training and working my dogs. Maybe someday it will change. Rocksteady are you a He or a She?

[GAPITS]

Unfortunately GADOG there are many of us that can't afford to take the day off for any reason, we do have to feed and provide proper care for our families and our dogs and working is how we do it. I understand your point, we do need to make our presence seen and heard, but don't be so critical of others because they are unable to be there in person, many of those same people are the ones that email on a daily or weekly basis. So they are, in a way they are able to, helping to fight ths fight.

[idgie]

GADOG it sounds like you are judging a bunch of things you don't understand. You think you are the only one that cares about dogs because you show up to one lousy hearing. Some of the people on here have dedicated their whole lives to these dogs. You have no right to bash people when you have no idea what their circumstances are. If I were to judge you by your posts (as you are judging everyone else) I'd say you are a racist, classist yuppy urbanite pet fanatic with no clue that people can WORK animals and still LOVE them in a more profound way than pet people can even imagine. Working families respect the nature of their dogs instead of turning them into bored couch potatoes with lives completely centered around the needs of the owner. Seems like a much more equal relationship to me.
If you really want everyone to pull together to fight BSL, like we are trying to do, why don't you question some of your own ideas and try and learn something here?

[GaDog]

YEh I hear that some of the thousands of dog owners cannot take the time off but I do doubt if it is the case for all but 20 or so. 1 meeting how about all of them including the private ones. Preach what you like you have the right but so do I. When I start seeing a hundred or 500 hundred people on the steps when these meetings happen my mind will be changed. Working dogs, I do not need you to tell me about that, I have hunted with dogs for birds, hogs and bear. But I dont put them together just to see if one would give up. Judgemental, Yes I am but I am not affraid to call it as I see it. Racist, screw you, maybe you should read a littel close. Yuppy, I make ok money and if you want to hold that against me your loss and shows yer ignorance. Im glad I have the money to pay the lawyers to fight what some only talk about. I may not on the nail head with every thing I say but show me who is and I will follow and support them. The ACF is where I will put my money until that time.

[rocksteady]

i work for a living..

[idgie]

my point gadog is not to judge people too quickly online without knowing what they're about. i'm sure you care about your dogs and the breed as much as i do. but one or two posts dont represent the true picture of a person, and you coming here and jumping on people doesn't do the breed any good at all. for all your good intentions toward the breed, you are coming off as a prick. i had to set my reputation filter at -300 to even read your posts. that should tell you something.

[jawbones]

Okay now! This thread has gotten way off topic. And by the way, what in the world is a reputation filter? lol

[idgie]

under "edit options" you can set your reputation filter so that you don't have to read posts by certain peeps :)