Please Help!!

[honeygirl]

Hi everyone,

Please help me this is my last draw for this...I am having problems with 2 things peeing where she sleep and biting. I already spent lost of money on training and that didn't help I had 2 different trainers come to my house already. My pup pee's where she sleeps and not only that but I will find her sleeping on her wee wee pad. I did everything that was said to do by the trainers and nothing. She also bites when I'm petting or playing with her even with her toys. I also scold her as the trainers taught me. I have read countless books on pits and training, I have also done web searches and read everything there is to read here. So now I am seeking help to anyone who can help me here. I am at the point where I think I might give her back to her breeder. Don't get me wrong I love her so much that I spent over $300 on training but it seems that she isn't gonna get over the biting which is my main concern because of my son, which she also bites even to the point where he drew blood.

Any Help Would Be Appreciated.
THANK YOU

[DEADGAME14]

i think all puppys bite, and there teeth are very sharp so it is easy to draw a little blood.I know every pup ive had liked to bite, but none really bit to be mean it was just playful biting that sometimes hurts lol.
Try putting your puppys bed in a crate kennel.Lock it up in there for a few hours a day and it will learn that pissing and shitting where you sleep really sucks.

[jankab]

Put it food in the crate too... How old is the pup? What kind of chew toys does it have? Also, is it biting out of aggression or is it playing? Human aggression should not be tolerated, it takes time and patience and it is very important that your treating it like a dog not like a baby... repetition is very important and use key words that they will get used to "no" "outside" "lay down" ect...

[honeygirl]

She is 11 weeks going to 12. and she pee's in her drate right on top of her pillow. When she bites she sometimes makes a growling noise and most of the time she dont. I do put her in her crate when she bites for hours but as soon as she comes out and I try to play with her or my son starts to pet her she will bite again,. She has rubber toys and plush ones too even a tug rope.

[jankab]

She is still young, just stay consistent with her. It would be hard to determine not seeing the pup, but it does not sound like an aggression issue.
With a crate make sure the crate is not to big or as pups they will tend to go when they please, also putting their food in the crate sometimes helps... you know the old saying "Don't sh*t where you eat". Try to feed and water on a schedule so the puppy gets used to that time schedule. Time out or putting her in the crate a couple hours can be excessive and the puppy will become anxious. Try sending her to her crate when bad and after she settles down 10-15 min or so let her out... another thing is if she is in the crate excessively you should run her when she gets out to help burn off some energy.

[honeygirl]

Thank you so much for the advise I wil keep trying because I really love her and don't want to give her up. I'm hoping that maybe she will grow out of it as I keep with the training. Her crate is the one with the divider so she only have room to get up and turn.

Thanks!!!:)

[jankab]

No prob! I am sure there are a ton of different methods, but that is one that I have seen work. I am sure you will get more advise from other members that you may find more suiting to your needs. Best of luck with her!!

[14rock]

Still a pup....sounds like your on the right track. Should turn out fine, and I know how ya feel, those puppy teeth are sharp! Remember also at that age they cant hold it very long, so let them out before you put them in the kennel and try letting her out more often. I've got faith in ya, this is all just puppy stuff. Good luck and lets see some pics!

[honeygirl]

Here is a few there's more in my gallery!!;)

[jawbones]

You have to be very persistant with puppies. What we do is every time our puppies bite we squeeze their mouth together until it is very uncomfortable, to the point of hurting. We do this quickly and as if it were a second nature and say with a louder, lower toned voice, "don't bite!"
Then you continue as if nothing happened, until he does it again.

[honeygirl]

I havent done that yet...I'm going to try it. I was told that doing that would make her more aggressive. I guess they where wrong!

Thanks

You have to be very persistant with puppies. What we do is every time our puppies bite we squeeze their mouth together until it is very uncomfortable, to the point of hurting. We do this quickly and as if it were a second nature and say with a louder, lower toned voice, "don't bite!"
Then you continue as if nothing happened, until he does it again.

[njchmin]

Oh your puppy is adorable. You son seems to love her alot. Everyone has given you very good advice. I hope everything works out for you and the puppy.

Always watch your son and the puppy. Sometimes kids can be to rough and not even know it. That can cause some of the biting to. My nephew did it to my puppies. It was never intentional. He was just used to playing with the bigger dogs and thought he could do the same with the puppies.

[honeygirl]

Thank you!.... My son doesn't play rough with her he is scared to play with her lol...all he does is pet her and rub her tummy and play fetch. I'm always there when he is with her just incase. It's hard to explain to my son that he can't touch her when she bite because he wants to be with her so bad and pet her that I have caught her biting him and he wont say nothing so I wont send her to the crate. I explained to him why I have to do it so he started to help with training.:)

Thanks for the advise

Oh your puppy is adorable. You son seems to love her alot. Everyone has given you very good advice. I hope everything works out for you and the puppy.

Always watch your son and the puppy. Sometimes kids can be to rough and not even know it. That can cause some of the biting to. My nephew did it to my puppies. It was never intentional. He was just used to playing with the bigger dogs and thought he could do the same with the puppies.

[LadyRampage]

Ok, I'm going to be a little more tough then everyone else has been, but try not to take it the wrong way... Is this your first dog/puppy? Alot of research should have been done BEFORE getting this pup, especially an APBT, and your breeder should be helping you out with these questions as well, not just take your money and forget about you.. Normal puppy behavior is to play (which means biting, and rough housing like they are with their littermates). At 11-12 weeks old your puppy has to learn that its not ok to bite people. Using a stern voice, say OUCH or NO when he bites then stop playing with him until he calms down. We never play rough with our pups, and do not tolerate them to put teeth on us at any time.

Your son shouldn't be scared of the pup unless it is serious biting? How old is your son? Supervised play through out the life of your pup/dog is a MUST, never should a child be left alone with a pup/dog of any breed (just a little side note since I'm sure those trainers that you paid made sure you knew this one)..

Kind of worries me that the breeder would let one of their pups go to a home with an inexperienced owner then not call to check or give advise... This is one of the many things that will lead to us getting our dogs banned, lack of responsiblity when it comes to breeding and placing pups. An 11-12 week old pups should barely be getting settled in your house, since it should have only left mom at around 8 wks old, and expectations should be more realistic at this point. An experienced trainer may be able to house break a pup in a couple weeks but someone that is a first time owner should expect to need more time.

Have you had your pup vet checked to make sure there is not any urinary infections or other medical problems that could be causing your pup to pee in its bed? Make sure it is healthy before assuming that its a behavioral problem.

Its a puppy, puppies chew, play rough, and love to run around. Gentle firm correction, and CONSISTANCE will do wonders at this point. Good luck

[honeygirl]

Lady Rampage.....Thanks.
This is not my first dog and also not a first pit either, But it is the first time I have had trouble with a dog. The breeder gives me advise and he has also been to my house a few times to check on her and help out. I have taken her to the vet and she's in perfect condition also up to date on shots. My son is 4years old he is in the pic I posted below.
once again Lady Rampage thanks alot and I understand what you are saying.

[rocksteady]

how often do you take her out at night?? maybe her bladder isnt developed enough to hold for 8 hours.. its sucks but try getting up in the night and take her outside. (or if its during the day. she might need a couple added potty breaks..)

[rocksteady]

I havent done that yet...I'm going to try it. I was told that doing that would make her more aggressive. I guess they where wrong!

Thanks
Its is going to depend on the dog.. a pup that already has the predispostion to be dominate and aggressive, it very well could make things worse .. but it doesnt sound like your pup is aggressive..so a few times of that and she might just get the message..

[honeygirl]

I have her wee wee pad trained in the house so she uses that to pee. But she pee on her sleeping place no matter what time of the day. I think she likes it because when she is loose in the house she pee on the wee wee pad and then use that as a napping place instead of her pillow or she will just pee on her pillow and lay on it. It's nasty cause I have to be cleaning her all the time.

Thanks

how often do you take her out at night?? maybe her bladder isnt developed enough to hold for 8 hours.. its sucks but try getting up in the night and take her outside. (or if its during the day. she might need a couple added potty breaks..)

[rocksteady]

theres your problem.... If she's loose in the house and can go wherever she pleases she will!! Didnt you crate train her?

Now the problem is she has gotten away with it so many times. she thinks its ok. She needs to be crated when you cannot watch every step she makes.. Crate train and put her on a schedule if she isnt already..

[honeygirl]

So put her in the crate and then take her to her pad when I take her out the crate?theres your problem.... If she's loose in the house and can go wherever she pleases she will!! Didnt you crate train her?

Now the problem is she has gotten away with it so many times. she thinks its ok. She needs to be crated when you cannot watch every step she makes.. Crate train and put her on a schedule if she isnt already..

[honeygirl]

I am happy to say that this is the first method that I have tried and she didn't bite back OMG I am so suprised that in just a couple of hours of doing this when she was biting helped now she opens her mouth as if she where to bit but pulls away and closes it and lick my hands instead I hope it keeps working...ThanksYou have to be very persistant with puppies. What we do is every time our puppies bite we squeeze their mouth together until it is very uncomfortable, to the point of hurting. We do this quickly and as if it were a second nature and say with a louder, lower toned voice, "don't bite!"
Then you continue as if nothing happened, until he does it again.

[scratchin dog]

get rid of the wee wee pads. you dont want her to learn she can pee in the house. when she comes out of the crate take her out the door to pee outside then a lot of praise when she does.

[njchmin]

Yeah pee pads are only good for the smaller breeds of dogs and even then i wouldnt use them. As soon as you take her out of the crate carry her outside and put her on the ground. Wait until she pees. If she doesnt pee than carry her back in and put her in the crate. 15-20 minutes later do it all over again. Dont even give her the chance to pee in the house. When she pees reward her and make a big fuss over it.

[Zoe]

What I would suggest with a nipping puppy is to redirect the behaviour. If she bites or chews something she shouldn't {hands, couch, shoes, whatever} a simple "No" and redirect her to what she is allowed to chew and then PRAISE PRAISE PRAISE! Seeking a positive solution instead of negative reinforcement will benefit your puppy. Not saying negative reinforcement doesn't have it's place but if there is a postitive method that works it is so worth the benefits.
As far as peeing..... she is still so young. Definitely take her outside to pee. Make sure she goes out after she eats. After she drinks. When she first wakes up. After a playtime. Do not let her have free run of the house because if she pees somewhere on the rug for instance and you miss it and she will return to that spot to pee. Baby gate her off into the room you are in so you can watch her and redirect any unwanted behaviour. Make sure if you can't watch her 100% to crate her. I wouldn't use her crate was a punishment. If she does pee in the house that means you have to up the frequency of the amount of times you take her out. Make sure any accidents are thoroughly cleaned up. For a rug a spot cleaner with vinegar and water in it works great or if you don't have one use and enzyme cleaner from the pet store.
When she does pee outside PRAISE PRAISE PRAISE! It is unrealistic to not expect any accidents at this age. She will learn. Just take her out often and praise her like she pooped gold!

[honeygirl]

Once again thank you for all of your advise and experience. I can't even find the words to how I feel about all of you that took your time to help me out...THANK YOU ...THANK YOU:D

[waj]

hey HoneyGirl i didnt read through everyones advice but i suggest you use that stuff you get for cats to poop in when they are at home thats what i did with mine when it was 11 weeks old it worked now he is 1year old. it did the same thing like your

[scratchin dog]

For a pup who nips hands I would screech OW! and leave the room for a few minutes. Nipping is normal puppy behavior and its actually a good thing cause then you can teach it bite inhibition. You want the pup to learn that biting hard hurts people and wont be tolerated. They learn that biting too hard means they play by themselves. Puppies who dont play bite never learn how to moderate their jaw strength and if they do end up biting someone they will go full force cause they never learned otherwise.

[honeygirl]

That makes sence. I didn't see that way. Thanks;) For a pup who nips hands I would screech OW! and leave the room for a few minutes. Nipping is normal puppy behavior and its actually a good thing cause then you can teach it bite inhibition. You want the pup to learn that biting hard hurts people and wont be tolerated. They learn that biting too hard means they play by themselves. Puppies who dont play bite never learn how to moderate their jaw strength and if they do end up biting someone they will go full force cause they never learned otherwise.

[14rock]

That makes sence. I didn't see that way. Thanks;)

Not trying to start anything but I've got something bugging me....You had two trainers already for a 14 week old puppy, and they took 300 bucks and couldnt give you these basic pet obedience steps? To me its crazy that a trainer couldnt just say.....shes a very young puppy, let her out more, crate her when your not with her (shes still a very young dog and you cant expect them to hold it for very long at all, by the time they realize they have to go-its on the floor). and also tell you something along the lines of when she bites let her know that negative things will happen, no matter what method they use to teach this, thats the same principle everyone gets across. Can I just ask you a question-what exactly did these guys tell you and how long did they ''work'' with your dog? Did they come to your house to train you how to train the dog or what was the scenario? Im sorry if im bugging you it just seems to me that these guys have a major problem and should consider a new job oppurtunity if they couldn't tell you these basic things.

[Miss Conduct]

A few things, DONT leave food in her crate with her, leaving it in will make her fill up, then obviously she'll have to go. If shes stuck in her crate and really needs to go, she will. If you leave toys for her, id recomend leaving indestructable toys (like kongs) to make sure she doesnt ingest them (trust me, its extremley expensive to retrieve items out of tummys!). And also, when she is biting when you dont want her to, try replacing your hand with something that she likes to play with instead.

JMO

[honeygirl]

they did tell me to do the things you are saying but she have a habit of peeing on her bed and sleeping on it, They did more than just train her and me on just potty. She was trained for sit, stay, down, off, leash walking, biting and potty. But peeing on her bed not my floor and the biting is the only 2 things not working everything else she does more than perfect. I dont leave food in her crate nor water but for some reason it does not matter the time of day she will find a way to pee or tinkle her bed and lay on it.

Thanks

Not trying to start anything but I've got something bugging me....You had two trainers already for a 14 week old puppy, and they took 300 bucks and couldnt give you these basic pet obedience steps? To me its crazy that a trainer couldnt just say.....shes a very young puppy, let her out more, crate her when your not with her (shes still a very young dog and you cant expect them to hold it for very long at all, by the time they realize they have to go-its on the floor). and also tell you something along the lines of when she bites let her know that negative things will happen, no matter what method they use to teach this, thats the same principle everyone gets across. Can I just ask you a question-what exactly did these guys tell you and how long did they ''work'' with your dog? Did they come to your house to train you how to train the dog or what was the scenario? Im sorry if im bugging you it just seems to me that these guys have a major problem and should consider a new job oppurtunity if they couldn't tell you these basic things.

[14rock]

they did tell me to do the things you are saying but she have a habit of peeing on her bed and sleeping on it, They did more than just train her and me on just potty. She was trained for sit, stay, down, off, leash walking, biting and potty. But peeing on her bed not my floor and the biting is the only 2 things not working everything else she does more than perfect. I dont leave food in her crate nor water but for some reason it does not matter the time of day she will find a way to pee or tinkle her bed and lay on it.

Thanks
Ok, well at least they were able to help you with other issues then. I know the peeing where you sleep thing sounds terrible but you can always think, ''at least I dont have it as bad as 14rock who has a male dog that will only hump males and demands to pee in his water before he drinks it". No this isnt a APBT but hes as screwed up as any dog I've ever seen.But thats what happens when you get an inbred puppy mill dog thats 13 years old and was never trained properly. Sorry to ramble, just had to let ya know, your situation sounds terrible to you im sure, but think of my dog and it will be inspiration to keep training day and night until you've got the perfect little girl! LOL good luck.

[honeygirl]

OMG 14Rock LOL ok ok I think you do got it worst LOL..Thank you for making me laugh I need one today..LOL:p

[StopAnimalAbuse]

My dog use to piss where he slept too. He did it because I left him home and did not take him with me when I left the house. This could be separation anxiety. She is a cutie

[Zoe]

Something else I thought of..... you said she is peeing on her pillow? What are you doing with the pillow after she pees on it? If there is still the scent of pee on it she may continue to pee in the same spot {ie; the pillow}. If you can't throw it in the wash, ditch it. Use blankets and everytime you take her out of the crate check them and make sure there is no pee on them. If there is, take them out and put new ones in and wash the old ones. Don't get to frustrated with her. She is VERY young. It would be like getting mad at your son when he was one for pooping in his diaper. She is just a baby and just learning things. You have to be willing to let her make some mistakes and adjust your approach in a way that will help her learn.

[alicia420]

your puppie may also be bitting because of teething, try giving her a cold wash cloth that can be hers, it will sooth her gums. My puppie perfers frozen water bottles, it stopped her from bitting as much but it won't eliminate it. She's still a baby, give her time and the bitting will slow down.

[RIVES PITS]

Yeah She's Finding Out That She Can Use Those Pearly Whites For Anything Give Her Time And Don't Get Inpatient With Her

[The Watcher]

Yeah She's Finding Out That She Can Use Those Pearly Whites For Anything Give Her Time And Don't Get Inpatient With Her"Give Her Time And Don't Get Inpatient With Her"

best advise given so far........

[REMYSKYY]

Your girl is beautiful! With my male we had the same problem, we even took the pillow out and he still was urinating in the crate. I know this sounds mean and its a headache but it worked, my boyfriend took the grid (the thing that keeps them out of the pee) out of the crate so that when he did pee in there he was actually having to stay in it for a couple of hours before we got home. Everyday I had to bathe him, but after about 3 days of the pee burning his feet and belly he stopped and we haven't had anymore problems since and he is about to be a 1yr old. The thing with the biting, he did the same thing constantly biting on our hands or arms, playing but it still hurt. We got one of those chilly rings from Petsmart and some hard rubber toys, it seemed to help. Good luck and hope everything works out.

[Summer]

Hang in there she is still pretty young and it takes a while. Since she is so young her bitting is probally just the "puppy" in her. Try placing her in a kennel, not too big just big enough for her to be able to stand up and turn around in. If she has an accident make sure it is cleaned up thoroughly so the smell is gone. She is still little she'll catch on. If the problem persist once she gets a little older have the vet check her blatter, one of mine had accidents at 6 mo. and ended up having a blatter infection. But I wouldn't be concerned about that untill she is quite a bit older. Good luck and don't give up....routine....routine...routine.

[jankab]

A few things, DONT leave food in her crate with her, leaving it in will make her fill up, then obviously she'll have to go. If shes stuck in her crate and really needs to go, she will. If you leave toys for her, id recomend leaving indestructable toys (like kongs) to make sure she doesnt ingest them (trust me, its extremley expensive to retrieve items out of tummys!). And also, when she is biting when you dont want her to, try replacing your hand with something that she likes to play with instead.

JMO
I clairified what I meant in a pm the other day... If on a scheduled feeding leaving her food in her crate with her will not cause her to have to go in her crate... Also Kongs are not indestructable, be very careful with them! If you are going to use a Kong use the black one it is a harder material, but I would not leave it in her crate with her unsupervised.

[rockysteel]

Puppies are babies and they have to learn what to bite and what not to bite , she ll learn as she gets older i wouldnt worry about it she s just being a pup.

[misterdogman]

Call Cezar Mulan.."The Dog Whisperer" he will have her doing tricks and serving au' dourves in 17 minutes. LMAO.

[honeygirl]

Your bad LOL...;) Call Cezar Mulan.."The Dog Whisperer" he will have her doing tricks and serving au' dourves in 17 minutes. LMAO.

[Xena]

Our dog had the same problem peeing on her pillow. We must have washed it once a day for the first week after she came home. We changed out her pillow and she stopped. Try changing out her pillow that might help.

[apbtlexiandnahla]

I was having the same problem with my puppy biting. Not aggressively but just while playing she would lick you a little and then latch down. I myself was beggining to be concerned with aggression. She's 11 weeks old TODAY! So after I read about holding their mouths shut and saying no, within about an hour she had significantly lessened how much she was trying to bite! I'm glad I tried that it works great so far!

[honeygirl]

Yea that worked for me also. I was told by a couple of members here to do the same...hold the mouth down and say no, with just a couple of time of doing this I saw a big change. I am happy to say that today I have seen at least a 50% change in her with the biting. I never did it before because I was told plenty of times not to do it, but thanks to a couple of members saying the same I thought let me give it a go and hey it works for her. I'm glad I gave it a try.

Thanks:p

[diamondsoul]

You can also try ending the play by giving the pup a chewtoy when he bites. That sort of teaches them it's ok to chew on toys but not on people. Some dogs do get more aggressive when you muzzle them, they feel defenseless and get angry over it. You might try just putting your palm on the top of the pups muzzle and pushing it down while saying No bite or Don't bite in a loud firm voice. That worked better than grabbing the muzzle on an aggressive female I had years ago. It forces them into a submissive position and shows them you're in charge. If the pup squirms out from under your hand you can cup your palm to make that more difficult.

[Summer]

Sounds like a puppy too me! Potty training takes time, I wouldn't spend too much more on a trainer at this age. Try crate training her first, it takes time and you have to be consistant! She'll catch on!

[SouthernDixie]

While this topic has been brought up... I need some suggestions also.

We believe it is our female (11 months), but possibly our male (4 1/2 months) though we have never caught either of them in the act. Someone is peeing in the same spot on our leather sofa - and it reeks! I've sprayed odor-eater stuff on it, No-Go which works for about 4 days, washed it, and I don't know what else to do. The weird thing is it happens every morning right after I let them outside. They go out 3-4 times within an hour and a half every morning yet I never fail to find pee on the sofa. My female is just ending her heat cycle, but this was occuring before she came into season. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what may be happening here?

[SEAL]

id bet its the male if hes intact he probably saving a little for your couch. mines about the same age and fixed and when he pees it all out in his kennel during the day man can it smell foul it stinks up the whole room. Leather absorbs pee and is hard to get out unless you can take the stuffing out of your cushion to clean that.

[SouthernDixie]

id bet its the male if hes intact he probably saving a little for your couch. mines about the same age and fixed and when he pees it all out in his kennel during the day man can it smell foul it stinks up the whole room. Leather absorbs pee and is hard to get out unless you can take the stuffing out of your cushion to clean that.
Thank you. I planned on dragging the whole couch outside this Friday to clean it as much as possible. I have company comming in for the ADBA show in Kellyville, OK, this weekend and I can't have them sitting on that thing!

How would you recommend we get him to stop - it it's him lol? We still don't know! The female occasionally lays in that spot.

[SEAL]

put a rubber band around it lol. how to keep them from doing it you will have to get something that keeps them both off of the couch. shes laying on the spot and hes marking it when she gets up probably. kinda like hey your in my spot thing. figure out what keeps them off the sofa. or teach them that they can only get up there when you say ok. thats about all the advice i can give on that.

[SouthernDixie]

Well thank you. Seeing as how they are such couch potatoes at times, it will be difficult to keep them off that couch - but we'll try everything to do so!

[SEAL]

yeah our lab is a couch bum its where she hangs out during the day since shes not a big chewer. i wish i had a house so i could put up a spring pole for the muts i want one of those auto ball throwers i think id come home to find the lab paaaaaaaassssed out.

[SouthernDixie]

LOL. Inside or outside, if the dogs aren't sleeping, they are racing around and fighting over the last toy that squeaks. The springpole is definitely a good energy outlet!

[SEAL]

well the lab is at my X girlfriends place and i keep my pit at my apt. i adopted the lab for her as an x mas present its her best friend and she keeps it a lil fat cuz she doesnt take it running as much as she should. x g/fs got some issues its why shes the X g/f now after 2 and a half years. lol

[SouthernDixie]

Well I'm sorry to hear that about your ex! But sounds like the lab is having a good couch potatoe, people food eating life. Sometimes I wish I had that life lol.