Mayday Vs Jeep/Redboy [Archive]

pitbull-kid

07-04-2005, 02:29 PM

domino

07-04-2005, 02:44 PM

I myself like mayday dogs I think the reason for alot of them being stupid when shadow boxing it is there schooling some are late starters some are not and if you cross them with the right stuff u will get good results the jeep/redboy is always better it is a great cross for the mayday line just my opinion cross the jeep/redboy with some frisco or cross the mayday stuff with the frisco and you will get monsters for sure.

preme

07-23-2009, 03:29 PM

Bump Intersting Get Things Going Around Here

Big Game

07-23-2009, 04:02 PM

My vary limeted understanding of this subject is that this argument boils down to Percentages Vs Ability. The percentages of good dogs coming from Jeep/Redboy are said to be vary high but thay arnt known to throw a high percentage of extreamly rough dogs. The Mayday dogs tend to throw lower percentages of good dogs but the good ones come with a ton of ability. I know SD_Dogger runs a combonation of both. He should be able to add to this thread.Also the Mayday dogs tend to run larger than most lines and most doggers like a smaler bulldog

preme

07-23-2009, 04:04 PM

Bg Thanks Man That All I Was Looking For Start Some Dog Talk Got Alil Of Both Or Had Some Some Worked Some Didnt Looking Forward To Cross The Two..

Bxpits

07-23-2009, 04:23 PM

good post Big Game:)

cutt

07-23-2009, 04:40 PM

From what I was told, Alot of folks in the south were kinda skepticle about adding that size to their stock. For them to understand that more was to be expecyted than just the size and more , they took the chance and crossed well with that RBJ and many others that would make producers that make producers

preme

07-23-2009, 04:56 PM

From what I was told, Alot of folks in the south were kinda skepticle about adding that size to their stock. For them to understand that more was to be expecyted than just the size and more of the barnstorming type destroyer, they took the chance and crossed well with that RBJ and many others that would make producers that make producers

you talkiong about mayday dog when it comes to size..

mac 11

07-24-2009, 01:28 AM

Me I would take a well bred mayday dog over a jeep/redboy dog any day, for several reasons. 1) I have a extra respect for a catchweight dog thats game bred, IMO thats a true throw back dog. 2)I also think that is a more pure strain of blood.3) Everybody and there momma got a jeep/redboy dog in the states, I might be wrong but I think alot of mayday dogs went else where besides the states. 4) consistantcy(sp), I aint never seen a mayday dog that wasn't buck skin/red. I'm not saying there not out there but you don't see a hugh varitiy in color or size like jeep/redboy dogs.5) I like a pure family of dogs best, I would rather do the crossing (if any) to my liking. For you that caught what I said about consistantcy, I really don't care about what color a dog is, but if we are speaking about genetics than that has a thing or two to do with breeding if you know what your breeding for.

Big Game

07-24-2009, 02:14 AM

Good Points Mac. Could you explaine A Good catchwaight dog being a throwback in youre opinion in more detale please.

slim12

07-24-2009, 04:07 PM

the mayday dogs came from one of the all time great crosses. the jocko dogs were rough and doing OK, but the percentages were not high. the redboy dogs were equipped to go all night but was seldom enough left to come out again. this cross put some serious dogs on the ground. they would end up trading all night, til the next guy could not or would not trade anymore. the addition of the bolio (hollingsworth) dogs had a rough and intense dog that could find his spots with brains not braun, but used braun when needed. excellent line of dogs...
same with the jeep dogs...they were rough and good and the red boy added the intensity and the desire. another excellent line of dogs..
both lines faced the same issues. they were popular and they were winning. then the peddlers started breeding the papers and not the dogs and they both have taken hits...the jeep/redboy dogs are a little more watered down now, mostly from time and tons of breedings. the mayday dogs are not so far behind, but heading that way....
the mayday generally cost more, for no more reason than someone is willing to pay it. the jeep/redboy dogs are abundant, hell, in the south you can throw a rock and hit a redboy/jeep dog...
either line works well...most of the dogs can't read their paperwork anyway...s

mac 11

07-25-2009, 01:26 PM

Good Points Mac. Could you explaine A Good catchwaight dog being a throwback in youre opinion in more detale please.
(this is speculation do to the fact that I wasn't there) but, imo I say that cause back when the bulldogs where used in bear baiting and bull baiting they where bred a little bigger to take more punishment. They had to have some type of athletism to move in and out so they where bigger but also well proportion. Not till they outlawed the sport is when they found it easier to house and handle smaller bulldogs.

Now, this is not fact but, a theory formulated by me from articles and common sense.

Also I guess you can say with the american bullies there breeders blew them out of proportion. LOL!

Big Game

07-25-2009, 01:49 PM

So youre talking throwback like 1800's throw back. A throw wayyy back lol

Big Game

07-25-2009, 02:00 PM

Mac, You think them old large dogs may have ben built a lil sumthin like this here. You dont see to many big dogs (80 pound) dogs with correct structure. This big Guy is cold as Ice but he has corect structure for a Large bulldog.
He is scaterbred all to hell. Crazy thing is he is bred down from about 85 to 90 percent game stock with a toutch of old watchdog blood(Blue Bully) way back in the 6th and some Cheeks dogs back in the 4th gen going back. I have no Idea why he is so damn huge lol His lines are and I bullshit you not are Mccoy/Ofrn/Kingfish/Zebo/eli/Cheeks/Watchdog Lol Now thats what you call scatterd. He is the ultamite non-battle cross more of a cuddle cross lol

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii303/biggamebellestarr/PICT0046.jpg

mac 11

07-25-2009, 02:27 PM

[quote=Big Game;346481]Mac, You think them old large dogs may have ben built a lil sumthin like this here. You dont see to many big dogs (80 pound) dogs with correct structure. This big Guy is cold as Ice but he has corect structure for a Large bulldog.
He is scaterbred all to hell. Crazy thing is he is bred down from about 85 to 90 percent game stock with a toutch of old watchdog blood(Blue Bully) way back in the 6th and some Cheeks dogs back in the 4th gen going back. I have no Idea why he is so damn huge lol His lines are and I bullshit you not are Mccoy/Ofrn/Kingfish/Zebo/eli/Cheeks/Watchdog Lol Now thats what you call scatterd. He is the ultamite non-battle cross more of a cuddle cross lol

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Yeah! Now take that bulldog and add some Texas pete or some louisana hot sauce and you got your self a catch dog. Look at dogs like Colby's pinscher (sp) 72lbs or zeke's big jake 75lbs hell even Maday(not sure of wt.) but those dogs where or are producers and not to shaby themselves. That heavy wt trait is something that pops up sometimes just like the blue trait when not bred for. Look at Wildsides Isis, she was the dam of a couple of good dogs and her self was white and blue and she was straight from game bred stock and that gene popped up. Now I would never breed for any of the above traits but if they popped up I would take the good with the bad and hope the good out weighed the bad.

preme

07-25-2009, 03:58 PM

so yo guys think the madday stuff has alil more mouth then the jeep/redboy dogs i know both has they share of crusher but wats the concensus

Adivina

07-25-2009, 04:00 PM

What’s good and bad about Mayday line, (is it because recently most mayday lines are inbreed, so majority of offspring are not very smart? )

Inbreeding and line breeding are actually greatly misunderstood. When done carefully with phenomenal dogs inbreeding and line breeding tightens up and accentuates their positive traits - making a dog that shows the best the line has to offer.

Where problems come in with this is when people breed dogs with no so great traits - line breeding and inbreeding can also bring those traits out. So you have to carefully choose a good solid dog, always be watching to see if it starts swinging towards accenting the negative traits of the line, and breed carefully and selectively. Inbreeding and line breeding can actually produce amazing dogs if a smart person is doing it.

Caos

07-25-2009, 08:09 PM

In the past pole, most people think the Mayday line is not as good as Jeep/Redboy. Why is that? I thought Mayday was a phenomenon dog, and I have seen some of Mayday offspring were amazing. Please drop in your opinion :)

What’s good and bad about Mayday line, (is it because recently most mayday lines are inbreed, so majority of offspring are not very smart? )

I live in South America and here you find lots of Mayday dogs in my experience I saw some good and some bad..saw Ch.Luiguie(Mayday x Xuxa)a good dog,,saw Ch.Happy(my favorite Mayday dog) I can tell that I saw lots not too smart and with zero mouth 5yrs ago I have a yard full of them and I can tell you that the best I feed came from a Mayday/Jeep/Redboy cross.

RonJeremy

07-26-2009, 12:28 AM

i enjoy celery and carrots!

Buck E. Owens

07-27-2009, 12:23 PM

Any body have mayday / redboy stuff?
and who do you consider the best Jeep dogs?

Caos

07-27-2009, 12:44 PM

Any body have mayday / redboy stuff?
and who do you consider the best Jeep dogs?

I have two females of Mayday/Tab cross but los both I just have that now. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=257066

preme

07-27-2009, 12:49 PM

HERES ARE LIL MAYDAY

DOGUM'S LIL WEEZY (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=322557)

Buck E. Owens

07-27-2009, 04:01 PM

HERES ARE LIL MAYDAY

DOGUM'S LIL WEEZY (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=322557)

he has some great dogs in his ped!!!!:)
he's your dog?

Buck E. Owens

07-27-2009, 04:03 PM

I have two females of Mayday/Tab cross but los both I just have that now. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=257066

hows that one workin out for you?

Caos

07-27-2009, 05:46 PM

hows that one workin out for you?
they are young prospects but acting realy good time will tell.

Buck E. Owens

07-27-2009, 06:23 PM

they are young prospects but acting realy good time will tell.

Keep me posted!;)

Caos

07-27-2009, 06:45 PM

Keep me posted!;)

okay don't worry I will.

Marty

07-27-2009, 06:48 PM

okay don't worry the Dam was a bad ass bitch super proven but I lost her the Sire los a game match and he will go again soon.In chess I hope :rolleyes:

Caos

07-27-2009, 06:57 PM

In chess I hope :rolleyes:

Yeah Marty:D:D

rallyracer

07-27-2009, 06:59 PM

okay don't worry the Dam was a bad ass bitch super proven but I lost her the Sire los a game match and he will go again soon.

easy now- as has been stated several times over the past few weeks-some members are putting WAY to much info out there. and these members DO live in countries where dogfighting today is infact illegal.
this site is based in the usa, and only real ~historical~ information should be shared.
people seem to forget that there are many many eyes out there scouring all these bulldog boards
thank you for your cooperation

Marty

07-27-2009, 07:02 PM

Anyone remember this thread?

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26994&highlight=Game-dog.com

real_one

07-27-2009, 07:36 PM

Any body have mayday / redboy stuff?
and who do you consider the best Jeep dogs?

I am partial to stock down from Crenshaw's ch Gator, and st benidict's Bailey. I also have some mayday crosses.

preme

07-27-2009, 08:04 PM

he has some great dogs in his ped!!!!:)
he's your dog?

kennel partners so his ares same click

Buck E. Owens

07-27-2009, 08:13 PM

kennel partners so his ares same click

Very nice brother!;)

preme

07-27-2009, 08:34 PM

yeah bro thanks buck his coming along okay very small and wormy when we got him but his been get stronger and stronger ...

Buck E. Owens

07-27-2009, 10:30 PM

He just needed a little TLC, and you gave it to him! Good for you man! you believe in him and he will treat you well.;)

i read a story about this dog bopught off gypsys and its poor care that it lived threw eating garbage fish and poor water, and they turned this dog into a machine once they revived it, i will try to find it again it was a great read
;)

Buck E. Owens

07-27-2009, 11:41 PM

wrong spot!

Mayday81

11-09-2009, 08:20 AM

Old thread, gonna do a lil replying lol.... ok jeep redboy as we know is a line based off of two of the most influential apbt's known, mayday was based off of one and many of his great sons and daughters, both lines good but they have their qwuirks, ive noticed that some j/rb lines just didnt have the will but also that some maydays didnt have the ability, we can sit here all day and say the good and or bad about any line but in the end we all know that every line of dogs has positives and negatives, it just comes down to what individual people have seen for themselves and like to see, just cuz i may have seen a good mayday here dont mean that they all are better than j/rb or vice versa, but point blank to summarize the main traits that seem to be produced in maydays are a game animal with one thing on its mind, every now n then u'll get a more dimmensional animal and with the jeep redboy you usually get a rough mutt to say the least. both good lines both should be respected......p.s i like mayday myself lol great cross of 3 lines....

Dream Pits

11-09-2009, 09:31 AM

redboy/jocko/jeep vs redboy/jocko/mayday

Red Devil

11-09-2009, 12:29 PM

mr.futuristic

11-09-2009, 12:50 PM

I used both and I'd take a Mayday bred dog over a Jeep/Redboy bred dog any day! Since both are Redboy crosses, I'm saying the Redboy/Jocko/Patrick cross is better than Jeep/Redboy crosses IMO. Now, some of the Jeep/Redboy crosses have a nice chunk of Rascal blood in them. This is a big improvement to the Jeep/Redboy cross. It makes for a more well rounded dog IMO!
i agree given that MOST jeep/rascal/redboy dogs lack mouth they can be over looked. when you cross the patrick dogs in you get more of a bulldog too work with just had that discussion with the someone. i dont care for heavy mayday dogs because of the size and you can find bolio/redboy/jocko dogs bred just as good without mayday if you look. Wouldnt take anything from nither lines just would rather have a dog that can stay there for the long haul. A mayday dog in a great keep would be nice but if it loss mouth through out the keep i loss faith because its gonna take conditioning too keep going and i never seen a mayday dog that didnt work itself too hard in the earlier rounds they start runing hotter than a goats ass in a chilli patch. thats where i would go with the jeep cross if the mayday dont bring it home in the first 20 30 then ima start looking at his condition if still has his mouth and is not ruining hot than hats of to the person that put him in keep other than that its each his own

Dream Pits

11-09-2009, 01:10 PM

ok Red Devil and Mr.Futuristic if you had to pick one rb cross what would it be and why do you choose that one?

mr.futuristic

11-09-2009, 01:37 PM

ok Red Devil and Mr.Futuristic if you had to pick one rb cross what would it be and why do you choose that one?
You will just have too try some stuff you might have good luck with stuff someone here tells you sucks just do you homework like you have been but find out how the dogs your looking at parents perform there bro's and sis there offspring like get on the phone and ask them questions about production untill they are blue in the face than go with the higher % dogs you have too start somewhere and trust they all arent going to work out if you do it rite. Your on the rite path as far as the overall stock just dont get your hopes up and dont be kennel blind try diff stuff and you will have a better chance imo.

Red Devil

11-09-2009, 01:53 PM

Redboy seems to cross well with just about every line. I not saying the Jeep/Redboy dogs weren't any good. Obviously they are because it has become a very popular working cross. I just said I like the Mayday dogs a bit better. The 3 way cross of Redboy/Jocko/Patrick makes for some top flight dogs. Jeep/Redboy/Rascal and Jeep/Redboy/Jocko are very nice too! Myself, I like 3 and 4 way crosses. I am convinced that Redboy crosses in many forms are the best out there. The Redboy/Red Devil and Redboy/Turtlebuster cross is very nice too. I'd like to see more of that being done today. JMO!

Dream Pits

11-09-2009, 02:06 PM

thanks guys

WAR_PAINT

11-09-2009, 02:30 PM

Personally I really like the RBJ / Bolio cross. I'm about to see what this cross does when taken to a pure Sorrells male.

mr.futuristic

11-09-2009, 02:59 PM

[QUOTE=Red Devil;376741]Myself, I like 3 and 4 way crosses. I am convinced that Redboy crosses in many forms are the best out there.QUOTE]
i agree with that i like jeep/redboy/frisco/eli nice all around dogs :cool:

Ram-Yar

11-09-2009, 03:39 PM

just got a redboy skull/jeep crenshaw mix from 319 first dog wit pappers is it a good start and i have a female no pappers i realy feel she is tru blood how would i start a bloodline wit her to get it certified

mr.futuristic

11-09-2009, 03:46 PM

if she is a bulldog throw everything at her but the kitchen sink an try an make her quit if she keep comin back do what you want with her on your yard. if you know the people she came from find out if her sire an dam are papered then you can gert paper on her but if not it is what it is street dog

All about Pits

11-15-2009, 07:00 AM

Inter-tel

11-16-2009, 06:21 PM

I love Mayday Dogs I've been owning Maday dogs for my life time my girl Cassie os a Maday Granddaughter my girl that passed away she was directly off maday I think Maday Dogs are quite phenominal dogs and do alot not your average dog for a begginner but their one hell of a dog in a small packageso yes I side with mayday but all because I love them don't necessiarly mean I'll always side with them
what are you talkin about? Most the mayday dogs ive seen werent a 'small package'. Shit most the yellow crosses ive had were on the big side.

Take a deep breath. One step forward two steps back is no way to go through life.

Searcy Jeff

11-16-2009, 06:30 PM

what are you talkin about? Most the mayday dogs ive seen werent a 'small package'. Shit most the yellow crosses ive had were on the big side.

Take a deep breath. One step forward two steps back is no way to go through life.
My thoughts exactly...those dogs run on the bigger side...

mr.futuristic

11-16-2009, 06:38 PM

mayday himself was a tank

Inter-tel

11-16-2009, 06:43 PM

mayday himself was a tank

No doubt.

Lot of shop talk on the BB of late about bumper bearings and blinker fluid.....:rolleyes:

-NO TALKIN SHOP ABOUT SHIT YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT KIDS, IF YOU DONT KNOW JUST SAY SO. NO HARM. BE A MAN ABOUT IT!-

mr.futuristic

11-16-2009, 06:48 PM

No doubt.

Lot of shop talk on the BB of late about bumper bearings and blinker fluid.....:rolleyes:

-NO TALKIN SHOP ABOUT SHIT YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT KIDS, IF YOU DONT KNOW JUST SAY SO. NO HARM. BE A MAN ABOUT IT!-
words of wisdom

PurePit19

11-17-2009, 12:46 AM

All about Pits

11-17-2009, 05:49 AM

........Oh well shes pretty small for her type I do know that mayday dogs run large I've seena couple but yes she is quite small for her age

Inter-tel

11-17-2009, 09:55 AM

I dont feel that mayday dogs or lacking anything particular. I feel that whats happening with this line is the same crap that happens to popular lines. Mayday dogs crank up early, but that doesnt mean the dog can handle serious stress. Most of the mayday dogs that i have seen were brought out at a young age, people love early starters and it makes inexperienced dogman do weird things. When i see a heavy mayday dog lose is isnt because they're getting whipped, its usually because they are not mentally ready and have been started way to early. JMO

Sign of the times. America isnt what it used to be, todays society is all about instant gratification. Lost on acouple generations is how it was pre-WWW days, society as a whole moved at a snails pace.
Now every things FASTLANE,HIGH SPEED,ON FIRE,EARLY STARTER, blah,blah,blah.

What ever happened to 'patience is a virtue'? Didnt anyone of the X-Y-Z
generations take any of them oldtimers sayins to heart?

madboy

11-17-2009, 11:34 AM

Sign of the times. America isnt what it used to be, todays society is all about instant gratification. Lost on acouple generations is how it was pre-WWW days, society as a whole moved at a snails pace.
Now every things FASTLANE,HIGH SPEED,ON FIRE,EARLY STARTER, blah,blah,blah.

What ever happened to 'patience is a virtue'? Didnt anyone of the X-Y-Z
generations take any of them oldtimers sayins to heart?

m8 you took that straight outa my mouth!!!
:eek::eek::eek:;)

FrankDublin

11-17-2009, 11:54 AM

I never undertood the fastlane bulldog anyway its like they breed for mouth only
which is ok until you come across a Hogg with average bite high ability and deep gameness that knows how to stay out of trouble

then we will see how your fastlane bulldog works in the long haul

mr.futuristic

11-17-2009, 01:00 PM

fast lane has nothing to do with a dog itself. i understand what your saying but there are dogs with average mouth racing into fast lane comp. its more about the high end high dollar doggers not local races. thats what makes people want to bring in the hard mouth finisher because there is way more at stake in the fast lane. yet you still need a straight up bulldog to compete well in any level of comp imo.

Mayday81

11-18-2009, 12:23 AM

well put purepit19, and i also agree with you mr futuristic on that last word. anyone can ruin any dog by hunting with him and screwing around to early, and the fastlane does seem to perfer a destroyer over an olden times all day bulldog, but in today's world you cant play with people and their money, never hurts to do a little mixing with mouth and game you'll always strike gold mixing eventually lol