Deletion - Dogs for Sale / Stud Dogs

[B]

On behalf of the entire game-dog.com staff I would like to notify everyone that the Dogs for Sale and Stud Dogs forums have been deleted. In our opinion these boards are not helping the breed out and many times they were being abused my peddlers and people unfit to be breeding bulldogs. By no means do we expect to halt all destructive breedings and practices but we are going to do our best to alleviate this problem rather than add to it. If you have any comments or criticisms of the staff's decision we welcome the feedback. Please remember to keep your cool and post in a constructive manner. We are not doing this to hamper the breeds success. We are doing this to do our part and prevent these dogs from ending up in irresponsible owners homes. We would like to request everyone's support in this decision. Feedback is welcome...

Regards,

B and the rest of the game-dog.com staff

[Crash97]

On behalf of the entire game-dog.com staff I would like to notify everyone that the Dogs for Sale and Stud Dogs forums have been deleted........B and the rest of the game-dog.com staff?? Damn, first I've heard of this idea.....Was this discussed amongst staff?

[Bubba]

Nope...in my opinion, it should not have been erased, but moderated severely. Of course, the staffs opinion doesn't seem to matter much lately.

BB

[circlekpits]

Nope...in my opinion, it should not have been erased, but moderated severely.
BB
I haven't seen anything topic on this deletion then wham it happens. Don't understand why? I agree with Bubba it should be heavily moderated or have some kind of a limit on when or how many you can post.

[crossfire]

i am not big on the idea yall already had to approve the post before it could be seen so yall could read through the bs and only put in the ones from people that are serious from the breed.

[SWAMPER]

lol i dont think it will make much diffrence but as ckk said they were already watched b4 they would get posted but heres a site with a for sale section for those who want it

[Shon]

With the amount of staff that we have who can allow them to be posted, half of the ones that didn't need to be posted were being approved anyway, so it kind of defeated the whole purpose of moderating the threads.

[crossfire]

so its like the moderators did their job half ass aprroving what shouldnt have been so we all suffer now?

[Shon]

Suffer from what exactly? It really has little to do with the moderators, I was just posting from that point of view. There are too many questions, with no answers, to leave it up to anybody whether or not they should be approved.

[SLICK WILLIE]

I have posted on the for sale forum but it did not bring much outcome. If you want to sell dogs post in the paper or trading post in your area or the gazette! I think this was to be an educational site but turned into a brag,bash,rag and talk about someone site. I think if you are a paying member and or staff we should be notified of changes well before they happen. Seems that maybe someone has greener money than the rest of us. Just my 2 cents!

[Camo]

Man, I have only sold one litter of pups in the last 18 years. I have now 10 dogs and one of them is pregnant. These pupps are for my personal program, I will keep what I think will be good for my new hog program and hopefully won't have to cully many. The point is, we all have our opinions as to what should be bred and what should not. Should we stop policing ourselves we come up with the problem we currently have in the USA today. We have undesireables causing reproach against the breed we love, puppy mills galore! I'm so impressed with this responsible descision of trying to police what is happening to the breed on this forum it makes me want to join.

[Shon]

I have posted on the for sale forum but it did not bring much outcome. If you want to sell dogs post in the paper or trading post in your area or the gazette!I don't know if I would recommend the paper or trading post, but I guess whatever works.I think this was to be an educational site but turned into a brag,bash,rag and talk about someone site.You're exactly right ;)I think if you are a paying member and or staff we should be notified of changes well before they happen.It all depends on the nature of the "changes" there are too many people here who sell dogs to notify them of it "well before" it happens, it would turn into peddling city real quick just to try to squeeze in a few extra bucks before it happens.Seems that maybe someone has greener money than the rest of us.I'm not sure what you mean by that?

[Shon]

I'm so impressed with this responsible descision of trying to police what is happening to the breed on this forum it makes me want to join.Lol, well stick around... there will be many more to come ;)

[SLICK WILLIE]

I'm not sure what you mean by that?[/QUOTE]Some people have more pull on this site than others! Not me! and the ones of us that pay to be here expect some info before changes are made! Maybe I'm wrong for saying that!

[SLICK WILLIE]

Camo, you a Marine?

[SWAMPER]

I Could Personally Care Less I Farm 99% Of Mine Anyway ..................

[Shon]

Some people have more pull on this site than others! Not me! and the ones of us that pay to be here expect some info before changes are made! Maybe I'm wrong for saying that!No, you're not wrong for saying that, but it was never mentioned that selling dogs would be a part of premium membership. You said that you have posted a "few" for sell and never really had a good outcome, so I'm not sure why you are taking this so hard.

[14rock]

Whatever steps Shon feels necessary in making this a better site I feel he is intitled to....being the webmaster and all. You've made a great site so I will put my faith in that you know what needs to be done to make it better. Personally, I dont have many strong opinions either way over the removal of those sections. There are plenty of other places were you can sell a dog on the net if thats what you choose to do. The more high-end dogs for stud (ch.'s, winners, in hog catching or weightpull) should not be placed where there are watching eyes like this site. Doing so will only bring trouble upon you. Oh well, do what you wish just remember the internet and open selling, studding, and talking, is what will be the demise of this great breed.

[tricks]

Well...
In my opinion,it had be great if the "the Dogs for Sale and Stud Dogs forums" could be on the board.But I do really understand why it's put down.People did use it for peddling and other not serious things.I do really think it has been some nice dogs there,but,how many ? 1 of 300 ?
I cant see any good reason to have it open (even if I want too) and i really dont think it have supported the breed.
Almost every day You could read something like "hey i must sale my dog because it doesnt work out whit my other dogs",what people are buying APBT ? Thinking that the dogs are gonna play like all other dogs,doesnt sound so good for me.
I think this is a really nice board,but it would'nt be to late to clean up here,it's pretty much morons here,thinking that "rednose" are a bloodline,buying a 100 lbs blue dog and think it's a gamedog etc etc etc
Well,that's just my opinion,i hope I did'nt hurt anyone with my words ;-)

Best regards!

//T

[CB]

I kinda liked the for sale section if i controled the board i would make where you would have to have like 100 post before you can go into the for sale section it would keep some if not alot of people like peddlers posting there dogs.

[miakoda]

The problem with the "100 post" theory is that there are enough b.s.ers out there to run up that number. Unfortunately, even 1 or 2 of the "known" posters seem to be offering more pups in a few months period than others offer in a few years. It's a very tricky business to not "put anyone out" & not ruffle feathers. I think for the time being, that not having the for sale page is the way to go.

[Rockstar]

Mia's right. It's important to discourage breeding by those who don't know what they're doing, and to discourage peddlers altogether; but to try to determine who's who and what intentions are more favorable can turn into a mess very quickly, being that such a determination would be strictly based on opinion. Anybody could make a hundred meaningless posts in just a few days, so that concept would do little to deter those who are just trying to make a buck.

If you have an idea you think may work, feel free to share it. We're certainly open to suggestions.

[The Watcher]

If ya want to advertise Studs/Pups build a SITE!!!!
JFO-

[TabDogs]

I think taking down the dogs for sale will help in the long run. helps weed out the people who are here to sell dogs and people who are here to educate, learn, etc...Im for not having the dogs for sale section. Im sure people are going to be a little pissy about it...But i guess that is an indicator of whos here for what..ya know..

[GAPITS]

I believe there are many a site they can go to to post dogs for sale if they want to, they do not need to flood our site with these. This site was built for learning and information, not peddling. There is no need for it here. This has been an issue, most that start with one for sale post seem to add many more before they are done. This should be a site anyone can come to to get information on this breed, not be a glorified thrifty nickle.

[SWAMPER]

No Doubt..................

[portcitypoochpatch]

I have to ask...Who has the right to say who is a responsible owner?..."Everyone" breeds these dogs. "Everyone" should have the right to sell or stud their dog if they want, and advertize. Sounds like the board "officials" are wanting to control the lives of the owners of the dogs, like the government is trying to say who should own a gun or not...this is a total finger pointing game here, and pure "Discrimination" to the breeder...period.
I have noticed finger pointing and discrimination for a while on this board now, not to mention racism, ...and this "tops" it off. You "official" have gone in and deleted and unallowed posts so much, alot of owners I know can see the writing on the wall.

Breeding and selling is as much a part of this game as showing, petting and anything else that is "legal" and "humane' in the eyes of the Beholder..

I feel you board "officials' are making a mistake, a big mistake, and you are the ones that are going to have to deal with it. Lots of folks contribute here, in one manner or another...eliminating the "studs" and "for sale" page is signing your own end contract...folks will pull out...you watch...and there is "lots" of great breeders that read and post excellent information here, and offer "excellent" bred buldogs too..

Your killing you own breed...game-dog...
this is suppose to be an "open" forum..."open"...you just "shut" the door for "MANY."

Ronnie Squires
(pooch Patch @ Saraland)

On behalf of the entire game-dog.com staff I would like to notify everyone that the Dogs for Sale and Stud Dogs forums have been deleted. In our opinion these boards are not helping the breed out and many times they were being abused my peddlers and people unfit to be breeding bulldogs. By no means do we expect to halt all destructive breedings and practices but we are going to do our best to alleviate this problem rather than add to it. If you have any comments or criticisms of the staff's decision we welcome the feedback. Please remember to keep your cool and post in a constructive manner. We are not doing this to hamper the breeds success. We are doing this to do our part and prevent these dogs from ending up in irresponsible owners homes. We would like to request everyone's support in this decision. Feedback is welcome...
Regards,
B and the rest of the game-dog.com staff

[SouthALknls]

I have to ask...Who has the right to say who is a responsible owner?..."Everyone" breeds these dogs. "Everyone" should have the right to sell or stud their dog if they want, and advertize. Sounds like the board "officials" are wanting to control the lives of the owners of the dogs, like the government is trying to say who should own a gun or not...this is a total finger pointing game here, and pure "Discrimination" to the breeder...period.
I have noticed finger pointing and discrimination for a while on this board now, not to mention racism, ...and this "tops" it off. You "official" have gone in and deleted and unallowed posts so much, alot of owners I know can see the writing on the wall.
Breeding and selling is as much a part of this game as showing, petting and anything else that is "legal" and "humane' in the eyes of the Beholder..
I feel you board "officials' are making a mistake, a big mistake, and you are the ones that are going to have to deal with it. Lots of folks contribute here, in one manner or another...eliminating the "studs" and "for sale" page is signing your own end contract...folks will pull out...you watch...and there is "lots" of great breeders that read and post excellent information here, and offer "excellent" bred buldogs too..
Your killing you own breed...game-dog...
this is suppose to be an "open" forum..."open"...you just "shut" the door for "MANY."
Ronnie Squires
(pooch Patch @ Saraland)


I agree 100%...

[B]

We haven't removed anyone's rights. We have strictly stopped accomodating peddlers and those that shouldn't be breeding dogs in the first place. You're welcome to continue dropping all sorts of litters at once. With 6 litters dropped or dropping and more "coming soon", I find it hard to believe that you aren't part of the problem. Hell, you even accept major credit cards... sure seems like this is a business affair and not a betterment of the dogs. But hey, we'll even listen to peddlers complain about the decision but we won't just sit here and idley watch as dogs are traded like free market on a board designed to educate and help the breed. We aren't helping anything by allowing dogs to be sold to any Tom, Dick, and Harry with an internet connection. If you don't like that, you are probably part of the problem anyway and should go elsewhere to peddle your dogs. Have a great day and good luck with your dogs sales :rolleyes:

B

[SouthALknls]

We haven't removed anyone's rights. We have strictly stopped accomodating peddlers and those that shouldn't be breeding dogs in the first place. You're welcome to continue dropping all sorts of litters at once. With 6 litters dropped or dropping and more "coming soon", I find it hard to believe that you aren't part of the problem. Hell, you even accept major credit cards... sure seems like this is a business affair and not a betterment of the dogs. But hey, we'll even listen to peddlers complain about the decision but we won't just sit here and idley watch as dogs are traded like free market on a board designed to educate and help the breed. We aren't helping anything by allowing dogs to be sold to any Tom, Dick, and Harry with an internet connection. If you don't like that, you are probably part of the problem anyway and should go elsewhere to peddle your dogs. Have a great day and good luck with your dogs sales :rolleyes:
B

Before you start talking about peddling..saying I accept major credit cards..Yea there is a lot of people that do that through paypal..I have never had a litter of pups on the ground..I bred one bitch and she was 2..she didn't take ...I just made a breeding and selling two to cover feed cost...so if that makes me a peddler, whatever, but I don't have to explain anything to you...I do what I want too and you do what you want too..but don't call people a peddler that u know nothing about.

[idgie]

Sounds like the board "officials" are wanting to control the lives of the owners of the dogs, like the government is trying to say who should own a gun or not...this is a total finger pointing game here, and pure "Discrimination" to the breeder...period.
I have noticed finger pointing and discrimination for a while on this board now, not to mention racism, ...and this "tops" it off. You "official" have gone in and deleted and unallowed posts so much, alot of owners I know can see the writing on the wall.
Ronnie, racism and discrimination are not being tolerated by the administrators of game-dog, and some members have received warnings and been banned because of it (which was also unpopular at the time). If you see anything that makes you uncomfortable, you should check with a moderator because it may have already been dealt with. Some of these issues have also led Shon and others to reconsider the direction of the site and try to improve it. No-one is getting any special treatment - it's all about who is contributing to the site and trying to help the breed. Hope people can understand that and try and learn from each other instead of contributing to the problems.

[portcitypoochpatch]

Contribute to the problem????...Explain to me and twenty or thirty other breeders on here.."How are breeders and studders contributing to the problem?" If the TRUTH be told...we all know where lots of the problems stem from...and it ain't just the breeders by friend..

Ronnie, racism and discrimination are not being tolerated by the administrators of game-dog, and some members have received warnings and been banned because of it (which was also unpopular at the time). If you see anything that makes you uncomfortable, you should check with a moderator because it may have already been dealt with. Some of these issues have also led Shon and others to reconsider the direction of the site and try to improve it. No-one is getting any special treatment - it's all about who is contributing to the site and trying to help the breed. Hope people can understand that and try and learn from each other instead of contributing to the problems.

[Shon]

Contribute to the problem????...Explain to me and twenty or thirty other breeders on here.."How are breeders and studders contributing to the problem?"Nobody said that breeders are the problem. It's the breeders who sale dogs to just anybody off the street and are putting this breed in the hands of irresponsible dog owners (much less the responsibility to own this breed).If the TRUTH be told...we all know where lots of the problems stem from...and it ain't just the breeders by friend..What exactly is this so-called "TRUTH" you speak of? If the dogs were never allowed to be put in the hands of the people who are ruining this breed, there would not be any problem today.

[Camo]

Man I've gone thru all the BS trying to join this forum. Going thru the pay pal junk is bad enough, but now all this fighting. I really like it here but man this gets annoying. Good info on here but all the fighting reminds me of our family reunions....lol.

[buddylee04]

there is even no reason to try and prove a point pooch all these people want to do is be in control of something so you might as well just stop trying to prove a point also southalknls no matter how much u reason and try to prove a point they will still feel like they are in control of something so no matter what you say things will still be the same

[idgie]

I'm definitely not saying that breeding is bad - we wouldn't be able to have these dogs otherwise! But I think most good breeders agree that there are more dogs than there are knowledgeable and responsible owners. This is nothing personal - it just isn't possible to figure out online who has the best interests of the breed at heart here and who is just in it for the $$. So to me it seems like the blanket policy of no ads on the site is the most egalitarian solution.

[Whiskey Bay]

Mia and Idgie,do I even want to get started on this post?Or should I be nice?

[buddylee04]

Whiskey Speak Your Mind Dont Bite Your Tongue

[idgie]

please join in Whiskey Bay - help a sista out!

[portcitypoochpatch]

DITTO............
there is even no reason to try and prove a point pooch all these people want to do is be in control of something so you might as well just stop trying to prove a point also southalknls no matter how much u reason and try to prove a point they will still feel like they are in control of something so no matter what you say things will still be the same

[Shon]

Thanks to everyone who commented for their feedback :)

[Marty]

Bump.........