Why can't we just tell the damn truth??!!

[miakoda]

First..........

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Quote:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=quote>Just bred my female rebel(eddington, jeep, gator lines) to Hitler (son of grand ch. budweiser crusher. pups will be due mid march. Both parents are extremely athletic, naturally muscled, smart, and love other dogs and people. Rebel is a razored down 75 Lbs @ 20 in tall, head-23in Hitler is a well conditioned 115 LBs @21 in tall, head-28 1/2


These pups are going to be pretty big. Now before all of you people go downing the size on my pits, they just happen to big bigger, i also have the 40 lb game pits and i love them all just as much as the other. First time rebel was let out on a hog, she got a 80 lb in under 10 min. now i know that's not the greatest, but hey i didn't even train her to do that. Pups will make great hog dog, weight pull or family pets. NO DOGS WILL BE USED OR SOLD FOR ILLEGAL PURPOSES. contract to be signed upon purchase. Pics of parents coming soon. Let me know if your interested. Serious inquires with pitbull experience only




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this was not a planned breeding...i went to florida and had someone watch my girl...he has hitler and she happened to come in during the month i was away and the guy who was watching obviously wasn't watching well. And again.......
accidental bredding like i've said a million times dumb ass. i'm not trying to sell them either. so learn to read. And yet........
Okay since i'm not a breeder and know nothing about breeding, and never plan to breed i have to ask this question. And huh?.......
i have a lot of people who want to breed their frisco studs to her since she's heavy heavy Frisco! but i'll most likely get her fixed. i never said this one, i said a rescue i got we fixed...this one is not fixed and will not be.

[miakoda]

And yet somone else noticed all the discrepencies of this person who is obviously not qualified to breed but does anyway & loves selling puppies...........

http://www.pitbullforum.com/images/smiles/scratchhead.gif YOU see... It's appears you are the one <TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Quote:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=quote>so get your stuff right before you talk crap</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>that should be listening to your own advice.. See these are just some of your posts?? I believe it's understandable where the confusion lies...

Your intro:
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Quote:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=quote>Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:38 pm Post subject: Hello everyone



Hello my name is sara, i'm new to the forum, i have 2 dogs and one rescue girl who i think might be pregnant but i will ask a few questions about that on another post, one female named dixie whos 3 years old, she is 45 lbs and loves to play on the springpole, and one male named duke who's 4. He is 52 lbs and also loves the springpole and has a fetish of jumping up on round hay barrells, and climbing trees to catch squirrlls, although he hasn't caught any yet. i try to keep him off so he don't hurt himself. Both of them are registered. the female pitbull i just rescued i think might be pregnant, but shes about 50 lbs and a red fawn w/white chest. i am going to post another thread about her pregnancy, please help. thanks and i hope to learn a lot. i am not a breeder, both of my dogs are fixed, i just love the breed. thanks sara

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That was just in February?? But your female is health tested? excels weight pull champion / hog dog (yada yada) ...

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Quote:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=quote>Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: Looking for weight pull harnesses for training???



Hello, I am looking for weight pull harnesses for training..Not competition..Nothing fancy, color doesn't matter, hopefully not too expensive..used is OK? does anyone have any up for sale? or know of any?

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Shouldn't you KNOW this?? The dog you bred participates already in this sport?
Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: Got a Rescue dog...How to make dogs coat shiny???

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Quote:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=quote>I'm new here and i have two fixed pitbulls and I just got one who we think is pregnant but we'll find out wed...anyways, what are some suggestions, tips, tricks on getting a dogs coat very shiny and glossy? i've heard all kinds of things, i just wanted to see what some other people use...i feed Nutro High Energy to my dogs and mix a little bit of corn oil w/it, my two dogs coats are pretty nice, but the rescue isn't, i know it will take time...but what is the best way to bring out shine/gloss?? what kind of shampoo's, conditioners, food, supplements, brushing, etc...anything will help...thanks everyone. sara</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

SO again?? Which one did YOU breed??

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Quote:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=quote>Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject: When will a pregnant female pit show?



When will a pregnant female pitbull show being pregnant? I mean getting fat and looking like she's got pups? How long for a big litter and how long for a smaller litter? Oh and this is not my rescue, we got her spayed last week and she is doing very well now, i am going to wait a little while before she will go to her new home with my mom, i want to make sure she is good to go, my mom has experience w/pits and they recently lost their old boy due to old age, he lived a good life though! but anyways I am getting a rednose puppy for show and of course to add to the bed w/us...LOL! they arn't born yet, and i just wondered when the momma will start to show, it's a kennel near us that shows in conformaion and weight pull. this is the only litter they're having this year and i get pick...i'm so excited._________________

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???? http://www.pitbullforum.com/images/smiles/scratchhead.gif

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Quote:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=quote>okay today i was looking at pedigrees online from apbt pedigrees.com. these. does this mean that all the dogs on here are apbt registerd? is there even such thing as a apbt registerd dog? or does it mean adba or ukc or akc? i'm confused. are all the registration numbers the same w/adba, ukc, akc, apbt (not sure if its real?) oh boy am i confused. help me out. i'm not familar with registration work</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Quote:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=quote>Okay since i'm not a breeder and know nothing about breeding, and never plan to breed i have to ask this question. My grandmother shows and breeds american cocker spaniels, a yucky breed in my opinion, but hey what ever floats her boat right? anyways, she just had a litter born a week ago and i was playing with the momma and noticed she really did not have much milk at all, in fact, i couldn't even squeeze any out. is this normal? do the pups have a certain way of getting milk out by suckling and pushing w/their feet or does this momma just lack milk? all the moms i've seen had milk squirt out if you just touched it? i don't know. what do you think? i didn't say anything to my grama because the pups looked fat and she was busy and i had to leave. if the momma isn't producing milk why wouldn't she? and how do you get her to produce more? i'm always learning something new. oh and i forgot to let everyone know that the rescue gal who was pregnant was successfully spayed and is gaining weight and sleeping on my floor right now.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[chainsoff]

I was noticing all this also, MIA, after reading this thread.http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5707tight frisco/bolio RIGHT!! Why can't folks tell the truth? If you have poorly bred dogs, don't be ashamed, learn from you mistake. Spay/neuter keep em as pets. Just don't lie to everyone just so you can fit in. It all comes out, like it has now, and just think about how the lying and covering for your dogs makes you look.

[devinben3]

This arguing crap needs to stop......

[devinben3]

I don't care how big the dogs are or how they're bred, as long as they're GAME...i've seen people come on here w/conformation show dogs..and then their dogs turn into game dogs...yeah right...

[JC-Pitbulls]

Qoute: but no offense the dog in your avatar is overweight and huge and can in no way be a game dog


Dont you have 75 lb dog, that was bred to a 115 lb dog? Just wandering what you consider overweight.

[devinben3]

I've got a bigger female, now spayed and staying at a great home w/my best friend!!

[devinben3]

I do not believe that mia is only 45 lbs..at 5 months old that pic w/her brother and the guy holding them, she looks 40 lbs or more..

[devinben3]

I do like shaker though, he is a very nice looking dog!

[chainsoff]

Miakoda has always had a problem with me, even before i even posted anything..not sure why, maybe it's because she doesn't have anything that greta in her yard...although she does know a lot...but no offense the dog in your avatar is overweight and huge and can in no way be a game dog. Hmmm, so a big dog can't be a gamedog? Time for you to do some studdying, pal. I do belive Mayday was a 65 lb dog, as well as Ch Thug. Ch Firecracker is as well a big dog, weighing 55 or so. I'm sure any onf the mentioned dogs would , as you put it, "get the job done", far better than the ones you're trying oh so hard to defend.

[HCK]

yea, but a 115 lb? How do you explain that?yes but i admit that that is big and i don't call them game dogs!! my female was 75 lbs overweight but is now down to about 65, which i know is still huge, but shes fixed now. plus it all depends on how tall your dog is....your dog can be short and fat ans only weight 55 and still be overweight..or you can have a taller dog w/lean heavy muscles and weight 65 lbs and not be overweight..it depends on the build and muscle weighs more than fat.

[jankab]

I don't see it as Mia having a problem with you... it just seems sketchy that your story is all over the place...

[chainsoff]

I don't see it as Mia having a problem with you... it just seems sketchy that your story is all over the place...They have to change stories up, so they can be"cool", and have gamedogs too! LOL

[devinben3]

NO actually i don't fight my dogs..and i didn't say 65 lbs was big, it all depends on the build of the dog..mayday was built nice..he wasn't short and fat! there are actually bigger game dogs out there too, but are built lean and mean. my dogs are game bred..you can't say game dogs unless you fight your dogs..which i don't. mia has show dogs not game dogs..which is fine..i have game bred..but never fought to see if game family dogs! they show gameness towards other dogs, but i would never risk a fight over ignorance. i don't get how ppl can say they have gamedogs unless they fight there dogs..i've already had converstaions w/experienced past game breeders about it..they say you never know until they fight..they may show signs of game..aggression..bla bla bla, but you don't know unless they fight, so are you all saying you fight your dogs since they're so game??

[devinben3]

hitler the 115 lb, which is now down to 93 lbs, which is still huge, but he's not my dog, hes a friends and things happened when i was gone. oh and i just wanted to say...rocksteady has a 90 lb game dog..so they are out there! just ask rocksteady if you don't believe...also there is sampson a over 100 lb rednose who is game also..

[jankab]

For One... Nobody Is Talking About Fighting.....

[jankab]

You need to do some research on what the definition of game is...

[HCK]

I'd like to see pics of these balloons.
naa, jk Sounds like you just werent feeding them right in the first place.hitler the 115 lb, which is now down to 93 lbs, which is still huge, but he's not my dog, hes a friends and things happened when i was gone. oh and i just wanted to say...rocksteady has a 90 lb game dog..so they are out there! just ask rocksteady if you don't believe...also there is sampson a over 100 lb rednose who is game also..

[chainsoff]

NO actually i don't fight my dogs..and i didn't say 65 lbs was big, it all depends on the build of the dog..mayday was built nice..he wasn't short and fat! there are actually bigger game dogs out there too, but are built lean and mean. my dogs are game bred..you can't say game dogs unless you fight your dogs..which i don't. mia has show dogs not game dogs..which is fine..i have game bred..but never fought to see if game family dogs! they show gameness towards other dogs, but i would never risk a fight over ignorance. i don't get how ppl can say they have gamedogs unless they fight there dogs..i've already had converstaions w/experienced past game breeders about it..they say you never know until they fight..they may show signs of game..aggression..bla bla bla, but you don't know unless they fight, so are you all saying you fight your dogs since they're so game??Do you realize what an IDIOT you sound like. You should either get your information straight, or quit yappin. ON, and a dog can't show gamness towards other dogs form the sound of it you don't know dogs to well, and you'll never know if you dogs are game.

[miakoda]

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/6/2/1/mia_&_taker.jpg

Ummm, Mia is the dog on the right! If you think she was 45lbs in this pic, you need to do more studying than I though!

Ummm, also, I never named any names. ;)

[The Watcher]

"no offense the dog in your avatar is overweight and huge and can in no way be a game dog"

"no-offense" but devin, dont come round insulting the rong persons-
word to the wise~

[miakoda]

Hmmmm.........what the heck is this? More lies? Hate on me some of you if you want, but there is no way I'm gonna watch people try to lecture most byb's & puppy peddlers, yet allow a few others to do so & just look the other way. Unreal.

the following was found by other people & myself on www.bullybreeds.com (http://www.bullybreeds.com/)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0>Kennel Name: D & B kennels <TBODY><TR><TD>State: NC <TR><TD>Description/Other Info: Specializing in American pitbull terriers. Pups due mid march 2004 out of Rebel 75 lb red fawn female with eddington, bolio, jeep, and gator lines and Hitler a 115 lb brendle male out of Grand CH. budweiser crusher. pups will be big. serious inquires only. puppy contract to be signed upon purchase. ...(exceeded max description length)...</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Yet I thought this was an accident. But now it's a kennel? And a breeding from 2004 although the 2005 "accidental" one was the dog's first? That puts the above breeding when the bitch was just a year old.


I want to point out that this is NOT a personal vendeta, but rather an attempt to get people to stop giving people like this the ok to ruin this breed while bashing others for doing the same thing.

[rocksteady]

Wow.. lmao .. I simply am at a loss for words on this one...
The pot calling the kettle black...

So what exactly is the truth?? Or have you weaved so many tales that even you are unsure what is fact and fiction??

[GaDog]

Wow people hating on each other, shame. But there ya go their will never be a meeting of the minds, not even for the pros. Everyone has an opinion of what the prefect body shape, size and musclelarity should be. I thought it was said at one time and it may not be true but it is not the dog in thr fight but the fight in the dog. Not being a pro maybe I just dont get it, as many have said, but is their not the possiblity that a larger dog can git er done just as well as a smaller framed dog. That is if it is about heart, which many have said is what game is about. HEART, not just breeding and not just size but the combination of all of these. This just dumb ole me making an observation based on all I have read since being here.

[The Watcher]

had some quotes bout it, wanna here dem?
here they go.........
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"

seems half the ppl with so much opinion dont even compete with there dogs??

"opinions are like A-holes, everyone has one"

[GaDog]

You are right about opinions, we all have the right to have them even if they are uninformed and incorrect. We which means you to, have the right to voice them. Thank GOD and our military for that. Fifty has made a good point in that not all in here compete, it is just sometime questionable what do you have to compete in in order to have an understood opinion?

[The Watcher]

what do you have to compete in in order to have an understood opinion?

what ever you(we) are claiming to have an educated opinion in........;)
conformation,pull, whatever... in dont think everyone should be intittled to thier opinion, but hey this is USA! I personally will only consider the opinion of ones that have PROVEN to excel in thier particular sport.
JFO..........lol, LMAO!

[GaDog]

Wow fifty since I dont compete that was a question to you and other pros. I have an opinion because I wish to save the breed from BSL. I own the breed bcause I rescue the breed for shits who can not or will not contain their animals. But I simply asked a question, I did not throw a rock.

[The Watcher]

I have an opinion because I wish to save the breed from BSL
then let ur opinion be on BSL, not conformation etc......... ;)
I own the breed bcause I rescue the breed for shits who can not or will not contain their animals
thats awesome..........
But I simply asked a question, I did not throw a rock.
did i throw a rock? you asked:
"what do you have to compete in in order to have an understood opinion"
i said:
"what ever you(we) are claiming to have an educated opinion in......"

[rocksteady]

what do you have to compete in in order to have an understood opinion?

what ever you(we) are claiming to have an educated opinion in........;)
conformation,pull, whatever... in dont think everyone should be intitled to thier opinion, but hey this is USA! I personally will only consider the opinion of ones that have PROVEN to excell in thier perticular sport.
JFO..........lol, LMAO!


Too bad more people didn't think like this ... Blind leading the blind is how most of the mess comes about..those who dont know thinking they do know..

roach nuh business inna fowl fite.......

[The Watcher]

"Blind leading the blind is how most of the mess comes about."
yeah this is what i was thinkin ;)

[GaDog]

Ok I will but as long as others realize that the BSL fight also digs into areas some in here dont like for me to mention and it aint, conformation, agility, or OB, it is the illegal activities that sometime surround this breed. You do not have to like it and neither do I but some politicians believe that because of the illegal activities that the whole breed needs to be removed. Do I think it is the fault of the professional dogmen, NO but i do believe that the politicians will not make that distinction, and neither should anyone in here or anywhere think that a elected official would make the distinction between a thug ass punk and a respectable dogman who is just testing his dogs. Now in this I did not attack anyone but I did point out facts.

[rocksteady]

Politians will say whatever the "general" public wants to hear in order to get elected, money, more money, ......

So dont hand us that bs...

there are plenty of "dogmen" "dogwomen" that do more than you think in the efforts of BSL... Just because they choose to not draw the attention to themselves and say "Hey everyone look at me look at me"

Everyone wants to own the dog.. but the dog isnt for everyone..

[GaDog]

What BS are you talking about. Please explain your post.

[rocksteady]

"NO but i do believe that the politicians will not make that distinction, and neither should anyone in here or anywhere think that a elected official would make the distinction between a thug ass punk and a respectable dogman who is just testing his dogs. "

the reason is because politians DO NOT CARE about real dogmen /women...cause if they did, we wouldnt be having these conversations. They only care about $$$$$ and looking good .. which is where BSL comes in.. politians who want to look good..

[GaDog]

We do not have to like the legislators and their motivations but it does not change the fact that they have the ability to affect all of our lives. You said to me to basiclly stay in the areas I am familier, unfortunatly it is becoming the area of trying to explain how it is not the average owner and his dogs that are the problem. That it is not the professional dogman but the thugs that are creating visious dogs. But to be honest they do not nor will they ever say in public that any activity that is illegal is ok. They all to often believe that if one "pit" will bite and since they were trained to fight that they all will eventually bite. It is a long process of education to those who are willing to learn and a lesson for us to manuver around those who refuse to learn. Also there is still the constitutionality of the whole thing that as of yet has not been desided, or at least the fight is not over.

[rocksteady]

See ..some do not have to fight this battle they choose too ..which means in a year from now, most will give up and forget, its a game to them, a way to look cool or make themsevles feel they belong to someting... while doggers HAVe to fight it..everyday, whether its AC comin to harass them for nothin, byb's ruining the breed, media... getting their dogs killed infront of thier children.. they live it .... everyday its not a game or joke..

[The Watcher]

well said............... ;)

[GaDog]

YEH. Do some not think that those who rescue the breed do not also have people looking all the time. I mean why would you rescue dogs like that. Look at the scars. That must be a easy way to get some free dogs for fighting. We hear this crap all the time. Records, boy oh boy you better have records of where each and every dog is gone to even if it is in a hole 3 feet down. I may not be a DOGMAN but we get the same crap from those we are supposaly helping, the shelters that will not take a bully because it anint P.C. and the city who thinks we must be crazy to help this breed. So you may be right about some folks in the fight but it aint just breeders and the professionals.

[Defend2DaEnd]

WOW like dog like owner. You guys seriously remind me of the time I had Snatch and Halo out in this big empty field and they grabbed this old rope and started running with it. I went to find them and there they were a dog at each end and neither would let go no matter how much I yanked, pried or poked them. This went on for hours. I guess this kind of behavior is expected on this forum? Not that I'm getting into this argument because I am a beginner with certain aspects of this.

They are lying to impress you gamers... I wonder what it boils down to?

[The Watcher]

They are lying to impress you gamers... I wonder what it boils down to?
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[GaDog]

Yes what? Who are you talking about

[devinben3]

people learn and people make mistakes, it's the ones who don't learn and keep making mistakes you need to worry about...

[NORTH]

Is'nt this whole thread about you..people learn and people make mistakes, it's the ones who don't learn and keep making mistakes you need to worry about...

[misterdogman]

This thread should also be about the people who one day say they want to fight BSL then another day attack you and call you and your friends and family derogatory names and lie in public forums to play the victim and get people all bent out of shape for no good reason but to argue...you know who im talking about...a couple names come to mind all these people trying to either impress the game doggers here or try to argue with them about game dogs vs curs or whatever a lie is a lie is a lie and whoever tells it whether in public or private it needs to be called out...Im tired of the BS stupidity here maybe there needs to be a more defined seperation between people like me and people like them...it would save a lot of time and energy spent trying to reveal what some people here really are...scum bag lying wannabes and narc ass public crying babies reaching for attention in public forums but wolves in sheeps clothing in the PMs...all of you this applies to can go to hell. All of you know who you are.

[SFK]

HA! HA! Cull them Currs!!

[Diesel]

Im new... I dont know who we are talking about... tell me.

[jankab]

Im new... I dont know who we are talking about... tell me.
I am sure the people Mr. is referring to will know what he means... Probally should not be made into a personal public callout.

[The Watcher]

This thread should also be about the people who one day say they want to fight BSL then another day attack you and call you and your friends and family derogatory names and lie in public forums to play the victim and get people all bent out of shape for no good reason but to argue...you know who im talking about...a couple names come to mind all these people trying to either impress the game doggers here or try to argue with them about game dogs vs curs or whatever a lie is a lie is a lie and whoever tells it whether in public or private it needs to be called out...Im tired of the BS stupidity here maybe there needs to be a more defined seperation between people like me and people like them...it would save a lot of time and energy spent trying to reveal what some people here really are...scum bag lying wannabes and narc ass public crying babies reaching for attention in public forums but wolves in sheeps clothing in the PMs...all of you this applies to can go to hell. All of you know who you are.well said.... Bravo~ encore........

[miakoda]

How about these statements coming from this "APBT" breeder?

Well for the standard 63 lbs is big but still standard, and he is not big compared to some of the pits or pit/mastiff mixes i've seen. First off pitbulls come from American bulldogs which are well in the 140 lbs range(nice size male). A lot of breeders have bigger pits for weight pull, for in a different pull weight class, as we all know Spauldins Chevy Red Dog holds the world record ever pulled by a k-9 and he is registered, although he may be one of those whopper dogs from the past. Chevy is about 120 lbs and i must say is a pretty dog and doesn't get overheated. A lot of people don't want "Game" dogs(since you never know what you'll get and if your going to have a man biter or what unless you've bred the dog urself.)

[Diesel]

two words... Be you. Dont try to impress people by lying. it ALWAYS catches up to you. you are going to twist and turn and the noose just gets tighter.
Just be yourself..
"if people dont like you and your being yourself... F--K them!" - Bernie Mac

"I am what I am, and thats all that I am" We could all learn a thing from Popeye.

[miakoda]

two words... Be you.
Great words! We all started out somewhere. I started out as a newbie asking all kinds of questions (some stupid I'm sure), but I never lied & I NEVER bred & added to the whole pit bull problem!

[SouthernDixie]

Doesn't it make you wonder.... if they are lying about this and lying about that... do you think they are lying about the actual breedings also?

[Big Papa]

arguments arguments all about game......what about the love??

[miakoda]

do you think they are lying about the actual breedings also?Oh, I believe the breedings were made. They were advertised all over. (plus there are pics of giagantic puppies) What I don't believe is when it comes to owning true "gamedogs" are the dogs' true peds.

[Defend2DaEnd]

Fifty- I was talking about what kind of issues the person has to make them lie. Like what is lying underneath the lie. I wouldn't lie to impress you guys. I don't know hardly anything about bloodlines and I know my dogs are nothing compared to the game dogs you guys have. Right now they are just house pets. But I was wondering what their issues are. Why lie?

MisterDogman- There is a clear line between me and you. You are definately ahead in the game as I'm still learning. Hopefully one day I can be as intelligent on the breed as you.

[GaDog]

To whom it may concern; The thread is called why can't we just tell the truth??!!
Well I believe that is a statement that goes full circle and is meant to knock at everyones door. But is not the truth different for each individual? It has been in my experiance that 2+2=4 in school but in the real world things do not always work so cut and dry. This is a "gamedog forum" but is it not the concern of the dogman that there are individuals who are working just as hard to take their dogs as they are to take mine, ("the wanna be, the liar") or whatever. Maybe itis wrong to come on to a gamedog forum and expect anyone to agree with anything that is not related to gaming of the breed but should there not be common ground on the BSL issues. I have stated in the past that politicians also come on to boards such as this one to do research on what is going on in the APBT world. I have also stated that some of the comments made in forums like this one may be misunderstood because of the wording of certain subjects. I have been bashed for some of these comments and charged with with being a member of PETA or HSUS or some other group that personally I oppose. At the same time I have been warned in private that some in here with the loudest voices may be just undercover agents trying to make contact with an illegal breeder/owner so to set up a bust.
Again I am willing to fly a flag of truce in order to try and get good credible input on ways and ideas to approach the BSL situation. I already know the legal avenues it is the inputs from breeders, hunters, showers, and just plain ole owners that need to get their two cents in for workable and inforceable legislation. If thug and irresponsible owners and bad press are the problem there needs to be a credible answer. Looking for input.

[GaDog]

This thread should also be about the people who one day say they want to fight BSL then another day attack you and call you and your friends and family derogatory names and lie in public forums to play the victim and get people all bent out of shape for no good reason but to argue...you know who im talking about...a couple names come to mind all these people trying to either impress the game doggers here or try to argue with them about game dogs vs curs or whatever a lie is a lie is a lie and whoever tells it whether in public or private it needs to be called out...Im tired of the BS stupidity here maybe there needs to be a more defined seperation between people like me and people like them...it would save a lot of time and energy spent trying to reveal what some people here really are...scum bag lying wannabes and narc ass public crying babies reaching for attention in public forums but wolves in sheeps clothing in the PMs...all of you this applies to can go to hell. All of you know who you are.I offer a flag of truce if this is not enough then

[misterdogman]

I didnt expect this to hit you in a way where you felt I was talking about you. But your flag of truce is accepted anyway... since you were wise enough to figure it out and man enough to stand up to it and wave your flag...if your serious in your nuetral decision to do whats right for the breed I too will agree too do so. With all derogatory comments and annoying put downs aside PM or not...and your "truce" is on.... and to add... liars and Sh!t talkers with issues and MANY other people besides "you" around here should learn from this and remember... very little is missed by the very intelligent people on this site and nobody has a problem calling anyone out...so let that stand as a message to other people here who think of lying or being disrespectful before they find themselves in an embarrasing situation...we all are here to love and protect a breed viewed as ABPT in all the BSL supporters eyes... So I guess we should somewhat be a united force in best interest of our "breed"

[GaDog]

So with my "flag-a-waving" how do people in such an active forum post and not get lost in the madness. If ideas are to passed and (discussed) how will this be accomplished.

[miakoda]

Oh, devin. We didn't know you had your own kennels!

http://truepits.tripod.com/id2.html

Hitler" x "Rebel" Puppies

Will be ready to go the beggining of May, 2005.
Large, active puppies! Taking deposits now. Only 5 puppies left. $400 plus shipping if needed.
I thought it was an accidental breeding & you GAVE them away?

And look at the dog named Rebel! That's the dog you told me was NOT Rebel but was Shanty or something like that. And there's Hitler, our main man. And the truth shall set you free........or get you shunned.

[RollinRuger]

Oh, devin. We didn't know you had your own kennels!

http://truepits.tripod.com/id2.html


I thought it was an accidental breeding & you GAVE them away?

And look at the dog named Rebel! That's the dog you told me was NOT Rebel but was Shanty or something like that. And there's Hitler, our main man. And the truth shall set you free........or get you shunned.
That dog on that site hitler hardly looks 90 lbs.

[miakoda]

I've made my point. Some people you can educate.....others you just eliminate.