A true son of Frisco bred by Mr. King on Garner's yard

[SLICK WILLIE]

PEDIGREE OF BGFU (http://mfspitbull.com/pedigree1/printpedigree/printout.php?recordID=27164) to Kings Buckshot.

[B]

What are you hoping to get out of this breeding? It is a little loose if you know what I mean... Just curious to hear your thoughts.

B

[TxDogger]

Your proud of that ped aren't you bgfu this is the second time i have seen it today.. It is very nice.. you should be.. You going to let any go for a reasonable price?

[TxDogger]

A little loose yes. but lots of good dogs in there. IF your doing it for the right reasons (which I don't know if they are or not) a little loose is ok right?

[B]

To each his own but I feel breedings should well planned on linebred dogs. Sometimes an outcross is good to bring back some vigor or lacking traits but people are far too worried about making crosses. What would you do with the offspring out of this litter? Their genetic makeup is so scattered that your chances of having predictable results of a litter is slim to none. In my opinion you should only be crossing when your dogs start to lack something. I'm not saying that you don't do breeding for the right reasons but you should also take their pedigree (if honest) into consideration. I think far too many people don't pay enough attention to genetics. When you linebreed you are stabilizing your dogs. Generally you will have more predictable results from litter to litter. A dog is the mean of its ancestry. For the most part a dog is going to be an "average" of the dogs making up its history. By outcrossing you are trying to reintroduce something that your linebred dogs are lacking. I'd love to hear someone else's thoughts. Of course this only works when you are breeding honest bulldogs. Paper breeding without the work will result in varying (or zero) degrees of success.

Regards,

B

[who]

i am a firm Beleiver in linebreeding or Family breeding..........but from what i understand if you are TOTALLY selective in your breeding the weaknesses will stay out of your way and if you need an out cross and NO DOG in your yard or closely related to your yard has those starights you can breed to a family bred along Similar lines that has the traits you want, that way it is not a total outcross just a shift of the genes a shift of the genes doesn't change your yards makeup just shifts the things you want.........when you do that kind of outcross, you have to bring it back into your yard, so your yard will ALL be like that little cross you wont have to keep out crossin......it is real complicated but if a person is serious about breeding a FAMILY of dogs right like DON says SEEK TRUTH.............

[O.D.]

To each his own but I feel breedings should well planned on linebred dogs. Sometimes an outcross is good to bring back some vigor or lacking traits but people are far too worried about making crosses.I AGREE. WHERE A GOOD CROSS CAN HELP STREGTHEN THE LINE TOO MANY WILL RUIN IT. AND THIS IS EVEN WHEN YOU GET A GOOD DOG OR TWO FROM IT. THERE ARE MANY GOOD DOGS THAT COME FROM SCATTERBRED BACKGROUNDS, BUT THEIR ABILITY TO PRODUCE WAS PRETTY MUCH NON=EXISTENT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT PERCENTAGE WISE A GOOD DEAL OF CROSSES (THE SUCCESSFUL ONES), WERE MADE FROM BRINGING TOGETHER LINEBRED FAMILIES. THE LUCKY SHOT IN THE DARK IS USUALLY NOT THE BEST WAY TO GO ALTHOUGH THEIR ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE RULE IN MY OPINION. TOO HARD TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT YOUR BREEDINGS WILL PRODUCE. I THINK THIS HERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PRETTY MUCH BOLIO/CHINAMAN CROSS THOUGH A LITTLE LOOSE YEAH, BUT STILL ABLE TO BE RECOGNIZED. I MAYBE WRONG, JUST HOW I AM LOOKING AT IT.

[SLICK WILLIE]

If you look at the overall ped past the 4th gen you will see the the light. People get hung up on the GD ped by dog names. Jeep was a Dime line dog Red Boy was too and so this was not an outcross. Chinaman Eli/Carver. Kings Buckshot is an Eli/carver Bolio dog. The bitch is Eli/Bolio with a shot of Dime blood in there off the jeep and Redboy! Maybe the blood you dont like but I'm putting back the same Blood from the past. I could always breed her to her Bro but thats to tight right now. The bitch is a little bulldog if you want You can come see! You keep your dogs tight and thats fine! but I like the Blood I have just fine. The work is done for me I just add the same blood back to it. Just because a line of dog has someones last name to it dont make it a different blood line. So get past the 4th gen and dont knock someones dogs! It will come back to kick your ass. I'm here! just a hop skip and a jump. I ant breeding for CH OR GRCH i'm breeding bulldogs not paperwork. Thats what your looking at and have know idea how the dogs are. The blood is the same for the most part except for the jeep and redboy. I hope you can open your eyes and see the blend back to the Eli and Bolio! Blood dont mean shit! Dogs of the passed were not heavy line bred when it started over here. Gameness to gameness! Was the base of the breeding. Not being double bred or shit like that. That only happened cause the breeder had not another dog as game as the one being bred at that time. Look back at peds and study the facts not the bullshit lastnames on peds. I can stick my name to many dogs but dont mean its tight. I know what Cass is bringing and Buckshot is adding Gameness and mouth back to the basic lines. Eli/Carver Dime/Bolio is the basic makeup of the two dogs and putting it back to each other is line breeding just dont have my name on every dog! If its not clear then study more! % of blood in a dogs line is part of the battle but luck is as well.
OD! Need not pass judgement and watch the stone's your casting on other's! God is watching you! When you grow up I will let you chat with me.

[B]

You don't need to get defensive. I just asked out of curiosity why you thought this would work well. Why do people get so defensive when a simple question is asked? I like to ask questions so I might learn something myself. I was interested to see your response and reasoning. I never once questioned you or your dogs. I was responding to txheadhunters post. The initial question I asked you was simple and to the point. I went back a lot further then 4 generations. Best of luck with your breeding, whichever way you decide to go.

Regards,

B

[SLICK WILLIE]

Not bitting your head off that just the way I am. I have studied the peds and the future holds the outcome. I just posted the ped here cause someone ask me to. Sorry I put a cur on this thread if that is what people think. I have seen the finished product and that is why I'm doing it. With the help of the breeder of my Cass bitch. It makes good outcrosses and I have seen them done with many other working kennels.You don't need to get defensive. I just asked out of curiosity why you thought this would work well. Why do people get so defensive when a simple question is asked? I like to ask questions so I might learn something myself. I was interested to see your response and reasoning. I never once questioned you or your dogs. I was responding to txheadhunters post. The initial question I asked you was simple and to the point. I went back a lot further then 4 generations. Best of luck with your breeding, whichever way you decide to go.

Regards,

B

[B]

That was all I was after... I never said a single thing about cur or how your dog acts. That is only something you would know. I was just curious to see what you thought this would bring to the table. Thanks for the reply.

Regards,

B

[SLICK WILLIE]

% of good dogs from a breeding. Here you go! Everyone looks at the dogs on the peds but dont take the time to look at all the dogs the oldtimers went through to get what they have today. Paperwork holds a small % of dogs that were culled because they made bad breedings to. We dont hear about them because failure makes people feel bad. I know everyone has their own take on this game and thats cool. I guess everyone here on this site has made the perfect breeding. No! Cause your here looking for info on how to make better bulldogs. I have three Mentors to help me and I'm doing just fine. I will make mistakes and some good breedings to. I can take the heat from a cur litter but we know what to do with the crap! I was going to breed her to a tight Bolio dog but I seen something in Buckshots offspring that I liked that was the same as my Cass Bitch. Crossing is a dogs ability so it was true here also. Put the heavy Frisco to this bitch everything else is there. I have a scattered bred dog and he is a hardass but lacks wind. I will not breed him cause of this! I know what I'm looking at on my yard and its coming. You might bring a CH but I'm bringing a Bulldog. You just need to see the dogs for yourself. I have dogs that come from producers but will see what happens down the road. I have the blood that works for me thats all that matters to me.

[B]

Yes that is all that matters. I hear where you are coming from and I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I like to hear everyone's perspective. I might not always agree but the more info I get the more I learn. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Best wishes,

B

[TIP]

Mate all am saying is you seem to be a very confident about your breeding which you should be right if you aint confident about it who is?

But i wouldnt want to go into so much details and be over confident not saying you are because once there in that box anything can happen no matter how much research yuv done

And the one that does all the talking before will no doubt get laughed at the longest if it doesnt go there way

[SLICK WILLIE]

You are right! I Just put the ped on here for a person to see cause they like the blood. I never said they were going to be great. I know the dogs off buckshot are winning point blank. I never said they were going to do anything. The other to Pals that posted here made the jokes. Mate all am saying is you seem to be a very confident about your breeding which you should be right if you aint confident about it who is?

But i wouldnt want to go into so much details and be over confident not saying you are because once there in that box anything can happen no matter how much research yuv done

And the one that does all the talking before will no doubt get laughed at the longest if it doesnt go there way

[TryinTimes]

"A true son of Frisco bred by Mr. King on Garner's yard"
The thread topic can be taken as disrespect in some circles. I have yet to find the point in posting a pedigee of a litter in that fashion. It cast a shadow on the litter to me. I don't care who bred it IF it's a good one.

With that being said...

I think that based on pedigree ALONE that litter has a big chance of being a high output litter. With all that Patrick blood as the base it should put out a few good examples. I see the formula and it looks sound to me.

Frisco (Eli/Snooty/Patrick), Boyles (Eli/Patrick), add the PROVEN cross of Jeep/RB plus some more Patrick blood.

From what I know you can Expect high & consistant ability, variable degrees of mouth, VERY high prey drives. Look for some fast & strong athletes with all that Frisco.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/tryintimes/Webfloss1.png
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=51584

[SLICK WILLIE]

Sorry I got everyones hopes up! Go to the Boyles Thread and look how I bred Mama Cass today Sun 12 June Under breeding made today. This put chills on my neck when I got the ok to breed her to Jethro. Thanks everyone for the input! I'll post pics when they hit! Dont forget I also have some Midnight Cowboy pups on the way.



"A true son of Frisco bred by Mr. King on Garner's yard"
The thread topic can be taken as disrespect in some circles. I have yet to find the point in posting a pedigee of a litter in that fashion. It cast a shadow on the litter to me. I don't care who bred it IF it's a good one.

With that being said...

I think that based on pedigree ALONE that litter has a big chance of being a high output litter. With all that Patrick blood as the base it should put out a few good examples. I see the formula and it looks sound to me.

Frisco (Eli/Snooty/Patrick), Boyles (Eli/Patrick), add the PROVEN cross of Jeep/RB plus some more Patrick blood.

From what I know you can Expect high & consistant ability, variable degrees of mouth, VERY high prey drives. Look for some fast & strong athletes with all that Frisco.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/tryintimes/Webfloss1.png
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=51584

[domino]

all i have to say is woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

[FireBone]

I cant wait to see how that litter will turn out keep us posted.