Which would you prefer?

[J.W]

Which would you prefer, Chinaman blood through Frisco or without Frisco?

[Gamest]

Like i saided before we dont even know if that is FRISCO or not. ADBA even wants to know ?????

[KnOck]

In my opinion it all depends. Going Chinaman with Frisco in there, I would get it thru a natural born son of Frisco (because of all the discrepencies of the sperm babies). Now, Chinaman without Frisco I would go with the Earl Jr. blood. You can go either of these ways, but I forsee the Earl Jr. blood making a major impact in the years to come.

JUST MY OPINION!

YIS

Knock 'EM Out

[J.W]

Yea i think that earl jr blood is going to be good, Eppinette kennels has the tightest earl jr blood around if i am not mistaken

[KnOck]

Another kennel that has tight Earl Jr. blood is Bring It On Kennels (BIO Kennels on Lawless). They have some hot prospects; ones to look out in the near future.

YIS

Knock 'Em Out

[LA_Headhunters]

Too much BS over the Frisco stuff I would rather go without Frisco in the ped.

[J M A N]

You're absolutely right......so is LA........way too much contraversy over a COLD DOG anyway.Like i saided before we dont even know if that is FRISCO or not. ADBA even wants to know ?????

[BONE]

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh Now this is a good one :D
FRISCUR lol was not a cold dog he was a 45 minute Cur..In his schooling in the Oakland Bay Area he quit...Rumor has it he jumped the pit wall..This is not true either...The owner of the other dog was a women (Just had to throw that in there :D ) and her dog grabbed Frisco and pulled him back in before he could jump out lol..I know this because the lady was a good friend of mine's sister inlaw...Vinnie bred up Frisco and he was going to put Frisco down, but he had called Garner and told him about what happen and Tom told him not to do it, that he would take Frisco..So Vinnie shipped him the dog and the rest is history as they say...

[J M A N]

Cold..........Curr............same animal, different smell!

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_4_48.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) LOL........loved the story.

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh Now this is a good one :D
FRISCUR lol was not a cold dog he was a 45 minute Cur..In his schooling in the Oakland Bay Area he quit...Rumor has it he jumped the pit wall..This is not true either...The owner of the other dog was a women (Just had to throw that in there :D ) and her dog grabbed Frisco and pulled him back in before he could jump out lol..I know this because the lady was a good friend of mine's sister inlaw...Vinnie bred up Frisco and he was going to put Frisco down, but he had called Garner and told him about what happen and Tom told him not to do it, that he would take Frisco..So Vinnie shipped him the dog and the rest is history as they say...

[KURUPT]

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh Now this is a good one :D
FRISCUR lol was not a cold dog he was a 45 minute Cur..In his schooling in the Oakland Bay Area he quit...Rumor has it he jumped the pit wall..This is not true either...The owner of the other dog was a women (Just had to throw that in there :D ) and her dog grabbed Frisco and pulled him back in before he could jump out lol..I know this because the lady was a good friend of mine's sister inlaw...Vinnie bred up Frisco and he was going to put Frisco down, but he had called Garner and told him about what happen and Tom told him not to do it, that he would take Frisco..So Vinnie shipped him the dog and the rest is history as they say...

yup thats a true story D told me all about that day. lol friscur good one..

[3BK]

hmmmm... I see. Great story! And the info is very much appreciated. That explains why Frisco blood is shittin' up here in the Philippines!!! All our chinaman dogs here are from Friscur blood! That explains why most of our Frisco dogs here are 15 to 30 minute quitters!!! I might as well give away my Double bred Frisco stud who quit also in more than 35mins! Shiiiiiit mayn! What a freaken waste of dough! Oh well... that's how life sucks! eheheh....

[KURUPT]

Yeah sometimes that happen's...We all spend alot of money on are dogs and we get some that quit sometimes, thats just part of the game..If you don't want to put the dog down and you do give him away, thats always cool too, but don't give up his papers. That way they don't get a idea in there head to breed the dog.

Make sure that the person know's how to take care of the dog....He might of quit in 35 but he will hit a dog, if the new owner's let him run free or don't know anything about game bred dogs and he hits someones cur dog and kills it or hurts it real bad it makes the breed look bad..Cuzz his new ower didn't know what he was getting him self into..That's another reason we just put are dogs down......Just a thought......YIS

[MMK]

im definetly not a big frisco fan, my favorite little prospect on my yard that is looking better than any other dog i have ever owned at this age is double elmo. so it kinda makes me a hipacrit but i personally dont see myself searching out anymore frisco dogs just over the controversy. i mean were there is smoke there has to be fire and all the controversy makes me want to stay completely away.
MMK

[3BK]

Yeah sometimes that happen's...We all spend alot of money on are dogs and we get some that quit sometimes, thats just part of the game..If you don't want to put the dog down and you do give him away, thats always cool too, but don't give up his papers. That way they don't get a idea in there head to breed the dog.

Make sure that the person know's how to take care of the dog....He might of quit in 35 but he will hit a dog, if the new owner's let him run free or don't know anything about game bred dogs and he hits someones cur dog and kills it or hurts it real bad it makes the breed look bad..Cuzz his new ower didn't know what he was getting him self into..That's another reason we just put are dogs down......Just a thought......YIS

I feel ya mayn! Don't worry, the owner is a good friend. And I didn't give the papers ofcorz!!! That dog was a very sweet ass pitbull... loved his family so much. BUT, can also be a good Guard dog for intruders!!!! So it was hard for my family to let go of him.... but he's in good hand now. And I think he's happy where he is.


YiS....

[J M A N]

Great comments.....I definately agree.........don't give up the papers. Too much shit out there now.Yeah sometimes that happen's...We all spend alot of money on are dogs and we get some that quit sometimes, thats just part of the game..If you don't want to put the dog down and you do give him away, thats always cool too, but don't give up his papers. That way they don't get a idea in there head to breed the dog.

Make sure that the person know's how to take care of the dog....He might of quit in 35 but he will hit a dog, if the new owner's let him run free or don't know anything about game bred dogs and he hits someones cur dog and kills it or hurts it real bad it makes the breed look bad..Cuzz his new ower didn't know what he was getting him self into..That's another reason we just put are dogs down......Just a thought......YIS

[HCK]

yup thats a true story D told me all about that day. lol friscur good one..Frisco was no cur! Don't be fooled. He did get rubbed and the outcome was he did not act right in approximately 3 rolls. Do some research and you will find this to be true. Not trying to start shit.

[J M A N]

If a dog tries to haul ass cause he can't take an ass whoopin.....that's a cur!

And I guarentee if BNK says its so.......it's so!

[3BK]

If a dog tries to haul ass cause he can't take an ass whoopin.....that's a cur!

And I guarentee if BNK says its so.......it's so!
Good point buddy!!!

[ben]

I personally think that having anything with frisco in it is a risk, I do have some frisco dogs that look ok, if I could go back I would have gone with the earl jr stuff too, I dont think frisco was a game dog, he was a 45 min cur, and everyone wants to say hes on top of the rom list, well im sure if a cat had 750 offspring he would be on top of the rom list too. lol. Overall dont go with frisco.

[BLUE GEISHA]

we have a dog with frisco in her ped she's been schooled 2 x and shown real good. It's a luck of the draw with any bulldog but if we could go back it be without frisco.

[KURUPT]

Frisco was no cur! Don't be fooled. He did get rubbed and the outcome was he did not act right in approximately 3 rolls. Do some research and you will find this to be true. Not trying to start shit.

FRISCUR was a cur... Daryl's sister inlaws dog made Friscur try and jump the pit and when he did her dog grabbed him and pulled his cur ass back in, in 45
it was over Friscur didn't want anymore V was going to put him down and Garner talked him into sending the dog to him...Rubbed give me a break...You need to get your facts straight and do your research before you say someone else needs to do there's..Darlys a good Straight up Dogman....and Tom is well, I think you already know, so I want have to say it..........

[J.W]

I have a heavy bred frisco dog, she must just be a freak cause i have schooled her 3x once against a reputable dog, she scratched everytime i think it was 7 times, dogs that are bred real tight aren't made to be champions, but ROMs , and POR's

[HCK]

You schooled her against a reputable dog? why?I have a heavy bred frisco dog, she must just be a freak cause i have schooled her 3x once against a reputable dog, she scratched everytime i think it was 7 times, dogs that are bred real tight aren't made to be champions, but ROMs , and POR's

[HCK]

I was just going by what the SDJ said about Frisco many many yrs. ago. They are true Jeep lovers so therefore I figured it was true.You schooled her against a reputable dog? why?

[red_light]

i do think that frico dog are good for breeding but are not pit worthy.....i have one....she won't fight if he doesn't know the place but if it's her territory all hell breaks loose.....(she already has killed 1 pit and 1 doberman) and her litter is looking like the best litter ever saw...
but lol........i dont like frisco either.......

[BigTex]

wtffffff? worthy of breeding but no good [ ] wise? if frisco dogs are no good for [ ] then why they hell would you breed them to start with?

[Bubba]

i do think that frico dog are good for breeding but are not pit worthy.....i have one....she won't fight if he doesn't know the place but if it's her territory all hell breaks loose.....(she already has killed 1 pit and 1 doberman) and her litter is looking like the best litter ever saw...
but lol........i dont like frisco either.......A dog should be worthy to do her job no matter where she is...and as far as killing a doberman, #1, that is careless on your part as a doberman is a cur breed and your dog should have never been on that dog, and #2, what about that statement is something to brag about??
When is everyone gonna wisen up with these dogs??? What is it going to take??? Must the law step in and ban all of us from owning these dogs when these knuckleheads finally wake up and smell the coffee and start doing right by these dogs???
BB

[æSDKæ]

Nothing change...Frisco is still a producer :) It depends upon what crosses you make with this blood...You won't get wrong ;)

[BLUE GEISHA]

A dog should be worthy to do her job no matter where she is...and as far as killing a doberman, #1, that is careless on your part as a doberman is a cur breed and your dog should have never been on that dog, and #2, what about that statement is something to brag about??
When is everyone gonna wisen up with these dogs??? What is it going to take??? Must the law step in and ban all of us from owning these dogs when these knuckleheads finally wake up and smell the coffee and start doing right by these dogs???
BBYou are absolutely right BB! AIn't nothing to really brag about and that shouldn't have even been put in a post!!! And we wonder why the breed gets a bad rap?! Very negligent on his part...:mad:

[HCK]

Frisco is a great line even when not outcrossed you just have to go with a natural son that has the highest percentages at producing. This is a winning line!You are absolutely right BB! AIn't nothing to really brag about and that shouldn't have even been put in a post!!! And we wonder why the breed gets a bad rap?! Very negligent on his part...:mad:

[bigmurfdogg]

i am from frisco's homestate it seems like someone else is hating on TG and FRISCO.i heard the story about frisco when V. HAD HIM.BUT DIDN'T V. BREED HIM BEFORE HE SOLD HIM BACK TO GARNER,AND BEFORE HE WAS SOLD TO V. GARNER HAD BRED HIM TO.MAKES YOU THINK WHY WOULD THESE TWO DOGMEN BRED HIM IF HE WASN'T SHIT.BUT TG BROUGHT HIM BACK AND PAID 2X AS MUCH TO GET FRISCO BACK FROM V. THIS MAN HAS LEFT HIS MARK ON THE GAME FOR SOME 25YRS AND IMO HE HAS BEEN GOOD FOR IT! OKAY FRISCO QUIT BUT DIDN'T JEEP'S DAD QUIT,ALSO THE FAMOUS BULLYSON QUIT ALSO.FRISCO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN [] MATERIAL,BUT HE IS ONE HELL OF A PRODUCER AND TG SAW THAT IN A FEW LITTERS HE HAD BEFORE V. GOT HIM AND THAT WHY HE PURCHASED FRISCO BACK.WITH EACH BLOODLINE YOU HAVE GOOD AND BAD! I MEAN TAB WAS NOT [] MATERIAL.BUT MY POINT IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT [] MATERIAL DOES THAT MAKE THEM ANYLESS OF A DOG.FRISCO JUST LIKE TAB COULD PRODUCE.WE ALL NEED TO STOP HATING ON EACH OTHER AND TRY TO WORK TOGETHER TO IMPROVE THE BREED.I LOVE CH.CHINAMAN/FRISCO ROM BLOOD AND THAT'S W FOR ME! LOL BIGMURFDOGG

[KURUPT]

Garner didn't breed Frisco...V did...All Garner did was put his name on him like he did with CH.Chinaman....He didn't have anything to do with Chinaman's breeding or his win's...Just like he didn't have anything to do with Frisco's breeding or him quiting....YIS

[AC]

If it works it works but the truth always does seem to make its way to the surface. But then again there's good ones and bad ones in every breeding and every line.

[blackbeard]

I guess if Frisco were alive I would not mind something off of him cause he is 1/4 Bolio. And some of you already know how much I like that Bolio blood. But my point here is that I have an American Warrior magazine from 1992 advertising Frisco at stud. That´s 12 years ago! He is still selling pups off of Frisco from frozen semen. The poor dog must have been wacked off to death. I´ve spoken to Tom on several occasions and one time while talking to his wife she told me that Tom had frozen Gr Ch Spike semen. This was around 93´ or 94´. I know Tom is a very wealthy man and he probably was one of the first to start freezing his studs semen. But at what point will he run out of frozen Frisco semen, if he hasn´t already? Business wise the more he "has" the better. If I wanted a Frisco dog from him I probably would get one off of a good son of Frisco, just to sleep better at night. This is one of those topics that will always lead to debate and will get no one anywhere.

[Crash97]

Frisco, or not Frisco, that is the question.......lol (a little revised quote from The Bard) I'm real new to the game, but with all the controversy surrounding Frisco, I'd have ta say with out is preferrable. Any line can and will throw good and bad dogs, but I was always told don't breed to an undesirable mate. Best to best, I believe. And a quitter would be undesirable.

[KURUPT]

If you want Chinaman blood go the "Earl Jr" route....
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=5865

[bigmurfdogg]

crash97. you said one true statement about there being good and bad in every line,but the part about him quitting and he would be an undesirable mate! well i do believe bullyson quit,and jeep's dad quit(bo)! also look at what bullyson has produced, ch's-bullyson jr,midnight cowboy,chivo,stomper,honeybunch,loposay buster rom,ramsey arty.he quit but produced all these great dogs that have left an imprint on the game,so what doe you have to say about that!

[Crash97]

I may have misspoke, I was not exactly saying Frisco was an undesirable mate. But the fact he quit definately doesn't make him more desirable. And given a choice would personally choose to not include such a controversial dog in a breeding program. Some quitters have gone on to produce great dogs, but I don't feel like including them is a step in the right direction. One should always strive to better the breed, by eliminating as many undesirable traits as possible. JMHO You can breed to any dog you wish, that is your choice. That is the great thing about these dogs, you can go any direction you see fit. That is what I got to say about that.crash97. you said one true statement about there being good and bad in every line,but the part about him quitting and he would be an undesirable mate! well i do believe bullyson quit,and jeep's dad quit(bo)! also look at what bullyson has produced, ch's-bullyson jr,midnight cowboy,chivo,stomper,honeybunch,loposay buster rom,ramsey arty.he quit but produced all these great dogs that have left an imprint on the game,so what doe you have to say about that!

[Big River Kennels]

funny how people say things after the topic their discussing is gone.

[Big River Kennels]

I think that Frisco and Chinamen were true champions.

[who]

i went with chinaman dog with out frisco cause theres to much controversy covering Frisco....i would go with EARL Jr. blood...but if i were to go with a frisco dog i would go with ELMO....just to have a little bit of insurance to be safe

[mutt]

frisco aint shit.....i would never buy a frisco dog...earl jr..yes

[DEACON ROM]

frisco quit. news to me, wasnt there. belive what i see. a lot of dogs quit for diff reasons. shit some dogs that have done over an hour n half have jumped outta the box not that it matters. shit a cold quitin cur dont mean it cant produce. even at a high percentege. shit a bowe legged dog dont mean its gonna throw bowe legged dogs. the point is that someone who breeds a dog has a good idea what there gonna throw after a breeding or a few. some one who has ran the snooty eli cross for a while is gonna know what there gonna produce. shit tom bred chinaman and spike how many fuckin times? shit he knows what they throw. he also knows with out the bolio the line wont have it all or what it should. therfore in my opinion unless you run your chinamanspike blood to the bolio you wont be able to compete with the percentegaces. so keep knockn the curs off frisco sooner or later you'll see.

by the way this post is only directed at the nat. bred sons and daughters, im not even trying to touch the adba papered issue. lol