The gameness is almost gone out of most of the OFRN, what do you think?

[pitbull-kid]

The gameness is almost gone out of most of the OFRN, do to poor breeding or breeding for papers. But they will cross good with anything and it brings the gameness back out.
what's your opinion on these matter? :)
the more opinion the better, so we can share our experience to others

[D.R KING]

When the "game" is gone...its gone....

"When you find gameness you must cherish it....forever"

[crankydog]

When animals selected for breeding are chosen based on criteria UNRELATED to the gameness within themselves, such as looks, color, pedigree (regardless of how many "game" dogs are in the pedigree), head size, shoulder size, color, or the amount of blue ribbons the line wins at the shows and weight pulls, then gameness in the line will definitely be lost. You can only intensify (or maintain) a certain quality in an animal by specifically selecting animals showing those traits and using them for breeding. If the trait of gameness is not selected for, it will eventually become nothing more than a truly recessive gene in that bloodline.

what's your opinion on these matter? :)
the more opinion the better, so we can share our experience to others

[thablacksheep]

I could see why you would think that. but that's definately not true. A lot of those dogs where bred in a different direction, therefore they werent rolled or tested. Thats not to say that if you repeatedly schooled and tried various pups, that one out of however many you've tried wont have that highly desireable trait. there has been dogs that basically fell out of the sky and whent on to have respected careers. I think that the problem would be the lack of consistently producing quality game dogs from this stock. Thats my take on the subjectWhen the "game" is gone...its gone....

[thablacksheep]

I see your logic on this matter but to say that the gameness is gone completly is an overstatement. I dont know what course you would have to take to be an expert on breeding traits so this is only my opinion, with experience to serve as my logic. now where not talking about fight style or athletic ability. Just pure gameness. and believe me, I've seen dogs that where bred down from pit intellegent dogs but werent considered game, but when they were tightly bred these dogs were hot. I had two pups (Mickey and Mallery) that were actually cur bred but ended up killing each other in a accident. these dogs where 730 and convinced me that some dogs where meant to be game, others where pure luck. When animals selected for breeding are chosen based on criteria UNRELATED to the gameness within themselves, such as looks, color, pedigree (regardless of how many "game" dogs are in the pedigree), head size, shoulder size, color, or the amount of blue ribbons the line wins at the shows and weight pulls, then gameness in the line will definitely be lost. You can only intensify (or maintain) a certain quality in an animal by specifically selecting animals showing those traits and using them for breeding. If the trait of gameness is not selected for, it will eventually become nothing more than a truly recessive gene in that bloodline.

[rocksteady]

It all depends on who you get your dogs from..

But to say OFRN dogs..there are VERY few kennels that are breeding 100% OFRN dogs.. most everything out there today has some cross.. Many so called breeders call their dogs OFRN because a) image b) peddlers c)they havent gotten a clue what it really means d) the dog has some OFRN ..

[brase1]

thers only one way to see if ur dog is game and thats to let him play?????do u have the game in u???????????????????????????

[carson3535]

Well I've ran across a few people that have tight OFRN. But it's been hard getting a dog from these people but I'm working my way. But for the most part people breed and keep OFRN that are bred for pedigree and/or size. I plan own preserving the OFRN strain like it was ment to be.

[Rasp]

Tombstone’s influence has been mighty all across the country, and this is all the more remarkable when it is considered how few times he was bred as compared to so many other vaunted sires. Recently some fine dog men who were natives of Mexico brought a descendent of Tombstone’s for me to see. I was thunderstruck when they got the dog out of the van. Before my eyes was an absolute reincarnation of the Old Family Red Nose dogs I had seen back in Wallace’s place (and those of other dog men, too) back in the 50s. The dog was Champion Boiler, a three-time winner, and when I saw video tapes of his matches, I was all the more enchanted. His style was exactly that of the old dogs. Take them where they want to go, but keep the mouth from doing any damage. Wear them down, all the while laying on damage, a bit at a time. And Boiler had exactly the same intelligence and attitude of the old dogs. The visit was so striking for me that it inspired this article.



Pit Bull Kid. This was taken from an article on O.F.R.N dogs. It was written by Richard Stratton, and you may find it interesting. The whole article can be found here: http://www.richardfstratton.com/touchedbyfire.htm (http://www.richardfstratton.com/touchedbyfire.htm)

[ShakaZ]

This is sort of what I'm looking for. Will continue to search old posts since unable to receive direct help without bein thought of as the po lice.

[simms]

Go to the source get off the net! Don't be a dumbass. The rout you are taking is asking for trouble and you just might find it....

[MrMark]

This is sort of what I'm looking for. Will continue to search old posts since unable to receive direct help without bein thought of as the po lice.


I'm not sure what it is your are looking for, but if it has anything to do with the original question to this post 4 years ago then the answer is in there thanks to Rocksteady...where and who you get your dogs from is the most important advice of all! (This cannot be said enough)

...and SIMMS is 100% correct.

[TheVictor22]

don't want to be thought of as a cop, don't act so suspect.


Vic

[JBlazeRx7]

don't want to be thought of as a cop, don't act so suspect.


Vic

I second that Vic!:cool:

[GAS HOUSE KENNELS]

Seems to be alot of that going on round here unfortunatly hhmmmm :confused:?

[ShakaZ]

Aint nobody actin suspect I just don't know too much about the old family reds so was askin about em. That's all. But I've decided not to outcross to them anyway, so it don't matter, feel me.

[ShakaZ]

Seems to be alot of that going on round here unfortunatly hhmmmm :confused:?

Maybe it's just a lot of newbies are just gettin into the dogs. IDK just a thought.

[JamesT]

Maybe if you dont know anything about the OFRN's you should'nt even think about breeding them.Im not trying to come off as a dick.But there's more to breeding than just sticking two dogs.Maybe you should try and learn a little more,and breed a little less.This is one of the major downfalls of our breed today.

[determination]

i like the ofrn dogs

[junkyard]

ive allways been under the impression that these days there is no pure ofrn around, and hasnt for awhile. i think the name has been dropped by peddlers and the like but im sceptical wheather they have sufficient proof of their dogs.

[BKNLS]

OFRN dogs are out there in the right hands and are as strong as ever. The Red Devil/Norrod line comes to mind. There is a fella who is doing great things with this old Hemphill blood. Like any bloodline it all depends on where you get your stock from.

[Bxpits]

Ofrn crossed is a thing of beauty!

[GAS HOUSE KENNELS]

Ofrn crossed is a thing of beauty!



^^^^^ GHK ^^^^^^

[art]

[quote=thablacksheep;39264]I could see why you would think that. but that's definately not true. A lot of those dogs where bred in a different direction, therefore they werent rolled or tested. Thats not to say that if you repeatedly schooled and tried various pups, that one out of however many you've tried wont have that highly desireable trait. there has been dogs that basically fell out of the sky and whent on to have respected careers. I think that the problem would be the lack of consistently producing quality game dogs from this stock. Thats my take on the subject[ that is right grch 35 fell from the sky

[art]

that right grch 35 fell out of the sky:D:cool: