Muscle building supplement [Archive]

no1special

05-09-2004, 05:09 PM

I don't think any unneccassary drugs are good for the dogs over all well being. They might not show a reaction or whatever early on but you'll surely be able to tell as the dog ages. Of course I'm one of those that believes that our animals (and children) are over vaccinated as well.

PADogman

05-09-2004, 05:21 PM

Thanks i was talking to a breeder and he was telling me he gives his Dams muscle builders and vitamins and his pups are bigger and his litters are also bigger like 10-13 pups.

no1special

05-09-2004, 05:26 PM

LOL. I'm sorry but if a dog is going to have a big litter it's cause it was meant to be a big litter not because the dam was givin some sort of drug. No wonder dogs have so many different health problems ;)

MMK

05-09-2004, 11:36 PM

the best thing to feed your dog to build muscle is just raw meet. it is full of crude protien which is the easiest was of building muscles cause your muscles feed off protien easier than they do carbs. any muscle building suppliments are definetly not good for your dog. and if a dog is on them then i think as it was mentioned it would burn out their kidneys/liver. their bodys were never created to be able to use it so they have not very much of a tolerance to it.

btw the person who said that our kids and pets are over medicated as is. i agree 100%. to much vacinating and the body stopps producing natural vaccines as they are not needed cause they are getting them from a different source

about having dogs consistantly having 10-13 pups. i only have 2 words for that "puppy peddler"

MMK

PADogman

05-10-2004, 06:19 AM

That is true i wasnt planning on getting any dogs from this breeder anyways cause he seems to be out for the money instead of trying to help make the breed better.I would rather buy a dog from someone who has maybe 5-6 pups and is breeding more consistant and healthy dogs.

the best thing to feed your dog to build muscle is just raw meet. it is full of crude protien which is the easiest was of building muscles cause your muscles feed off protien easier than they do carbs. any muscle building suppliments are definetly not good for your dog. and if a dog is on them then i think as it was mentioned it would burn out their kidneys/liver. their bodys were never created to be able to use it so they have not very much of a tolerance to it.

btw the person who said that our kids and pets are over medicated as is. i agree 100%. to much vacinating and the body stopps producing natural vaccines as they are not needed cause they are getting them from a different source

about having dogs consistantly having 10-13 pups. i only have 2 words for that "puppy peddler"

MMK

Bravo

05-11-2004, 03:50 PM

STPFAN

06-05-2005, 09:16 PM

The only way to build muscle,Is to increase the work load on the existing muscle i.e get out there and work that dog.
Also you can only build a dog up to what his genetics will allow.
Most dog men are not worried about biuilding muscle as it is counter productive.Only the confirmation people worry about such things
Bravo
I agree 100%......I don't worry or try to build muscle, rather I try to improve athletic ability (eg. speed, strength, stamina and muscular endurance) However the dog looks then that how he looks......which is lean and healthy looking!

YIS

Norvell57

06-05-2005, 09:28 PM

i tryed using muscle builders and working my dogs and i couldnt tell a diff. before and after i say just do it the old fashion way

Saiyagin

06-05-2005, 09:35 PM

It all depends what you are working the dog for? As for me I keep it simple with just some whey protein and some creatine added to his feed and 1 good multivitamin thats only if you are working the dog hard if not then you dont need to add anything just feed some good high protein kibble.

CRD

06-05-2005, 09:42 PM

Old school is still the best! Supplements tends to shorten your dogs life!

06-05-2005, 10:34 PM

www.getcni.com (http://www.getcni.com/) sells RF-1... a few top kennels won't run a keep without the stuff. This stuff is based on years of research. It doesn't build muscle but it does provide the proper protein to fuel muscle synthesis. It also provides some supplements that help assist in your dogs recovery so he can work harder the next day. These are not items that you give your dog on a daily basis just to make him look "big". These are serious supplements used to give you an advantage over your weight pull or show competition.

Supplements don't build muscle. Hard work and consistancy build muscle.

Regards,

B

Bluepit50

06-05-2005, 11:24 PM

Alot of people may think that their dogs are getting bigger, but it's simply mostly water and fat gains, like they said muscle is built from working the dog. When kept conditioned, dogs look much more muscular by themselves, the smaller the layer of fat a dog has, the more muscles revealed. Conditioned dogs look much nicer and can preform alot better than if bulked up from a supplement.

ggixxerrider

08-16-2006, 08:23 PM

I agree 100%......I don't worry or try to build muscle, rather I try to improve athletic ability (eg. speed, strength, stamina and muscular endurance) However the dog looks then that how he looks......which is lean and healthy looking!

YIS
I give my dogs and the pups clovite and yes if you give a pregnant female clovite during her second term of pregnancy it will make the pups bigger and healthier. It is not harmful at all and the buckskin black-mask that was posted looks scrawny and hungry to me. I have the same buckskin pit and he looks much bigger and healthier than him, no offense, just stating the truth. I am starting to breed blue pits and they are given clovite as well. I also keep them on heavy chains to build their shoulder mass. To each his own though.

miakoda

08-16-2006, 08:27 PM

I give my dogs and the pups clovite and yes if you give a pregnant female clovite during her second term of pregnancy it will make the pups bigger and healthier. It is not harmful at all and the buckskin black-mask that was posted looks scrawny and hungry to me. I have the same buckskin pit and he looks much bigger and healthier than him, no offense, just stating the truth. I am starting to breed blue pits and they are given clovite as well. I also keep them on heavy chains to build their shoulder mass. To each his own though.
Please tell me your just kidding with us.

1. There are blue pit bulls everywhere you turn around. We do NOT, nor does this breed, need another "breeder" breeding dogs for color & $$$.

2. As for the chains, only a newbie or ignorant or just plain foolish person would a) keep dogs on heavy chains & b) actually think the chains build muscle mass. What the chains actually do is break down your dogs cervical & lumbar spine & cause crippling arthritis at the ripe old age of 2. These dogs are lucky if they can look side to side & lift their heads up.

But hey, you "know" what you're doing.

ggixxerrider

08-16-2006, 08:35 PM

Please tell me your just kidding with us.

1. There are blue pit bulls everywhere you turn around. We do NOT, nor does this breed, need another "breeder" breeding dogs for color & $$$.

2. As for the chains, only a newbie or ignorant or just plain foolish person would a) keep dogs on heavy chains & b) actually think the chains build muscle mass. What the chains actually do is break down your dogs cervical & lumbar spine & cause crippling arthritis at the ripe old age of 2. These dogs are lucky if they can look side to side & lift their heads up.

But hey, you "know" what you're doing.
No im not a doctor but yes if you put a 50lb chain on a 15lb dog yes it will mess their necks up. If you work them gradually into heavier chains like a 25lb then a 50lb it will help them build muscle. I notice you didnt argue about the vitamins adding to the size of unborn pups. I must know some of what im talking about.

Riptora

08-16-2006, 09:09 PM

A constant strain on the dog's neck or anywhere is NOT good. Breeding blues is enough to wrile up this crowd. Obviously HEALTH is not your goal. If it was, you would not be pumping up your bitches, breeding blues and damaging your dog's necks. Pregnent bitches need double the intake of nutrition. A raw, healthy supplimentation is all that is needed. Genetics have everything to do with the size of the pups too.

Marty

08-16-2006, 09:56 PM

I give my dogs and the pups clovite and yes if you give a pregnant female clovite during her second term of pregnancy it will make the pups bigger and healthier. It is not harmful at all and the buckskin black-mask that was posted looks scrawny and hungry to me. I have the same buckskin pit and he looks much bigger and healthier than him, no offense, just stating the truth. I am starting to breed blue pits and they are given clovite as well. I also keep them on heavy chains to build their shoulder mass. To each his own though.So to you this dog would look like what?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/Marty2k6/T-shirts/Lilbit-05-05-06.jpg

Or this dog...?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/Marty2k6/finaleBest.jpg

Take these pics to your vet and show them to them and ask is this more healther than say these dogs?

cdpits

08-16-2006, 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=Marty]So to you this dog would look like what?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/Marty2k6/T-shirts/Lilbit-05-05-06.jpg
QUOTE]

Marty, you could post this pic 1000 X & I'd never get tired of looking at her. She is one awesome looking bitch!!

misterdogman

08-16-2006, 10:41 PM

I heard people give there dogs muscle building supplements.To help build bigger and more muscle mass is this safe to use in safe quanities and what is a good age to start them on something like thatStart them on those kinds of things right before it is about 15yrs old or so...If it makes it that long then who cares.

misterdogman

08-16-2006, 10:44 PM

Take these pics to your vet and show them to them and ask is this more healther than say these dogs

ROFL....LMAO....my belly hurts! Marty you kill me!

PIT_DOMINATION

08-16-2006, 11:09 PM

we just coverd this in another thread search "vitamins and energy supplements"
we coverd everything there is about this topic.

miakoda

08-16-2006, 11:13 PM

No im not a doctor but yes if you put a 50lb chain on a 15lb dog yes it will mess their necks up. If you work them gradually into heavier chains like a 25lb then a 50lb it will help them build muscle. I notice you didnt argue about the vitamins adding to the size of unborn pups. I must know some of what im talking about.
LOL. I must've overlooked that. As far as that goes, NO, vitamins (not muscle building supplements) can help a pregnant and/or lactating bitch maintain her nutrient levels, but I have yet to see any scientific evidence or any evidence for that matter, that vitamins will make unborn puppies bigger.

As far as working a dog up to a large chain, all you are doing is prolonging the inevitable--a crippled dog.

And btw, these dogs are NOT supposed to be muscle bound body builders but rather lean & trim like sprinters/track runners.