Problem Barking

[dhcrew]

i have this female who was dropped off at my house......dont know how she is bred, no papers, dont even think or know for sure if she is a mutt, but i took her in thinking i could find a home for her, however, she is a problem barker, i have already been in trouble 3 times for this dogs barking.....i cannot place her now due to the fact that i do not trust her any longer....(she will attack kids through sliding glass doors, while behind the glass, but whenever she has been around the kids she doesnt pay them any attention, she will also snap at them through her kennel walls) i have not allowed her to ever be loose around the kids since the first time this happened. i cannot take her to the pound because i took responsibility for her when i took her in and it goes against everything i believe in.....i need to know if there is anyone willing to try to work with her, i have tried everything, anti bark collars, boxes, water, ect. and nothing has worked.........i think i am probly going to have to put her down, but i wanted to see if anyone has any ideas first.

[chainsoff]

She's obviously showing signs of human aggression. The answer to the problem, is to put her down.

[dhcrew]

thats what i think also, my husband disagrees with me but he really doesnt understand the pit bull, the dogs are my thing, i have already made arrangements to have her put down on wednesday but for my hubbys sake i had to ask. for some odd reason he likes this dog........i on the other hand cant stand her simply because i dont trust her at all.

[chainsoff]

Made arrangements? Take her out back and do the job.

[Bluepit50]

Any dog who shows aggression to people for no reason is a bullet waiting make its way at someone. You'll actually being saving someone from being hurt down the line by having it let down, it could be a cool dog but tell that to the person it will bite. I'm a little worried for your kids, try to act quickly if you can, for your familiy's sake. Good luck

[TabDogs]

First of all I have a 2 year old son, IF ANY DOG EVER GROWLED, ACTED LIKE IT WANTED TO BITE HIM, SHOWED ITS TEETH, or WHATEVER IT WOULD BE DEAD WHERE IT STOOD...Now thats the bottom line. PERIOD. How can you honestly keep a dog around your children, for even another minute after it tried to attack them trough a glass door??? What if that door wasnt there??? There is no way in hell I would keep that dog around for any reason. That dog sounds like a loose cannon...Keeping a dog like that around is like playing russian rolutte(sp)....You never know when it will go off..Now I love my dogs and all, BUT my son comes before any of the dogs. IF that had been me in that situation and that dog tried to attack my child thorough a door or whatever..It would of got jerked up and took on a long walk, and I would be the only one walking back...PERIOD. And I wish my husband would tell me he liked the dog and wanted to keep it around, even after it tried to attack our child..He would get taken out on a long walk also..LOL..Seriously I have ZERO tolerance for a dog that tries to attack kids..I dont care what breed it is..they should be dead where they stand after the first time. I just dont see how anyone could keep a dog that is even "iffy" around kids...Maybe I just care to much about my child's and other peoples children's safety..Ok I got to end this reply I am getting hot just even thinking about it..But DHCrew I hope you did the right thing and put this dog down....ASAP for your childs sake..

[chainsoff]

First of all I have a 2 year old son, IF ANY DOG EVER GROWLED, ACTED LIKE IT WANTED TO BITE HIM, SHOWED ITS TEETH, or WHATEVER IT WOULD BE DEAD WHERE IT STOOD...Now thats the bottom line. PERIOD. How can you honestly keep a dog around your children, for even another minute after it tried to attack them trough a glass door??? What if that door wasnt there??? There is no way in hell I would keep that dog around for any reason. That dog sounds like a loose cannon...Keeping a dog like that around is like playing russian rolutte(sp)....You never know when it will go off..Now I love my dogs and all, BUT my son comes before any of the dogs. IF that had been me in that situation and that dog tried to attack my child thorough a door or whatever..It would of got jerked up and took on a long walk, and I would be the only one walking back...PERIOD. And I wish my husband would tell me he liked the dog and wanted to keep it around, even after it tried to attack our child..He would get taken out on a long walk also..LOL..Seriously I have ZERO tolerance for a dog that tries to attack kids..I dont care what breed it is..they should be dead where they stand after the first time. I just dont see how anyone could keep a dog that is even "iffy" around kids...Maybe I just care to much about my child's and other peoples children's safety..Ok I got to end this reply I am getting hot just even thinking about it..But DHCrew I hope you did the right thing and put this dog down....ASAP for your childs sake..My feelings exactly!

[dhcrew]

Tab i agree with you, we had her here for a few months before she did this or anything even resembling this, and she was ok with the kids, i keep a tight reign on my kids when around my dogs and nothing ever came up, this happened when i started letting her loose in the yard when we were inside, the first time she did it, i was surprised and to see if it was a freak thing i repeated it several times over the next few days, it continued and she has been kept in a kennel run separate from my kids ever since, she has ABSOLUTELY no contact with my kids and hasnt for months since i found this behaviour....before this happened i was evaluating her for placement ever since this happened, i have kept her away from my kids but hung on to her for my husband who didnt think it was that serious, he never listens to me. she will be put down this week, i just wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing. and for you others, if i had a gun i would indeed take her out and shoot her, but i do not, so it is off to the inhumane society since they only charge $25.00 to PTS a dog and they dont ask too many questions.thank you guys though for the assurance i needed to know i was doing the right thing.

[chainsoff]

You are finally doing the right thing. It should have been done the FIRST time it happened. Now for the husband......

[D.R KING]

First of all I have a 2 year old son, IF ANY DOG EVER GROWLED, ACTED LIKE IT WANTED TO BITE HIM, SHOWED ITS TEETH, or WHATEVER IT WOULD BE DEAD WHERE IT STOOD...Now thats the bottom line. PERIOD. How can you honestly keep a dog around your children, for even another minute after it tried to attack them trough a glass door??? What if that door wasnt there??? There is no way in hell I would keep that dog around for any reason. That dog sounds like a loose cannon...Keeping a dog like that around is like playing russian rolutte(sp)....You never know when it will go off..Now I love my dogs and all, BUT my son comes before any of the dogs. IF that had been me in that situation and that dog tried to attack my child thorough a door or whatever..It would of got jerked up and took on a long walk, and I would be the only one walking back...PERIOD. And I wish my husband would tell me he liked the dog and wanted to keep it around, even after it tried to attack our child..He would get taken out on a long walk also..LOL..Seriously I have ZERO tolerance for a dog that tries to attack kids..I dont care what breed it is..they should be dead where they stand after the first time. I just dont see how anyone could keep a dog that is even "iffy" around kids...Maybe I just care to much about my child's and other peoples children's safety..Ok I got to end this reply I am getting hot just even thinking about it..But DHCrew I hope you did the right thing and put this dog down....ASAP for your childs sake..

Okay, thats what I'm talking about. I would never take or even think about working with a dog that would bite my little brother, or anyone else. I don't even know why you would even think about trying to put this man biter off on someone else to deal with. Since the dog is your responsibility, its your reponsibility to put this dog down and make sure no one gets hurts. Even though it hurts, you can't save all dogs, but at least you can save your self from risking another "pitbull mualing" story.

1 of the dumbest things a person can do is cross the pitbull with other breeds. Maybe thats why most people don't know what the pitbull looks like, and it could be why there are so many so called pitbull attacks

[TabDogs]

Ok I have to ask this..I am not trying to be rude or anything like that, BUT what if a neighborhood Child came on your property and was like "oh look its a cool doggy" went up the cage and maybe let the dog out, or even stuck his hand in there with the dog..Then you would have the cops, a lawsuit, and more than an angry parent on your ass, And yet another "killer pit bull" story on the news.. My question is why would you even attempt to keep this dog around?? Now i know there are people out there that try and "rehibiltate(sp)" these types of dogs or whatever BUT why risk the precious life or un neccasary injury to a child? And I know there are people who are going to say "well the parents of that neighborhood child should have been watching him/her better" Well thats true to an extent..BUT kids will be kids, and kids wonder off and get into things they arent supposed to..thats part of growing up..Hell I know when I was a kid I got into things I shouldnt have..All kids do it..Hey my 2 year old(terrible 2's LOL) gets into EVERYTHING...perment markers, just the other day he got a bottle of baby oil and poored it all over his head!! I was in the same room with him, fixing him something to drink, I turn around and there he is covered in baby oil..LOL took me days to get it out of his hair..BUT anyways all I am saying is I couldnt sleep at night knowing I had a dog like that on my property that could harm someone's child..

[rocksteady]

And we all know how people LOVE to stop in and take pups from DH's yard without her knowing..

which leads to my next question DH. How come you werent aware of your city/town/township/village where ever you live's laws concerning how many adult dogs you may have in your possesion?? To me, that's part of the responsible dog ownership program because that means whatever you breed, you know you will not be able to keep...

[D.R KING]

BUT kids will be kids
100% true, kids will get into things, as an responsible adult you have to make sure nothing like that can ever happen. Even if you have to do the deed of putting the dog down

[TabDogs]

And we all know how people LOVE to stop in and take pups from DH's yard without her knowing..

which leads to my next question DH. How come you werent aware of your city/town/township/village where ever you live's laws concerning how many adult dogs you may have in your possesion?? To me, that's part of the responsible dog ownership program because that means whatever you breed, you know you will not be able to keep...AMEN!! NO DOUBLE AMEN ON THAT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

[GrCh_Jeff]

if my dog,as much as i love him acted like that i would shoot him between the eyes.either take it out back or to the pound.

[Scotsman]

My question is if you think the dog is a mutt and it is aggresive towards people why even question keeping the cur? After this and other posts that I have read by you I can't believe you breed dogs.

[dhcrew]

Ok I have to ask this..I am not trying to be rude or anything like that, BUT what if a neighborhood Child came on your property and was like "oh look its a cool doggy" went up the cage and maybe let the dog out, or even stuck his hand in there with the dog..Then you would have the cops, a lawsuit, and more than an angry parent on your ass, And yet another "killer pit bull" story on the news.. My question is why would you even attempt to keep this dog around?? Now i know there are people out there that try and "rehibiltate(sp)" these types of dogs or whatever BUT why risk the precious life or un neccasary injury to a child? And I know there are people who are going to say "well the parents of that neighborhood child should have been watching him/her better" Well thats true to an extent..BUT kids will be kids, and kids wonder off and get into things they arent supposed to..thats part of growing up..Hell I know when I was a kid I got into things I shouldnt have..All kids do it..Hey my 2 year old(terrible 2's LOL) gets into EVERYTHING...perment markers, just the other day he got a bottle of baby oil and poored it all over his head!! I was in the same room with him, fixing him something to drink, I turn around and there he is covered in baby oil..LOL took me days to get it out of his hair..BUT anyways all I am saying is I couldnt sleep at night knowing I had a dog like that on my property that could harm someone's child..
again tab i totally agree with you, i think i felt sorry for her at first, i wouldnt even have taken her in, but the guy who kept one of babygurls very first pups had her also and had some HUGE things happen in his life ( i wont give details, but VERY HUGE BAD THINGS) and asked me to take them both and try to place them together, well this was easy with babygurls pup, he stayed here he and all the others will always have a home here, but i didnt like her from the moment i saw her, she has that "look" that just screams instability....i dont know what i was thinking, i should have known she was unstable the second i saw the "cur lip" at one of my other dogs....i didnt have the heart to do what i needed to do....even though i should have....as for kids getting to her kennel, it is not possible i made sure of it from the beginning. you are all right and i was indeed trying to "rehabilitate" her, but it was indeed a mistake.....i just hate to see the products of other peoples ignorance.....as an example, the people who sold this dog to my friend (before he knew me) told him that her sire was an AMSTAFF, and her mother was a "REDNOSE" she is a BYB mistake and it makes me wonder how all the other pups in this litter came out, on top of everything else i didnt mention my friend brought her to me BRED she had 4 pups here and 2 are dead, my mentor has one (as a house pet, spayed, and another friend has the other.....also altered) i didnt appreciate that in the least.......this dog has been a total nightmare........first thing in the morning my best friend and i are taking her down, right now she is locked in my bathroom so she is quiet for once..... this is such a mess... :(

[dhcrew]

And we all know how people LOVE to stop in and take pups from DH's yard without her knowing..

which leads to my next question DH. How come you werent aware of your city/town/township/village where ever you live's laws concerning how many adult dogs you may have in your possesion?? To me, that's part of the responsible dog ownership program because that means whatever you breed, you know you will not be able to keep...
well rocksteady i knew the laws in the city limits, and didnt know i was out of them, you have to realize, not only did we just move into this house, but RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS THE CITY LIMITS also as i have stated, i have a city kennel liscense which states i am a working kennel with no limit and also states all the rules i must follow, but over on this side of the street that doesnt matter, i would have been able to get a kennel liscence approved by my neighbors, however now that this dog has driven them all crazy i have one who wont sign the release so now im screwed.

and whats with the attitude in that previous statement, you have never had people steal any dogs from you...i know im not the only person in the world this has happened to. ooohhh thats right...im sorry, you are perfect and your yard is perfect.......forgive me....LOL i realize that mistakes cannot be taken lightly in this breed, but jeez.....

[dhcrew]

My question is if you think the dog is a mutt and it is aggresive towards people why even question keeping the cur? After this and other posts that I have read by you I can't believe you breed dogs.

thats ok scots......as i have said a ton of times, i have learned alot on this board, and quite a few of my views have changed since i first came on here.....and you are entitled to your own opinion.....as are we all....it was still a free country last time i checked....at least in most places.....

[dhcrew]

i really didnt start this thread to begin another bashing session, im not interested in an arguement.....i just needed to know i was thinking the right way finally and doing the right thing even if a little late.......thats all......sometimes an outside opinion on the described behaviour of a dog is very helpful....im sitting here making excuses because i know her past, but none of you do therefore i needed objective opinions...and i thank you for those....good night all and tomorrow...problem solved.

[rocksteady]

, i wouldnt even have taken her in, but the guy who kept one of babygurls very first pups had her also and had some HUGE things happen in his life ( i wont give details, but VERY HUGE BAD THINGS) and asked me to take them both and try to place them together, well this was easy with babygurls pup, he stayed here he and all the others will always have a home here, but i didnt like her from the moment i saw her, she has that "look" that just screams instability....i dont know what i was thinking, i should have known she was unstable the second i saw the "cur lip" at one of my other dogs....i didnt have the heart to do what i needed to do...

Then maybe this isnt the breed for you DH. You dont know what you were thinking? The problem is you seem NOT to think about stuff Cur lip?? What partake is that? She growed at another dog, rolled her lips up? Geez..she's an APBT what the heck is she supposed to do?? Roll over and play dead to other dogs? and anyway, you dont game test your dogs so what would you know about a dog being a cur or not?? Huh?

.....i just hate to see the products of other peoples ignorance.....
ahhh...ok..and your dogs are pictures of APBT superiority?? Oh thats right..they are that rare dwarf thing.. oh wait.. you changed your mind on that one, too. How many wins do your dogs have, in anything??

as an example, the people who sold this dog to my friend (before he knew me) told him that her sire was an AMSTAFF, and her mother was a "REDNOSE" she is a BYB mistake and it makes me wonder how all the other pups in this litter came out, on top of everything else i didnt mention my friend brought her to me BRED she had 4 pups here and 2 are dead, my mentor has one (as a house pet, spayed, and another friend has the other.....also altered) i didnt appreciate that in the least.......this dog has been a total nightmare........first thing in the morning my best friend and i are taking her down, right now she is locked in my bathroom so she is quiet for once..... this is such a mess... :(
You took the darn dog, you could have said no. You took it and now are whinning about it? Again, this whole situation amongst others really makes me (and Im sure others) wonder if you should be breeding and owning these dogs. How many times have your dogs been "stolen" or "misplaced" (escaped) This isnt the first story we've heard about a dog in your possesion growling at kids or people..

And so what if it was Amstaff bred. You were trying to push a dog awhile ago "1/2 show bred" ie Blue ... trying to push your crap on others. Why not give away one of your more superior dogs instead of the crap??

You didnt like the dog from the begining..hmmm. Try using your head for once. Its there on top of your neck and shoulders for a reason..not to take up space

[dhcrew]

you have never heard of any dogs on my yard growling at people at any time, any time i have had a dog show instability that i have raised and/or bred it is PTS w/o question....i have never expected anything but bashing from you rocksteady....and so what if you dont like my short dogs....i do, love what you feed, feed what you love.....thanks for nothing as usual rock...thank god there are so many helpful mature people on here or NOONE would ever have or be given the opportunity to learn anything about these dogs..... i have learned a ton from here and a ton more from my mentor........and this female is not blue bred...whatever that is......she is out of UKC PR lines and that is what i meant by show bred and game bred.....and no i dont know if her parents were tested, all i have is her ped.....but since some of you love to judge by paps, i thought it would help to give some background....if you are not interestedin what i do , feed, keep or place then just dont read what i post...dont just answer me to start a bashing session.......i really have better things to do with my time...again thanks anyway....



edit...the female who has UKC PR lines is the one i need to place, not the barking female this thread is about, but the one in my other thread...... dog available.

edit again, the female im trying to place was not bred by me, she was bred by wildstreak kennels and i aquired her in trade........the problem barker has no history that i know of and i took her as a favor to help out a friend in need. combining 2 threads is really not a good idea..... :(

[mntman2003]

get a dogtra bark collar and just keep it!you have never heard of any dogs on my yard growling at people at any time, any time i have had a dog show instability that i have raised and/or bred it is PTS w/o question....i have never expected anything but bashing from you rocksteady....and so what if you dont like my short dogs....i do, love what you feed, feed what you love.....thanks for nothing as usual rock...thank god there are so many helpful mature people on here or NOONE would ever have or be given the opportunity to learn anything about these dogs..... i have learned a ton from here and a ton more from my mentor........and this female is not blue bred...whatever that is......she is out of UKC PR lines and that is what i meant by show bred and game bred.....and no i dont know if her parents were tested, all i have is her ped.....but since some of you love to judge by paps, i thought it would help to give some background....if you are not interestedin what i do , feed, keep or place then just dont read what i post...dont just answer me to start a bashing session.......i really have better things to do with my time...again thanks anyway....



edit...the female who has UKC PR lines is the one i need to place, not the barking female this thread is about, but the one in my other thread...... dog available.

edit again, the female im trying to place was not bred by me, she was bred by wildstreak kennels and i aquired her in trade........the problem barker has no history that i know of and i took her as a favor to help out a friend in need. combining 2 threads is really not a good idea..... :(

[Scotsman]

This mentor of yours must not be doing his job if you keep coming up here and asking questions.

[TabDogs]

you have never heard of any dogs on my yard growling at people at any time, any time i have had a dog show instability that i have raised and/or bred it is PTS w/o question....i have never expected anything but bashing from you rocksteady....and so what if you dont like my short dogs....i do, love what you feed, feed what you love.....thanks for nothing as usual rock...thank god there are so many helpful mature people on here or NOONE would ever have or be given the opportunity to learn anything about these dogs..... i have learned a ton from here and a ton more from my mentor........and this female is not blue bred...whatever that is......she is out of UKC PR lines and that is what i meant by show bred and game bred.....and no i dont know if her parents were tested, all i have is her ped.....but since some of you love to judge by paps, i thought it would help to give some background....if you are not interestedin what i do , feed, keep or place then just dont read what i post...dont just answer me to start a bashing session.......i really have better things to do with my time...again thanks anyway....



edit...the female who has UKC PR lines is the one i need to place, not the barking female this thread is about, but the one in my other thread...... dog available.

edit again, the female im trying to place was not bred by me, she was bred by wildstreak kennels and i aquired her in trade........the problem barker has no history that i know of and i took her as a favor to help out a friend in need. combining 2 threads is really not a good idea..... :(
You are saying that the dog you are trying to place isnt blue bred???? Are you blind? If you click on the dogs parents in that ped you posted, the mother is BLUE. The father is a merle..LOL We all know the deal on the merles..OR should I say catahoulas..LOL Bottom line that dog is out of a BLUE mother. So how is she not Blue bred????

[TabDogs]

This mentor of yours must not be doing his job if you keep coming up here and asking questions.
Sorry for double posting, BUT AMEN to what Scotsman said..I feel like I am in church with all these amens in this thread..LOL..But anyways, all you talk about is mentor this..my mentor says that...Well if he/she is such a "Great Mentor" then why do you have ask so many questions here...????Why would even need a second opinion on a dog that growls at your kids..Thats like 2+2, do you really need a calculator to find the answer??? I would hope not...So you are saying that when the dog growled or whatever you said it did to your dogs that was a sign that it was goin to be human aggressive??? WTF?? What do expect from this breed?? I think you need to read more on animal behavior before trying to rehibilitate anything....

[nappydawg]

tab said it all no joke any signs of human aggression is a death warrant no questions asked none aim and squeeze thats all no more said its sad but oh well life sucks its better in the long run for everyone

[SpencerPits]

You claim that no one (children) could get into your yard - how the h#ll do so many of your dogs get taken??? And even if a child could not get into your yard, what if an adult came in to steal one of your dogs and was not kind enough to close the gate. There is always a chance that a child could get to your dogs - all the more reason not to keep a human aggressive dog...period! I have to ask - do you really not know the answers to some of these questions you post? Sometimes it seems like you post just to get people's blood boiling...

[Kay]

i should have known she was unstable the second i saw the "cur lip" at one of my other dogs....
Do you hoestly think that a dog that raises it's lip and snarls at another dog is a CUR? I'm not convinced you know what a cur IS.
And growling at another dog makes her UNSTABLE?
Unstable (to me anyway) is unpredictable, as fine with a situation one day and NOT fine with it the next. Or fine with kids one day and not fine the next. What in the world is your mentor teaching you?
You are breeding these dogs dh, I really am having a hard time accepting that you don't even know the first word most of our mentors have taught us, which is the true definition of a CUR.
Did you happen to notice how many of the pictures of the All Time Greats are of the Great dog flaring up? Care to take a guess at what they were flaring up at when the snapshot was taken? Hell I wasn't there for any of the pics and I bet I know.
If that were the way you determine a cur, culling would be a heck of a lot simpler.I hope you don't take this like I am being a jerk to you, I am not. I'm just surprised you are breeding dogs and you have so little knowledge of pit bull dogs :(

[rocksteady]

Im wondering if there really is a mentor....

[dhcrew]

Sorry for double posting, BUT AMEN to what Scotsman said..I feel like I am in church with all these amens in this thread..LOL..But anyways, all you talk about is mentor this..my mentor says that...Well if he/she is such a "Great Mentor" then why do you have ask so many questions here...????Why would even need a second opinion on a dog that growls at your kids..Thats like 2+2, do you really need a calculator to find the answer??? I would hope not...So you are saying that when the dog growled or whatever you said it did to your dogs that was a sign that it was goin to be human aggressive??? WTF?? What do expect from this breed?? I think you need to read more on animal behavior before trying to rehibilitate anything....
LOL you are way off this time tab.........i am a person who likes to know as much as i can from as many different sources as i can, i also like to check that what i learn on here is the same as my mentor says.....i know my mentors experience, im usually just double checking and getting varying opinions......

what i meant by her not being blue bred....is she was not bred with the intention of getting blue or merle dogs...and yes we do all know the merle situation, it doesnt change the fact that a.) she is not merle....b.) she is very well put together and has great attitude, and c.) she would still make an excellent dog for someone.

by "cur lip" i meant no growl, no barking, no excitement whatsoever, my mentor was here at the time and she simply tucked her tail, bowed her back, stuck up her hair, lifted her lips off her teeth and looked at one of my other females "cur lip" is what he called it.....and also if you will read back, she snapped at my kids THROUGH A SLIDING GLASS DOOR but if i took my kids out with me to swim or go in the hot tub she was fine....she would also growl and snap at the kids WHEN SHE WAS IN HER CRATE (KENNEL) not a dog run nor loose in the yard though i never left her loose after the sliding glass door........when i was trying to get her ready for placement, it was BEFORE all this and i was trying to condition her distrust of kids out of her after that.........the reason i asked for other opinions is because she had never snapped at the kids when they were in reach i just felt like if a child ever bothered her or teased her (which i do not allow) she would indeed snap at them and connect.....maybe i wasnt clear enough in my description of her behaviour.....if i wasnt then i apologize. my kids could even go into her dog run when her only 2 pups were in there (with me right there of course) it was only crates and sliding glass doors, but that just still seems a little too unstable to me so i never trusted her........it is all pointless now anyway, she was killed this morning by the inhumane society with me sending her off......she may have been an unstable dog, but in my opinion it was still not her fault, but how she was raised and bred...so i sent her off with honor due her breed.


i also wanted to say that sometimes it is hard to put down in here everything im trying to say or ask, i know sometimes my questions seem stupid but it is just because i want to make sure what im learning or thinking on a given thing is correct, the more people i learn from the better my learning is in my opinion. and sometimes it seems like maybe i dont type in everything im thinking on a subject....i apologize for that but sometimes my brain moves too fast from thought to thought.

rock, yes i do have a mentor, he has been with bulldogs for over 30 years, and he is far away from me, i only learn from him over the phone and through yard visits, maybe that is not really a mentor but just another breeder with many years experience im asking questions of and learning from i dont know. he didnt tell me whether all dogs that act like she did at the sight of another female dog are curs, he just called it cur lip...i dont know what the behaviour is considered, but if i had to guess i would say classic fear stance is what she took, stiff legged, tail under her belly, lips pulled bach hair along her back up, and head down, all the dog behaviour book i have ever read (and most wolf ones too for that matter ) call this stance fear so thats what i assumed he meant by cur lip, was that she was scared. i apologize if you all think this is a wrong assumption for us to make but seeing as how you were not here and we were i cant see how that is possible.

Specner, you are right about one thing, most of the time i do already know or think i know the answers to my questions, but i am a person who likes to make sure...i do not like to work with improper information so most of the time im just double checking what i have learned or my mentor has taught me, or something i have read. i like to be sure is all. i hate arguing...there are people on here who simply do not like me and they will always disrespect me, and thats ok, because the wealth of learning information on here makes it worth it. so i just ignore them. ill also have you all know that i also like to double check what my mentor has taught me, so sometimes he will tell me something and i will also ask about it on here to see what other breeders and dog people think or know.

[Kay]

my kids could even go into her dog run when her only 2 pups were in there
She has puppies?????????????? I must have missed that post, sorry about that. You said you think she acts like she does because of "how she was bred" and you haven't put those pups to sleep???? Instability is NOT a trait you want to risk passing on to a new generation.
As far as the cur-lip...I have met some great dogmen over the years and have never heard that term used. Probably because there's only one way to find whether a dog is a cur or not, and it certainly is not by walking it past another dog.

[dhcrew]

She has puppies?????????????? I must have missed that post, sorry about that. You said you think she acts like she does because of "how she was bred" and you haven't put those pups to sleep???? Instability is NOT a trait you want to risk passing on to a new generation.
As far as the cur-lip...I have met some great dogmen over the years and have never heard that term used. Probably because there's only one way to find whether a dog is a cur or not, and it certainly is not by walking it past another dog.
the guy who brought her to me says he didnt know she was bred.....i dont know about that, but she was bred when she came to my house, and neither pup was sold, my mentor has one and a friend has the other, both are altered just like she is now.


not so much how she was bred, but maybe the situation she was in from birth until her new home, maybe her dam was a nervous dog, maybe her kids at her previous home teased her alot through the sliding glass door, i dont know i didnt get her til she was about 3 years old, i have no idea what her life was like......i can tell you that it couldnt have been very pleasant here for her after the glass door thing because she stayed in a dog run all the time.

the term cur lip was what he said, i dont know what it is, like i said she wasnt a dog i bred, nor was she ever going to be bred again.....i had her spayed right after her pups.....i was not pleased about the pups but they are indeed in hands that are capable of culling if need be.

one of the reasons i hadnt had her put down prior to this is because the vets here wont just PTS a dog that hasnt actually bitten anyone....they ask too many questions IMO and even if the dog is a pit bull that snaps they will try to talk you out of it...i have tried....i took her to the pound to see if they would do it, and even they tried to talk me out of it...i eventually had to lie and tell them that she did actually bite one of my kids but didnt break the skin cuz i was right there and stopped her......they were trying to tell me that a pit bull was just like any other breed and even though she didnt likekids they could place her in a home without any kids.....i said absolutely not and thats when i told them the lie.....i do not own a gun nor can i own one. and i do not have a vet that will supply me with ace tabs for at home euthanizations either, so i have to deal with alot of red tape to cull a dog here...usually i just send them with my mentor and he takes care of it.....but because she was a problem barker i couldnt wait any longer. i dont know if this sheds any more light but i also dont think it really matters either you all will think and say what you want and thats ok by me....

[miakoda]

i do not have a vet that will supply me with ace tabs for at home euthanizations either
First off, ace tabs don't need to be used for euthanasia. Secondly, I have never in my day heard of a vet refuse to put down a dog for it acting aggressively towards people! That's absurd! I just find it hard that absolutely no one would euthanize this dog. Thirdly, you need to find those 2 pups & put them out of their misery as well.

Fear biters are the dogs that do the most damage to people. Aggressive dogs just bite b/c they like to. Fearful dogs bite b/c they HAVE to in their minds to stay alive. Take your pick.

[rocksteady]

Nice post mia!!!

Blah Blah blah blah blah Excuses excuses DH.. Just do the darn deed yourself or have your wonderfull all knowing mentor do the deed. Heck..turn the dog in to the humane society and they will do it for free...drop it off in the middle of the night when no one is looking hahahaha.

Simply another reason why you shouldnt own this breed..you are incapable of doing what is right

[SMILES]

Nicely put

Okay, thats what I'm talking about. I would never take or even think about working with a dog that would bite my little brother, or anyone else. I don't even know why you would even think about trying to put this man biter off on someone else to deal with. Since the dog is your responsibility, its your reponsibility to put this dog down and make sure no one gets hurts. Even though it hurts, you can't save all dogs, but at least you can save your self from risking another "pitbull mualing" story.

1 of the dumbest things a person can do is cross the pitbull with other breeds. Maybe thats why most people don't know what the pitbull looks like, and it could be why there are so many so called pitbull attacks

[dhcrew]

Nice post mia!!!

Blah Blah blah blah blah Excuses excuses DH.. Just do the darn deed yourself or have your wonderfull all knowing mentor do the deed. Heck..turn the dog in to the humane society and they will do it for free...drop it off in the middle of the night when no one is looking hahahaha.

Simply another reason why you shouldnt own this breed..you are incapable of doing what is right

as i have already stated she is DEAD now rock and mia....i had to lie about it....and yes mia i know ace tabs are not used for PTS but i have heard that at overdose levels they will do the same thing....the dog will go to sleep and die.....maybe i heard wrong......and i guess that snapping through a sliding glass door or through a crate wall is not considered aggressive enough for these people. the dog has to have bitten someone....and another thing....i am indeed capable of culling, it is just not as easy as it is for you all.....most of you probly just take your culls out and shoot them....here it would be considered animal cruelty if i were ever caught...and then i would loose all my dogs and never be able to have dogs again not to mention loose my kids, and quite possibly my home. sometimes i wish i could just go out and shoot them, would be alot easier......maybe it is my city....this city has not ever had to deal with numerous dog attacks, actually i dont think there has ever been even one and the mentality here is so far from what they see on TV that those stories really dont cause anyone to think. the deed is done now so yall can just leave this thread alone now.......


and rock is that how you handle your problems? just drop them in the night drop so the inhumane society can clean up your messes? is that what all responsible breeders do, i must be going about things the wrong way then if i should just be dropping my troubles off in the night drop....but the last time i checked my morality levels that would have been a cop out and totally irresponsible of me. not to mention that i have no doubt that this particular dog would have passed the inhumane societies very basic temperament test since she doesnt bite dolls or fake hands reaching to her food dish and she would then have been adopted out to someday bite some kid for teasing her....huh maybe i should have let that happen instaed huh rock? maybe next time i will do what all the other "responsible breeders" do and just go drop my culls off in the night drop......if that happens alot no wonder there are so many disturbed pit bulls in shelters everywhere.


(the entire paragraph is written with sarcasm.......i know damn well that responsible breeders and dog owners for that matter do not drop their problems in the night drop at the pound) ;)

[miakoda]

as i have already stated she is DEAD now rock and mia....i had to lie about it....and yes mia i know ace tabs are not used for PTS but i have heard that at overdose levels they will do the same thing
I truly commend you for doing the right thing. I wasn't yelling, just stating. As for the at home euthanasia techniques & drugs, I would prefer that people didn't od their dogs are prescription pills. The dosages are not easy for the average person to figure out, & just like in people, you have a greater chance of the dog surviving several more days but suffering all the while due to organ damage & whatnot. Please don't do this....:(

[dhcrew]

First off, ace tabs don't need to be used for euthanasia. Secondly, I have never in my day heard of a vet refuse to put down a dog for it acting aggressively towards people! That's absurd! I just find it hard that absolutely no one would euthanize this dog. Thirdly, you need to find those 2 pups & put them out of their misery as well.

Fear biters are the dogs that do the most damage to people. Aggressive dogs just bite b/c they like to. Fearful dogs bite b/c they HAVE to in their minds to stay alive. Take your pick.
mia did you read my entire post? or just some of it cuz i thought i had explained myself fairly clearly. i do not consider her a potential fear biter, more of a child dominant biter, she was afraid of another dog, but not kids....i was concerned she would bite a kid that teased her or tried to play with her like any normal kid would do. she never "went after" any kids, and the few times before the door thing that she was around my kids and even after when i would take the kids swimming, she would play with them and kiss them, but i would always make my kids leave her alone and avoided all friendly contact for fear that if they played with her like they do with babygurl (my house dog and their dog) she would indeed bite them. she NEVER offered to bite growl, snarl anything at my kids when they were outside or around her, JUST when they would walk up to the sliding glass door and she was on the other side of it and a couple times when they went near her crate but only if they were paying attention to her, she woultnt snap at them if they were just walking by the door or her crate, they had to be looking at her for her to snap.......all these things i considered the signs of an unstable dog, and even though i still wanted to try to save her, i finally gave it up......i was in no way going to allopw the pound to try to adopt her out knowing that if she were ever teased or climbed on she would bite someones kid, so i lied to them to get her to put her down.....i could have told my vet the same thing and it would have worked.

[dhcrew]

I truly commend you for doing the right thing. I wasn't yelling, just stating. As for the at home euthanasia techniques & drugs, I would prefer that people didn't od their dogs are prescription pills. The dosages are not easy for the average person to figure out, & just like in people, you have a greater chance of the dog surviving several more days but suffering all the while due to organ damage & whatnot. Please don't do this....:(
i know mia and i wouldnt want anything like that to happen either, that is why i just took her down ther and lied to them...i didnt know what else to do. what i need to do is call around or go in to all the vets in my area and explain what and who i am and that sometimes i will have special needs and see if there is a vet willing to handle my special needs.

[rocksteady]

DH... the smartest thing you've ever done PLEASE dont stop there..keep going..