Thinking about it...

[crunK]

Well I may buy this white apbt pup but I'm not sure yet. I want your opinon guys...How does he look?

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[JEEP]

wheres his pedigrees??? and how much are they asking for him...

[crunK]

$150, no papers...

[Crash97]

It's a good looking pup, but ultimately the choices is yours. There are things to think about such as what you wish him to be working dog, couch warmer, etc.

Another thing to look at is the white coat color is supposedly more liable to be deaf due to the genes for both being closely related. So if the parents were bred together to produce white pups there is a greater chance of hereditary deafness.

[chainsoff]

I have a white one, it seems they are more prone to health issues. IMO, they are too much to deal with.

[SWAMPER]

White W Patches Is Ok But Most Solid White 1s Do Have Some Probs Not All But Some

[crunK]

I think she has some spots somewhere.

[pit stop]

with a mostly or all white pit bull you want to pay attention to the amount pigment visible....i.e. eyelids-pink or lined with pigment, skin spots the more, the more pigment,toe nails- clear or colored, roof of mouth- more dark spots= more pigment

I have had 3 pit bulls over the last 20+ years that were mostly white but all had some markings and showed plenty of skin pigments in the mentioned locations.

It seems that the fewer pigments the more predisposed the dog is to having the defects found to be common in white pit bulls.

For the record, other than some very minor skin issues on one leg with my current dog, none of my dogs showed the defects expected in white pits.


Pit Stop

[miakoda]

the decision is fully yours. If you like the dog, can picture the dog in your family & living in your house, & think you will be happy, then get it. Although you know most of our opinions on breeding dogs from unkown pasts, that shouldn't stop you from owning one (hopefully just make you think twice on breeding it;) ). Good luck with your decision, but like I said you'll know when you find the right one for you & everyones' "wants" in a bulldog are different so decide what YOU want & get it. After all, you will be the one playing with it & feeding it for the next 12 years.

[hawk]

$150, no papers...
If you are willing to own a pit bull with no papers why not just go to a rescue? I personally would not support a BYB.

[miakoda]

I personally would not support a BYB
I do have to agree there. We have a 10 mo. old white apbt/american bulldog mix for adoption (has a pit bull body, front legs just slightly bowed out but not bad, & a monstrous head!) he is a result of a byb who couldn't sell all his "apbt" pups so instead of spending any more money on food, he dropped them at the shelter

[JEEP]

if it was, i wouldnt buy the dog... why? because theres no paper, its not even a ABDA registered dog... i personally dont deal with dogs that arent ADBA reg. why dont you add a couple more hundred and buy a paper dog... like hawk said if you want one thats not paper go get a rescue one...

[crunK]

If you are willing to own a pit bull with no papers why not just go to a rescue? I personally would not support a BYB. Theres acouple of reasons why I want this pup, he already has his shots, his color, and I don't know where the pitbull rescue is at...Wouldn't you have to pay like 250 to ship it to you?

if it was, i wouldnt buy the dog... why? because theres no paper, its not even a ABDA registered dog... i personally dont deal with dogs that arent ADBA reg. why dont you add a couple more hundred and buy a paper dog... like hawk said if you want one thats not paper go get a rescue one... Sorry but I can't afford acouple of hundreds for a dog not to mention I have enough trouble paying for a car. Maybe you feel that dogs without a piece of papers are not good enough for you but to me they are just as good as any dogs, I don't want it to work I don't want it to fight I want a pitbull to be a family dog and kids play with it. You make it seem like you get apbts for show off or you want to fight them. People who are worried about papers are owners that want to make some quick cash off the breed or want to use them for shows or hog hunt.

[14rock]

He looks good. I would go check him/her out in person, if they have a good tempermant, and you like the personality, go for it. Also check the parents. I would go with a rescue dog personally if you arent going with papers, but its up to what YOU want, since it will be you who might possibly have this dog for 15 years. Remember, they are a life changing decision. Pitbulls require alot of time, but if you see yourself having the time and money to properly take care of the dog, then by all means do it. Just please dont breed him/her without papers, no matter how nice of a dog he is, there are way too many out there. The advantage to papers is just knowing the family history. Much rather have a nice dog w.o. papers then a bad dog with the best papers imaginable. Ya know? We also dont condone fighting pits, as it is illegal. But a good game bred dog will show you the best of this breed. A pit without some gameness is just any other dog. And remember, dont rush into it. You can always buy abpts' so dont settle on anything less than perfect(for you) because you wont be happy with it in the long run. Hope this helped you out a little. And be prepared with a white dog. Over 75 percent white dogs tend to carry alot of health problems with them. Good luck with whatever you decide!

[hawk]

Theres acouple of reasons why I want this pup, he already has his shots, his color, and I don't know where the pitbull rescue is at...Wouldn't you have to pay like 250 to ship it to you?

Sorry but I can't afford acouple of hundreds for a dog not to mention I have enough trouble paying for a car. Maybe you feel that dogs without a piece of papers are not good enough for you but to me they are just as good as any dogs, I don't want it to work I don't want it to fight I want a pitbull to be a family dog and kids play with it. You make it seem like you get apbts for show off or you want to fight them. People who are worried about papers are owners that want to make some quick cash off the breed or want to use them for shows or hog hunt.You state that you cannot afford a couple of hundred dollars for a dog. Maybe you should rethink getting a dog at this point in your life. The couple of hundreds of dollars is nothing when it comes to the true cost of pet ownership. I remember when I had to come up with $1400 to save my dog. This was about 8 years ago and she is still with me so it was worth it. I wish I could get out of the vet for under $300 dollars. If you are worried about money I think you should wait until you are at a point when you can truely afford it.

[swosprey]

I would be careful buying a dog that I knew nothing about. This is the type of breeding that has lead to problems with our breed. I would be careful.

[crunK]

You state that you cannot afford a couple of hundred dollars for a dog. Maybe you should rethink getting a dog at this point in your life. The couple of hundreds of dollars is nothing when it comes to the true cost of pet ownership. I remember when I had to come up with $1400 to save my dog. This was about 8 years ago and she is still with me so it was worth it. I wish I could get out of the vet for under $300 dollars. If you are worried about money I think you should wait until you are at a point when you can truely afford it.
Pet insurance at Petco :D $11 a month! $1 for the first month. Up to $1000 in coverage, you should look into that.


But unfurtunatly I have bad news, I just discovered I only have $100.00 because I did not work enough hours last week, I barely have enough to pay for my car, now I have to beg my parents for gas money for my car which consumes alot! I'm hoping I can come up with the rest of the money ($50) by Friday, which I think is going to be pretty hard considering I have to pay for phone bills and gas and food...Or if they could let him go for $100.

I also plan on spraying my female so they won't breed.

[badger]

what will you spray her with???

[badnews_VA]

if you don't think you can take care of the dog money wise then i would say wait, but if you think you can and that's the one you want then get it. don't worry about what everyone else says or thinks because it will be YOUR dog and not anyone elses. what you think and how you feel about the dog is the only thing that matters. as for papers, there are some people that know how their dogs are bred by keeping their own records, so everyone that sells puppies/dogs without papers are not BYB. a pitbull without papers is no different from a pitbull with papers, so that has nothing to do with the bad rep that was put on this breed. you can't blame a dog for the lack of teaching or wrong teaching that it was given by a bad owner. maybe all bad owners should be put to sleep for being so stupid. remember owning a pitbull (or any other breed) is the same as raising a child, it takes alot of time, alot of love, and alot of money. just keep these things in mind when you go to get your new pup, and the both of you will be ok. DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THINK!

[crunK]

what will you spray her with??? I sure hope you're not thinking spraying like shooting her with a water hose or water gun or something like that...If you are...Please end yourself and log off life and forum. If not then I meant spray her like you would neuter a male dog.

[rocksteady]

Its SPAY not SPRAY lol

have you thought about maybe fostering rescue dogs that are looking for new homes?? If you have the time and resources, there are always APBTs that need help finding a home

[JEEP]

if you cant even get enough money to feed your car (GAS) then i dont think your going to have enough money to feed your dog... and you said you wanted a family dog and stuff like that, i doesnt nescessary have to be a pitbull... rescues are everywhere, just call your humane society and they should be able to locate one for you... but the main thing is that if you dont even make enough money to support yourself, how are you going to support the dog and pay for the petco insurance thing... i dont want you to buy a dog and then have nothing to feed it, and let the dog end up skinny, then let animal control come and get the dog and fine you... you will be losing more money there then just waiting... but a paper dog is better then one that doesnt have any... just because a dog has paper doesnt mean were going to fight them, or breed them for money... we breed them for ourself, and sometimes we wont even sell any of the dogs we produce...

[crunK]

if you cant even get enough money to feed your car (GAS) then i dont think your going to have enough money to feed your dog... and you said you wanted a family dog and stuff like that, i doesnt nescessary have to be a pitbull... rescues are everywhere, just call your humane society and they should be able to locate one for you... but the main thing is that if you dont even make enough money to support yourself, how are you going to support the dog and pay for the petco insurance thing... i dont want you to buy a dog and then have nothing to feed it, and let the dog end up skinny, then let animal control come and get the dog and fine you... you will be losing more money there then just waiting... but a paper dog is better then one that doesnt have any... just because a dog has paper doesnt mean were going to fight them, or breed them for money... we breed them for ourself, and sometimes we wont even sell any of the dogs we produce... Did you not read what I posted? "I did not work enough hours last week." Because I went out of town, I don't support myself I live with my family and I only pay for my phone bill and car monthly, I can afford to pay for its insurance and food whether its 1 dog or 2 dogs.

Wow seriously you're going to keep liters of up to 8-9 dogs including the parents...I don't think there is a state out there that would allow to keep that many types of pet at the same time unless you have some license or something.

You know nothing of my financial background don't be so quick to make conclusions whether I can afford to help raise a dog or not.

Pitbull are said to have better temperment than Golden retrievers and that impresses me. Thats why I want pitbulls.

[JEEP]

hey iam not the one that is jumping to conclusion... iam just going off from what you posted... iam not trying to offend you or anything, just dont want you to fall in a wrong or bad path... and me keeping all the liter, yea i can keep all the liter... my brother owns a farm here in MN... thats why i keep them... yea i have about 6 dogs, and no i havent breed any of them yet, because its not the right time yet... and i might bot keep them all, but i would probably give them to friends and family that i trust and know that they can raise it without anything happening to the dog... ill never give or sell a dog to someone i think or know that is not going to give them a good home... id rather give it to the humane society then sell it to them... my dogs are more important then a couple hundres dollars... owning a dog is a big responsibility, its like taking care of your own kid... so iam just letting you know, not trying to put you down or offend you ok crunk, dont take it the wrong way...

[hawk]

[QUOTE=crunK]Pet insurance at Petco :D $11 a month! $1 for the first month. Up to $1000 in coverage, you should look into that.

QUOTE]

If it were only that easy. You should really look into that pet insurance because it does not cover much. And that $1400 was just he initial operation the follow up visits and medicine for the next 6 months were more that the operation. And now anything that happens is pre existing. I don't think you have dealt with insurance companies much. They don't want to cover things on humans let alone dogs. They will always try to find ways not to cover a claim. I'm not saying it's no good but if you think this is a cheap way to own dog you are mistaken.

[Rockstar]

"Wow seriously you're going to keep liters of up to 8-9 dogs including the parents...I don't think there is a state out there that would allow to keep that many types of pet at the same time unless you have some license or something."

You sound like my f***ing b***h neighbor. "You can't own that many dogs; the law won't allow it! You better get rid of them or I'm turning you in."
So I went out and got a few more. I've had 42 at one time. My great grandfather and a couple of his sons were feeding 120 (including pups) at one point. I have friends in Arkansas and Texas who have between 50-100 at any given time. Up here where I live it's $25 a year for a kennel license, $50 a year for a breeder's license, and $30 a year per dog.

As far as your 150-dollar white dog is concerned. I know people that would rather give someone a quality dog for free than see someone spend their money on some junk dog to be thrown right back into the breeding pool.

[crunK]

"Wow seriously you're going to keep liters of up to 8-9 dogs including the parents...I don't think there is a state out there that would allow to keep that many types of pet at the same time unless you have some license or something."

You sound like my f***ing b***h neighbor. "You can't own that many dogs; the law won't allow it! You better get rid of them or I'm turning you in."
So I went out and got a few more. I've had 42 at one time. My great grandfather and a couple of his sons were feeding 120 (including pups) at one point. I have friends in Arkansas and Texas who have between 50-100 at any given time. Up here where I live it's $25 a year for a kennel license, $50 a year for a breeder's license, and $30 a year per dog.

As far as your 150-dollar white dog is concerned. I know people that would rather give someone a quality dog for free than see someone spend their money on some junk dog to be thrown right back into the breeding pool. Shut up, I even said you need a license I'm saying if you don't have a kennel license most if not all states only allows you to only own up to about 3-5 dogs at once. And I didn't ask for you to come in here and tell me about your stupid dogs.

And read before you post please, I said I will spay my female so they don't breed. This dog, which "I might not get it", if I do, it will only be a family dog.

[Rockstar]

And papers... the chance of getting a bogus ped through the adba is almost as great as getting one from a BYB. I've had a couple of different litters for which the adba sent me wrong pedigrees for. I was thinking, "WOW, I wish these pups were bred that way!" Hell, I could have kept the papers and bs'ed a lot of people, just like many others are doing. Instead I quit registering my dogs altogether. I'm not gonna keep dishing out money to an organization that makes such colossal mistakes. Think what you want. If one only wants to deal in adba-registered dogs, then it's his/her loss. I offered 7000 for an unregistered dog a couple years ago, strictly based on this dog's performance. I was turned down flat. I certainly would have been willing to pay much more, had I been able to afford it. There is far too much emphasis on pretty papers nowadays. How many times have you all shown a picture of a dog and a pedigree, and you get responses such as "nice pedigree!" or "great ped!"??? Seems one could make much more money selling pedigrees than the actual dogs themselves. I care about how a dog is bred. Knowing a dog's lineage is essential to my breeding program. When a breeder tries to hand me registration papers, I tell him/her to keep them. If I didn't know how the dog was bred, I most likely wouldn't be buying it. I only deal with breeders I trust; registered dogs or not. I couldn't give a fat froggy's ass about the top breeders in the country. They're all breeding the same thing. Selling the same dogs to everyone with enough money. The only way to get an exceptional dog these days is to breed it yourself; or go through someone who isn't selling 100 pups a year because of pretty papers. I refuse to pay 500 bucks for a dog with pretty papers if I've never seen the parents work; or if the dog has 3000 siblings. Far too many people will though.

And do.

I'll pay big bucks for a pup with impressive parents and grandparents though. Not because it has a Ch before their name on the pedigree, but because I've personally seen what I want to see out of them... and I'm not easily impressed.

adba...pfffffffffft.

[Rockstar]

"I didn't ask for you to come in here and tell me about your stupid dogs."

Quite a chip on your shoulder there, crunk. You invited me in here when you asked for everyone's opinion. My opinion is based on experience. My experience is based on my dogs.

I wish you the best of luck with your 150-dollar backyard-bred albino cur. Hope he works out for you.

[Rockstar]

"I wish you the best of luck with your 150-dollar backyard-bred albino cur. Hope he works out for you."

Scratch that. It was a childish thing to say. It may be the best dog in the world for you. It isn't for me to judge.
Sincerely though, good luck, should you decide to buy.<!-- / message -->

[JEEP]

lol... hey if he wants that dog, let him get it oh wells... yea up here in MN my brother dont have a kennel liscense or anything... he just owns a farm with 24 acres and we just put our dogs there in the barn... well what can you say, it doesnt matter how many dogs you own... its the owners job to keep them feed and warm with shelter... i can have up to 1000 dogs and that wouldnt matter as long as i have enough space for them to live and enough food...

[hawk]

Pitbull are said to have better temperment than Golden retrievers and that impresses me. Thats why I want pitbulls.
This right here is the BEST arguement for papers!! You think people just want papers to breed or fight as you put it. But if these temperment tests impress you do you think the dogs they used were from BYB? Let me answer it for you NO. True game bred dogs were culled if they were man biters. Now how can you compare a dog that has been culled for hundreds of years against human agression to a guy that just takes two big headed dogs and puts them together? If you say this is why you want a pit bull, because of sound temperment then stay away from BYB's. If you go to a rescue at least the temperment test the dogs before they are adopted out.

Did you not read what I posted? "I did not work enough hours last week." Because I went out of town, I don't support myself I live with my family and I only pay for my phone bill and car monthly, I can afford to pay for its insurance and food whether its 1 dog or 2 dogs.
I think what you fail to realize is that ownership can and usually does cost more than just paying that pet insurance and food. I have looked into that insurance and it is not that good. It will usually help out on routine visits but what happens if your pet is really sick and you need to come up with a few hundreds of dollars to save him? I wish that the only costs would be food and a little insurance but that almost NEVER the case.

You know nothing of my financial background don't be so quick to make conclusions whether I can afford to help raise a dog or not.
We can only go by what you post. We may not know your exact financial background but most people here know the costs of ownership and I think people are just trying to give you advice. Because I think a lot of people can relate when you take your dog to the vet and something is wrong an you have to come up with way more that you anticipated.

[JEEP]

man you cares if he gets a papper or not... if he wants a stupid curr, then let him get one... remeber he said he wanted a family dog... just go get a black lab or german shepard...

[hawk]

man you cares if he gets a papper or not... if he wants a stupid curr, then let him get one... remeber he said he wanted a family dog... just go get a black lab or german shepard...
You have to understand he is not going to get a Lab or a GSD he will get an APBT which make perfect family dogs. But where he is making his mistake is going to a BYB because you will no nothing of the parents background. Just because this guy says it's a pit how does he know the grandparents were not man biting curs? He said he was impressed with how the perform in temperment test but he has to understand the dogs they are testing to form that data are not from BYB's. If he does not care about papers that's fine just go to a rescue because they at least they test the dogs before they get adopted.

What he is doing is like if he is looking to buy a car and his main concern is realiability so he is researching Honda's. He thinks it a great car and will serve his needs. It's time for him to buy his car and then when he goes out to pick one he looks at Yugo because he can get one cheap. That's the same thing with supporting BYB's

[badnews_VA]

man you cares if he gets a papper or not... if he wants a stupid curr, then let him get one... remeber he said he wanted a family dog... just go get a black lab or german shepard...
are you saying every unpapered dog is a cur? and why because he wants a family dog he can't have a pitbull? as long as he is a responsible owner i don't see the big deal. i mean this is a pitbull website so everyone here must love pitbulls or they wouldn't be here, breeder or not.

[hawk]

are you saying every unpapered dog is a cur? and why because he wants a family dog he can't have a pitbull? as long as he is a responsible owner i don't see the big deal. i mean this is a pitbull website so everyone here must love pitbulls or they wouldn't be here, breeder or not.
No I am not saying that EVERY unpapered dog is a cur? I know people will site GR CH 35 he difinately was not a cur though he did not produce as far as I know. The reason it's a big deal is that most of these so called pit bull (which a lot are mixes) that you see in the news almost always come from BYB's.

And when did I say a pit cannot be a family dog. I have kept them for family dogs for over 13 years. So please show me where I said that.

I have nothing against unpapered dogs if you read my post my only suggestion is go to a rescue. BYB's are destroying the breed so why support them.

[JEEP]

yea should just get a rescue dog like what hawk said if your going to get a dog that isnt paper...

[badnews_VA]

hawk, i wasn't responding to something you said, i was responding to 4thaveboyz

[JEEP]

all i have to say is get what ever dog you want crunk, as long as you know the responsibilities of owning a dog, and if you are going to be responsible for what he does, feed him/her and give him/her shelter thats all man... good luck with your dog though...

[hawk]

hawk, i wasn't responding to something you said, i was responding to 4thaveboyzI did not catch that, now I see.:o

[crunK]

Pitbull are said to have better temperment than Golden retrievers and that impresses me. Thats why I want pitbulls.
This right here is the BEST arguement for papers!! You think people just want papers to breed or fight as you put it. But if these temperment tests impress you do you think the dogs they used were from BYB? Let me answer it for you NO. True game bred dogs were culled if they were man biters. Now how can you compare a dog that has been culled for hundreds of years against human agression to a guy that just takes two big headed dogs and puts them together? If you say this is why you want a pit bull, because of sound temperment then stay away from BYB's. If you go to a rescue at least the temperment test the dogs before they are adopted out.

Did you not read what I posted? "I did not work enough hours last week." Because I went out of town, I don't support myself I live with my family and I only pay for my phone bill and car monthly, I can afford to pay for its insurance and food whether its 1 dog or 2 dogs.
I think what you fail to realize is that ownership can and usually does cost more than just paying that pet insurance and food. I have looked into that insurance and it is not that good. It will usually help out on routine visits but what happens if your pet is really sick and you need to come up with a few hundreds of dollars to save him? I wish that the only costs would be food and a little insurance but that almost NEVER the case.

You know nothing of my financial background don't be so quick to make conclusions whether I can afford to help raise a dog or not.
We can only go by what you post. We may not know your exact financial background but most people here know the costs of ownership and I think people are just trying to give you advice. Because I think a lot of people can relate when you take your dog to the vet and something is wrong an you have to come up with way more that you anticipated.
Direct me to a pitbull shelter within 30 miles from my house please. The insurance covers up to $1000 dollars of health problems, if it costs more than $1000 then I will pay for it, don't worry about my dogs, if you don't believe its a APBT, then I wouldn't be hurting your breed. As for food, I can afford to pay for 10 dogs food if I wanted to, its only what 8 dollars a big ass bag? My current pitbull puppy is well fed, want to see a picture? Give me a message. You are not giving advice, you're questioning me if I can handle taking caring of a animal, and I don't need it, please whore off my thread and go flame someone else. You don't have to believe me but I drove all the way to downtown Houston and went to the Houston Public Library just to find breed books and puppy books to learn about the APBT and taking care of a dog, I am determined to take care of my animals if I get them, I'm 19 almost 20 I'm pretty grown up and know how to make my own decisions and take care of my own responsibilities. Thank you.

[JEEP]

just go to your local humane society and ask them, iam pretty sure they should have some or send to to some place that have some...

[crunK]

just go to your local humane society and ask them, iam pretty sure they should have some or send to to some place that have some... I've checked, seems like everyones taking care of their apbts! :D

Theres none.

[JEEP]

search this forum more about rescue dogs... i remember seeing someone posts a website that has all the rescue pitbulls... its like a link that connects you to all the rescue dogs all over the states... just search the forum and check it out, you should find it, it wasnt that long ago... and are you still planning to get that dog you said you were... well whatever descision you make, good luck...

[crunK]

search this forum more about rescue dogs... i remember seeing someone posts a website that has all the rescue pitbulls... its like a link that connects you to all the rescue dogs all over the states... just search the forum and check it out, you should find it, it wasnt that long ago... and are you still planning to get that dog you said you were... well whatever descision you make, good luck... Thank you jeep, I will look into more of the rescue centers. Most likely yes I will get it, but whatever happens, everything will turn out good. I have another no papered apbt and she is the best dog I've ever had, quite alot of energy and loves to have fun. That is the main reason I decided to take in another one, and mines need a friend, thats why I want a puppy so they can grow up together.

[crunK]

Some what good news guys, I've talked to the seller, and she informs me that she is a certified vet tech and actually does research before buying (has 2 other adult pitbulls), she told me that both the parents of the pup is AKC registered as AM Staffs (possibly isn't approved by you guys) but that is no problem with me, she tells me that the pup would of costed her $600 with AKC registered papers for the liter, instead of the $200 she paid for. Whether this may be true or not, this is defiantly good news for me. She also tells me that his parents were stocky and somewhat short (muscular) which is AKC AM Staff material, and she did a hearing and sight test on him to make sure he doesn't have any issues like being deaf (because he is solid white) I will also going to check out the puppy when they bring it and look for skin problems and bone structure as well.

[Vador]

Cool crunk...no matter what, the dog needs a home better a responsible one then a irresponsible one.

[JEEP]

yea thats true, its going to cost more if you want to register the dog... i would, but thats totally up to the owner... good luck with the dogs and keep us posted...

[TooHotToTrot]

Crunk,

Just a thought and I'm not saying I have anything against the dog you are considering. You said you had young kids correct? If not then nevermind this whole post, but here are my thougts. You may want to consider adopting an older dog from a rescue because that way you already have a feel of the dogs temperment and how they are with kids. I realize that pups raised with kids are generally good with kids but are your kids going to be good with a puppy? Younger children don't realize that something that they are doing to the pup might be causing it pain or even causing a behavioral issue further on down the road. If you get a dog from a good rescue, I don't mean your local shelter, you have a very good chance of finding a dog that is mature and meshes well with your family. If it were me I would be very concerned about the temperment of any dog I was considering placing in the same enviroment as my children. Just think about rescue I promise there are good dogs in rescues. Good luck, I hope you make the right decicion for your family!

Jana

For recues in your area check out.... www.pbrc.net (http://www.pbrc.net/)

[Vador]

Good point toohot. But if there is a good parental unit consisting of ground rules and supervision as well as consistency then chances are it will turn out well allowing that for some odd reasons there are underlying behavioral problems. The goal is to have all pits adopted by good knowledgeble people, and those that are should never be questioned. Just by joining this site your a step ahead crunk

[miakoda]

thank you jeep, I will look into more of the rescue centers.
I work w/our pitbull rescue...American Pit Bull Terrier Rescue-Louisiana. Got to www.petfinder.com (http://www.petfinder.com) type in dog, pit bull...LA & click on pic preview. Check it out if actually considering adoption. Fees range from $75-125 which is more of a donation, but we aren't trying to recoup losses w/these funds, just bail out additional apbts from area rescues.

[dora]

i agree you have to becareful it might be mix...i know i have staffy/boxer pups which most of you know....and 3 of them look like that one..so becareful sometimes you can't tell...the first 2 pics are my lexie, the white with the solid black nose with a brown spot on top of her head is a female and the white with the eye patch is the male and he is hugh he is built like his grandpa...so you do have to becareful...

[hawk]

don't worry about my dogs, if you don't believe its a APBT, then I wouldn't be hurting your breed.
First off when did I say it was not an APBT? I did not even open your pics I was just reply to the text. You started this thread I didn't I am just giving you my opinion. And you will learn with this breed that when anything happens pure bred or not the APBT is blamed.

I can afford to pay for 10 dogs food if I wanted to, its only what 8 dollars a big ass bag?
Please do more research on nutrition everyone here will tell you this stuff is junk.

you're questioning me if I can handle taking caring of a animal, and I don't need it
If you feel I was coming down on you that was not the intention. I was giving my opinion on the thread that YOU started. It's not like I pm'd you a just started questioning you.

You don't have to believe me but I drove all the way to downtown Houston and went to the Houston Public Library just to find breed books and puppy books to learn about the APBT and taking care of a dog
Why wouldn't I believe you. When I was in my early 20's I had a subscription to the SDJ and the Gazette for two years before I even owned an APBT. I had all of Stratton's books and was on the waiting list for the forth. My phone bill around that time was around $150 a month just from calling breeders in the SDJ trying to learn more about them. I did this all before I owned one I think everyone should research why do you think I would doubt you went to the library.

All I ever suggested to you if you read my post was that if you don't care about papers then check into a rescue. I think it's funny that you thanked Jeep for this suggestion in post #44 that you should check into rescue centers when I suggested that on my 1st post #10. And the other thing I brought up was the hidden financial costs in owning a dog and the only reason I mentioned that was because you discussed how strapped you were at the moment.

[crunK]

don't worry about my dogs, if you don't believe its a APBT, then I wouldn't be hurting your breed.
First off when did I say it was not an APBT? I did not even open your pics I was just reply to the text. You started this thread I didn't I am just giving you my opinion. And you will learn with this breed that when anything happens pure bred or not the APBT is blamed.

I can afford to pay for 10 dogs food if I wanted to, its only what 8 dollars a big ass bag?
Please do more research on nutrition everyone here will tell you this stuff is junk.

you're questioning me if I can handle taking caring of a animal, and I don't need it
If you feel I was coming down on you that was not the intention. I was giving my opinion on the thread that YOU started. It's not like I pm'd you a just started questioning you.

You don't have to believe me but I drove all the way to downtown Houston and went to the Houston Public Library just to find breed books and puppy books to learn about the APBT and taking care of a dog
Why wouldn't I believe you. When I was in my early 20's I had a subscription to the SDJ and the Gazette for two years before I even owned an APBT. I had all of Stratton's books and was on the waiting list for the forth. My phone bill around that time was around $150 a month just from calling breeders in the SDJ trying to learn more about them. I did this all before I owned one I think everyone should research why do you think I would doubt you went to the library.

All I ever suggested to you if you read my post was that if you don't care about papers then check into a rescue. I think it's funny that you thanked Jeep for this suggestion in post #44 that you should check into rescue centers when I suggested that on my 1st post #10. And the other thing I brought up was the hidden financial costs in owning a dog and the only reason I mentioned that was because you discussed how strapped you were at the moment.
What will it be blamed for? My dogs are inside dogs, and in my city and I'm pretty sure the whole state of Texas, requires a leash on a dog whenever its outside being walked. Sorry I ignored your suggestion about the rescue, I did do research on it and there were only Boxers in my area up for adoption, but probably like 1 apbt which is already too big. What do you give your dogs as food?

[dora]

crunk i will have to agree with everyone here you don't need a dog...my god....like you said

But unfurtunatly I have bad news, I just discovered I only have $100.00 because I did not work enough hours last week, I barely have enough to pay for my car, now I have to beg my parents for gas money for my car which consumes alot! I'm hoping I can come up with the rest of the money ($50) by Friday, which I think is going to be pretty hard considering I have to pay for phone bills and gas and food...Or if they could let him go for $100.whats to say you won't have a bad week next week or the one after that...hell you live with your parents what about when you decide to move...it is hard to find places that allow pets...then what happens to the dog , your only 18 yrs old ...i think you need to get your life established before you decide to take on a major responcibility like owning a animal...irresponcible people is what started animal shelters....hell if your that lonely you need companion find you a boyfriend or a girlfriend...think of the animal before you think of yourself....that is the problem with some people especially younger generation you all think it is cool to own a pit...but that is all it is....they are like babys you have to take care of them and nurture them...and keep them out of harms way.....don't add another animal to the shelters list!!!!!!!!

[crunK]

crunk i will have to agree with everyone here you don't need a dog...my god....like you said

whats to say you won't have a bad week next week or the one after that...hell you live with your parents what about when you decide to move...it is hard to find places that allow pets...then what happens to the dog , your only 18 yrs old ...i think you need to get your life established before you decide to take on a major responcibility like owning a animal...irresponcible people is what started animal shelters....hell if your that lonely you need companion find you a boyfriend or a girlfriend...think of the animal before you think of yourself....that is the problem with some people especially younger generation you all think it is cool to own a pit...but that is all it is....they are like babys you have to take care of them and nurture them...and keep them out of harms way.....don't add another animal to the shelters list!!!!!!!!
I'm starting to wonder if you even read all the posts before you posted this, I said I was 19 almost 20 and why would my dogs go to the animal shelter they are inside dogs and when I walk them I use a chain leash so they can't get away from me, When I take them outside to potty I'm always there watching until they finished, I have an established life, I drive a very nice car, I have a girlfriend, I go to college, I live with a family that will help me with any financial problem if I go to them about it. I don't get pitbulls because I think they're "cool", thats not the thing at all, I don't take them outside my house and show them off or tell anyone "HEY I HAVE A PITBULL!" , I think of my puppys like if they are my real friend and they're not capable of taking care of themselves, so I have to take care of them. They stay inside, they are never alone outside unless if its my backyard and they run around and play and I'm watching from the window. I am just as responsible as anyone on this board with their dogs, pitbull or not. I know its a major responsibility at owning a dog because I raised one from a 6 week old puppy until he died at age 13 and half years old. This is not my first dog I've ever owned you know...I know the responsilbilites that will come with owning this dog along with my other apbt, and yes I am quite capable of handling them.

[hawk]

What do you give your dogs as food?I usually feed Eukanuba but after reading on this board and others I am going to try Canidae. There are some good threads about nutrition on this board. Here is a site that has some side by side comparisons on dogs being feed cheap food versus Canidae and Chicken soup for Dog Lover's Soul. Go to articles of interest then click on dog food. It is a very good site they have a lot of info on this site. Good luck in your research http://www.highoutputkennels.com/

[dora]

is it a apbt
Well I may buy this white apbt pup but I'm not sure yet. I want your opinon guys...How does he look?

http://img143.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img...dsc003586us.jpg (http://img143.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img143&image=dsc003586us.jpg)
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or a amstaff
she told me that both the parents of the pup is AKC registered as AM Staffs (possibly isn't approved by you guys) but that is no problem with me, she tells me that the pup would of costed her $600 with AKC registered papers for the liter, instead of the $200 she paid for. Whether this may be true or not, this is defiantly good news for me. She also tells me that his parents were stocky and somewhat short (muscular) which is AKC AM Staff material
make up your mind
I said I was 19 almost 20
your birthday says may 10,1986...which says to me that you will be 19
I'm starting to wonder if you even read all the posts before you posted this
i was wondering the same thing about you why because you wrote this
why would my dogs go to the animal shelter they are inside dogs
i stated....irresponcible people is what started animal shelters...so maybe you should go back and read my post....i sure as heck don't understand this statement
I raised one from a 6 week old puppy until he died at age 13 and half years old
you were 6 when you started raising this pup....o i bet responciblity set in there then..uh!
Hi, I am new to Pit bulls and the Pit bull community, I don't know much about breed or the bloodlines. I have recently purchased a American Pitbull Terrier puppy, shes 4 weeks old. I'm not sure if a Pit bull is suppose to look like this
i also found this in a thread you wrote...(new puppy)....i am a little confused on the i raised a pitbull thing you wrote...no wait i ain't confused you are...lol
I know the responsilbilites that will come with owning this dog along with my other apbt, and yes I am quite capable of handling them.
that is even scaryer that you own more than one...i don't really think you are capable of understanding....if you really want to help this breed....you really need to sit back and think of what responcibility really is and what maturity means....

[dora]

listen to what hawk is saying.......and what you replyed....unfortunutly....pet insurance doesn't cover much.....just think what if your dog got out of the back yard today and a truck drove by and hit her...and did a conciderable amount of damage...it would runn you at the vet about like what hawk said and what would you do then...like you said your check was only 100$....and you have to beg for money for gas from your parents...a couple of bucks for gas is a big difference from a couple of hundred for a vet bill....think man think....
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You state that you cannot afford a couple of hundred dollars for a dog. Maybe you should rethink getting a dog at this point in your life. The couple of hundreds of dollars is nothing when it comes to the true cost of pet ownership. I remember when I had to come up with $1400 to save my dog. This was about 8 years ago and she is still with me so it was worth it. I wish I could get out of the vet for under $300 dollars. If you are worried about money I think you should wait until you are at a point when you can truely afford it.

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Pet insurance at Petco :D $11 a month! $1 for the first month. Up to $1000 in coverage, you should look into that.


But unfurtunatly I have bad news, I just discovered I only have $100.00 because I did not work enough hours last week, I barely have enough to pay for my car, now I have to beg my parents for gas money for my car which consumes alot! I'm hoping I can come up with the rest of the money ($50) by Friday, which I think is going to be pretty hard considering I have to pay for phone bills and gas and food...Or if they could let him go for $100.

[crunK]

The subject has been brought up many times before on this thread and in the media many times whether a APBT is a AM Staff or not. The lady that is selling them considers them to be Pitbulls either way just because a registery would not allow the name "Pit" in a name. This IS IN HER OPINON. (Everyone has their own.) When i first made this thread, I thought it was a APBT by the picture, so I posted APBT. But later on I soon found out from the seller after getting in contact with her that it was from AM Staff, Dam and Sire.

1986 is not my real birthday year, you can believe me or not either way I am over 18 and considered to be an adult in the state of Texas.

Correct, you did state that "irresponsible people created animal shelters", but you also asked me to "don't add another animal to the shelter's list", meaning you consider me to be irresponsible.

The puppy I raised was a Rottweiler not a APBT. Did I say it was a Pitbull? NO! I said, "I know the responsibilities in owning a dog, I owned one from 6 weeks til he died at age 13 and half years old." NO WHERE DID I SAY, "I RAISED A PITBULL FROM 6 WEEKS TO 13 AND HALF YEARS OLD!" Time for you to stfu and stay out if you are not going to give me opinon on the puppie's looks.

I said, "I'm new to the Pitbull breed and Pitbull Community", yes I was right that thread was made over 2 months ago. After reading what others had to say about the responsibilites in raising a Pitbull, I quickly went to the Houston Library, which took me 45 minutes to get there, and sign up and check out puppy books and breed books, so I can learn more about it. Sounds like responsibilities being taken care of to me!

You're the one to talk about helping a breed HUH!?!?!? LOL! You stated youself you have a liter of "AM Staff/ Boxer Mix", Wow good job on the breeding, I hope you took your responsibilites in spaying the male so it doesn't get the dam pregnant. NOPE YOU DIDN'T! Now you got a bunch of muts running around the world, I hope you don't become a BYB and tell the buyers they are full APBT or AM Staff, or are you going to raise a whole liter plus the dam and sire? Good luck!

Listen to what you're saying...You can't comphrehend on reading the thread title, I'm asking for help not your smart ass remarks. I make around $830+ every paycheck which comes in at the end of every 2 weeks, I did not say I make $100.00 a paycheck. LOL! You're literally putting words into my mouth. My car payment is $460.28 every month, around $100.00 of gas money for a week and half. Food cost is around $80.00 per week because I go out to eat alot. And my cell phone bill is around $60.00, that leaves me with about ~$100.00 (which is the $100 I was talking about.)

I said if the cost for the vet is more than $1000.00 I will cover it, wheter I if I need to ask my parents for a loan or take it out my savings account or use a credit card. Again I know my responsibilites and I will take care of them.

[dora]

I owned one from 6 weeks til he died at age 13 and half years old." NO WHERE DID I SAY, "I RAISED A PITBULL FROM 6 WEEKS TO 13 AND HALF YEARS OLD!"
yes you did in post 56#>>>I know its a major responsibility at owning a dog because I raised one from a 6 week old puppy until he died at age 13 and half years old.it may not say pitbull but you never said anything different so i was to assume it was sence we are in a pitbull forum.....go figure
and as for me being irresponcible maybe you should go to my profile and look up all the post i have done and read why i have amstaff/boxer mix puppies its not no secret...lol....i don't own the male boxer that breed my dog...hmmm...and it wasn't an intentional breeding...and yes i do have some mutt runnin around in here and as i have said before and prolly will again i am having my female spayed and the pup i am keeping for my self will be spayed and hopefull soon i will have a rescue up here.....and also you don't spay males you neuture them...i do read and comprehend this thread and it is in my oppion that you are to irresponcible to own a dog at this point in time...but that is my oppion....and hopeful some of this makes you think...you have stated financal problems in here...Sorry but I can't afford acouple of hundreds for a dog not to mention I have enough trouble paying for a car
you were the one who stated that yourself.....and also because you drive somewhere to read a book doesn't make you responcible....my oppion of your irresponcibility came from your posts....

[dora]

and as for the may 10th 1986 you are the one who put that on your profile...i would change it if it is wrong!!! so there are no misconceptions...hmmm

[TooHotToTrot]

Crunk,

Just another thought. You said that you walk them on a "chain leash"? Exactly what did you mean by this? If you have them on the cheapy metal leads that you get at petco or something, I would reconsider using this type of lead. If your pittie lunges on the lead the little S hook at the top of the lead can and WILL break and then bye bye puppers..... I recomend using just the regular 4 or 6ft. nylon leads. Even your dog is trained to loose leash walk this can still happen. Just FYI. So whats the story did you get your puppers yet?????

Jana:D

[crunK]

Yes, I got him. He's pretty well behaved, and has a feet fetish...He also listens and knows commands already, I'm glad I got him. Wow Am Staffs are hugee!

[Rockstar]

I use the bungee-type horse cross ties for leashes. They work great. They are elastic and practically unbreakable. You can get them at most feed stores for 8 or 9 bucks, with bull snaps already on the end. I've never found anything that works better.

http://img140.exs.cx/img140/2586/crosstiesbungiecords8nl.jpg

[Rockstar]

http://img205.exs.cx/img205/5795/rockstarshannibalsmallerversio.jpg

One of mine on a cross tie.

[dora]

so does the bungie help with the lunging????

[Rockstar]

Absolutely!