while walkin pits........

[BazookaJoe]

OK i have a question i live in TX and I'm and experienced APBT owner when i walk my boy flip and when my other friends walk our dogs, sometime stray dogs or dogs from some idiots that let there dogs run loose and leave there gates open will run out to the street and try and either bite me and my friends or our dogs.My boy LIL FLIP is very protective of me, and is very animal aggressive so when the dogs come out he dosen't waste a second to jump in front of me and attack the the dog. I wanted to know if there is anyway i could get in trouble for walkin my dog on a leash minding my own busniness and some rott or big wanna be pit bull mutt runs out after us andmy dog defends us. My dog has already bitten 2 people that tryed to fight be so they could steal my dog.And when we walk puppies lots of peopel will stop and ask if we will sell them,, and everytime it happens my friends get a lil nervious because his dog won't attack peopel if threatened. well i just really wanted to now if there was a way i could get in trouble if my dog where to attack another dog defending me, my mom told me to buy a tread mill but i like to walk them by hand much more. well thanks in advance for your responces.

Spencer,

[JEEP]

I Dont Know, Anything Is Possible... If You Dont Have The Evidence, What Can You Say... They Can Say That Your The One That Did All That (obvious You Own A Pit)... I Dont Know I Would Just Stay Away From All That Walking Stuff, Or Do It Somewhere Else... Try Getting A Mill...

[APBT]

I got that problem too because i live right near the city and all these dogs running up are gona get killed and i don't wana get my dog taken away because of someone elses mutt.

[JEEP]

Well Thats When The Mill Comes In... I Have Problems Like That Too... Cops Following Me, Watching What Iam Going To Do... I Got Tired Of That So I Just Went And Got Me A Mill...

[pitty0250]

If your dog is an a leash an some other dog run's up to you, then the owner of the unleashed dog is at fault.... My Brother has an Akita and boy he does not like other male dogs. On one his dog attacked an other dog and the other occasion a drunk man. On the first occation he was walking his dog in the park and an unleashed german sheppard was running aound. My brother told the owners to leash their dog and the said " Oh don't worry our dog won't hurt yours" my brother then replied "i'm not worried about your dog!" needless to say the dog came right for my brothers dog, the got into it and my brothers Akita caused sevier damage to their dog. They then freaked out and called the cops. My brother already new they were at fault. So when the cops showed up they told the two men that they better seek medical attention fast for there dog and my brother walked home.
Now the second occation my brother again was walking his dog (leashed og corse) and a drunk man was walking by and then desided that he was going to run up to the dog to play (I guess). my brother told him that thats not a smart thing to do with any dog that you do not know. They then got into an arguement and the man desided to pull the dogs tail and then the dog turned and bit the mans arm. Again the cops where called and the man was at fault.
Now that is how it is in canada as far as the states I do belive that it is the same but it may vary from state to state. Check with your city humane society.

[BazookaJoe]

Thanks For The Info And Jeep You Got A Bad Azz Signature Pic. Scareface Is The Man. But Back To The Origanal Topic I Say If My Dog Is Leashed There Is A Leash Law So If Some Idoit Leaves There Gate Open And They Know There Dog Is Aggreessive And It Comes Out And My Dog Tears Him A New One It All There Fault For Leavint He Gate Open, And By He Time The Cops Get There I'd Be Gone, Not My Fault My Dog Was Just Defending Me. That What I Told The Cops When A Guy That Used To Be My Friend But Broke Into My Garage And Stole Some Stuff Then We Had Beef Ever Sence Then, So One Day He Ran Up On Me And You Know When Somebody Is Gonna Hit You So I Told Him To Wait And Let Me Chain My Dog Up So We Can Settle All The Bull Sh*t With Our Fists, But He Didn't Listen And Sucker Punched Me But I Moved And He Hit My Shoulder Once He Hit Me My Dog Bite His Ankle/calf And Wouldn't Let Go, And That Dude Was Screamin And Yellin His Ass Off, So I Hooked The Link To The Fence And Just Left Him There And Told Him Look What Happens When Ya Fu*ck With Me, And Then His Brother Ran Over There And Stomped My Dog Flip In The Head To Get Him To Let Go And It Took 3 Stomps To Get Him Off And I Let Him Stomp Him Off Just So That When He Finished And My Dog Let Go I Punched The Sh*t Outta Him For Kickin My Dog, Then His Parents Came And A Whoel Bunch Of Sh*t Happend Cops Came And I Had To Show Proff Or Rabies Shot And I Had 4 Witneses Sayin What Happened. So Now When Ever They See Me They Know Nto To Mess With Me Or My Dog. Put When It Comes Tothose Cops Or Aspca Mofo's That Hate Pits All I Got To Say To Them Is Fu*ck You!!!!!!! But Thanks For All The Info. Peace

Spencer,

[JEEP]

hey but you own a pit... your neighbors dont... so just think about it, who are the cops going to believe... someone with a pit, or someone with a golder retriever?

[The Watcher]

Put When It Comes Tothose Cops Or Aspca Mofo's That Hate Pits All I Got To Say To Them Is Fu*ck You!!!!!!!
That won't work, when it comes to ur doggie being invalved in a street scuffle the finger will be pointed at ur pit. Besides, why subject him to that anyhow? Why not find a better place to walk him? If it were me I would rather not talk to the cops.....

[XxKonnectionsxX]

Yeh I have the same problem now. I can't even walk my dog at the park anymore. I have to take her somewhere else. The cops are always over there watching me and now the animal control cruise through there. So now I'm aparanoid as hell. I'll just have to find another spot to go to. Oh well...

[Blitzkrieg]

Thanks For The Info And Jeep You Got A Bad Azz Signature Pic. Scareface Is The Man. But Back To The Origanal Topic I Say If My Dog Is Leashed There Is A Leash Law So If Some Idoit Leaves There Gate Open And They Know There Dog Is Aggreessive And It Comes Out And My Dog Tears Him A New One It All There Fault For Leavint He Gate Open, And By He Time The Cops Get There I'd Be Gone, Not My Fault My Dog Was Just Defending Me. That What I Told The Cops When A Guy That Used To Be My Friend But Broke Into My Garage And Stole Some Stuff Then We Had Beef Ever Sence Then, So One Day He Ran Up On Me And You Know When Somebody Is Gonna Hit You So I Told Him To Wait And Let Me Chain My Dog Up So We Can Settle All The Bull Sh*t With Our Fists, But He Didn't Listen And Sucker Punched Me But I Moved And He Hit My Shoulder Once He Hit Me My Dog Bite His Ankle/calf And Wouldn't Let Go, And That Dude Was Screamin And Yellin His Ass Off, So I Hooked The Link To The Fence And Just Left Him There And Told Him Look What Happens When Ya Fu*ck With Me, And Then His Brother Ran Over There And Stomped My Dog Flip In The Head To Get Him To Let Go And It Took 3 Stomps To Get Him Off And I Let Him Stomp Him Off Just So That When He Finished And My Dog Let Go I Punched The Sh*t Outta Him For Kickin My Dog, Then His Parents Came And A Whoel Bunch Of Sh*t Happend Cops Came And I Had To Show Proff Or Rabies Shot And I Had 4 Witneses Sayin What Happened. So Now When Ever They See Me They Know Nto To Mess With Me Or My Dog. Put When It Comes Tothose Cops Or Aspca Mofo's That Hate Pits All I Got To Say To Them Is Fu*ck You!!!!!!! But Thanks For All The Info. Peace

Spencer,People like this make me feel very confident that we will win the battle against BSL :D (that was said with overflowing amounts of sarcasm for all of you slow ones reading this)

Seriously, you are the type of person who should not be allowed to own a pit bull. I walk my dog everywhere, literally, I have no car. (come on people it was another joke) I really do walk my dog everywhere, residential areas, commercial areas and in the woods. Guess how many times I have had a problem with stray dogs rushing me and attacking my dog? Come on, take a guess. Once. Just one time has a dog actually been brave enough to approach my dog and I while out on a walk, and after a brief yell and quick stomp towards the approaching dog, the dog ran off and nothing happened. By allowing your dog to constantly be attacked by strays you are showing your dog that you are an inadequate alpha, and completely uncapable of keeping your dog out of bad situations. Your dog is going to realize that you are not a good pack leader and your dog is going to become nervous, anxious, and always on edge because of your poor leadership ability. Now, this may or may not result in your dog becoming a fear biter, but it definately does not look good, and if your dog does become a fear biter, not only will it be a danger to other animals, but more than likely humans also. I would advise that you start acting like a responsible owner and stop allowing this to happen, or else you are going to end up losing your dog.

[Saiyagin]

Blitzkrieg seriously you are the type of person who lives in his own reality. You must be one of those well to do people that live in the Suburbs where every thing is peachy keen. There is a leash law and its not our fault if the other dog is loose we cant control other peoples dogs but we can control our own. As for being attack just once you mustve been lucky try coming to my neighborhood and walk your dog both you and your dog would of gotton mauld and then you can blame yourself for being a iresponsible owner lol...

[waters]

I Walk My Dog Everywhere As Well. I Suggest Carrying A Break Stick. I Know Some Police Officers With Some Good Blooded Pits And They Told Me As Long As My Dog Is On A Leash And I Did My Best To Control My Dog With Out Endagering Myself, Then There Is No Problem. I Have The Problem Of Dogs Running Loose Up Here I Just Try And Stick To The Areas Where I Think Most Animals Will Not Be Loose. Good Luck.

[powder925]

usally the pit will always be blamed even if it is the pit that is the one on the leash.its sad but true.I was the victim of this last summer when a lab twice the size of my dog Rusty came up and when my dog almost rip its ear off I was the one that ended up having to plea with the cops that it wasn't my dogs fault.the owners of the lab acually thought I should pay the vet bill for the stitchs..........can you believe that shit?seems I am the only person around my area that thinks this is not my fault.Do you think this would have been the same reaction if Rusty was also a lab?

[BazookaJoe]

What You Don't Under Stand Is That Over Here Everybody And There Brother Has Pits When Yo Stomp At A Pit Runnin Outta Open Gate With One Thing On His Mind And That Is To Fight Your Dog I Woudl Love To See Your Monkey Azz Yell Stop And Watch You Get Ya Arm Ripped Off. You Act Like I Want My Dog To Get Into Street Fights. When Lil Dogs Come Out I Pull My Dog Away And Tell Him No I Don't Want Him To Kill A Lil Dog, But When A Big Pit,bulldog,rott, Type Dog Comes Out They Not Scareed Of People Or My Dog, They Wanna Fight So Why Pull My Dog Away When All That Does Is Give The Other Dog A Clear Shot At Bittin My Dog, I Let My Dog Handle His Business And Most Of The Time When The Other Dog Gets Bitten It Iwll Run Off Crying. And If Not I Where A Size 12 Boot And I'll Kick The Sh*t Outta Teh Other Dog Or Stab It Iwht My Knife Anything. Peopel Are Not Reluctent To Call The Cops Over Here. When Stuff Happens We Take Care Of It Our Selfs.

[JEEP]

like i said... just get a mill and everything will be solved...

[BazookaJoe]

The Mill Is True But Why Pay 200 For A Carpet Will And Have The Risk Of Overworking Them Or Pay Like A G For A Slat Mill, I'd Rather Walk My Dog On The Street, But Them Dawm Loose Dogs Are A Problem. I Got An Acre Of Land And Afte Rmy Dog Got In A Fight With A Big Mastiff/pit Mix I Used Ot Wlak Him In The Yard But That Get Sold And Boring, I Liek To Get Out And Walk Him On The Streets To Toughen Up His Pads And Get His Muscles Workin, But After This Pos Ti'm Gona Rpolly Goo Ut An Dget A Carpet Mill So His Muscles Get Get More Defintion And Toned To Them.

[powder925]

Whats this supposed to mean?
[QUOTE= This Pos Ti'm Gona Rpolly Goo Ut An Dget [/QUOTE]

[GrChPitBitch]

DO I SMELL A SNITCH???
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Anyway, I know how Bazooka feals... EVERYONES dogs run loose were I live... (I live in the sticks) but mine are the only ones that have been popped for running loose... and I have called the ASPCA multiple times about the neighbors cocker spaniel... and that thing bit me!!


People like this make me feel very confident that we will win the battle against BSL :D (that was said with overflowing amounts of sarcasm for all of you slow ones reading this)

Seriously, you are the type of person who should not be allowed to own a pit bull. I walk my dog everywhere, literally, I have no car. (come on people it was another joke) I really do walk my dog everywhere, residential areas, commercial areas and in the woods. Guess how many times I have had a problem with stray dogs rushing me and attacking my dog? Come on, take a guess. Once. Just one time has a dog actually been brave enough to approach my dog and I while out on a walk, and after a brief yell and quick stomp towards the approaching dog, the dog ran off and nothing happened. By allowing your dog to constantly be attacked by strays you are showing your dog that you are an inadequate alpha, and completely uncapable of keeping your dog out of bad situations. Your dog is going to realize that you are not a good pack leader and your dog is going to become nervous, anxious, and always on edge because of your poor leadership ability. Now, this may or may not result in your dog becoming a fear biter, but it definately does not look good, and if your dog does become a fear biter, not only will it be a danger to other animals, but more than likely humans also. I would advise that you start acting like a responsible owner and stop allowing this to happen, or else you are going to end up losing your dog.

[BazookaJoe]

Hey Powder I Ment To Type After Readin This Post And All The Sh*t It Causein Just Gonna Go Ahead And Get A Mill, I Can't Type For Chit When I Try And Type Fast.

[powder925]

I also live out in the sticks and it only seems to be a problem when my dogs bite another dog........and my dogs are never running lose





DO I SMELL A SNITCH???




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Anyway, I know how Bazooka feals... EVERYONES dogs run loose were I live... (I live in the sticks) but mine are the only ones that have been popped for running loose... and I have called the ASPCA multiple times about the neighbors cocker spaniel... and that thing bit me!!

[powder925]

lol,just buggin you manHey Powder I Ment To Type After Readin This Post And All The Sh*t It Causein Just Gonna Go Ahead And Get A Mill, I Can't Type For Chit When I Try And Type Fast.

[BazookaJoe]

What Yall Thoughs On Breedin To A Talented Dog That Dosen't Have Papers Or Is From And Is From And Unknow Back Ground As In Not Knowing His Bloodline?

[miakoda]

If you're dog's on a leash & the other dog is off leash, it will be the owner of the other dog at fault if something happens. If it goes all the way to court, that's what the judge will say. However, there would probably be a lot of negative publicity though. The issue you need to think about is your dogs safety as well. One day a bigger, badder dog will come along (yes they do exist;) ) & could possibly hurt your dog. While we know our dogs will defend us if necessary, there is only so much they can do. If a pack of 5 large dogs jumps you & your dog, you have to think realistically. Although I believe it is everyone's right to walk their own dog (on a leash of course) down their own street, but sometimes shit happens & you can't. I have the same problem, but it's the little dogs that everyone lets run loose. As for the people-biting problem, you better have damn good evidence or be very convincing that someone was trying to harm you for you to not be held liable.

[GrChPitBitch]

My dogs arent aloud to run loose, but have they gotten out before, yes... they have gone through windows, opend the front door (dont ask me how, i wasnt home....) etc... All I know is that I am the only one in my neighborhood that has gone to court over dogs running loose.... prob cuz they are vicious blood thirsty pit bulls... but....

[BazookaJoe]

Yeah Them Lil Dogs Can Fit Threw The Fences And They Will Run After He Tryin To Bite My Ankle, It Hell Tryin To Hodl My Dog Back To Keep Him From Eatin The Lil Ankle Biters. But I Know Them Bigger Badder Dogs Exsist Cuz Last Time I Was At The Park( I Don't Go There Anymore Cuz To Many Lil Dumb Kids That Don't Listen When You Sya No He Bites, And Too Mnay Loose Dogs) And A Big Mastiff Lookin Dog Like 110# Cam Eup To My 50# Pit, Flip Didn't Get Scareed He Went Afte Rthat Big Boy, But I Sure Was Scarred For Him But After Flip Bit Him In The Chest And Locked On His Shoulder, That Dog Went To Yellpin And Hollering. And By Lock, I Don't Mean That Bs About Pit Lockin There Jaw When I Say Lock I Mena He Bite Downa Nd Didn't Wanan Let Go, Liek He Was Locke Doh Him I Just Pulle Dhim Back With The Leash, Until He Tried Ot Get A Better Grip And Yanke Dhim Back And That Big Dog Took Off Running. He Sure Did Cure Him Out. Lol.

[JEEP]

yea i think i smell one too....

[Rockstar]

I'm 100% behind Blitz on this one. Joe, you have some learning to do. If you don't start using your head, you're not only going to lose your dog, but you might even be the reason that other owners of this breed in your area lose their dogs as well.

I'll say to you what I said to the other guy with this "problem":
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?p=25832#post25832

The only difference is, because you display a whole other level of ignorance, I feel the urge to flame. You're flirting with disaster, Joe. Dumbasses like you are the precise reason that this breed was outlawed in the last town I lived. You seem like the type who use these dogs as accessories to your "tough guy" image. You go around fighting with people and stabbing dogs... all the while parading your "pit" around with this "don't mess with me" attitude. You are my enemy, Joe. You have no idea what these dogs are about; no idea what it is that makes this breed so great. How many times you been locked up, Joe? Not that I have anything against criminals owning these dogs, as long as they're responsible. You take your "biting" dog to places where "dumb" little kids are present - oh, forgive me, you don't do that anymore. To take your admitted people-aggressive dog to a park around little kids in the first place is an act of utter stupidity. So your boy went "right after" that big mastiff, huh? Wow, you have a special dog there. How did it make you feel when he clamped down on that big cur? Pretty proud, yeah?
"... That Big Dog Took Off Running. He Sure Did Cure Him Out. Lol."

Yeah...lol.

I'm not normally one to make insults, Joe, but in this case I just can't help myself. You are a detriment to this breed, which I so love. I have a strong feeling that I'll be reading about you and your dog in the news someday. Right under the "Pitbull Attacks..." headlines.

If I am wrong, someone please point it out to me.

BTW, Joe, if you feel the need to grow up and educate yourself about this breed; decide to take a little more responsibility with your dog, then I have your back. But if your idea of education is "If my dog beats the **** out of another dog that is off-leash in a public area, can I get in trouble?" Then go blow yourself, Bazooka. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Dpres1]

Sorry, my head hurts from trying to decifer all this gibberish. Be responsible! If you know your dog is aggressive towards other dogs then you probably shouldn't bring it to the dog park or whatever. It's probably a little late for socialization. Walk him at night. That's what I do.
As far as breeding a "talented" dog with no known pedigree, please don't. Not just because he doesn't have papers or whatever, it's just you're a complete friggin' moron. I'm just basing that on what you have "written" and what I've tried so very hard to read. I am not insulting you as a person.

Rockstar, you deserve a beer.

[Rockstar]

Question: Are you the same 18-year-old Bazooka Joe out of Houston, Texas?

[BazookaJoe]

AIGHT FIRST OFF YALL GOT ME ALL WRONG!!!!!!, i'M NOT SOME STUPID LIL PUNK WITH A PIT TO LOOK BAD ASS, I DON'T GO AROUND LOOKIN FOR DOGS TO FIGHT WIHT MY DOG,, AND I DO WALK MY DOG AT NIGHT WHEN POSSIBLE, TO KEEP DOWN ON THE DOGS BEING OUT BUT WHEN IT IS COLD AT NIGHTS HERE IN HOUSTON I W ULD RATHER WALK THEM DURING THE DAY, AND YE SI'M THE SAME BAZOOKA JOE FROM HOUSOTN TEXAS THAT WA SON PITDOGS.ORG AND GAMEDOGS.COM AND THE GARNER BOARD YOU THINK I'M JUST SOME DUMB KID BUT I KNOW WAY MORE THAN YOU THINK I KNOW. wHAT I'M DOIN WIHT MY DOGS IS NOT GOIN TO AFFECT AND BSL LAW BEING PASSED, I WOULD SAY 65% OF THE PEOPEL IN MY NEIGBOOR HOOD HAVE APBTS OR SOEM OTHER KIND OF BULLY BREED OR GUARD DOG TYPE, AND I KNOW NOT TO TAKE MY DOGS TO PLACES WHERE THERE ARE GOIN TO BE LOTS OF OTHER DOGS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA WALK ALL THE WAY BACK AROUDN MY BLOCK JUST BECUASE THERE IS A LOOSE DOG ON THE STREET I'M WALKIN ON, I THROW ROCKS AT THE MUTTS AND SHIT SO MY DOG DOSEN'T BITE THEM . I'M TALKIN ABOUT THE OTHER DOG AGGRESSIVE DOGS THAT GET OUT AND ROAM THE STREETS THAT RUN UP TO ME AN MDY DOGS AND TRY AND START SHIT, IF THERE IS A PIT BULL AND IT RUNS UP TO YOU AND TRYS TO ATTACK YOU WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TURN AROUND AND RUN?? MANY DOGS BIT EYOU AS SOON A SYOU TURN YOUR BACK, I YELL AT THEM AND THRWO ROCKS AND STICKS AND WHEN THEY DON'T LEAVE THEN WHAT ELSE THERE TO DO I PULL MY DOG BACK AND TELL HIM NO BUT WHEN THE OTHER DOG BITES MY DOG I'M NOT GONNA GO IN THERE WITH MY BRAKIN SHIT AND GRAB A DOG THAT IS NOT MINE AND TRY AN DGET IT OFF MY DOG BECAUS EI LEARNED MY LESSON THAT IS HOW YOU GET BITTIN. BEST THING TO DO IS WALK BAVK AND IF THE DOG CHARGES FORWARD LET THE CHAIN LOSE DOWN AND MY DOG WILL CHARGE AT IT AN DMOST OF THE TIEM THE OTHER DOG GETS SCARED AND RUNS. BUT I HAVE HAD ON 3 OCCASIONS DOG SNOT BACK DOWN AND GRAB ONTO MY DOG AND THEY STARTED TO FIGHT INT HE STREET. I DIDN'T WANT TIT TO HAPPEN AN DNEITHER DID THE TOHER OWNER WHO RAN OUT AND GRABBED HIS DOG, AN DI GRABBED MIEN AND WE SEPERATED THEM, WAS NOT MY FAULT IT WAS HIS FOR LEAVIN HIS GAT EOPEN, ALL THE DOGS HAD WHERE SOME MINOR PUNTOR WOUDS THAT I TOOK CARE OF, AND WE WAS BACK TO NORMAL. I DON'T LIV EIN NO WHITE SUBURB NEIGHBOOR HODD WHERE WHEN SOME LIL DOG FIGHT HAPPENS PEOPEL CALL THE COPS EVERYONE OVER HERE KNOWS WHAT PIT BULLS WHERE BREED TO DO AND THAT IS TO FIGHT AND TO BE A COMPANION AND PROTECT THERE OWNER, WHY CALL THE COPS WHEN THE DOGS DO WHAT THEY MENT TO DO. DO YOU CALL THE COPS WHEN A BEAGLE TREES A RACCOON OR A GREY HOUNDS RUNS DOWN THE STREET. I DON'T THINK SO,I DON'T GOOUT LOOKIN FOR A FIGHT WITH MY DOG BUT DOGS IN MY NEIGHBOOR HOOD ARE AGGRESSIVE AND TRY AND BITE EITHE RME OR MY DOG, AND MY DOG IS ON A LEASH AND HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT ME. I'M DOIN NOTHING WRONG. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY TO ME ALONG THE LINES OF TALKIN TRASH THEN YOU CNA EMAIL ME OR SEND ME AN INSTANT MESSAGE! PEACE

[Rockstar]

Okay, Joe. Maybe I responded a bit overzealously. If you're the same Joe that I'm familiar with, then I have to at least respect your willingness to learn. I didn't think you were the same guy. The Joe I'm familiar with seems to have a pretty decent grasp on this breed. Much more knowledgeable than many 18-19 year-olds I know. Why then, with the knowledge and understanding that you have proven you have, why are you walking your dog among legions of strays without a breaking stick? You should know better, Bro. You have the potential to be a role model for all the other punks in your neighborhood who let their mutts run loose - who I'm certain do not possess the knowledge of these dogs that you've developed over the past few years. Why, knowing what you know, would you repeatedly walk your dog in such a hostile environment anyway? Seems you should know better, Bro. Oh, sure, you have every right to walk your dog, but there must be better areas. It's also pretty unneccessary to have to stab another dog to keep it from harrassing yours. A can of pepper spray can usually be a pretty good deterrent. It's damned easy for the owner of an unleashed dog to slap a leash on before the cops arrive, and say that your dog was the aggressor. It happens, Joe. You might be surprised at the lengths some people will go through to shift some blame. I keep my dogs under the watch of home security cameras because of the lies people tell. There was an instance where an animal control officer actually said she saw one of my dogs running the streets - saw it with her own eyes. Slapped me with a 450-dollar citation. Luckily, I could prove otherwise, but often it is just your word against theirs. Unfortunately, in cases as these, the bulldog is usually found to be at fault. It's just the reality we live in, Bro. You can't be too careful. I don't want to hear about you losing your dog because of some lying piece-of-garbage neighbor. You have to live under the assumption that if something bad happens, you'll likely be the only one telling the truth.
Good luck to you, Joe. Continue to learn all you can and never become satisfied with what you know. Share the knowledge you learn with your peers, and maybe you'll make a fine ambassador for this breed one day.
And for chrissakes, get a breaking stick, will ya? lol

Peace.

[The Watcher]

"By allowing your dog to constantly be attacked by strays you are showing your dog that you are an inadequate alpha, and completely uncapable of keeping your dog out of bad situations. Your dog is going to realize that you are not a good pack leader and your dog is going to become nervous, anxious, and always on edge because of your poor leadership ability. Now, this may or may not result in your dog becoming a fear biter, but it definately does not look good, and if your dog does become a fear biter, not only will it be a danger to other animals, but more than likely humans also. I would advise that you start acting like a responsible owner and stop allowing this to happen, or else you are going to end up losing your dog."

Gonna have to agree with Blitz- I did'nt say we were friends, jus that I agree...

"What Yall Thoughs On Breedin To A Talented Dog That Dosen't Have Papers Or Is From And Is From And Unknow Back Ground As In Not Knowing His Bloodline?"

no thanks...

Joe, could ya find a local football field, track, park, hell anywhere besides where you are walking him now? I'm not telling you were you live, cause Idunno, nor do I care. I'm sure if you put your head to it you could find another place, or are you to stubborn and hotheaded like your dog?
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[SWAMPER]

If your dog is an a leash an some other dog run's up to you, then the owner of the unleashed dog is at fault....

[Crash97]

People like this make me feel very confident that we will win the battle against BSL :D (that was said with overflowing amounts of sarcasm for all of you slow ones reading this)

Seriously, you are the type of person who should not be allowed to own a pit bull. I walk my dog everywhere, literally, I have no car. (come on people it was another joke) I really do walk my dog everywhere, residential areas, commercial areas and in the woods. Guess how many times I have had a problem with stray dogs rushing me and attacking my dog? Come on, take a guess. Once. Just one time has a dog actually been brave enough to approach my dog and I while out on a walk, and after a brief yell and quick stomp towards the approaching dog, the dog ran off and nothing happened. By allowing your dog to constantly be attacked by strays you are showing your dog that you are an inadequate alpha, and completely uncapable of keeping your dog out of bad situations. Your dog is going to realize that you are not a good pack leader and your dog is going to become nervous, anxious, and always on edge because of your poor leadership ability. Now, this may or may not result in your dog becoming a fear biter, but it definately does not look good, and if your dog does become a fear biter, not only will it be a danger to other animals, but more than likely humans also. I would advise that you start acting like a responsible owner and stop allowing this to happen, or else you are going to end up losing your dog.Damn Blitz I hate to admit it, but I agree with all you said here...lol...This kind of shit is gonna seal the end of legally owning our dogs. There are other methods for keeping those who wish to steal your dog away from them....

[iwallace]

i mmight of missed a few threads .....
but if you muzzled your PIT BULL, and carried a nice big walking stick, 1 with a nice big handle, just to give the other dog a little whack on the head.. it could save your dog from being taken away from you .
the last thing you want is another dog fight .......who will be to blame ?? the pit or the poodle.
if your dog is muzzled , your dog CANT GET THE BLAME

[Crash97]

i mmight of missed a few threads .....
but if you muzzled your PIT BULL, and carried a nice big walking stick, 1 with a nice big handle, just to give the other dog a little whack on the head.. it could save your dog from being taken away from you .
the last thing you want is another dog fight .......who will be to blame ?? the pit or the poodle.
if your dog is muzzled , your dog CANT GET THE BLAMEI see your point, but a pit walking around with a muzzle is only gonna add to the "viscious pitbull" theory. Why else would one put a muzzle on a dog? It's a rotten situation all the way around.

I believe the best all around answer is a treadmill. Dog isn't in public eye or scrutiny, won't encounter any local mean dogs, and the more people who have a mill the less the "mills are for dog-fighters" shit will appear lucid. IMHO. If many people have mills and sticks, it'll kill the idiotic propaganda spewed out by the Humaniacs and their like.

[iwallace]

CRASH .DEAD RIGHT ...
but if it is going to save your own dog ........
who is going to believe that some mutt started the fight first ...

[iwallace]

some one mentioned PEPPER SPRAY...............
now that works....i stopped a doberman with that shit...stopped him dead in his tracks..
the owner reported me.???
i got done for carrying fire arms (pepper spray)....illegal in my home town

[badnews_VA]

i understand why you shouldn't walk your dog if you have dogs running loose or people trying to take your dog in a certain area, but why should pitbull owners be limited to the things they can do with their dogs just because of a few stupid people and stupid owners? why not get on the police and the spca for not doing their job? yes, you should avoid situations that could get you or your dog in trouble, but don't just alter your lifestyle because you think there isn't another way. it only takes one person to make a difference. and if that doesn't work then get everyone that wants to walk their dog but don't feel safe doing it to help you crack down on the ones that's not doing their job. it doesn't matter where you live with enough people things will change.

[idgie]

Even though you all are right that much of the time, the owner of the unleashed dog is at fault, in many states/cities, dog bites are strict liability, which means even if your dog is leashed and causes damage to a person or property (the law sees dogs as property), you are screwed. This can happen even in someone trespasses on your own property and gets bit! And it's even worse in many places with BSL - your dog is toast after a bite incident if it wasn't before. Do anything you must to make sure your dog doesn't bite a person or another dog.

[BazookaJoe]

Ok first off I'm not a crimal RockStar i have a clean record never been arrested or anything, and i do have a breaking stick i have 3 actually, a polly one that i got from yard boss and 2 wooden ones. I'm not wantin my dogs or me to get into an confertations with other dogs most dogs that roun out or the lil kinds but, i put osme rock in my pocket and just stomp my foot or chunk a pebble at them and they usually run off, but on occasion i have to pull my dog back because the ankle biter try and bit emy dog, they some crazy lil chits. I only have problems with 4-5 of the dog sin my area and they are either pits that peopel own that get loose or there is one stray that looks like a pit mixed with a mutt. When i rid emy bike he chases me an dtryed to bite me, and when i walk my dog he runs up to us, i pull my dog back but what good is thta when the other dog is chargin forward, the last time he got nippe dby my dog and he ran back into his yard, i have no truck to transport my dog to the park tat i wanna walk him at, it's not far from my hous eonly about a 8 min walk and it is a nice open field and there are never peopel there, it's a veterins memoreal kinda park with a track. today i'm gonna go and talk tot he people on the way i walk to that park and tell them to keep there dogs chained up or make sure they close there gates, there dogs are not dog aggressive but they are people aggressive and either way if they coem up to me somethign kill happen,there used to be a big white furry dog, i forget what the call them bt lots of people with gamecocks use them to guard the chicken yard, i think they are soem kind of mastif a nepolen mastif or something. not sure, but he woudl always chase us and run up to my dog and that dog weights about he same as a saint bernard so i stopped walkin down that street i have been avoivind streets with lots of dogs, BUT, everybody over here has a dog,, and most are pit bulls or pit crosses or some kind of guard dog, they are either those kinds or the lil kinda dogs.i'm just gonna walk him at that park but the thing is that at 9 it closes and if you are there it is tresspassing and is 9 times outta 10 a cop sittin there. I'm thinkin bout callin the aspca on that dog that is always out cua he has no tags or collar and always trys to bite me. thanks for yall input, and i'm not tryin to start any chit. and if yall thinkin i jst have back yard breed BS, well that mayeb true at the moment, but i used ot have a pup off a GR CH that is well known, so i know my stuff when it comes to game breed dogs and pit bulls in general ii did my research for 3 years before i even got the pup.

[B-I-Z]

go jump off a bridge

[XxKonnectionsxX]

This thread went from some guy talking about how he has to deal with loose dogs messing with him while walking......to he's a criminal and blah blah blah......... some people on here are soooooo quick to judge others. I also noticed when one does, the others just follow. Its like monkey see monkey do...Just how lemmings follow each other off a cliff.

Thats just my opinion...

[dhcrew]

all i can say is THE BEST thing to do is get a mill, but sometimes people will assume you run a ring if you have a mill. i have a few dogs i take for walks, but i drive them to the desert first, the only things out there are coyotes, and if my dogs get me a bounty for a coyote, i dont see the trouble...lol, the rest of my dogs i swim, ir they work out on the pole. im sure you will find an appropiate solution. and the post where it was said you are showing your dog that you are an incapable leader, is definately a good post. be careful your dog doesnt start to show the signs mentioned and also that he does not try to challenge you for leadership. good luck and you will make the right decision.

[Rockstar]

I didn't state that Joe was a criminal; I only asked. Regardless, it was uncalled for, and for that, Joe, I apologize. Just sort of threw me off with all the talk of stabbing dogs, and little kids around an APBT that exhibits tendencies toward people aggression, and such. I'm not one to beat around the bush in regards to the way I feel about something, particularly when it comes to this wonderful breed that is being outlawed at a frightening pace.

[slim]

I live in Canada. I own two wonderful family dogs. They happen to be pitbulls. I have trained my dogs to not attack other animals or people. I believe pitbulls and all dogs can be trained properly to not be aggressive. I love my dogs and hate all the contraversy that goes along with owning a pitbull. If we all take responsibility to train our dogs to be the best they can be then we would have a lot less problems. This goes for anyone with any breed of dog. We can not control other peoples dogs but we can sure control our own.
Just my point of view.

[Rockstar]

"If we all take responsibility to train our dogs to be the best they can be then we would have a lot less problems. This goes for anyone with any breed of dog. We can not control other peoples dogs but we can sure control our own."
Well said, Slim.

I love a dog which will walk among others with quiet confidence. One which doesn't feel the need to bark and snarl and dance around like an idiot every time another animal comes within view. In some of these dogs though, the prey drive is so rediculously high that no matter how much training and socialization is implemented throughout the dog's life, they're still going to want to hit everything with four legs. I've seen some incredibly well trained bulldogs over the years, but I've never seen one that would "let go" on command. But regardless of a dog's prey drive, instinct, or anything else, training and socialization are essential. Gamedogs or not.

[badnews_VA]

go jump off a bridge

and your reason for this is.............?

[BazookaJoe]

I won't stab a dog unless it is on top of me tryin to kill em that a last resort. and no hard feelings, yall just miss under stood me, an dmy dog knows i'm hsi master
he never has tried ot challange me, i feed him an di walk hima nd i take him off or put him on his cable runs, he know she can't do that himself, he protects me, that is my companion and warrior, exactly what the APBT was breed for.

[Hoppetosse]

don't think a mill is an appropiate substitute for education and socialization or for walks! If you don't want to walk your dog or own too many dogs to do so, then you shouldn't get them in the first place...

If your dog never sees anything else than your yard and the mill, he'll stultify. A mill only as supplementation.

I own two pits and walk them at the same time, they were tought to ignore other dogs even if these bark and growl.
Admittedly it took me a few months until my male had learned that but it was worth every second of that time!
But I can do Agility without leash nowadays. And he's got male dog "friends" that he plays with without aggression.
Still he was attacked twice in his life. First incident happened when he was a pup and I was scared stiff, that when it was over I forgot to ask for the ownes insurance, address etc.
Second time was this christmas. As it was a residential area my dog was on the leash, the other wasn't-people seem to think that owning a "family friendly" dog makes them imune towards leash law. I seperated the dogs and wanted to know the owner's name, but she walked off. Well I had wittnesses and found out with the dog's name who the owner was and went to police. She got fined.
Now you'll all tell me how lucky I was. And I'll contradict, because if I see a loose dog without owner I'd rather turn around than risk a fight. If I meet somebody I don't know I ask him to put his dog on leash. And that works most of the time.
So either I'd avoid going down streets where I know there are dogs running around or I go and call police to do something about it.

[dhcrew]

"If we all take responsibility to train our dogs to be the best they can be then we would have a lot less problems. This goes for anyone with any breed of dog. We can not control other peoples dogs but we can sure control our own."
Well said, Slim.

I love a dog which will walk among others with quiet confidence. One which doesn't feel the need to bark and snarl and dance around like an idiot every time another animal comes within view. In some of these dogs though, the prey drive is so rediculously high that no matter how much training and socialization is implemented throughout the dog's life, they're still going to want to hit everything with four legs. I've seen some incredibly well trained bulldogs over the years, but I've never seen one that would "let go" on command. But regardless of a dog's prey drive, instinct, or anything else, training and socialization are essential. Gamedogs or not.
hey rockstar, guess what? 2 of my dogs will actually let go on command. no matter what they are holding, be it a rope, toy, or another animal. sometimes it takes a couple let go's along with a pull, but it does work.

when my rudy got attacked by a larger more experienced stud dog, caleb, he was getting his a** wooped, and we pretty much had to wait until they had holds to break it up, caleb was an uncontrollable dog that also went after us when we tried to break it up before they had holds, rudy was throwing blood everywhere but i wouldnt command him to stop because of the fear that when he did, caleb wouldnt. i didnt want caleb to kill him, so we watched and waited a few seconds and directed their rolling with the hose and as soon as they had holds, we broke calebs hold first and got him muzzled and pinned then when i commanded rudy to let go, it took three times, but he did, and as i said this was after they had been at it for maybe a couple minutes i really have no idea how long. caleb wasnt ours, but we were taking care of him, and i still had him PTS for going after us even in the heat of battle. to me this behaviour is unacceptable. his owner is still mad at me for it but oh well.

my 2 girls also have had their arguements, but they will also stop on command, even if they have a grip on each other. i have trained them that way since puppy hood by getting them very worked up playing rough, and commanding them to stop no matter what. it works with mine, but i wouldnt and dont rely on it, i still have sticks and other tricks to separate them if i have to.

[Crash97]

Now wait....you put someone elses dog to sleep? I don't know the circumstances. If a dog is people aggressive, they need to be put down, but it wasn't your place to make that decision. If someone put my dog down without my authorization, I'm not sure what I'd do. But getting mad would be the least of it. This ain't to start shit, just to point out I think you're wrong for that.

[JuddFL]

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[miakoda]

While I have 3 apbts (2 rescues & a stray i found) that I can break up a fight b/n them by yelling, w/my true game-bred dogs, commanding them to stop is a joke. They also know release commands (it's stressed when playing w/toys & when on the hogs), but when a fight breaks out, they have their minds on 1 thing & 1 thing only & it's not on listening to me. Only a break stick & an extra pair of hands is gonna separate them. That's why it's important for extra care to be taken so fights don't happen (hey, shit happens sometime especially when my husbands in charge & lets 2 or 3 run loose together :eek: .

As for the thread, I have already stated my response in an earlier post.

[dhcrew]

Now wait....you put someone elses dog to sleep? I don't know the circumstances. If a dog is people aggressive, they need to be put down, but it wasn't your place to make that decision. If someone put my dog down without my authorization, I'm not sure what I'd do. But getting mad would be the least of it. This ain't to start shit, just to point out I think you're wrong for that.
we had talked about it at first with her, i gave her a choice, she could come get him and have him somewhere else, or i would do what i thought was best, ie, Put him to Sleep. she is mad at me for not keeping him here for her, i told her in no way would i allow a human biting dog to live anywhere my yard. she left me no other choice.

[dhcrew]

While I have 3 apbts (2 rescues & a stray i found) that I can break up a fight b/n them by yelling, w/my true game-bred dogs, commanding them to stop is a joke. They also know release commands (it's stressed when playing w/toys & when on the hogs), but when a fight breaks out, they have their minds on 1 thing & 1 thing only & it's not on listening to me. Only a break stick & an extra pair of hands is gonna separate them. That's why it's important for extra care to be taken so fights don't happen (hey, shit happens sometime especially when my husbands in charge & lets 2 or 3 run loose together :eek: .

As for the thread, I have already stated my response in an earlier post.

mia, you are probably right, i just bought my first "game bred" dog back in november? october maybe? and she is only about 4 months old. i am training her the same way as i have all my other dogs and hopefully i wont ever personally have to find out if it works, but i hope it does. just so you know she is indeed game bred, i bought her from "arkansas" jolly

[rocksteady]

All this is plain and simple As the pit bull owner it is up to u to take responsiblity to the next level and be careful

If your dog is aggressive and u cant control it, or worried about other dogs, then unfortunetly no matter what the laws say (since laws are made to protect stupid people from themselves) do your dog a favor and keep it home BE THE BETTER OWNER

Yea..it sucks but think of the breed as a whole. ONE LITTLE INCIDENT can put a black mark on you and your dogs and then everyone will be just waiting for something to happen.

Remember..its NEVER the other guys fault. If you know how your dog is, it is up to you to prevent anything.

[mikeclavenna]

The hoosiers down the street let their two idiot dogs run loose, i just called the police station and had them go do the talking. there's a leash law here and they can get a ticket for letting them off chain, and they can actually get a court summons if the cops have to go again. maybe you could call the station and tell them about the situation, that way it's not a big shock when it happens.

[southern_girl09]

I dont have that problem around here. Thank god.

[Crash97]

I dont have that problem around here. Thank god.While I may not agree with some of Joes methods, I understand his situation. These types of situations are fairly prevalent in the low rent district around here. At one time, I lived in a very low income area around here. The way of doing things is very much the same as he described. People allowing their mean ass dogs to run either loose or in a flimsy ass fence. I too had the sucker punch artist attempt their act in a very failed attempt at stealing my dog. Once again my advice is to get and use a mill for your dog.

[SWAMPER]

Lol I Would Say A Mill Would Be A Good Idea,its Funny How You Have To Condition Your Dog Weekly Cause They Sit On Chains Or Kenneled,so They Need To Execrcise,(not For Just The Purpose Of Fighting)conformation Calls For 1,so Does Hog Hunting Since Id Hate To See A Fat Outta Shape Dog Be Out Winded By A 300 Lb Boar.or For Thier General Overall Health......... People Run Mills Dosent Mean They Do It Just To Fight Lol,hell I Got A Chi Wa Wa That Will Run The Mill,

[Dpres1]

I DON'T LIV EIN NO WHITE SUBURB NEIGHBOOR HODD WHERE WHEN SOME LIL DOG FIGHT HAPPENS PEOPEL CALL THE COPS EVERYONE OVER HERE KNOWS WHAT PIT BULLS WHERE BREED TO DO AND THAT IS TO FIGHT AND TO BE A COMPANION AND PROTECT THERE OWNER, WHY CALL THE COPS WHEN THE DOGS DO WHAT THEY MENT TO DO.


I certainly hope you're not suggesting that I do! LOL! Cops rarely answer calls to our neck of the woods and if they do it's waaaaay too late. You probably know what I'm talking about. We don't have the same problem with loose dogs though, just baseheads, prostitutes, and thugs. I don't need my dogs for protection, I have guns for that.
I apologize, it just seemed to me like you were looking for fights w/ your dog in a round about way. If the stray/agressive dog situation is that bad I truly don't have any suggestions that haven't already been made by others. Good luck, I hope you figure something out before you or your dog are harmed any further. :)

[Norvell57]

hey rockstar, guess what? 2 of my dogs will actually let go on command. no matter what they are holding, be it a rope, toy, or another animal. sometimes it takes a couple let go's along with a pull, but it does work.

when my rudy got attacked by a larger more experienced stud dog, caleb, he was getting his a** wooped, and we pretty much had to wait until they had holds to break it up, caleb was an uncontrollable dog that also went after us when we tried to break it up before they had holds, rudy was throwing blood everywhere but i wouldnt command him to stop because of the fear that when he did, caleb wouldnt. i didnt want caleb to kill him, so we watched and waited a few seconds and directed their rolling with the hose and as soon as they had holds, we broke calebs hold first and got him muzzled and pinned then when i commanded rudy to let go, it took three times, but he did, and as i said this was after they had been at it for maybe a couple minutes i really have no idea how long. caleb wasnt ours, but we were taking care of him, and i still had him PTS for going after us even in the heat of battle. to me this behaviour is unacceptable. his owner is still mad at me for it but oh well.

my 2 girls also have had their arguements, but they will also stop on command, even if they have a grip on each other. i have trained them that way since puppy hood by getting them very worked up playing rough, and commanding them to stop no matter what. it works with mine, but i wouldnt and dont rely on it, i still have sticks and other tricks to separate them if i have to.
i completly agree i have to males one day my older male broke his collar and was walking across my yard and got a little close to my year old male and they got into it and i ran out on the front porch and i yelled at my older dog all i have to say is GHOST DOWN and he stoped and came all the way across my yard and layed down next to me on the porch and the whole time after i told him down my pup was still raising hell jerking on his chain. like rockstar said they can be trained to stop on command my dog didnt even have a collar on or anything and he was eating my pup up and when i gave the command he just stop and came to me.

[rocksteady]

lol..try that with a real game dog lol

that cracks me right up.

[lovemypit76]

Listen, WE ALL as pit bull (or similar breed) owners need to be responsible. It does not matter whose fault it is or whose dog is running loose. Our babies have bad reputations and it is our duty, honor and privelege to amend it. I keep my dogs on their leashes and they live in the house. I try to avoid situations. Any situations. I don't care where you live or what your neighborhood is like (mine isn't great), you owe your dog all the care you can give it, especially since you chose a breed with lots of prejudice against it. I walk my dogs and pull them away from any strays running up; I call the pound on loose dogs (and don't call once and then say 'Well, I tried to do something'. That's crap). Men I don't even know driving down the street stop and ask if we want to fight our dogs. I always say, "You want me to call the cops?". Walk your dog early, take it somewhere nearby like the park, get it some obedience training, do something. You owe it to these dogs- we all do. Don't be a punk who gets BSL passed and punish every other person who loves their pits just because you don't have the sense to take care of yours. Trust me- it's people like Bazooka living in Atlanta and surrounding areas who are the cause of the BSL bill in the GA General Assembly right now- and I am having to fight and work to keep the right to own pits in the future when mine get old. If I don't, some gangsta punk is going to cost me the right to keep my dogs.

[lovemypit76]

Oh yeah- use your spell check if you can't type. Please.

[BazookaJoe]

That Word Comand Lettin Go Don't Work With My Dog It Takes While With A Stick To Get His Ass Of Something, I Can't Say He Gamebreed For Sure Because His Back Groudn Is Unknow But I Say He Game Looks Like A Good Canadate For A Redboy Dog, Just Wish I Knew What He Was.