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As many of you already know, we will shortly have a pedigree center similar to Pedigrees Online, except with many more options. The main features of the pedigree center will only be available for premium members. Guests and regular members will still be able to view pedigrees by following a link provided by a person who has premium member access, although they will not be able to click on dogs names within the pedigrees.
The main reason I am making this thread is to get some ideas of features that members would like to see in the pedigree center, although there is already a huge list of features that are being worked on.
Another reason for this thread is to hopefully strike an interest in the community to subscribe for premium membership or to donate to the site so we can prepare a server to run the pedigree center, and all of the other features of the site, when it becomes available.
Currently, the price of premium membership is $25 for the first year of the pedigree center, but when it becomes available for use the price of premium membership will go up to $45 per year. The $25 for premium membership will allow you to use all of the many extra features, which I have not had the time to compile a complete list of as of yet, that come with premium membership until 1 year after the pedigree center becomes available. All of that basically means that by subscribing for premium membership early, you get more time for your money and save $20 for the first year.
Here are a few questions that everyone needs to be thinking about and answer on this thread:
What are some features that you would like to see?
What are some things that you do not like about Pedigrees Online that can be improved?
How do you think we should go about limiting the number of fake pedigrees?
What other questions would you like answered?
T-MONEY
12-20-2004, 08:11 PM
I think a good idea would be to have a page that shows all the new peds entered for the day. Something for everyone to look at when there finish studying up on there own pedigrees. ;)
shaun,
i now i hounded u about the pedigree thing but, for the money peds online is cheaper. last time i checked it was only 35/yr. your pedigree center may be nicer but people are going to go with the cheaper pedigree center. if u want to steal peds online customers u need a better product that is at a better price. if u made it say 25/year u could probly get a bigger amount of customers and make more money by slowly but effectively putting peds online out of business and making a greater profit by the numbers of people that would sign up. hell peds online started out free then went to charging after they had everyone hooked. but as long as peds online is competitive with a similair product at a cheaper price they will undoubtedly keep well over the majority of customers.
just my opinion and something to think about
5555
I think a good idea would be to have a page that shows all the new peds entered for the day. Something for everyone to look at when there finish studying up on there own pedigrees. That will definately be an option :)shaun,
i now i hounded u about the pedigree thing but, for the money peds online is cheaper. last time i checked it was only 35/yr. your pedigree center may be nicer but people are going to go with the cheaper pedigree center. if u want to steal peds online customers u need a better product that is at a better price. if u made it say 25/year u could probly get a bigger amount of customers and make more money by slowly but effectively putting peds online out of business and making a greater profit by the numbers of people that would sign up. hell peds online started out free then went to charging after they had everyone hooked. but as long as peds online is competitive with a similair product at a cheaper price they will undoubtedly keep well over the majority of customers.
just my opinion and something to think about
5555About the for the money, pedigrees online is cheaper... for the money, premium members get a lot more than just a pedigree center, not even mentioning the fact that pedigrees online lacks many things that ours will not. ;)
The Watcher
12-20-2004, 10:34 PM
after the 1st of the year count me in..anything I can do in the mean time just holla at 50.
ps as far as the peds idea, maybe you could link users through common "bloodlines"?
What do you mean by link users through common bloodlines?
soonerlite44
12-20-2004, 10:49 PM
I am a new member to game dog forums, and a first time pitbull owner. I really dont understand the ped center concept, or how its used, or who benefits. So I cant honestly say how it benefits members such as myself. I think a more evaluated plan needs to be posted before more thoughtful decisions can be made.
Big River Kennels
12-20-2004, 10:55 PM
I think that if you showed a date of birth and date of death if known in the peds it would be a great help. also if they included the registry's number beside each ancestor that could deter somewhat fake peds. if there is a dispute appoint someone to phone the appropriate registry and verify information, if there is proof that it is in fact a fraudulent ped, ban for life.
I would like to address the person that had the price issue. first off I have been in sales for the past 17 years. 15 of those years have been in the top 10% out of over 7000 sales people. I believe that if you offer a superior service or product, YOU CAN charge a higher price. If you gain people by price that is exactly what you will get cheap people, which leads to people who don't care about quality and service, things we americans have been trading off to the chinese for decades. I believe that this website is by far more advanced, professional and caring, they take care of problems in an efficient manner. When I first became a member, I was very uneducated as far as this site, shon has bent over backwards (more than anyone else would have) to take time he doesn't have a lot of and patience to teach me just the basics. there are hundreds of people on here and members here. There are only so many people in charge of moderating and the like. like someone said, you cannot please everyone. someone will always place blame or critisism on something that they either don't understand or like. There are so many ways that people on their own can be of positive influence on this site and one another. Jesus was asked one day by the disciples, "lord which one of thy commandments is greatest?" upon hearing this he responded first with love the lord with all thy heart and mite, the second is love your neighbor as you would thyself. with that being said and thinking about all the negativity, we should practice these two simple rules. With us picking at each other we will not only look incompetent, but will get nothing of value accomplished. I don't think shon and his people woke up one day and said, "let's make a site that will make some people mad and some disappointed and most appreciative" they started with an idea and had an action plan to put it in place. this world is an imperfect corruptable world, nothing is perfect, nothing lasts forever and change next to death is something we can all count on having atleast once in a life time. Remember the good, make positive feedback if you can, forget the bad. everything has it's ups and downs and good and bad. it is overall what we make of it. This site is the most thorough site I have ever seen or experienced. Once again thanks shon and admin.
The Watcher
12-20-2004, 11:05 PM
What do you mean by link users through common bloodlines?
well lets say Mr. Soonerlite44(1st time pit) jus got a 12x "Jeep"dog- it would be nice to give him a lets say top 10 list of "Jeep" dogs in the system by bloodline percentage- make any since or does that sound kind-of the same as a offsring/sibling list?
I think that if you showed a date of birth and date of death if known in the peds it would be a great help. also if they included the registry's number beside each ancestor that could deter somewhat fake peds. if there is a dispute appoint someone to phone the appropriate registry and verify information, if there is proof that it is in fact a fraudulent ped, ban for life.
The date of birth and date of death will be included. The registration number will be able to be entered for each pedigree, but not all of them will have a registration number to go by to approve of the breedings in the way that your propose, although it is an excellent idea which may be able to be utilized after it is set in place.
Also I would like to thank you for your post, but let's try to keep this thread, at least, on topic and not worry about what one person thinks. This thread is very important for the developement and introduction of the pedigree center. ;)
well lets say Mr. Soonerlite44(1st time pit) jus got a 12x "Jeep"dog- it would be nice to give him a lets say top 10 list of "Jeep" dogs in the system by bloodline percentage- make any since or does that sound kind-of the same as a offsring/sibling list?
Oh ok, I think I understand what you mean now.
I was thinking about something a long those lines a few months ago, but I never really put much thought into it. I think it is a great idea though and will probably be a part of the pedigree center. :)
The Watcher
12-20-2004, 11:37 PM
Oh ok, I think I understand what you mean now.
I was thinking about something a long those lines a few months ago, but I never really put much thought into it. I think it is a great idea though and will probably be a part of the pedigree center. :)
yeah i was kind-of fumbling over the words myself. I meet a bunch o people who have ADBA reg dogs and cant make heads or tales of the paperwork.soo, maybe som'em like this would help
The statistics will be much more in-depth than pedigrees online, so there shouldn't be any guessing when it comes to that. Although it still will not give you anything exact, but will give you a much better indication.
i think it is a good idea about time ppl have more then one option on a ped system and this coming from a member of peds online should turn out good but will take awhile to get everything that is needed in the database but hey nothing is perfect as for the post about bbk not helping ppl on here that is bs he is always more then willing to help anyone with info although due to circumstance he hasnt been on i awhile i like the idea about the best bred or i should say tightest bred dog link being included in it sounds liek a winner shon yis Boondockkennels and yes i think a better statistic calculater is needed as teh one on peds online is way off lol and also as for adba there peds are a joke to read need a college degree to figure them out we here at Boondockkennels do not use adba and never will we register only with BFKC
The Watcher
12-20-2004, 11:55 PM
The statistics will be much more in-depth than pedigrees online, so there shouldn't be any guessing when it comes to that. Although it still will not give you anything exact, but will give you a much better indication.
hopfully this would educate as well as incourage better breeding at the same time-
There shouldn't be a problem with building the database, the staff will have access to the pedigree center for a while before it's available to get the database built up as much as possible before releasing.
With the tightest bred dogs or whatever of a certain dog, the offspring of that dog would have to be excluded, but other than that it should be able to be an option.
The Watcher
12-21-2004, 12:14 AM
There shouldn't be a problem with building the database, the staff will have access to the pedigree center for a while before it's available to get the database built up as much as possible before releasing.
With the tightest bred dogs or whatever of a certain dog, the offspring of that dog would have to be excluded, but other than that it should be able to be an option.
u the man Shon-
Whiskey Bay
12-21-2004, 06:40 AM
I have used Peds online myself,but have grown tired of their technical difficulties and such.Everytime I try to access a ped something is wrong.So far I have never encountered any problems accessing any parts of this site.With the cost of Peds online thats what you get,just pedigrees.Here you get so much more.Almost anything you could possibly want all in one package.If you see a ped on here and you have a question about it,You can post it and hear people's thoughts.You can post your pics .Need info on health ,showing,training,Just a click away here.Could some of you peds online supporters show me where there informational links are?? I seemed to have missed them.
Shon has been waaaaaay more than helpful in navigating me and coaching.I view most of the threads that come up,and if I have knowledge in that area I'll give some advice.I kinda stay away from the posts on the game bred dogs of older days because I don't know too much.That is my spouse's forte.Training,Health,Nutrition,and even some law I can help with and am quite glad to do so.
So if you need an answer PM me.Will always be glad to help.
circlekpits
12-21-2004, 07:09 AM
Shon I think what you have got going is great as far as the price, considering what game-dog right now it weould be worth it. I have not used pedigree online so I am lost on that is. What I have seen of the ped center so far it looks great. I will have to work with it for awhile before I can give any feedback on it though.
rocksteady
12-21-2004, 07:57 AM
I agree!! Sure, peds online credited everyone with 3 "free months" but that was only after people complained! And on top of it all, I dont ever recall getting an email stating that the site was down due to techincall difficulties..it was like oh well..
I too am tired of trying to figure out if the ped I'm looking at is correct , the multitude of repetative peds and I hardly use the message board. To me, peds online is more of a place to peddle pups than this site. Forget posting a message, allthough it has gotten a tad bit better..
I'm glad this site caters to everyone ... otherwise if it was only strickly about that other subject, anyone with 1/4 a brain wouldnt say much as you never ever know who is out there in cyber space ... It is nice to have a place where anyone can belong regardless of what they keep, breed, do ... it truely is a site built with the dog in mind and not our pettiness
pit stop
12-21-2004, 08:49 AM
I like it! Great ideas Guys, count me in. Cant upgrade to premium until after the holiday crunch, but it sounds like a fantastic addition to game-dog.
Pit Stop
MTNDOG
12-21-2004, 09:48 AM
I think the quikest way to get started would be to let ALL premium members start entering dogs as soon as the site is up. It would take a lot less time this way to build the database. Easier for the admin. also.
The reason I mentioned that the staff would have access to it first is because when they receive access to it, the only thing they will be able to do is add pedigrees. At least that is the plan right now, but may be subject to change at a later date. :)
Deep south
12-21-2004, 10:09 AM
Shon
I for one think the ped is a great idea and would sign up,would membership(paid)
be for both site and ped . and a link to search for members with same bloodline(50/50) sounds good to.
ps: dont worry about that mess that "5555" and "dbraun" are talking about becouse every where you go there will be an A** hole or two Thank you for
trying to give us the best site you can
Deep south
12-21-2004, 10:20 AM
Might i also say that I am not a paid member and Regardless Shon has always made me fill very welcome and as soon as i can sign up with out taking food away from my family i will,
thank Shon for being a friend to all of us.
Thanks APBTADBA :)
About the worrying, I can take constructive criticism pretty well and it seemed to get more posts on this thread than there would have been if the post(s) wouldn't have been posted. So sometime it works out good :p
GrChPitBitch
12-21-2004, 04:04 PM
I cant wait to give it a try... I would like to keep the number of BS peds DOWN. I hate that about peds online. I can never get any of my pictures to post on peds online eather.... I tried to email them about it, but the email address that is posted isnt correct. My mail came back. I can always talk to Shon when I am having a problem... (which isnt very often) I for one like game-dog. not everyone here is for the game, but we all love the breed. right?
I cant wait to give it a try... I would like to keep the number of BS peds DOWN. I hate that about peds online. I can never get any of my pictures to post on peds online eather.... I tried to email them about it, but the email address that is posted isnt correct. My mail came back. I can always talk to Shon when I am having a problem... (which isnt very often) I for one like game-dog. not everyone here is for the game, but we all love the breed. right?
The plan right now to limit the duplicate and fake pedigrees is to have pedigree moderators. Exact duplicate pedigrees won't be able to be posted, but there will be a few that slip through because of a spelling mistake or intentionally.
We'll just have to handle it along the way unless anyone else has any ideas :)
the only problem with peds online is the double peds of the same dogs and that they went off line for a while, besides that it is a good program which i feel they just charge way too much for. and a better product at a cheaper price i feel would help get people from peds online over here.
btw, shon if u remember i was the one who told u to charge for it and u wanted to have it for free. hell u should just make it a 50 cent per pedigree addition fee. this way people who dont want to pay for a ped service that will go unused for them will feel they got what they paid for. it would be on the internet and could get use of it. plus someone has say 20 dogs they want to add then their is ten dollars for u. just another route to think about
the only problem with peds online is the double peds of the same dogs and that they went off line for a while, besides that it is a good program which i feel they just charge way too much for. and a better product at a cheaper price i feel would help get people from peds online over here.I understand where you are coming from, but with the amount of features and what it's going to take to handle all of the pedigrees (forum, articles, links, gallery, etc. information as well) and the traffic that there will be viewing the pedigrees and all, I'm not even sure if $45 per year per person will cover it
As long as there are enough premium members and a pretty steady flow of money, there shouldn't be a problem.
But there is no way that the site will be able to run reliably on anything less than $45 per year.
btw, shon if u remember i was the one who told u to charge for it and u wanted to have it for free. hell u should just make it a 50 cent per pedigree addition fee. this way people who dont want to pay for a ped service that will go unused for them will feel they got what they paid for. it would be on the internet and could get use of it. plus someone has say 20 dogs they want to add then their is ten dollars for u. just another route to think aboutI wish it could be free, but I can't afford the $125-$450 per month (at least) that it will take. The per pedigree option sounds like a good idea for an addition, but it wouldn't work as the only solution because to begin with, people will probably have to enter a lot of pedigrees to get the single pedigree they are wanting to post.
I do think that is a good idea, and it is quite possible that it may be an option once the database has a solid foundation. :)
Deep south
12-22-2004, 07:48 AM
what is 45 dollers a year,two cartons of smokes,dinner for one at any **** restrant,one less trip to the fle market,or one less trip to the hair solon,12.5 cents a day what is 12.5 cents a day I looked in my couch today and found 38 cents hey that is 3 days worth lol I for one get more then 12.5 cents worth of info and fun a day from this site now as it is.
here is just a thought give it a trial run and see what people think of it and a list on front page stating how many peds are posted
ps please dont chew me out for this post (texas) lol kidding
When it becomes available, there will be a live demonstration of it where anybody can see just how it works. :)
Bubba
12-22-2004, 01:14 PM
Will folks be able to post/reply to each ped if they have questions about a particular dog that has been posted???
And as far as me not being around to help, things have been hectic as hell my way, and I haven't had time to access the computer, hopefully I'll be back soon although I'm going to try to get on here more, but right now I have a new born baby, a pup that I had to bottlefeed, and now another pup I gotta bottle feed, so things have been busy...
BDK...got a pup off May...she only had one, but its better than none :-D
BB
Will folks be able to post/reply to each ped if they have questions about a particular dog that has been posted???
And as far as me not being around to help, things have been hectic as hell my way, and I haven't had time to access the computer, hopefully I'll be back soon although I'm going to try to get on here more, but right now I have a new born baby, a pup that I had to bottlefeed, and now another pup I gotta bottle feed, so things have been busy...
BDK...got a pup off May...she only had one, but its better than none :-D
BB Of course you will be able to reply or comment on each pedigree ;)
There is a lot of people that wants to know certain things about certain dogs, they can simply ask a question about the dog on it's pedigree page and somebody else answer it. If somebody wants to give more information about a dog (history, traits, etc.) they can post a reply to the pedigree even if nobody has asked the question about it.
Our pedigree center will be more based around researching and understanding how and why the dogs are bred like they are instead of just for advertising dogs for sale. :)
crossfire
12-22-2004, 01:53 PM
will the people that put in the ped have the option to make it where people can't post questions and stuff? there are some people not to bright about what they ask. maybe you can have it set up where there is a question button and it will take them to the forums and automicly add the link to the ped in question and let them ask it in the forum be it private or public how ever you set it up. This way it wont clutter up the ped page it self.
will the people that put in the ped have the option to make it where people can't post questions and stuff? there are some people not to bright about what they ask. maybe you can have it set up where there is a question button and it will take them to the forums and automicly add the link to the ped in question and let them ask it in the forum be it private or public how ever you set it up. This way it wont clutter up the ped page it self.The poster of the pedigree will be able to set a series of permissions to allow or disallow others to do certain things with that pedigree. The attachment below is the permissions when posting or editing each pedigree currently.
There probably won't be a link to post something about the pedigree or dog in the forums, but the posts won't clutter the pedigree page, there will be 5-10 replies per page by default (and will be selectable for each user) and they will be able to click which page of the pedigree they want to view on the page navigation at the top and bottom of each pedigree just like on the rest of the site.
I hope that answers you questions.
And now for the screen shot of the permissions :)
wizard
12-22-2004, 04:08 PM
I like the idea of this set up
one thing i want to know is how easy will it be to add dogs peds to your base as i have hundreds
of dog peds not on peds online or any where else.
you can count me in
I like the idea of this set up
one thing i want to know is how easy will it be to add dogs peds to your base as i have hundreds
of dog peds not on peds online or any where else.
you can count me in
It will be very easy to add the pedigrees to the database, here is a screen shot of what that page is looking like right now, although there will probably be a few more additions and maybe some modification.
There will also be a page that will allow you to post up to 15 pedigrees at one time, but right now it requires each dog to have the same sire and dam. I'm still working on that page, but I will post a screen shot of it at a later date. :)
Here is a screen shot of most of what I have right now for posting and editing pedigrees (this is above the permission options posted above)
idgie
12-22-2004, 07:45 PM
As far as preventing fake peds, is there any reason that new peds can't be limited to registered dogs? I know not all dogs going back in the ped will always have reg. numbers.
Will it be possible to see further back than 4 generations? Also, will peds of older dogs be posted? Who will post them? For example, will I be able to click on Honeybunch's pedigree and get it?
TERRIBLE TEXAS
12-22-2004, 08:10 PM
i think the ped center has everything peds online has AND more..........i cant find any flaws in it
As far as preventing fake peds, is there any reason that new peds can't be limited to registered dogs? I know not all dogs going back in the ped will always have reg. numbers.
Will it be possible to see further back than 4 generations? Also, will peds of older dogs be posted? Who will post them? For example, will I be able to click on Honeybunch's pedigree and get it?
Well, limiting the pedigrees to only dogs who are registered would cause a lot of problems, there are a lot of people who don't register their dogs but know exactly how they are bred because they bred them. If it gets to a point where the fake pedigrees become a problem, we may moderate (a pedigree moderator would have to approve of the pedigree before it is displayed) pedigrees without registration numbers. If that doesn't work, we may have to moderate all pedigrees, but that is only a last resort and hopefully won't have to happen.
There will be a printable 5 generation pedigree, and you'll be able to go back 8 generations in the statistics of each pedigree instead of just 4, but other than that, you will only be able to view 4 and 5 generation pedigrees.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by older dogs being posted because before a dog of today is posted, all of its ancestors would already have to be in the database.
As far as who will post them, staff and premium members will be able to post an unlimited number of pedigrees, and it doesn't have anything to do whether they are from the 1800's or the 21st century.
Premium members and staff will be able to click on dog's within each pedigree to view that dog's pedigree. But, unlike pedigrees online, non-premium members will only be able to see the dog's name and will not be able to go back further in pedigree.
Let me know if I missed anything :)
i think the ped center has everything peds online has AND more..........i cant find any flaws in it
Thanks man, but I think instead of AND being all capitalized, I think the MORE would be more appropriate capitalized. Lol ;)
TERRIBLE TEXAS
12-22-2004, 08:24 PM
lol........u didnt have to call me out like that........lol
Thanks man, but I think instead of AND being all capitalized, I think the MORE would be more appropriate capitalized. Lol ;)
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize I did :p
miakoda
12-22-2004, 08:59 PM
this post is like the energizer bunny
this post is like the energizer bunny Well, not really, I was expecting there to be at least twice as many posts as there already have been :(
miakoda
12-22-2004, 09:26 PM
well shon, i think that the pedigree center will be great. I have not use any others like peds online due to watching my friends have trouble with them. I love this site & my Christmas present to myself will be a premium membership (after new dog beds are bought!). Keep up the good work! If we catch you slackin, you will have to babysit my 2 deaf apbts for 1 week!!!!:D
Thanks... I will be sure not to let ya'll catch me if I ever do ;x
Your Worst Nightmare
12-25-2004, 07:07 AM
I was going to make my own pedigree center one day but the more I think about how much work it will be, the more I'm not interested an doing it anymore.
With that in mind, I will shed a few ideas ;)
Personal Pedigrees to each user. This will give the user access to make a private pedigree in there personal folder for planned breedings or just looking at peds combined ect. This will make dogs offspring list limited to a dog that was actually BORN from that sire/dam.
Make complete public access pedigrees, this means whatever link your posting to show a non-member will be the very same link you can also login to by selecting a (UPDATE) button, to change or update your information. This will remove a pretty big headache to frequent users.
Lets say a pedigree URL is (http://www.game-dog.com/peds/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=108905 (http://www.game-dog.com/peds/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=108905)) Now we have to admit no one is going to manually enter that from scratch! Maybe each one of these can be forward to a link like (www.game-dog.com/peds/108905 (http://www.game-dog.com/peds/108905))
Lets give some more detail in these peds! Show a small star next to ancestors w/ photos while looking at a dogs ped.
Hmmmm, ever thought about adding links to your kennel/breeder on your peds without being an HTML dork?
What about a gallery of photos on your peds (maybe 3 max), I know I hate having to pick one photo for people to see of my dog!
Enable a nice print version button, that removes the tables and makes it nice like an ADBA's pedigree with (company name as background) ???
I still have crap load of ideas, and I can't believe people haven't said atlest a few of these "on the board" yet. Shon, I wish you the best with that.
Your Worst Nightmare -aka- Pitlife.Com & T.B.D
yellaman420
12-25-2004, 08:11 AM
I really don't dig the fact that you wanna make going to other peds through links inaccessible. I like the fact that you can look up the blood on any dog you wanna breed to as long as their info is entered in peds online. As far as keeping out the BS peds, only way to do that is moderators. Maybe you could give people breaks on membership if they would agree to moderate for a time.
I was going to make my own pedigree center one day but the more I think about how much work it will be, the more I'm not interested an doing it anymore. Yes, you're right, there is a lot of work that has to be put into it to make it right. The more complex it is made, the more problems there will be with it to start off with, but hopefully we will get them all or most fixed before releasing it.Personal Pedigrees to each user. This will give the user access to make a private pedigree in there personal folder for planned breedings or just looking at peds combined ect. This will make dogs offspring list limited to a dog that was actually BORN from that sire/dam.Members will be able to set the permissions when posting pedigrees or editing pedigrees that they have posted to allow or disallow others to do certain things, one of them being to view that pedigree.
I'm not sure about the personal folder type thing you mentioned, but that is a good idea. We were planning on allowing members to make their own categories like the gallery does, we can probably use that same concept and just add an option to make it private if they choose.
If a pedigree is made private after it has already been used in a pedigree or pedigrees, the name of the dog will still be displayed in the pedigrees of the dog, but it will not be linked and if someone tries to go to the URL of that pedigree, they will receive a no permissions window.Make complete public access pedigrees, this means whatever link your posting to show a non-member will be the very same link you can also login to by selecting a (UPDATE) button, to change or update your information. This will remove a pretty big headache to frequent users.I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, but I will reply to it based on what I think you mean.
The URL to the each pedigree will be the same whether the user is a premium member, member, or unregistered user, they will all see different things though. For example, premium members will have menus to allow them to do different things with the pedigree and see other things pertaining to that pedigree. They will also have links to each dog within each pedigree to click on and view that dog's pedigree. Regular members and guests will not have those links nor see those menus.
If a premium member is not logged in and views a pedigree, they will be able to log in at the top of the page just like every other page on the site.
If that's not what you mean, please specify :)Lets say a pedigree URL is (http://www.game-dog.com/peds/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=108905 (http://www.game-dog.com/peds/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=108905)) Now we have to admit no one is going to manually enter that from scratch! Maybe each one of these can be forward to a link like (www.game-dog.com/peds/108905 (http://www.game-dog.com/peds/108905))
I'm not sure exactly what the URL structure will be at this time, but it will be a bit closer to the second one you mentioned than the first. It will probably be something like (http://www.game-dog.com/pedigrees/showped.php?p=108905)Lets give some more detail in these peds! Show a small star next to ancestors w/ photos while looking at a dogs ped.That is an idea I have not thought about. I will see about getting something like that added though although it will probably not be a star.Hmmmm, ever thought about adding links to your kennel/breeder on your peds without being an HTML dork?
Again, I'm not sure what you mean, but if you mean display a link to your kennel site or something like that on your pedigrees... there will be a button at the bottom of each pedigree that will be linked to the member's web site if they have one entered in their profile for the site.What about a gallery of photos on your peds (maybe 3 max), I know I hate having to pick one photo for people to see of my dog!The photos in the pedigree center will be used from the gallery we have on the site. I'm not quite sure how it will be in the end, but right now the members will be able to search through the gallery and select the picture that they want to display on the pedigree.
One thing we may be able to do is allow the member to choose multiple pictures for use with that pedigree and randomize the photos for display when the pedigree is viewed.Enable a nice print version button, that removes the tables and makes it nice like an ADBA's pedigree with (company name as background) ???There will be a four and five generation printable pedigree option for each pedigree. The one I threw together real quick looks really nice on paper, but still has the table borders.
If you want to check it out: http://www.game-dog.com/printped4.html
Like I said, I threw it together and since it looked rather well on paper, I haven't really made many modifications to it although it is still not complete.
If you have any other suggestions for that though, I would really like to hear them :)I still have crap load of ideas, and I can't believe people haven't said atlest a few of these "on the board" yet. Shon, I wish you the best with that.Please keep them coming and thanks ;)
I think the pedigrees online for this site is an excellent idea. I think most of the questions have been answered and I am glad there will be an alternative to the other peds online service. I'm glad to see this site growing more and more day by day. Some ppl need to understand that when we create a project such as this all opinions and comments are valuable to us. Together we can make everything 100% better :)
Thanks AC, and you are exactly right :)
Big River Kennels
01-01-2005, 01:49 PM
another thing I think would be great is if we could upload the picture of the dog as well with the ped. and show what registry the dog is registered with.
You will be able to use picture(s) from the gallery or upload a new picture for each pedigree.
You will also be able to set the registry along with the registration number. :)
DEACON ROM
01-02-2005, 11:34 AM
should bring more traffic when its finished. hl thinks traffic is good. lol
Mudville_Monsta
01-14-2005, 02:47 PM
Don't know if anyone has said this already. I had an I dea and didn't want to read thru all of the replyies. I'm dealing with a kennel and they have all of their pics and peds protected somehow. I think this is a good idea so nobody can steal or copy peds to edit and or use themselves.
Don't know if anyone has said this already. I had an I dea and didn't want to read thru all of the replyies. I'm dealing with a kennel and they have all of their pics and peds protected somehow. I think this is a good idea so nobody can steal or copy peds to edit and or use themselves.
Well, there's really no way for them to be public and not allow anybody to copy them. But check this post out and let me know if this would resolve your problem. :)
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20179&postcount=38
Mudville_Monsta
01-14-2005, 04:27 PM
halps out alot but if they can copy the ped than they can alter it on their own. My wife said what I was talking about earlier is disalibing the right click. I'm also contacting the kennel that did it to see how.
Disabling right clicking on the page will only do that, disable the ability to right click.
There is nothing that causes them not to be able to left click (because of having to click on links and such). They can still select the text\image and click Edit at the top of their browser and select Copy. Even if you was able to disable their menu at the top of their browser, there is no way to stop them from pressing CTRL + C on their keyboard.
Disabling the ability to right click on the site or any part of the site would be more of a hassle for the ones who really need to right click on site and only a slight detour for the ones who do not.
I am planning on "stamping" the pictures that are uploaded with a watermark image to hopefully stop them from copying images.
Although they can still copy them to their computer to use them, I'm also going to disallow "Hot Linking" images (linking directly to the image from another site) within a few weeks.
Mudville_Monsta
01-14-2005, 06:42 PM
I'll just shut up now ,Lol. sounds like you got it under control and I can't wait to see how it's going to work.
I'll just shut up now ,Lol. sounds like you got it under control and I can't wait to see how it's going to work.
Lol, no need to shut up. I was just answering your question(s), which is the reason for this thread. If you have anymore, please, by all means, ask away! ;)
i think this is a good idea, and its going to be big...
the_flamingo
05-19-2005, 12:09 PM
How much did the big blackout set you back on this?
whiteyransom
07-21-2005, 05:34 PM
Will The Pedigree Center Show Bloodline Percentages? I've Seen It On A Couple Of Other? And Maybe Have Links With Certain Bloodline Breederas
GameKid16
07-21-2005, 05:36 PM
will it be color coated??? like GR CH blue CH red etc etc, and if so then will you have a list or key of what color means which and also will there be a list of abrevastion(sp?) for people who dont know then all???
How much did the big blackout set you back on this?None, although there were a few pretty big changes that are coming along that set it back a little, but it shouldn't affect it much.Will The Pedigree Center Show Bloodline Percentages? I've Seen It On A Couple Of Other? And Maybe Have Links With Certain Bloodline BreederasThis will be most of the Statistics (http://www.game-dog.com/?page=pedstats) page.will it be color coated??? like GR CH blue CH red etc etc, and if so then will you have a list or key of what color means which and also will there be a list of abrevastion(sp?) for people who dont know then all???Look at the Pedigree (http://www.game-dog.com/index.php?page=showped) and scroll to the bottom. :)
GameKid16
07-22-2005, 10:41 AM
man shon that is awesome, it goin be great.....
it so much better than ped online, is finale really a CH or is that just the demo speakin, sorry I am confused
Marty
07-22-2005, 10:49 AM
man shon that is awesome, it goin be great.....
it so much better than ped online, is finale really a CH or is that just the demo speakin, sorry I am confusedNo, its just for the demo.
Lol... this will explain :)Information contained on this pre-demo for the Pit Bull Community Pedigree Center are for example only and are not accurate in any way.
GameKid16
07-22-2005, 10:53 AM
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well, silly me, I didnt see that part
misterdogman
07-22-2005, 10:55 AM
Is there going to be a feature where you can see if 2 dogs were ever bred...this would drastically reduce the number of fake peds if you could check to see if both parents were ever really bred at all.
Well, the only way to do that would be to go by what's in the database, and since we have to rely on the people who post the pedigrees for accuracy, there's really no way to tell whether a dog was really bred or not other than what people say.
DryCreek
07-22-2005, 11:03 AM
I've been a member of on-line peds for a couple of years now...Shon, you seem to be doing an awesome job on your ped center,might just have to change over now...Keep up the good work...
misterdogman
07-22-2005, 11:05 AM
Well, the only way to do that would be to go by what's in the database, and since we have to rely on the people who post the pedigrees for accuracy, there's really no way to tell whether a dog was really bred or not other than what people say.Daim, thats what I figured, too bad... in a perfect world...you know...it wouldnt be an issue.
It won't be an issue anyway as long as the moderators do their job and the members report fake pedigrees.
whiteyransom
08-05-2005, 09:03 PM
just wanted to say it looks great!!better than the sites i've seen for peds..
any idea of how long it might be before it goes up?
GrCh_Jeff
08-05-2005, 09:14 PM
Its awsome Shon.You have done an excellent job in putting it together.Congrats on behalf of Gamedog elite. :) ;)
keith
09-27-2005, 11:53 PM
i was looking for a tight bread bolio male for sale
Marty
09-28-2005, 12:43 AM
i was looking for a tight bread bolio male for saleSorry but no dogs for sell here, please read the rules before posting.
thanks :)
Dogs for sale are not actually in the rules, yet. On the other hand, this thread has nothing to do with selling dogs or anything other than the Pedigree Center, so if you have concerns about anything else, either find a thread relating to your inquiry or post another thread in the appropriate forum.
FireBone
10-03-2005, 02:22 PM
How long will do youguys think will be before the pedigree system is up I have herad talk about it for along time. I don't know if this has been answered I didn't want to read through all of the post.
Marty
10-03-2005, 03:15 PM
How long will do youguys think will be before the pedigree system is up I have herad talk about it for along time. I don't know if this has been answered I didn't want to read through all of the post.Well we had one person working on it and they gave up, we now have someone working on it that can handle it, it should be coming soon Please be patient, good things come to those who wait ;) Its some thing that can't be rushed :)
It won't be long now :)
I'm sure Shon will add to this as he talks to him on a daily bases.
There is no set timeframe and the best answer anyone could give at this time would be "when it is done."
findrodhere
02-06-2006, 01:24 AM
Any updates?
Rocky H. Balboa
02-07-2006, 09:55 AM
Shon and Marty, here is a suggestion relating to the pedigree Center:
Why not include a unique "Key Field" much like a SS# that will identify dogs regardless of change in name, ownership, etc. This may facilitate queries, etc.
Chato99
07-14-2006, 09:14 AM
Shon and Marty, here is a suggestion relating to the pedigree Center:
Why not include a unique "Key Field" much like a SS# that will identify dogs regardless of change in name, ownership, etc. This may facilitate queries, etc.
I think that is a good idea because I've noticed with dogs I'm trying to enter at peds online for a friend that some of them have already been entered, but there is a spelling error or there is an error with a dog in the pedigree.
I think it would be good if we could find a way to help facilitate helping each other's peds. For example I went look at a pedigree and one half was complete, the dam side was incomplete. I had the information to complete it, but the only way to do so would be to contact the person who initially entered it.
not saying we should just be able to change each other's peds but perhaps we could contact a monitor with the correct info?
I also love the idea of a date of birth/date of death. Someone mentioned that on the first page and it's a good one because it gives you a better idea of the time frame. Of course that may discourage people from entering "CH" titles before a recent dogs name.
My only concern is regarding dogs like Wanna Be A Whopper. Everyone knows that dog is not a full blood pit, but if you discount one dog then you have to discount all the dogs that end up in their line, like Chevy Red Dog. I almost think eliminating dogs over 100 pounds is not a bad idea.
sl8trtheh8r_22
05-08-2008, 10:04 PM
hi every 1 , I am new 2 this site > I resently bought a female pit >her father is listed as Allison's "Taz Man" > I'd like 2 breed her w/ my BLUE {he is Razor's Edge ,OG Greyline} -forgive my spelling- Can any 1 tell me where 2 start looking-up info on my Gorgeous Dogs ? >I would greatly appreciate any feed back ! ~Thanks U 4 your help~:)
Rocky H. Balboa
05-09-2008, 12:10 PM
There is no set timeframe and the best answer anyone could give at this time would be "when it is done."
LMFAO....you were not kidding....hahahahaha...:D
Marty
05-09-2008, 04:21 PM
We've not found anyone else that will take the time to do it :(
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