WARRIOR (jeep)

[srdjan]

Nedovic´s warrior 100% JEEP linehttp://www.game-dog.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8043&d=1240232313 (http://www.game-dog.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8043&d=1240232313)

[RedNozeChamp]

I never seen a jeep dog like that. He looks strong though

[oldslowblue]

Nedovic´s warrior 100% JEEP line

Looks good. Favors the Floyd dogs. Got a pedigree?

[ben brockton]

how do you get 100% jeep??

[BostonBully]

how do you get 100% jeep??

I agree how is the dog 100% jeep? Post up a ped.

[oldslowblue]

how do you get 100% jeep??

LOL. & You call yourself a pro... LOL. It's easy.... You breed Jeep back to himself, and then slice the sole survivor in 1/2. You guys are rookies.

[RedNozeChamp]

Its that easy? LMAO!

[websterz28]

how do you get 100% jeep??
he said 100 % jeep line as in all dogs in pedigree are off of jeep or down from dogs off of jeep thus carrying a large genetic contribution of jeeps genetics...the only dog thats 100% jeep is jeep himself,but i dont think its inaccurate to describe a line as being a jeep line even though jeep himself is a cross, because said line is attemping to focus on jeeps traits and genetics not the cross that created them. but i do think saying 100% jeep line is a little general because there are about 100 different distinct lines and families down from jeep.

[ben brockton]

is there a line that only has jeep bread dogs in it no outs?

[Bobby Rooster]

Ben stop being an ass... websterz28 hit the nail on the head

[RR3000]

lol...lol yall are too funny..lol

[ben brockton]

BOBBY ROOSTER stop being a nazi. thats your opinion in less you were there to stick em you dont know. remember argue with the post not the poster.

[Bobby Rooster]

LMAO, I'm the Nazi....

Frist off this site is NOT a democracy, but did I warn you? Did I give you an infraction? Did I ban you?

I would of said what I said if I was a mod or not. There is no need to be a compleate ass... What GOOD does that serve just to be a smart ass?? Hmm?? How many people do you convert being an ass??? How many people do you educate by insulting them?? How much good comes from turning people off??? You may get a laugh and a giggle but what GOOD does it serve?? The guy wants to show off his dog which looks good and you want to act like a 12 year old prick over what the guy said which wasn't a big deal....

I bet I could search thru your posts and find less than perfect staments...

Eaise up a bit man, no need to bust someone elses balls for little shit... And that goes FOR EVERY BODY even my self...

So who's the Nazi again??

[BostonBully]

I guess I am just a little on the slow side because I really didn't know how a dog could be 100% jeep lol. websterz28 post makes sence now.

[dragonpit]

lmao- you guys crack me up!:D But seriously that dog is built like a brick house:eek:-dang,though i've seen some well built dogs but.. wow.

-Jeep is where it came from i believe it!

[valkyrian_danger]

Nedovic´s warrior 100% JEEP line

Interesting looking dog! Got any more pics of him?

[PADogman]

And that goes FOR EVERY BODY...

Dam I better go stand in the corner then..Didnt post anything and getting yelled at. J/K BR dont go yelling at me again lol

[ben brockton]

ROSTER im not trying to convert anyone. Or change anyone way of thinking. & not trying to win outstanding citizen of GDF. IDK of any 100% of any bloodline. If you do educate me on that. Why do i need to sugar coat anything i say or post the world ain't a soft place. ya im a smart ass so what. i have done my share of educateing folks on here.

[TheVictor22]

maybe I'm alone on this but I'm not a fan of this dogs look..... Weres the ped? I'm currious.

Vic

[RedNozeChamp]

ROSTER im not trying to convert anyone. Or change anyone way of thinking. & not trying to win outstanding citizen of GDF. IDK of any 100% of any bloodline. If you do educate me on that. Why do i need to sugar coat anything i say or post the world ain't a soft place. ya im a smart ass so what. i have done my share of educateing folks on here.

BB I wasnt feelin you before but im feelin you now

[ben brockton]

R.N.C sometimes you just have to think about what i post . I dont bad mouth i just might not say what you want to here.

[RedNozeChamp]

R.N.C sometimes you just have to think about what i post . I dont bad mouth i just might not say what you want to here.

No doubt im like that myself but not on here

[chinasmom]

I am thinking the same Vic. That's not the best pic, but looks like bad splayed feet and his head has been stung by bees. Not knocking the dog cause have no right too, but the comments on how great he looks. What are you/we comparing him too? He looks very stout and strong but a little funny to me. Just an opinion. I would like to see a better pic.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

I'm not a fan of that dog either.As a game dog, I am very curious to see what the ped is. Looks like it is bully to me very blocky and overdone.Not my style for a GAMEDOG. You say its Jeep.

[TheVictor22]

ROSTER im not trying to convert anyone. Or change anyone way of thinking. & not trying to win outstanding citizen of GDF. IDK of any 100% of any bloodline. If you do educate me on that. Why do i need to sugar coat anything i say or post the world ain't a soft place. ya im a smart ass so what. i have done my share of educateing folks on here.

I can vouch for that. Tought me quite a bit.

[dragonpit]

Nedovic´s warrior 100% JEEP line
Hold on now! That looks like a strong dog! And weight wise-just on the chain-lil fat(55lbs on 50lbs off), should be nice and ripped come conditioning time!
Maybe i'm wrong? Looking for a better pic/ped!- yep dead serious-maybe not the hard mouth stuff but...it looks like a good dog to me! Even with the flip flops on him.Very stylish!
-It looks like he could play chicken with a semi truck and he would win!
-It looks like if you beat him with a baseball bat (or football bat-marty) that the bat would break as if Randy Jackson was pitching in the 1990's!
-He doesn't look like a brick house but eats brick houses for lunch!
-Looks to be bred part jeep and part lion, minus the lion main part though! http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/2.jpghttp://www.game-dog.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8043&d=1240232313


I see the family resemblence.

[TheVictor22]

I am thinking the same Vic. That's not the best pic, but looks like bad splayed feet and his head has been stung by bees. Not knocking the dog cause have no right too, but the comments on how great he looks. What are you/we comparing him too? He looks very stout and strong but a little funny to me. Just an opinion. I would like to see a better pic.


The feet were the first thing I noticed..... Is that one of the traits that show when a dog is really really inbred? like the underbite?


Vic

[ben brockton]

could be vic....the dog does have a black ring around the tail so it could be a honey bunch dog.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

The feet were the first thing I noticed..... Is that one of the traits that show when a dog is really really inbred? like the underbite?


Vic



Yeap! You talk about webbed. Found this online

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5,5 - 5,5......................................... in Carver's Amber (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/132424.html)
4,4 - 4,4......................................... in Crenshaw's Dolly (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/134474.html)
4,5,5,4,5,5 - 4,5,5,4,5,5......................... in Crenshaw's Honeybunch (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/134484.html)
3,4,3,4 - 3,4,3,4................................. in CH Crenshaw's Jeep (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/134489.html)
5,5 - 5,5......................................... in Crenshaw's Otis (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/134511.html)
3,3 - 3,3......................................... in Garrett's Raquel (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/138345.html)
4,5,4,5 - 4,5,4,5................................. in CH Finley's Bo (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/141081.html)
2 - 2............................................. in Garrett's Dixie (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/142167.html)
2 - 2............................................. in Garrett's Harley (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/142172.html)
5,5 - 5,5......................................... in Lopasay's Dot (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/149999.html)
5,5 - 5,5......................................... in Loposays Dubs (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/150267.html)
5,5 - 5,5......................................... in Walling's Bullyson (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/164634.html)
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Tristani's Caribbean Man (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/163304.html)


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Garrett's Dixie (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/142167.html)


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CH Crenshaw's Jeep (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/134489.html)

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Garrett's Harley (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/142172.html)


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CH Crenshaw's Jeep (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_pit_bull_terrier/pedigree/134489.html)

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[SMOKIN HEMI]

The feet were the first thing I noticed..... Is that one of the traits that show when a dog is really really inbred? like the underbite?


Vic


Vic you hit the nail on the head.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

Hold on now! That looks like a hard mouth strong dog! And weight wise-just on the chain-lil fat(50lbs on 55lbs off), should be nice and ripped come conditioning time!
Maybe i'm wrong? Looking for a better pic/ped too!
WHAT????????

[chinasmom]

The feet were the first thing I noticed..... Is that one of the traits that show when a dog is really really inbred? like the underbite?


Vic

Could be from breeding, but more likely from diet. The lack of calcium in the diet can cause this also too much vitamin D. And then if the dog is inside, not cutting toenails can cause the toes to splay.

Well, could be from the breeding. Thanks for the ped. B

[SMOKIN HEMI]

Could be from breeding, but more likely from diet. The lack of calcium in the diet can cause this also too much vitamin D. And then if the dog is inside, not cutting toenails can cause the toes to splay.
That dog looks like he has flip flops on.. Again maybe it is a bad picture.

[AncientKulcha]

How come when I google the name all i get is blue dogs or blue tri-colored pups? Anyone got and better ped? Am i looking in the wrong place?:confused::confused:

[SMOKIN HEMI]

How come when I google the name all i get is blue dogs or blue tri-colored pups? Anyone got and better ped? Am i looking in the wrong place?:confused::confused:
I looked under peds online I could not find anything. Let me try something else.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=49775

[~P.Champ~]

Looks kinda like a Buff Sherpei with webbed feet.


The dog does look solid though, Does the OP have another pic?

[Searcy Jeff]

Hold on now! That looks like a hard mouth strong dog! And weight wise-just on the chain-lil fat(50lbs on 55lbs off), should be nice and ripped come conditioning time!
Maybe i'm wrong? Looking for a better pic/ped too!
I hope you were kidding about this.

[RR3000]

Not a jeep fan either,but if that's how the dog is bred,then from the ped only,it looks like a good foundation point

[ben brockton]

RR3000. way to much inbreeding imo bro/sis + half bro/sis. its kinda like the saying " you can breed the good right out of the dog". people who inbreed like that are most times peddlers. and call it "brood" because there ain't no ability left understand .

[Marty]

Ben then you have a problem with my program then...

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=175576

[Marty]

Copyright 1996, Sarah Hartwell

Adapted, with permission, from Cat Recourse Archive and edited by Dog Breed Info.




Inbreeding is the mating together of closely related dogs, for example mother/son, father/daughter and sibling/sibling matings. For breeders, it is a useful way of fixing traits in a breed - the pedigrees of some exhibition dogs show that many of their forebears are closely related. For example, there is a famous cat by the name of Fan Tee Cee (shown in the 1960s and 1970s) appeared in more and more Siamese pedigrees, sometimes several times in a single pedigree, as breeders were anxious to make their lines more typey. Superb specimens are always much sought after for stud services or offspring (unless they have already been neutered!) having won the approval of show judges.



However, inbreeding holds potential problems. The limited genepool caused by continued inbreeding means that deleterious genes become widespread and the breed loses vigor. Laboratory animal suppliers depend on this to create uniform strains of animal which are immuno-depressed or breed true for a particular disorder e.g. epilepsy. Such animals are so inbred as to be genetically identical (clones!), a situation normally only seen in identical twins. Similarly, a controlled amount of inbreeding can be used to fix desirable traits in farm livestock e.g. milk yield, lean/fat ratios, rate of growth etc.



NATURAL OCCURRENCE OF INBREEDING



This is not to say that inbreeding does not occur naturally. A wolf pack, which is isolated from other wolf packs, by geographical or other factors, can become very inbred. The effect of any deleterious genes becomes noticeable in later generations as the majority of the offspring inherit these genes. Scientists have discovered that wolfs, even if living in different areas, are genetically very similar. Possibly the desolation of their natural habitat has drastically reduced wolf numbers in the past crating a genetic bottleneck.

In the wolf, the lack of genetic diversity makes them susceptible to disease since they lack the ability to resist certain viruses. Extreme inbreeding affects their reproductive success with small litter sizes and high mortality rates. Some scientists hope that they can developed a more varied gene pool by introducing wolfs from other areas into the inbred wolf packs.


Another animal suffering from the effects of inbreeding is the Giant Panda. As with the wolf, this has led to poor fertility among Pandas and high infant mortality rates. As Panda populations become more isolated from one another (due to humans blocking the routes which Pandas once used to move from one area to another), Pandas have greater difficulty in finding a mate with a different mix of genes and breed less successfully.


In cats natural isolation and inbreeding have given rise to domestic breeds such as the Manx which developed on an island so that the gene for taillessness became widespread despite the problems associated with it.

Apart from the odd cat jumping ship on the Isle of Man, there was little outcrossing and the effect of inbreeding is reflected in smaller-than-average litter sizes (geneticists believe that more Manx kittens than previously thought are reabsorbed due to genetic abnormality), stillbirths and spinal abnormalities which diligent breeders have worked so hard to eliminate.

Some feral colonies become highly inbred due to being isolated from other cats (e.g. on a remote farm) or because other potential mates in the area have been neutered, removing them from the gene pool.

Most cat workers dealing with ferals have encountered some of the effects of inbreeding. Within such colonies there may be a higher than average occurrence of certain traits. Some are not serious e.g. a predominance of calico pattern cats. Other inherited traits which can be found in greater than average numbers in inbred colonies include polydactyly (the most extreme case reported so far being an

American cat with 9 toes on each foot), dwarfism (although dwarf female cats can have problems when try to deliver kittens due to the kittens' head size), other structural deformities or a predisposition to certain inheritable conditions.


The ultimate result of continued inbreeding is terminal lack of vigor and probable extinction as the gene pool contracts, fertility decreases, abnormalities increase and mortality rates rise.


SELECTIVE BREEDING


Artificial isolation (selective breeding) produces a similar effect. When creating a new breed from an attractive mutation, the gene pool is initially necessarily small with frequent matings between related dogs. Some breeds which resulted from spontaneous mutation have been fraught with problems such as the Bulldog. Problems such as hip dysplasia and achalasia in the German Shepherd and patella luxation are more common in certain breeds and breeding lines than in others, suggesting that past inbreeding has distributed the faulty genes. Selecting suitable outcrosses can reintroduce healthy genes, which might otherwise be lost, without adversely affecting type.


Zoos engaged in captive breeding programs are aware of this need to outcross their own stock to animals from other collections. Captive populations are at risk from inbreeding since relatively few mates are available to the animals, hence zoos must borrow animals from each other in order to maintain the genetic diversity of offspring.


Inbreeding holds problems for anyone involved in animal husbandry - from canary fanciers to farmers. Attempts to change the appearance of the Pug in attempts to have a flatter face and a rounder head resulted in more c-sections being required and other congenital problems. Some of these breeds are loosing there natural ability to give birth without human assistance.



In the dog world, a number of breeds now exhibit hereditary faults due to the over-use of a particularly "typey" stud which was later found to carry a gene detrimental to health. By the time the problems came to light they had already become widespread as the stud had been extensively used to "improve" the breed. In the past some breeds were crossed with dogs from different breeds in order to improve type, but nowadays the emphasis is on preserving breed purity and avoiding mongrels.

Those involved with minority breeds (rare breeds) of livestock face a dilemma as they try to balance purity against the risk of genetic conformity.

Enthusiasts preserve minority breeds because their genes may prove useful to farmers in the future, but at the same time the low numbers of the breed involved means that it runs the risk of becoming unhealthily inbred. When trying to bring a breed back from the point of extinction, the introduction of "new blood" through crossing with an unrelated breed is usually a last resort because it can change the very character of the breed being preserved. In livestock, successive generations of progeny must be bred back to a purebred ancestor for 6 - 8 generations before the offspring can be considered purebred themselves.

In the dog fancy, breed purity is equally desirable, but can be taken to ridiculous lengths. Some fancies will not recognize "hybrid" breeds such as the white or Parti-Schnauzer because it produces variants.

Breeds which cannot produce some degree of variability among their offspring risk finding themselves in the same predicament as wolfs and Giant Pandas.

Such fancies have lost sight of the fact that they are registering "pedigree" dogs, not "pure-bred" dogs, especially since they may recognize breeds which require occasional outcrossing to maintain type!

Continued below...

[ben brockton]

MARTY look at the ped again. you have other dogs crossed there is a difference between tight & down right inbread.

[Marty]

IMPLICATIONS OF INBREEDING FOR THE DOG BREEDER



Most dog breeders are well aware of potential pitfalls associated with inbreeding although it is tempting for a novice to continue to use one or two closely related lines in order to preserve or improve type.



Breeding to an unrelated line of the same breed (where possible) or outcrossing to another breed (where permissible) can ensure vigor.

Despite the risk of importing a few undesirable traits which may take a while to breed out, outcrossing can prevent a breed from stagnating by introducing fresh genes into the gene pool. It is important to outcross to a variety of different dogs, considered to be genetically "sound" (do any of their previous offspring exhibit undesirable traits?) and preferably not closely related to each other.



How can you tell if a breed or line is becoming too closely inbred? One sign is that of reduced fertility in either males or females. Male dogs are known to have a low fertility rate. Small litter sizes and high puppy mortality on a regular basis indicates that the dogs may be becoming too closely related. The loss of a large proportion of dogs to one disease indicates that the dogs are losing/have lost immune system diversity. If 50% of individuals in a breeding program die of a simple infection, there is cause for concern.



Highly inbred dogs also display abnormalities on a regular basis as "bad" genes become more widespread. These abnormalities can be simple undesirable characteristics such as misaligned jaws (poor bite) or more serious deformities.

Sometimes a fault can be traced to a single male or female which should be removed from the breeding program even if it does exhibit exceptional type. If its previous progeny are already breeding it's tempting to think "Pandora's Box is already open and the damage done so I'll turn a blind eye". Ignoring the fault and continuing to breed from the dog will cause the faulty genes to become even more widespread in the breed, causing problems later on if its descendants are bred together.



In cats, one breed which was almost lost because of inbreeding is the American Bobtail. Inexperienced breeders tried to produce a colorpoint bobtailed cat with white boots and white blaze and which bred true for type and color, but only succeeded in producing unhealthy inbred cats with poor temperaments.



A later breeder had to outcross the small fine-boned cats she took on, at the same time abandoning the rules governing color and pattern, in order to reproduce the large, robust cats required by the standard and get the breed on a sound genetic footing.



CONCLUSION

Inbreeding is a two-edged sword. On the one hand a certain amount of inbreeding can fix and improve type to produce excellent quality animals. On the other hand, excessive inbreeding can limit the gene pool so that the breed loses vigor. Breeds in the early stages of development are most vulnerable as numbers are small and the dogs may be closely related to one another. It is up to the responsible breeder to balance inbreeding against crossings with unrelated dogs in order to maintain the overall health of the line or breed concerned.

PROS AND CONS OF INBREEDING DOGS, Inbreeding Dogs (http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/inbreeding.htm)

[ben brockton]

MARTY wernt you the one who post the youtube vid on UKC dogs in the UK . that shows what can go wrong

[Marty]

Inbreeding has been a tool for yrs though :rolleyes:

[ben brockton]

yes you have to what im saying is look at his ped the look at yours

[Marty]

Not 100% jeep dog but as close as you can get...

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=1626

[TheVictor22]

RR3000. way to much inbreeding imo bro/sis + half bro/sis. its kinda like the saying " you can breed the good right out of the dog". people who inbreed like that are most times peddlers. and call it "brood" because there ain't no ability left understand .


I don't know much but lookin at the ped it looks too tight.... By lookin at that dogs feet I would say. If they haven't started looking for an out they probably should be. Assuming his feet are that way from the inbreeding. Inbreeding is a great tool but. Too much of anything is bad.

Vic

[TripleJ]

Ive bred tighter than that! brother sister 3 times and I allways get a RETARD and he its allways a he, is deaf or blind. Had one last time we called blind cousin But let me say this they allways looked good and were bad ass sobs. I think you can breed the good out old saying goes you keep breeding together you get nothing. But some strains you can go tight as hell and still get all bulldog. I belive if you keep them all close and watch them you can go tight as you want.there is some strains that just aint worth a shit bred tight they have no talent and cant bust a grape but I belive the right stuf can work.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

I agree Trip but when you start having defects like webbed feet blindness dieases it is time to cull, right???

[TheVictor22]

The feet though..... I would damn sure look for an out. a bunch of pups like that would be no good. feet like that would effect preformance i would assume...... with that being said has he proven himself worthy with bad feet? Not saying anything about the owner. just want to hear some others opinion. in this case would you breed this dog? and if so how. would you out?


On another note.... Were is the OP? would be good to hear from them.


Vic

[ben brockton]

when you inbread for 4 gens you should all ready know your going to cull damn neer all the dogs at some point. for me i like a performance type dog so i get the best results out of a cross im trying to breed a better dog then the parents . For me if i get a bad ass retard/blind/deaff ya he might ern a spot on my yard but he will never be bread.

[TripleJ]

when you inbread for 4 gens you should all ready know your going to cull damn neer all the dogs at some point. for me i like a performance type dog so i get the best results out of a cross im trying to breed a better dog then the parents . For me if i get a bad ass retard/blind/deaff ya he might ern a spot on my yard but he will never be bread.
You dont breed him you breed what made him! and alot of tight bred dogs seem retarded to a point. after a while you have to add some sort of out. my self I only inbreed this line witch is all bullyson and they donot look like a damn hall dog they have straight legs and tanks for lungs. But this is the only line I have had good luck with inbreeding. And when I do an out it is to a dog with traits I like. Its allways a gamble but what I myself like is about a spit of the Chans floyd that allways seems to put right what I like back in with out loosing anything.

[ben brockton]

i keep em pups till 2/ 2.5 never any sooner. they dont get to breed till like 5 or 6. So for me i cant breed what made em but they have what i like so they will get bread. i know i can get a gamedog off my yard so thats why i dont inbread in every gen linebreed yes.

[RR3000]

All those ways yall were talking about work and are proven ways -ALL OF THEM-....So to sum it up(what works for me may not work for you)

[RedNozeChamp]

[quote=TripleJ;326448]Ive bred tighter than that! brother sister 3 times and I allways get a RETARD and he its allways a he, is deaf or blind.

Is it common to get retards or defects in the first generation bro sis breeding? Say both parents had no common ancestory.

[dwd58]

Tight inbreeding only brings faults that would otherwise be hidden to the surface so you can cull the fault out of a line. The fault is there , whether you see it or not, if you outcross, the fault is still there and will pop up on down the road eventually. if you inbreed, it will bring that fault to the surface, and if you contiually cull for the fault, then you will eventually eliminate it from that line. You should not inbreed unless you are willing to cull from the line. This could mean eliminating a dog, or spaying or nutering that dog so that it cannot be bred back into the family.

[cutt]

Is it common to get retards or defects in the first generation bro sis breeding? Say both parents had no common ancestory.

If the parents had no common ancenstors, then there not related, so there not inbred.

[websterz28]

If the parents had no common ancenstors, then there not related, so there not inbred.
I think he meant parents of the bro sis bredding pair not being inbred themselves, and it should not be a problem at all

[mseebran]

Ben then you have a problem with my program then...

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=175576

I second that emotion Marty, We love tight bred jeep down here in the deep south.

Inbreeding and linebreeding are very important tools that are quite useful when properly used by experienced breeders.Extensive knowledge of the bloodline at hand has to come into play.Desirable/Undesirable traits, strengths/weaknesses, the dogs in the program themselves and don't forget conformation.Conformation is not the most important thing for a working dog, drive is, but without proper conformation a working dog cannot function.It takes years of experience to understand the fundamentals of properly inbreeding to attain and isolate the desired 'type'.Have I ever attempted? Hell no, I'm not even close to biting off that much.Also the faint of heart need not apply, as a child I remember entire litters growing to maturity on the same yard they were born on only to all be culled because they did not measure up. I know, I know, all the softies on here are thinking - oh my god, gasp!! Well it's through these practices that we have the dogs we have today.For those that don't know, inbreeding, testing and culling is how our breed was devoloped.Matter of fact it's how all breeds were developed.The testing of other breeds is different than ours, but in the end, it's all the same principle.

I have seen inbreeding so tight and steadily inbred that freaks of nature came out. Yes , you can breed the good out a line if you inbreed long enough. If you think your line is too close or it's beginning to close in, do a compatible outcross, then linebreed on whichever one you have to so that you can improve further.Linebreeding in my opinion is very important.After an outcross you acheive the hybrid vigour that is sometimes need. You choose who's worthy and linebreed to lock in the traits you wanna keep.

Look at the ped Marty posted a link to. The line is bred tight, but not stupid tight.Don't just look at the names, look at how they are laid out on the pedigree and then visualize the relation of the dogs used. Very nice Marty, and I'm not just kissing ass here folks, those dogs are bred right on paper, I have never met any of them in person, but I'm sure they measure up there as well.

[TripleJ]

I second that emotion Marty, We love tight bred jeep down here in the deep south.

Inbreeding and linebreeding are very important tools that are quite useful when properly used by experienced breeders.Extensive knowledge of the bloodline at hand has to come into play.Desirable/Undesirable traits, strengths/weaknesses, the dogs in the program themselves and don't forget conformation.Conformation is not the most important thing for a working dog, drive is, but without proper conformation a working dog cannot function.It takes years of experience to understand the fundamentals of properly inbreeding to attain and isolate the desired 'type'.Have I ever attempted? Hell no, I'm not even close to biting off that much.Also the faint of heart need not apply, as a child I remember entire litters growing to maturity on the same yard they were born on only to all be culled because they did not measure up. I know, I know, all the softies on here are thinking - oh my god, gasp!! Well it's through these practices that we have the dogs we have today.For those that don't know, inbreeding, testing and culling is how our breed was devoloped.Matter of fact it's how all breeds were developed.The testing of other breeds is different than ours, but in the end, it's all the same principle.

I have seen inbreeding so tight and steadily inbred that freaks of nature came out. Yes , you can breed the good out a line if you inbreed long enough. If you think your line is too close or it's beginning to close in, do a compatible outcross, then linebreed on whichever one you have to so that you can improve further.Linebreeding in my opinion is very important.After an outcross you acheive the hybrid vigour that is sometimes need. You choose who's worthy and linebreed to lock in the traits you wanna keep.

Look at the ped Marty posted a link to. The line is bred tight, but not stupid tight.Don't just look at the names, look at how they are laid out on the pedigree and then visualize the relation of the dogs used. Very nice Marty, and I'm not just kissing ass here folks, those dogs are bred right on paper, I have never met any of them in person, but I'm sure they measure up there as well.
Ohawww come on you all know we like em tight in the south! thats how we keep it real!!!

[KeystoneState]

There have been MUCH tighter breedings that produced titled dogs. Some lines can withstand heavy inbreeding without major faults. Think about some of the older, continuous lines. Many people can't wrap their heads around breeding the same dogs without outs for that many generations. Culling is a major factor in this type of breeding. Or should be in any breeding. JMHO. Take it for what it's worth....

BTW. The dog looks like sh#t.

[ben brockton]

i gues i just put more stock in to the man behind the dogs. I think with the right education you are able to get the result you want. maby i just been lucky lol.

[oldslowblue]

There have been MUCH tighter breedings that produced titled dogs. Some lines can withstand heavy inbreeding without major faults. Think about some of the older, continuous lines. Many people can't wrap their heads around breeding the same dogs without outs for that many generations. Culling is a major factor in this type of breeding. Or should be in any breeding. JMHO. Take it for what it's worth....

BTW. The dog looks like sh#t.

I knew I knew these dogs. They are products of tighter breedings, but are worth feeding. We were at a show around 99' and Boricua Boy had one there. Not a fan of how they look, but I the judges were obviously impressed as he took best in show. That line of dog is very highly intense, and has a prey drive of a comic book vampire. No one was probably familiar with the dog because they are from the u.s. but are bred in Puerto Rico. Really good dogs and very much worth feeding. B-Boy~~ Holler at me!FIS-BLUE