Pup question?

[14rock]

Hi, Ive been researching this breed for over 2 years now and have finally decided to get a pup. Im intrested in a game dog (primarily for weight pulls) that will be able to live in the house and be a good pet. I have found what I believe to be a good breeder in my area with some good blood at good prices. Before I go check out the kennel in person I was hoping I could get some opinions on the bloodlines of the pups im looking at. Is my wish for an indoor pet reasonable? Any other info you can give me I would greatly appreciate it, thanks in advance. So here are the pups im intrested in......

Black MALE $300. "CH" Alligator/Watchdog & Hughzees

Black FEMALE $300. CH" Alligator/Watchdog & Hughzees

Seal FEMALE $300. 3/4 Plumbers "CH" Alligator 1/4 Watchdog Hughzees .

P.S. im mostly intrested in a male, but maybe for a first dog a female would be more managable? Any input appreciated on the matter. Thank you!

[JC-Pitbulls]

An APBT can be a great housedog if trained properly. They learn really quick. As far as thinking a female is easier to deal with than a male, I'm not so sure on that, my females are really stubborn, but aren't we all. Godd luck with the pup you choose. Remember you are getting a game dog, so hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Never under estimate your dog. He or she may suprise you.

[rocksteady]

I have found males tend to be much more easy going and the females alot "fiestier" especially when raised in the house. as for one being better than the other, its all a matter of what you want. Females can be more apt to bark at people coming to the door than males, too ..

One thing to consider is that if you want a weight pull dog and this is your first , you should probably stick with a male. One BIG reason is females go into heat and during that time you cannot show or have them pull in competitions. So you could have shows you really wanted to attend (like the Nationals ) or some serious comps and not be able to attend with her

Theres also the fact that during the heat cycle you'll need to be extra carefull and make sure the boys in the nieghborhood stay away .. (males will do ANYTHING to get to a female) Not to mention the discharge that can stain up your house .. (and all this starts as early as 6 months to a year)

[Jenn]

I agree with Rocksteady and JC. I would go with a male myself. I have a "house" dog actually two of them. They are both very good dogs and learn quickly. Can be a little rowdy sometimes - watch what you have in the "tail range" on tables and stuff.. LOL

[hawk]

I have both a male and female as a house dog (not at the same time of course) there is not a problem with having them as house dogs. If you are going to get a truly GAME dog you will only be able to have one in the house. Also just to note a lot of the Watchdog stuff has AMSTAFF in it.

[carson3535]

I have a male and female in the house. I got the male when he ws 4 months and he learned fast how to live in a house. Now the female I got at 5 weeks she took sometime teaching and was and is very hard headed when it comes to certain things. But like everyone else said, I also agree get a male first if your wanting to enter wieght pulling.

As far as the bloodline you will hear so much differant things about the "watchdog" bloodline, I say get what you think is right and make the best of it.

[14rock]

Thanks alot for all the info you guys. I have heard that about the watchdog bloodlines before,and was a little bit concerned, but as long as it is a good game dog, I really dont care what the papers look like, I mean it would be nice to have both but I would rather have a good dog than good papers since I dont intend to breed. One more quick question if I could, Is "CH" Alligator off the same gator that I have heard so much about? And what does "Ch" and ROM mean if you could please, thats one thing I have never heard until I came onto these forums. Thanks alot.

[rocksteady]

You know..much of the OLDER Am staff was directly off excellent game dogs .. Older watchdog was a mixture of both "Am Staff" and game bred dog lines (Bully Boy Bob who is Clouse /Bolio, Blue Rowdy is heavy Colby /Mason, GRCH UCD TYEE'S SATIN MAGIC (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=11751) has some Heinzle , Carver (the Coplins lines in her are this.) William's Red Jack 1XW has lines to Xperts (which is also found in Watchdog lines) Williams REd Jack in in the pedigree of GR CH Norrods Dutchess who is one of the only females to become a Dual Champion

And dont forget CH Turtlebuster has AM Staff in him, too through CH Adams Kingfish by way of CH Tacoma All-A-Blaze..

It all depends on the breeder you get your dog from and what they do with their dogs. Lines dont guarentee gameness..nor does getting a pup off of 2 game dogs mean your pup will be game. (but you'll have a much better chance than if off 2 non game parents)

Most of Todays Watchdog is bred for looks, size, color and in name only. Thats where you have to watch out and go with a breeder who competes with their dogs and makes sure they are using good stock then Personally I'm not a big fan of Watchdog.. but then peds dont make the dog.. here's my girl.. she also has a borhter (littermate) who's been siring game dogs and CH conformation dogs..

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=62555

[hawk]

One more quick question if I could, Is "CH" Alligator off the same gator that I have heard so much about?
That all depends on which "gator" you have heard about. There are several different dogs named "gator" that have made a name for themselves. Rodriquez (Crenshaw's) CH Gator ROM http://k9ped.com/cgi-bin/geneal.pl?op=tree&index=31991&gens=4&db=pitbull.dbw
Lloyd's (R.Sorrells) CH Gator http://k9ped.com/cgi-bin/geneal.pl?op=tree&index=22237&gens=4&db=pitbull.dbw Hughes CH Gator http://k9ped.com/cgi-bin/geneal.pl?op=tree&index=17766&gens=4&db=pitbull.dbw Garner's Little Gator ROM http://k9ped.com/cgi-bin/geneal.pl?op=tree&index=13195&gens=4&db=pitbull.dbw Usually when people are talking about Plumber's CH Alligator http://k9ped.com/cgi-bin/geneal.pl?op=tree&index=28984&gens=4&db=pitbull.dbw they say Alligator.

And what does "Ch" and ROM mean if you could please, thats one thing I have never heard until I came onto these forums.
"CH" stands for Champion which could mean a couple of things. A Confirmation champion is a show dog. A performance champion was a pit dog which had won three matches. ROM stands for register of merit which means a female has produced three "performance" champions or for a male they had to produce four "performance" champions. I have not heard the term ROM used for show dogs.

but as long as it is a good game dog, I really dont care what the papers look like, I mean it would be nice to have both but I would rather have a good dog than good papers since I dont intend to breed.
I understand wanting a good game dog because they are the most stable dogs to have. But there is only one way to tell if "your" dog is game. If you intent is not to breed there is no reason to check your dog anyway, so I would just concentrate on getting a dog from a good game line with the breeding that you like.

[sillyfilly]

im so glad to hear that you did your homework and researched the dogs before getting 1....i have a boudreaux/watchdog female that is a powerful dog. i weight pull her and she has been in 3 shows....2 first and a second. get a hold of me if you want any info on getting started in weight pulling...i will be glad to help...you can email me below!

[14rock]

Thanks for all the great help you guys. I appreciate it alot. This is a great place.

[boostedaddiction]

I just wanted to follow up on the male vs. female posts earlier. My male was much easier to train and he's much more laid back. He pretty much goes with flow. He is happty to entertain himself if you aren't paying attention to him or he's happy if you are. On the other hand, my female was harder to train (especially house training), we had to deal with submissive urinating from her, she is also much more animal aggressive than my male (unless he's protecting her!). She is more leary of people as well. But at the same time, she is much more lovable, but needy in wanting attention. She is also very bitchy...she stomps her feet, grumbles, and 'demands' a lot.

[Crash97]

Now this is the opposite of the dogs I've had. Most of the females (especially the one I got now) were laid back. The males on the other hand were definately not laid back. If somethings going on outside, my male is at every window and door to determine if it's a problem. So basically it boils down to individual personalities. IMO

[Mudville_Monsta]

Don't know here. My females are harder to train but my male is ,more stubborn and demanding. I guess I have doulble the trouble. Good Luck with your pick.

[14rock]

Hey guys, I wound up getting a pup from that breeder but none of those dogs. I went to look at his yard after talking to him a few times and I was just shocked by what I saw. Excellent dogs, well taken care of, very nice person. Just a great experience. I picked out a male he had and Im very happy with him. He wasnt game bred and I dont expect him to be anything I know hes not. Hes a very laid back, almost too much, hes a lazy boy. But he is a great companion and every day I see more and more of the pit traits that we all hold so high such as courage, loyalty, and just a fun loving nature to please. I am really trying to find pictures of him that are decent but the digi cam went to sh** and my girlfriends camera with some pictures just quit working so for now im out of luck. Soon I will have some though. I seen a members dog that looked 100 percent like him but I forgot whose it was and now I cant find it. I was told he was a blue fawn merle but from what Ive seen, he looks nothing like merle dogs. He is almost all fawn except his back he has some blue hair under the fawn which looks awesome and a white/fawn face with a black mask.Its hard to describe but Ive seen a dog with the exact same markings on here.....maybe I can find it and get your guys' opinions on if its a merle or not? Hell I dont know im just happy with the little guy and thats all that really matters. Thanks for all the intrest and sorry you had to listen to this proud pit owner for so long !


Edit-I found a pic of a dog with the same markings on the gallery. This is not my dog and I hope the owner doesnt mind me showing a pic of their dog. If the owner wants, tell me and I will remove it. My question is.....would you consider this a merle dog?