High intelligence in certain bloodlines

[jr102770]

To me intelligence is a very important trait in a dog, i have had some pitbulls that werent intelligent at all.So that brings me to my question

Which bloodlines throw very intelligent dogs?with a high willingness to obey.

[AncientKulcha]

I was wondering about overall intelligence myself
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[AncientKulcha]

LOL, if there was a bloodline that consistently threw "intelligence", most people would have that in their yards. Gameness, intelligence, wind, and ability are the essentials in breeding these dogs.

So there's not one thats maybe a little smarter with a little less wind or as i've heard some redboy dogs described dumb game?

[jr102770]

@ rocky : i believe you told me 2 blooldines of which were more intelligent but i cant recall which ones they were.care to enlighten me :)

@jbest : i have heard that from some breeders as well. i however had one redboy/jeep pup who was very smart,but i forgot what strains.

[who]

the dumber they are the gamer they are........ a too smart of a dog will start "thinking" instead of "being" thats my opinion

[clmr]

IMO the DOA Virgil stuff are way smarter than your average hound. They easily pick-up on your mannerisms and adapt to them. They excell at obedience training and new workout techniques too.

[jr102770]

the dumber they are the gamer they are........ a too smart of a dog will start "thinking" instead of "being" thats my opinion yea i have heard that several times before, but intelligence just my personal preference

to each his own i guess

[Bobby Rooster]

From My personal experience dogs from the OFRN strain TEND to be very smart in what they do while they do it.... What to look for is EFFECTIVENESS if a dog is not effective he might be the hardest bitter, smartest, gamest, or whatever..... but if he is not EFFECTIVE with what he has then he is useless,,,, as a working dog.....

[clmr]

Red Cocaine, effectiveness? The majority of mine are VERY effective, but not all of them are highly intelligent.

[Yard Boy]

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[jr102770]

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[Yard Boy]

jr102770....No offense to be taken. :confused:

I just see some things differently than others. I agree with you as to hearing that some strains are a lil more intelligent than others, BUT MYSELF, I never pay much attention to what lines are more intelligent as I am a firm beliver that a dog is only as good as one makes him.

When one first filters what they prefer out of each dog they fancy....And encompass that into our own breeding, then we will have accomplished what we OPINIONATINGLY see as superior. Follow me. My point is this....Animals reflect their surroundings.

I'll give you an example. I have a dog here... Tgh-n-Tndr Knnls "Phuka Blu" call name "Biddi". She is 27 pounds to date, and maybe the size of a 4 month old. I didn't like that in so much of the EXCESSIVE level she would go. Well, she gets here at my yard...And the atmosphere is wayyyy different. She is a loving girl. Still a fool! But not "acting" so hot anymore.

So that not so intelligent dog I picked up is now intelligent in MY OPINION as she knows that "acting" she is accustomed to IS NOT allowed here.

So, when I said giggles, it was not to downgrade you at all, and my apologies if taken that way. :o

I also have a dumb ass reverse blue brindle bitchl Dumb in the sense that she knows there is reprecussions. Reactions to her actions if you will! Yet, you take her out of hand, off a chain and place her by herself.....That dumb ass dog will be the most obediant dog there is.

[STPFAN]

OFRN are very intelligent dogs as well as the Virgil dogs from Gambler! Heard the same thing about Sorrells stuff and Patricks dogs!

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[Bobby Rooster]

Red Cocaine, effectiveness? The majority of mine are VERY effective, but not all of them are highly intelligent.

if a dog is not effective he might be the hardest bitter, smartest, gamest, or whatever..... but if he is not EFFECTIVE with what he has then he is useless,,, as a working dog.....

A smart dog can be more effective.... but a effective dog isn't always a smart one, as you stated.... BUT which one do you think has the advantage? and a better question would be.... what does each of us call intelligence? I think the two go hand and hand..... Maybe we call the same thing by two different names... or maybe we call two different things by the same name...

How far does the rabbit hole go?

[who]

to me effectivness is what a bloodline is known for.... they are family traits...... "smarts" to me is a dog that can problem solve...... cuz a person can look at one dog and see a blank stare and in another dog a person can see that it's thinking...... but in my opinion a dog doesn't need to think to much...... i guess i like a blank stare one track minded dog

[Bobby Rooster]

A multi-dimensional dog with a one track mind

[mseebran]

the dumber they are the gamer they are........ a too smart of a dog will start "thinking" instead of "being" thats my opinion

Some may not beleive this but it is very true. If I had to say the exact same thing, I would problay use a a word different than "dumber", lol, but the essence of the statement is one that I agree with. Why? Because it's something that I experienced right here at my home with my two dogs. I have a brindle bitch, mostly colby cowboy, who is a joy to be around, GREAT with the kids and game to the bone, but for lack of better words, dumb as a box of rocks. My OFRN male, still a pup, showing good drive, sharp as nails and super smart. She had the fire in her eyes from a very young age, and has always had intensity in her drive. All of her female siblings, exactly the same.

[BKNLS]

Some of the most intelligent bloodlines are Colby, Heinzl, and Boudreaux.

[jr102770]

@yardboy: No offense taken,wanted to hear what you were saying :)

"BUT MYSELF, I never pay much attention to what lines are more intelligent as I am a firm beliver that a dog is only as good as one makes him."

interesting, but what I meant by intelligence, is that some dogs that have the predisposition to listen better to what they are told then others.


From the example with your female you received, It seems like your definition of intelligence is different than mine. To me the fact that she stopped doing whatever you told her that means she has intelligence in her, other hard-headed dogs wouldnt have understood it or wouldnt have understood it as easy and im looking for bloodlines/strains of dogs that are naturally slightly smarter then your average one.


@who: ""smarts" to me is a dog that can problem solve...... "

no i dont mean that when i say intelligence, a dog doesnt necessaerly need to be able to do math for it to be intelligent IMO.

[StopBSL]

Some of the most intelligent bloodlines are Colby, Heinzl, and Boudreaux.

I can attest to the intelligence of the Colby blood I have. . . My females are both very very very smart.

But, I also have a male he is redboy/panther and he is very smart. He taught himself all his commands just by watching my females. He can sit, stay, come, high five, jump directly in the air on command, roll over, leave it or fetch things and he recycles cans all from just watching dogs and people.

I think that intelligence has more to do with individual dogs than the line persay. but if you breed together two intelligent dogs you can bet on getting a majority of intelligent puppies from it. . . i can say that was true when our male and our most intelligent female had pups.

they were all very smart and potty trained in days.

[BKNLS]

A dog is as smart or as good as it will ever be the day it is born. You cannot make a dog any smarter or any better. You can only bring them to the best of their abilities. Some dogs are smarter then others, some are dummer. I would take a smart one over a dumb one any day.

[ThePostMan]

To me intelligence is a very important trait in a dog, i have had some pitbulls that werent intelligent at all.So that brings me to my question

Which bloodlines throw very intelligent dogs?with a high willingness to obey.

What type of "intelligence" are you talking about? House dog intelligence or what??? I like my dogs to be dogs..."bulldogs" to be exact, as that's what they're supposed to be. I do have Gambler's Virgil bred dog that is as smart or smarter then some people I know, but he's a bulldog in every aspect. I guess just like any other game breed dog i.e. an Irish Setter...they're breed to hunt birds, not to be "intelligent" in whatever aspect you meant in that regard....so when it comes to a breed as such or in question "the apbt" was bred for other traits, so the "intelligence" or how they do what they're breed to do and the "intelligence that you may be referring to" is two completely different things.

One thing you will notice in any breed or species, when they are bred really tight you most likely will lose some common sense in comparison to one or that is not.

[jr102770]

What type of "intelligence" are you talking about? House dog intelligence or what??? I like my dogs to be dogs..."bulldogs" to be exact, as that's what they're supposed to be. I do have Gambler's Virgil bred dog that is as smart or smarter then some people I know, but he's a bulldog in every aspect. I guess just like any other game breed dog i.e. an Irish Setter...they're breed to hunt birds, not to be "intelligent" in whatever aspect you meant in that regard....so when it comes to a breed as such or in question "the apbt" was bred for other traits, so the "intelligence" or how they do what they're breed to do and the "intelligence that you may be referring to" is two completely different things.

One thing you will notice in any breed or species, when they are bred really tight you most likely will lose some common sense in comparison to one or that is not.

@ postman: I didnt make myself clear enough.

I meant that dogs that are smart enough to know what they are being asked of and do it without hesitation, Im not straying far from the APBT and how it is in regard to you asking "what kind of intellingence that the APBT wasnt bred for", Just a dog smarter than the average bulldog in aspect of doing what they are told on the spot, I wouldnt want a bulldog that lost all its other traits and gained only intelligence if thats what your saying. One very good example of dog im talking of is a story from Richard F. strattons "this is the american pitbull terrier" . It talks about a very intelligent OFRN named Curly.

Story http://www.richardfstratton.com/curlyandthesnake.htm (http://www.richardfstratton.com/curlyandthesnake.htm)

It does seem like high intelligence is within the dog itself, and not a specific bloodline, though it seems there are bloodines that are known to throw dogs slightly smarter then others.
OFRN compared to reboy/jeep. Though older OFRN strains are known for being more intelligent and redboy being "dumb game", there are exceptions and a OFRN may come out dumb and a redboy dog come out smart.


@rocky:
"It is best to get to know the dogs before choosing from a litter. "

Thank you for emphasizing that, as I realized that seems to be more important than focusing on a specific bloodline when looking for a smart dog.

[AncientKulcha]

I can attest to the intelligence of the Colby blood I have. . . My females are both very very very smart.

But, I also have a male he is redboy/panther and he is very smart. He taught himself all his commands just by watching my females. He can sit, stay, come, high five, jump directly in the air on command, roll over, leave it or fetch things and he recycles cans all from just watching dogs and people.

I think that intelligence has more to do with individual dogs than the line persay. but if you breed together two intelligent dogs you can bet on getting a majority of intelligent puppies from it. . . i can say that was true when our male and our most intelligent female had pups.

they were all very smart and potty trained in days.

Damn he got all that from watching!!!:eek: Better not let him watch any porn......LOL

[StopBSL]

Damn he got all that from watching!!!:eek: Better not let him watch any porn......LOL

lol. Yeah. He is a SMART dog. Believe me. If I leave an empty soda can and a full one on the coffee table he will pick up the empty one and bring it to me to throw away. I dont know how he determines which one is empty.

And as far as listening to commands goes he was 4months when i got him and we were in the process of moving so i did not work with him at all. then one day i noticed that when i asked our other dog to do a command he did it too. And he is even more eager to respond than she is to what i say.

Some dogs are just really smart. I like it though especially compared to one dog I have who is d-u-m-b DUMB. It's like I tell her 5 times before she listens to me. . frustrating.

[TripleJ]

A dog is as smart or as good as it will ever be the day it is born. You cannot make a dog any smarter or any better. You can only bring them to the best of their abilities. Some dogs are smarter then others, some are dummer. I would take a smart one over a dumb one any day.
If that was the case you could not teach them anything and Schooling would not be needed. Thats like saying a kid is as smart as they will be when they are born. Thats the dumdest thing I think I have ever read.(oh yea I was not born reading) J

[rooster]

If that was the case you could not teach them anything and Schooling would not be needed. Thats like saying a kid is as smart as they will be when they are born. Thats the dumdest thing I think I have ever read.(oh yea I was not born reading) J

lol !:)

I think he meant that all dogs have different genetic potential intelligence ranges when they are born (or something like that)

Also what do we mean by intelligence ? Quick to learn circus tricks or what ?

However at the risk of being flamed, surely dogs like collies, poodles and the like are more intelligent than stubborn single minded pit dogs ?

However I guess we have to determine as to what the op means by intelligence first.:D

[irishpit]

If that was the case you could not teach them anything and Schooling would not be needed. Thats like saying a kid is as smart as they will be when they are born. Thats the dumdest thing I think I have ever read.(oh yea I was not born reading) J


i think they mean they have predetermined intelligence..potential...n it goes for kids too,take two kids brought up with the exact same environment and education and one will excel more than the other if both brought to their own potential.......not talkin about bein born able to sit,stay or obey commands just how much potential for learning they have

[jr102770]

However I guess we have to determine as to what the op means by intelligence first.:D


I meant that dogs that are smart enough to know what they are being asked of and do it without hesitation, Im not straying far from the APBT and how it is in regard to you asking "what kind of intellingence that the APBT wasnt bred for", Just a dog smarter than the average bulldog in aspect of doing what they are told on the spot, I wouldnt want a bulldog that lost all its other traits and gained only intelligence if thats what your saying. One very good example of dog im talking of is a story from Richard F. strattons "this is the american pitbull terrier" . It talks about a very intelligent OFRN named Curly.

Story http://www.richardfstratton.com/curlyandthesnake.htm (http://www.richardfstratton.com/curlyandthesnake.htm)

It does seem like high intelligence is within the dog itself, and not a specific bloodline, though it seems there are bloodines that are known to throw dogs slightly smarter then others.
OFRN compared to reboy/jeep. Though older OFRN strains are known for being more intelligent and redboy being "dumb game", there are exceptions and a OFRN may come out dumb and a redboy dog come out smart.