Dogs from Tatonka kennel (sorrell blood)

[izack87]

Does anyone know how their dogs are, the bloodlines are pure sorrell but have anyone got a puppy from them and know how they are?

[Bullyson]

Does anyone know how their dogs are, the bloodlines are pure sorrell but have anyone got a puppy from them and know how they are?

Ask Tommy3 or GAPITS.

[CynthiaATL]

GAPITS in an excellent source for information regarding Tatonka/Sorrells dogs. We have 5 from her that are Tatonka/Sorrells. And we are very pleased with them.

[BullDog143]

There show dogs with pretty peds. And didnt one of the Tatonka kennel member snitch on Pat Patrick? I would say stay away.

[izack87]

Okay, a member here at the forum or? GAPITS i mean..

Snitch at pat patrick? what do you mean?

[CynthiaATL]

There show dogs with pretty peds. And didnt one of the Tatonka kennel member snitch on Pat Patrick? I would say stay away.

Yep they are all show dogs with pretty peds. And I am sticking to that story. :rolleyes:

LOL they are accusing Joanie on snitching because she is friends with Dianne J. And of course Patrick is pissed that D.J. got his dogs. But in reality yes D.J. is a bitch. I do not know if DJ snitched or not. But believe me it is deeper than DJ. That is a fact!

[BullDog143]

Yep they are all show dogs with pretty peds. And I am sticking to that story. :rolleyes:

LOL they are accusing Joanie on snitching because she is friends with Dianne J. And of course Patrick is pissed that D.J. got his dogs. But in reality yes D.J. is a bitch. I do not know if DJ snitched or not. But believe me it is deeper than DJ. That is a fact!They are pretty show dogs that have pretty peds. Show me a winning dog off tatonka's yard right now. And how hard headed do you have to be to think that Tatonka kennels didnt snitch on Pat Patrick and what are they doing hanging out with Dianne Jessup with the kennel they have? It just looks to me they are covering there ass and not letting the heat come come on them and copping out on somebody else so they dont get there dogs taken. Ill stick to my story you stick to yours.

[MinorThreat]

why would anyone be friends with someone thats out to raid every dogman possible, when they themeselves have a yard full of similar dogs?

hmmmmm

[cutt]

LOL "they" are accusing???

do you know who "they" are, "they" are the people who had their dogs taken from them, they that are the accusing are the Patricks. You think the Patricks would just throw her name out they without validity? Do you have any idea how long they were friends for? A long time, decades and names of friends arent thrown out there without solid backing

in this circumstance ...your right.....


in different but similar scenario , youll be surprised by how quick a person will throw out names for reward regaurdless of friendship..all bs aside...

Cutt-

[izack87]

I´m kinda not following here, did the people at tatonka kennel rat him out to the cops? not to familliar with everything that happens in the us.

so you think i should look around for another kennel?

[TripleJ]

If you want sorrell blood go to the man him self there is all kinds of it around off working dogs the best stuff off that,that I have seen came from a man with few dogs but they were good dogs.

[pennsooner]

Some of the people on this board are beyond retarded. Neither DJ or Joanie "ratted out" Patrick. How could DJ rat out Patrick? She was never in his bussiness or on his yard so she didn't have the info to rat him out with.

What got Patrick busted was likely retards like you running their mouths about how game is dogs were on the Internet.

Since dogfight is illegal then yelling on public forums about how game someones dogs are is a great way to get them busted.

Its obvious some of you never took a logic class. To rat someone out you have to be in their bussiness.

[izack87]

If you want sorrell blood go to the man him self there is all kinds of it around off working dogs the best stuff off that,that I have seen came from a man with few dogs but they were good dogs.


yeah i´ve sent an email to the sorrell kennel but newer got any answer, not that easy to find someone who is willing to keep a dog at the yard for 8 monthes untill it can be brougt into sweden, has to have all kinds of test and rabies shots etc

[JRSPITS]

I'm happy with mine. Joanie is a great person to work with. If you can prove to her you're not an idiot and can handle these dogs she may be willing to work with you. Good luck.

[bullydogs]

LMFAO, this crap reminds me of middle school. Yeah, the reason P.P got busted was because of DJ:cool:.....give me a break. Where do people come up with this shit. I will say it again, people have to watch what they say regarding these dogs. There are people logging into these boards and forums daily looking to gather information. Nobody listens though, until they bust down your front door. Loose lips sink ships.

[izack87]

Absolutely. If you WANT a sorrells, go to Mr. Sorrells directly. If you are looking for the blood, ask GAPITS if she has any available. She has nice dogs and shows active participation in the positive image of the breed.[/quote]

Yeah i´ll try to get ahold of him, but it´s not particularly the sorrell blood i´m looking for, just a well breed dog do work with, there is alot of bloodlines i´m not so familliar with but from what i heard sorrell dogs at least thos from mr sorrell himself are good dogs, anybody that has any other tips about good blood to look for or so?

here in sweden the purebreed dogs are few and the bloodlines are verry mixed up in most dogs so it´s not much to go on.

[CynthiaATL]

They are pretty show dogs that have pretty peds. Show me a winning dog off tatonka's yard right now. And how hard headed do you have to be to think that Tatonka kennels didnt snitch on Pat Patrick and what are they doing hanging out with Dianne Jessup with the kennel they have? It just looks to me they are covering there ass and not letting the heat come come on them and copping out on somebody else so they dont get there dogs taken. Ill stick to my story you stick to yours.

LOL Carolina Boy right? How did that pooch patch dog work out for you? Didn't you want a Tatonka(Sorrells)/Carver cross at one time? LOL

Again it goes WAY deeper than this. Keep pointing the finger. Patrick is just pissed that DJ has his dogs. I see why Pat is pissed that she has his shit?

And again only a dumbass would come on a PUBLIC board and talk about a winning dog. But I guess some will never learn. :rolleyes:

Yea Bert has good dogs however make sure if you get a dog make sure it is bred the way it says it is.

And Rocky yes I am aware that the issue is that they are friends.

[MinorThreat]

who said anyone was accused of being a rat? Their wasnt anything to rat on, Joanie interviewing and bragging about being friends with Diane Jessup in her $500 ADBA Gazett ads tells EVERYTHING. If you think Diane Jessup is friends with the fraternity, you dont know a fkn thing about the dog world.

[Marty]

And didn't one of the Tatonka kennel member snitch on Pat Patrick? Where is your solid proof? If not this is what they call dry snitching and it can be a law suit for slander... again where is the solid proof?

I don't have any info on it so I don't know :rolleyes:

[BullDog143]

Where is your solid proof? If not this is what they call dry snitching and it can be a law suit for slander... again where is the solid proof?

I don't have any info on it so I don't know :rolleyes:
Well we all know Dianne Jesup marty. Why would a kennel like them be associated with a person like her? And then she is apart of the raid on PP. It all goes hand in hand you dont have to be to smart to figure that one out. Its almost like all bulldogers and PETA being best freinds it just doesnt sound right does it?

[Marty]

I want proof not hear say!

[Mkabayi]

Marty!

Have you ever had of something called circumstancial evidence?

[pennsooner]

Carolinaboy? Like in Misterdogman's Carolinaboy? lmfao:eek:
I certainly think asking someone to "show" a winning dog can be perceived incorrectly to the masses. I personally thought of conformation or weight pull wins.

I PERSONALLY DO NOT SEE WHERE MELANIE OR PAT ARE SAYING "TATONKA KENNELS" SNITCHED ON THEM.

What they do point out is the friendly relation between JoAnn and Dianne Jessup. This information is not TOP SECRET. So I figured, if they are not childhood friends, what do they have in common?








First off, the wink, wink "winning dog, I meant show or weight pull" method of talking about dogfighting on this board is gone and will not be allowed, at least if I catch it. Second, what Joanie and Diane have in common is that Diane has (as far as I know) the worlds only gamebred Sch.III dog who happens to be a pure Sorrells dog and when Diane started a breeding program she contacted Joanie to help her which Joanie did.

In being ready to show outrage over Dianes flirtation with the HSUS (which I fully understand) people forget why someone like Joanie would help her. She (Diane) is about the only person doing very high level obedience with gameline pitbulls and she even has them working in law enforcement. She is putting a legal face on the breed and I suspect that Joanie thought that was a good thing. All the help Joanie gave her was before Diane became friendly with the HSUS as far as I know.

That information is not top secret either and rather than look at themselves people point the finger at Diane, Joanie.

I use the phrase look at themselves because the people screaming the loudest are the very ones getting people busted by being unable to keep themselves from discussing criminal activities in an open, public forum. And that pisses me off to no end since it makes the site and the breed look like it is in the hands of unrepentant criminals.

[Claddagh_Reds]

have in common is that Diane has (as far as I know) the worlds only gamebred Sch.III dog .


No, that statement would be incorrect. Diane does not own or has not owned the "only" gamebred Sch III dog. (or sch I, II for that matter) Here is one.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=7484

[pennsooner]

No, that statement would be incorrect. Diane does not own or has not owned the "only" gamebred Sch III dog. (or sch I, II for that matter) Here is one.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=7484



Congrats to that dog, thats why I added the "as far as I know" to it. Sch I and II are more common titles and I'm pretty sure there are some dogs down from Gamblers Virgil that have those titles. Thanks for the clarification.

[izack87]

Can somebody tell me what the HSUS stand for, haven´t heard of it?

[MinorThreat]

"All the help Joanie gave her was before Diane became friendly with the HSUS as far as I know." (Pennsooner)

then you dont know much, she has talked about her in many ADBA Gazettes, interviewing her and always saying what an asset to the breed she is. Joanie brags about her relationship with Diane is her full page puppy sale ads in the magazine as well, many times.

you feel its your duty to down play what it really is because you have dogs directly from the enemy (Diane Jessup), thats what you've said anyway

Cynthia feels the same, she has "Sorrells" dogs either from Joanie or Totanka "Sorrells" dogs from someone else, so she feels the need to back someone thats behind the breedings of her dogs

*Ask yourself why the Patricks who were friends with Joanie for decades all the sudden hate her after their dogs were taken from them? The Patricks already made their stance on their own semi private board about both Joanie and Diane Jessup but I'm not going to repeat what they said, Emily can post here if she choses as I know she's reading this thread

and off to soccer practice you go

[MinorThreat]

"Have a look at this. Cover of SDJ (http://www.registerofmerit.com/forums/glossary.php?do=viewglossary&term=304), Sorrells CH (http://www.registerofmerit.com/forums/glossary.php?do=viewglossary&term=56) Raisin, looking very much worse for wear. Hes all over Diane Jessup's pedigrees and Joanie's peds too. The gruesome twosome, while the HSUS dubs them dog heros fighting the great battle to massacre Pit (http://www.registerofmerit.com/forums/glossary.php?do=viewglossary&term=210) bulls that belong to innocent people. The lies and hypocrisy are just plain amazin'.These two ladies have more Chs in their peds than anybody. If that means they are breeding for fights, then why are they still out there? Jessup has a big section of her site devoted to how use spring poles, treadmills, all of it. I thought that meant you were a dogfighter? No, not if you are among the anointed.If you belong to the HS you can have Pit (http://www.registerofmerit.com/forums/glossary.php?do=viewglossary&term=210) bulls. We know who does. And we know WHERE they are. IF you are going to have people to decide who is a dog fighter, how about not using your own that are immune from harm? HMM?" (Emily/Boliodogs)

[pennsooner]

Rocky: I'll just address one thing. On this site phrases like "hard mouth" "game" and so on and so forth will be gone if I have anything to do with it.

Marty has done everything except beg people to quit running their mouths about dogfighting and various staff members have posted on this repeatedly.


Most people who do this are just, IMO flat out stupid but I do respect your eloquence and ability to use language and don't doubt you are an intelligent person. I don't understand why YOU (because you are clever enough to know better) would fail to get with the program. You might disagree but it isn't your site.

I fully understand, it isn't MY site either and I don't make the rules, I just try to help enforce them.

But on a personal note I don't appreciate being associated with dogfighters by some of the things people post on this site from time to time. As I've said a number of times I've never even been present at a roll nor will I ever be. If it were 80 years ago I might feel different.

For the people out there risking their necks to preserve the breed, more power to them, they should stay the hell off of the internet and keep their heads down.

[CynthiaATL]

"All the help Joanie gave her was before Diane became friendly with the HSUS as far as I know." (Pennsooner)

then you dont know much, she has talked about her in many ADBA Gazettes, interviewing her and always saying what an asset to the breed she is. Joanie brags about her relationship with Diane is her full page puppy sale ads in the magazine as well, many times.

you feel its your duty to down play what it really is because you have dogs directly from the enemy (Diane Jessup), thats what you've said anyway

Cynthia feels the same, she has "Sorrells" dogs either from Joanie or Totanka "Sorrells" dogs from someone else, so she feels the need to back someone thats behind the breedings of her dogs

*Ask yourself why the Patricks who were friends with Joanie for decades all the sudden hate her after their dogs were taken from them? The Patricks already made their stance on their own semi private board about both Joanie and Diane Jessup but I'm not going to repeat what they said, Emily can post here if she choses as I know she's reading this thread

and off to soccer practice you go

Minor I am not kennel blind. And I suggest you do not have tunnel vision. and not believe things that are spoon fed to you. There is more going on than Dianne Jessup. And people will and have talked to save their own asses. Also as I have said the Patricks are pissed (which is understandable). And now they are grasping straws and pointing fingers. I have yet to see any evidence that DJ snitched just accusations.

And if someone could provide proof (not speculation) that Joanie talked I would be the first to admit it. But due to other things that I know. I am confident about my stance as well. And wether she talked or not that does not take away from what our dogs are.

And Joanie may be guilty by association. Also Joanie may brag because now she is in the business of selling dogs and Dianne Jessup is accepted by the "general" public as a asset to the breed. Which in turn will help sell dogs. It is a business to her. I am quite aware of her past as well as Dianne Jessup. But some people are smart not to run their mouth and bring heat down on them and their dogs.

I do hope that the Patricks win. And get back everything they deserve. However raging a public smear campaign reminds me of when people get in trouble and then turn and say well so and so did this.

Again it is bigger than Dianne. Also do not be fooled all those cleaver terms that people use the people monitoring this board are not dumb. Remember that. IP can be traced.

Keep your circle tight. And loose lips do what? I do not want people to know who I am and what I do with my dogs. I have pretty show dogs with pretty papers! :eek:

[izack87]

isn´t this topic spinnin of the purpose i posted it? and i still don´t have any clue on what you guys (and girls) are talking about, i know now what happend to pat patricks, not why but still, but i have no clue on what HSCS stands for?

[Marty]

Humane society of the United States

[mntman2003]

I hope he gets his $$$ that is well deserved for his dogs but Joanie didn't rat him out. Remeber DJ got her first dog from Bert and Joanie I bet it was as simple as Bert never returned her calls over the yrs then she called Joanie who did and they became freinds. Bert always calls people back and answers his phone not. Pat got busted when shit went down hill with the dogs and that is what happens when you sell 200 dogs a yr you take a chance. Won't be shocked if every one gets nailed who sells 16 litters a yr. I saw a big time kennel a couple of months ago with 16 litters for sale on the net bragging about their dogs abilities mouth wind etc.....stupid.

[woody d]

this is one ugly thread here...i ve went through it and all i can add is that it reminds me alot of what went on in the gun industry years ago. everyone turned on a certain manufacturer because they were supposedly in with the clinton administration. everyone turned on this particular company and noone bought their products...that is a major mistake. if we get into this he said-she said crap nothing positive can happen, and all that is accomplised is lines get drawn in the sand between the dog folk

[mntman2003]

agreed 100% this is no longer a place where people get together and be freindly nearly evry other thread is negative weather towards the media or people that may be the topic of discussion.

[woody d]

that is why i spend very little time here now. :( this forum has changed alot. where has all the good old dog talking went? i used to be able to spend hours here

[~apbtfriend~]

I know this is an older thread, I read the whole thing , And just would like to add opinion. There are some title SCH dogs that are gamebred in CA, I been talking to some breeders over here.

second , I was reading about the problem of people posting certain terms to discribe their dogs etc....

HONESTLY from a person who loves apbt and just now getting (back) into game bred dogs , when I see the word "win" I am not thinking of show wins ... Just being on this site , it seems that most do not show their dogs or will say stuff like " these are just show dogs with pretty peds" ( hence this thread)..... So imagine some one else reading stuff on here that does not like this breed or the people who want to witch hunt kennels.....

I have talked to a few people on here threw emails and pm's and I am glad I came back to this site to learn more. I was turned off by this site years ago because of what people say on here. I read too much negative comments about dogs for shows of for working titles , IMO if you live in USA what else are you going to do with these dogs ? Again what is your buisness is your business, but its not wise to post such negative comments to sports such as dog showing , you may not like it but don't down play people who want to just show their dogs.

[JanneM]

If we don't focus on a scandal in behind acording Diane and Pat does anyone know how Tatonka dogs are? Are they true bulldogs with all the right qualitys that you all think a grat specimen of american pitbull terrier should have?

[Dreamer]

For the people out there risking their necks to preserve the breed, more power to them, they should stay the hell off of the internet and keep their heads down.

LOL! Absolutely!

I would think those that do it would have more respect for their dogs and for the activities that they deem so honorable and necessary. The revered dogmen of the past would be appalled! It never was and was never meant to be an activity which was so public and accessible.

Dreamer

[JanneM]

So no one..? No one really has an oppinion about Tatonka dogs?
And by oppinion I mean oppinion that has nothing to do with weather Joanne knows DIanne Jessup and did DJ do what not...

Any one? Some one? Please tell me and other ignorants who are merely intrested about dogs if these dogs are fine example of american pitbull terrier or lousy mutts.

[JRSPITS]

So no one..? No one really has an oppinion about Tatonka dogs?

Any one? Some one? Please tell me and other ignorants who are merely intrested about dogs if these dogs are fine example of american pitbull terrier or lousy mutts.

Here's mine. I think he is a fine example of an APBT and so do several judges. I'm not sure if thats the answer you're looking for though. You won't find anyone admitting to breaking the law on this site and I don't fight my dogs - just conformation and weight pull.http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/6/7/7/picture_698.jpg

[ben brockton]

buy one and find out for yourself :mad: "true bulldogs with all the right qualitys" I have a nice ocean front property in ohio I can sell you at a good price let me know:cool:

[simms]

buy one and find out for yourself :mad: "true bulldogs with all the right qualitys" I have a nice ocean front property in ohio I can sell you at a good price let me know:cool:

They might look alright to some one that doesn't know any better or just preffers that "type" of dog.

As far as the line IMO and Some Experience...LOL. It's much easier to breed a show dog than a performance bred dog. So it's simple enough to consider the source from where you seek it.

[Luk8272]

Is it me or is Berts site down?

[JanneM]

I was asking about the dogs because I want to know more about the dogs and this thred was heading towards argument about these persons involved with these dogs.

ben brockton: I'm not looking for a dog at the moment nor am I in the market for a property. Thanks for the offer thoug. ;)
JRSPITS: I was not ment to ask about anything else except your oppinions about these dogs and what makes them good or bad... I'm sorry if my lack of english made you think I had some hidden intentions. (I'm not native neglish speaker)

Bulldog with all the right quality was ment to be a question. What are the qualitys that you look in a dog and does these dogs have these qualitys in your oppinion.
Thanks for everyones anvers. :D