Al White busted!

[STPFAN]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7008414&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[Marty]

FANNIN COUNTY, Ga. (MyFOX Atlanta) – Authorities in Fannin County and animal welfare groups said they busted a major player in the dogfighting world. Al White was behind bars Thursday and his dogs were surrendered to authorities.


Video: Fannin Co. Authorities Say Major Dogfighting Ring Busted
FOX 5's Tony Thomas Reports
Animal control trucks carried away some of the 22 dogs. A forensic team form the SPCA spent Thursday afternoon collecting evidence and treating the 21 pit bulls, and one mixed breed dog they say were chained around the property.

"The dogs are thin, they're being medically evaluated. Friendly to people, not friendly to each other," said Laura Bevin of the Humane Society of the U.S.

The Humane Society, SPCA and local district attorney searched the property after a six month investigation that focused on the 58-year-old White.

"This guy has been around a long time, some of the dogs are well known in the dog fighting world," said Bevin.

White's son denied the charges. "There's nothing going on down there. Guy sells dogs, trying to make a living," said White's son, Anthony.

Investigators said White released all the dogs to animal control. They will be kept there until welfare authorities determine their health.

Authorities said they hoped White's arrest puts a big dent in dogfighting across the southeast.

"He is not a small arrest, he is a major player in this arena," said Bevin.

Authorities said the investigation began with a tip to a hotline that was set up after former Atlanta Falcon Michael Vick was arrested and convicted of dogfighting. The tipster could receive as much as $10,000 in reward money.

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[SMOKIN HEMI]

Thats a damn shame. Snitch line???

[TripleJ]

Thats a damn sham. The witch hunts on. Its crazy what is this Police states now they can just come on you land take your stuff and lock you up with no proof. I hope he get off and sues the shit out of them. J

[Stillwater]

http://www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8696448


A North Georgia man faces felony charges after a major dogfighting ring bust on his property.
It happened in Blue Ridge, Georgia, in Fannin County.
Albert Glenn White faces 22 counts of felony dogfighting.
Authorities found three dogfighting pits on his property. They also seized 22 dogs, many of which had scars consistent with dogfighting.
Authorities also tell us they also found suspected dogfighting paraphernalia.
In Georgia, it's a felony to own, possess, train, transport or sell a dog for the purpose of dogfighting.

[RightHandImp]

My thoughts exactly Triple. Where is the evidence other than allegations off a "tip line" ??

[teddyk]

I don't get why its a shame? :confused: Dog fighting sucks and its illegal... Lock him up.

[Tcarter]

wow is all i can say even though I've really never heard of the guy

[TripleJ]

I don't get why its a shame? :confused: Dog fighting sucks and its illegal... Lock him up.You know thats not the point. DO YOU HAVE DOGS? If so I guess I could call the snitch line and say you are a dog fighter and have your ass locked up and your dogs taken. How would that feel? You dont know him and to say that is wrong of you. ITS NOT WRONG TO BREED DOS . J

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Everyone: Give thanks to the rat/snitch C Ozzie....f@cking guy has been pointing fingers at innocent people to make a buck. I wonder if he is still driving a taxi......It is common to have sh!t to taxi drivers in NYC.:cool:

I don't get why its a shame? :confused: Dog fighting sucks and its illegal... Lock him up.

Oh so you KNOW FOR FACT he is guilty? Is it because you read it and so it must be true? News flash, if you had a yard of game bred dogs, someone can easily call the police and get you arrested.....you are very dumb if you think that could not happen in "America". The guy was a breeder of this breed and was taken down for that reason. FYI, these people are trying to destroy the breed by destroying the breeders. They are attacking the root. All this time lurking and still as dumb as a door knob.

[rallyracer]

I don't get why its a shame? :confused: Dog fighting sucks and its illegal... Lock him up.


innocent until PROVEN guilty, remember that basic right? it seems to not apply in cases like this, lowry, patrick, fb, etc, etc, etc.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

I don't get why its a shame? :confused: Dog fighting sucks and its illegal... Lock him up.


Thats the dumbest crap I have heard all week!

[Tcarter]

i do see why so many people are stacking crates in the basement:( Hell they are protecting the dogs

[teddyk]

You know thats not the point. DO YOU HAVE DOGS? If so I guess I could call the snitch line and say you are a dog fighter and have your ass locked up and your dogs taken. How would that feel? You dont know him and to say that is wrong of you. ITS NOT WRONG TO BREED DOS . J

Go ahead, call the cops on me... When they come, they will look at me. They will look at my dogs and then they will go back to you and slap you across your head?

Wake up. You cant get people arrested just by calling the police.. There is something called evidence... Typically pigs have to build a case. It even says in the article that there was a 6 month investigation.

Have any of you graduated highschool?

[SMOKIN HEMI]

If you are a PETA member you are on the wrong board. Humaniac

[teddyk]

Well to be honest you don't have to fight your Game-bred apbt but if you want a apbt that isn't game bred you need to be honest with yourself what you want is a STAFF/AM STAFF/BULLY

haha..... Yep. My Amstaff is a big pussy...

[teddyk]

Thats the dumbest crap I have heard all week!

Im glad i could do that for you.

[RightHandImp]

Go ahead, call the cops on me... When they come, they will look at me. They will look at my dogs and then they will go back to you and slap you across your head?

Wake up. You cant get people arrested just by calling the police.. There is something called evidence... Typically pigs have to build a case. It even says in the article that there was a 6 month investigation.

Have any of you graduated highschool?


This type of "bust" IS proof that people do and will, and have been arrested for an ignorant jerk calling the police. Innocent people are spending a lot of time in jail because of allegations (aka word of mouth alleged goings on with NO PROOF). Read up on it, it's all over the site. Freedom is just a pipe dream now.
and yeah, you can bet your ass that many of us have graduated high school and attend higher education.

[TripleJ]

Go ahead, call the cops on me... When they come, they will look at me. They will look at my dogs and then they will go back to you and slap you across your head?

Wake up. You cant get people arrested just by calling the police.. There is something called evidence... Typically pigs have to build a case. It even says in the article that there was a 6 month investigation.

Have any of you graduated highschool?
All Ihave to do Show your vid of the spring pole THAT could be used (think about it) And could say he is a monster he has dogs in water with shockers on the neck of that mean old pit bull, By the way some of us still like GAME BRED dogs and prefer to buy them from honest breeders. Not every one wants a dog from the pound or a staff. Oh yea befor you say they are water proof look what hapened to the firestone Co things fail. Why do you want a dog that looks like a pit bull anyway so you can look cool for you? Get real man the guys that keep this breed true are the backbone of the dogs and I dont care 6 months or 6 years they dont need much any more to lock you up and its due to minds like yours. But look how cool you think you staff looks on that training dog fighing tool GET MY POINT? NOT YIS J

[bahamutt99]

Argue the post and not the poster, guys. We can't tell you to take it to PMs right now, but we can ask you to knock it off in public. Thanks.

[GSDbulldog]

:rolleyes:
None of us know for sure, and unfortunately most of us never will. But I think that is besides the point. Now, I'm not real keen on saying our freedoms are being eroded one-by-one... But, there is a definite "witch hunt" going on out there, no doubt about it...

Teddy, you talk of evidence and building a case. Unfortunately, groups such as the H$U$ and PETA are more-often-than-not involved in cases like this, and we all know who's side they are on. Innocent people have been convicted for the procession of a break stick, a treadmill, or some similar piece of "paraphernalia". Men and women have been charged, their dogs destroyed, only to later be found innocent. I'm sorry, but I DO think that's a damn shame...

[teddyk]

All Ihave to do Show your vid of the spring pole THAT could be used (think about it) And could say he is a monster he has dogs in water with shockers on the neck of that mean old pit bull, By the way some of us still like GAME BRED dogs and prefer to buy them from honest breeders. Not every one wants a dog from the pound or a staff. Oh yea befor you say they are water proof look what hapened to the firestone Co things fail. Why do you want a dog that looks like a pit bull anyway so you can look cool for you? Get real man the guys that keep this breed true are the backbone of the dogs and I dont care 6 months or 6 years they dont need much any more to lock you up and its due to minds like yours. But look how cool you think you staff looks on that training dog fighing tool GET MY POINT? NOT YIS J

My dog is a bad ass... However, i have not allowed her to be dog aggressive. I can take her to a dog park and let her loose without a single fear. She can play with a toy poodle, or wrestle with a rottweiler.

Sure, my spring pole could be considered a dog fighting training tool. That would certainly be considered supporting evidence if i had a fighting dog. However, right now... Its simply a toy for my dog to play on. ANd the shock collar... Its not illegal. And its not illegal for my dog to play in water with it on. So that is a pointless argument.

While i completely disagree..I get your point.. But it seems your not getting mine.

If you want a APBT that is dog aggressive, you are a problem.

[ABK]

The sad, bad fact of the matter is, if folks are out to get you, they will. There is now bounties placed on the heads of APBT owners as much as $5000 to $10,000. So any low life crack head can turn you in for the $$$ whether you are doing anything or not.

Furthermore, an "investigation" can be something as little as them watching your place. It doesn't mean it was someone went undercover & got to know you personally to prove you were fighting dogs. They might just watch your place for a bit & see you running a dog on a mill or see you letting your dog play with a flirt pole & bam, you're busted. :(

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Id watch your fat fingers before using em to call me a dumb dumb.

First, i did not say dumb dumb...that would be too nice...I did say dumb as a knob. Your rebuttal exemplifies naïve-ness to put it nicely.

Go get yourself some K-Y because this is going to hurt.

I don't know if he is guilty or not. And it isnt my job to find out. Was he fighting dogs? Was he selling dogs for fighting? If he was, then he has to settle up. If he wasnt, then suuuure..... Its a damn shame, hope they leave him alone and he gets his dogs back.

You do not know if he is guilty or not and it is not your job to find out BUT IT IS to state "lock him up"?

How can anyone expect to be 100% sure the pups are not going to be fought? Does the government expect car manufacturers to make 100% their cars are not going to be used for criminal activity? How about gun manufacturers? Yet, you and the rest of the humaniac world feel pressed to demand APBT owners do just that. I can go on and on with other examples of double standards but hopefully you get the point.

You continue by making the most uninformed statement this side of the century....him getting his dogs back. He will NEVER see those dogs again. If he is lucky and the new trend continues, some of those dogs will be placed...more than likely, 75% of them will be destroyed. This is regardless of him being found innocent. In addition, even if they find him innocent, he will be forced to pay the shelter for housing his dogs. This can run in the tens of thousand dollars....all because some hero felt his pocket empty and opportunity to fill it up in the poor economy we are all living.

And to clarify:
I wouldn't have a yard of game-bred dogs... Historically, the game these dogs were meant for is dog fighting. This game is no longer legal.. So even if he isnt fighting em, what are they doing with em... Catch dogs? Weight Pulling? Selling game-bred pups to idiots who then grow up and chew off a kids face.... Riiiight. That right there is SMRT.

You would not? I certainly would love to have one. In fact, the OWNER of this site has one. What are you trying to imply about Marty? The guy is a lover of game bred dogs just like the majority of us here. We are the Schindlers of this breed....

You ask, "what are tehy doing with em"? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. You live your life however you wish and respect other peoples ways.....live and let live. Who made you the master of everyone else's life? I can tell you so many things wrong about your e-collars and chock collars to make your head spin....in fact, i know many humaniacs would call you a dog abuser and wish you dead for hurting those poor little pooches. They would like to put you in jail...removing you from your family...destroying it in the process. Why? Because some people feel those things on a dog are animal abuse.

Lastly, the dogs "chewing" kids faces are not (for most part) game bred dogs. They are a compilation of breeds and mix of breeds with a phenotypical "pit bull" look. SMRT? lol....did you read that in a book?


Maybe some of the breeders should be destroyed.. Ever think of that? By breeding these dogs and letting em spend their whole life hanging off a chain spitting out puppies, you aint doing shit for the breed.... And you definitly aren't making it easier for me to keep my dogs.

Breeders should be destroyed? Yikes. You are putting animals above people...your fellow human beings? Destroy families, leave kids fatherless for the sake of your opinion on how dogs should be treated?

You obviously know nothing about this breed despite your time "lurking". Real breeders plan their mating well in advance. They choose dogs that will potentially improve the breed. Anyway, i will not go into further detail because the breeding aspect may be well above your head.

High school? lol You should not talk about education with the many gramatical and spelling errors you have made thus far.

[Crystal621]

And to clarify:
I wouldn't have a yard of game-bred dogs... Historically, the game these dogs were meant for is dog fighting. This game is no longer legal.. So even if he isnt fighting em, what are they doing with em... Catch dogs? Weight Pulling? Selling game-bred pups to idiots who then grow up and chew off a kids face.... Riiiight. That right there is SMRT.


Yes, dog fighting is illegal. We all know that.
Like already said, innocent until proven guilty.
Who cares if he used his dogs for catch dogs, weight pull, or sold them. That's his prerogative.
And I doubt he would just sell his dog to some random "idiot" and I doubt even more that the dog would "grow up and chew off a kids face" I'd trust a game-bred dog before I did your average everyday pit bull/staff/bully etc. Plus, most owners that have game-bred dogs take better care to contain their dogs, rather let them run loose outside in the public.

You want to know what can be used for evidence?
Scars
Training equipment (springpole, flirtpole)
Breeding stands
Medical supplies (IVs, meds, syringes, needles, fluids, etc. Oh! I Must be fighting)
Multiple pit bulls
Caged/Chained pit bulls
Oh, they even put ribbons on there, they are a "cover" for winnings at a fight
And I am sure the list goes on...

[TripleJ]

My dog is a bad ass... However, i have not allowed her to be dog aggressive. I can take her to a dog park and let her loose without a single fear. She can play with a toy poodle, or wrestle with a rottweiler.

Sure, my spring pole could be considered a dog fighting training tool. That would certainly be considered supporting evidence if i had a fighting dog. However, right now... Its simply a toy for my dog to play on. ANd the shock collar... Its not illegal. And its not illegal for my dog to play in water with it on. So that is a pointless argument.

While i completely disagree..I get your point.. But it seems your not getting mine.

If you want a APBT that is dog aggressive, you are a problem.Yes you may have a dog that gets along with others,At least they have time being. But you also do not have a true abpt get my point? That is what I have and I would like to keep them I hunt with mine I need the truth not a shell of a dog that looks like one. I also want my kids to be able to have a honest game bred dog. And the way things are going its Just going to be Cheap copies left And understand this they dont give a crap If it looks like a pit its a pit. When they order all to be put down your little babies are on the list. NOW DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEEN? Guy bred great dogs that were honest true to standerd and he is being perscuted for it. J

[Rocky H. Balboa]

One more thing....I like everything I own to be first rate. I buy quality clothes, best grown veggies and fruits, best meats, etc. My city has a speed limit, that would not stop me from getting a Lamborghini if I had the money. Owning that car does not mean I intend on breaking the law. We choose to have true-to-standard specimens not water down versions.

[cutthroat]

haha..... Yep. My Amstaff is a big pussy...

I always was learned that YOUR DOG IS A RELECTION OF ITS OWNER..But again that what I was learned.


Cutt-

[Crystal621]

My dog is a bad ass... However, i have not allowed her to be dog aggressive. I can take her to a dog park and let her loose without a single fear. She can play with a toy poodle, or wrestle with a rottweiler.

Sure, my spring pole could be considered a dog fighting training tool. That would certainly be considered supporting evidence if i had a fighting dog. However, right now... Its simply a toy for my dog to play on. ANd the shock collar... Its not illegal. And its not illegal for my dog to play in water with it on. So that is a pointless argument.

While i completely disagree..I get your point.. But it seems your not getting mine.



First off, read the thread about dog parks.
Bringing her anyway since you have "not allowed her to be DA" is irresponsible.

BTW, how did you not allow her to be DA? I'd love to know..Sadie has hit maturity and is super DA, can't even walk the brat. So tell me, what did you do to curb it???

If you want a APBT that is dog aggressive, you are a problem.

Well, than I guess the majority here is the problem, rather the fools who let their dogs offleash everywhere and bring them to dog parks. Those are the things that affects the public's view, not a responsibly kept DA pit bull. The day your little girl decides not to take shit and doesn't back down (like these dogs were bred to do) and everyone there sees how awful the BREED is, not just her, but the BREED.
If you want a pit bull that is expected not to be DA, than you, my friend, are the problem.

[PADogman]

I always was learned that YOUR DOG IS A RELECTION OF ITS OWNER..But again that what I was learned.


Cutt-

You were learned well.lol

[GSDbulldog]

My dog is a bad ass... However, i have not allowed her to be dog aggressive. I can take her to a dog park and let her loose without a single fear. She can play with a toy poodle, or wrestle with a rottweiler.

Sure, my spring pole could be considered a dog fighting training tool. That would certainly be considered supporting evidence if i had a fighting dog. However, right now... Its simply a toy for my dog to play on. ANd the shock collar... Its not illegal. And its not illegal for my dog to play in water with it on. So that is a pointless argument.

While i completely disagree..I get your point.. But it seems your not getting mine.

If you want a APBT that is dog aggressive, you are a problem.

Hello and welcome to "Pit Bull Ownership 101":

"ALWAYS have your Pit Bull on leash when you take him/her for a walk.

Do not bring an adult Pit Bull to an off-leash dog park or any other area where it may come into contact with other dogs running loose.


Early socialization MAY help, but is not a guarantee that your Pit Bull won't become dog-aggressive at some point. ALWAYS be prepared for it!"
-Courtesy of Pit Bull Rescue Central, www.pbrc.net



You seem adamant about putting words into members' mouths. No one here has stated a thing about wanting a "dog aggressive" animal...



Teddy, I beg you to keep an open mind and move away from the hogwash notion that only "dog fighters" and similar "low life" individuals admire the real-deal American pit bull terrier; i.e., the game-bred animal.







If you want a pit bull that is expected not to be DA, than you, my friend, are the problem.

What she said.

[TripleJ]

Some people are just closed minded. Point is I feel bad for Guy and all that have been wrongly jailed. LOOK what the foot ball star started Thanks Vick !You know its funny how People some people will think nothing about eating meat yet think nothing about how it got on the plate. Or how they go every week end and play golf and think nothing about all the lives lost to make the corse. Or the big houses they live in that most dont need and dont think about the trees cut down for it. But they put a man in jail for keeping dogs the best way they can. I just dont get what this world is coming to. J

[BoiBoi]

its a damn shame, i feel sorry for Al, hopefully things work out for him.
Oh and teddyk, its people like u that are the cause of the demise of the greatest breed the world has ever known, u don't know shit about the REAL APBT but u feel the need to spread ur foolishness that u've learned from the media. Here's and idea, how about u join an amstaff site because ur dog or u have no place in this community, especially because ur not willing to learn a little
YIS, B

[mac 11]

As far as Mr. White goes sorry to here that bad news. As far as people bashing those trying to perserve the breed get off this site, cause thats why we are here. If you read Pit Bull Community's Mission Statement at the top of every page then you would see in plain english that this is a site about the perservation of the original AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER not staffs, bullys, or anything for that matter thats not a TRUE Bulldog. So if your going to post people be smart and think cause the haters and snitches are teaming up and making REAL peoples life harder and harder.

P.S ask anybody from the South what happens to snitches and see what they say. :cool:


HI HATERS

[teddyk]

Thanks for the warning, im glad i got the K-Y? ;) That was my first time, thanks for being gentle, you really know what your doing.

gay...


Spelling errors, grammatical errors.... Really.... You are going to bring that up? How trivial.

Im all about letting people do what they want... If you wanted to marry another man.. Go for it. If you want to breed dogs, go for it. There are rules though. I imagine if you don't follow the rules, you can get yourself in trouble.

An article was posted. I commented on the article. And i openly said, i don't know if he is guilty or not. Are you saying you know for a fact that he is innocent? Or are you saying "who gives a shit if he is guilty, he shouldnt get locked up".

Humaniacs, PETA, SPCA-- they can't come take my dogs. My dogs are healthy, happy, socialized, vaccinated and receive routine vet screenings.

I found out today that im a humaniac, i guess i should kill myself because i use e-collars and exercise my dogs on a spring pole.. I had no idea how obvious my lack of knowlegde was... :rolleyes: Having raised a APBT (RIP) and raising two Amstaffs using the e-collar as a tool... You, buddy, cannot tell me anything i don't already know. My use of e-collar affects nobody, but my dogs and I. If what you do, could possibly affect my future rights... I have every right to ditch the live and let live philosophy.

Ive visted many Amstaff and APBT kennels... Stellar dogs, stellar people. I certainly did not say destroy all breeders. I didnt lurk here because i wanted to learn myself on breeding practices.

Stick to the OP, rather then try to homosexually abuse me over the internet and peddle your bullshit... My opinion of how dogs should be treated falls in line with what is legal in the US of A.

[mac 11]

Thanks for the warning, im glad i got the K-Y? ;) That was my first time, thanks for being gentle, you really know what your doing.

gay....

LOL! Next time they should use a flirt pole.

[cutthroat]

Humaniacs, PETA, SPCA-- they can't come take my dogs. My dogs are healthy, happy, socialized, vaccinated and receive routine vet screenings.

.

Of course they wont mess with there own employees or voulnteer


cutt-

[teddyk]

First off, read the thread about dog parks.
Bringing her anyway since you have "not allowed her to be DA" is irresponsible.

BTW, how did you not allow her to be DA? I'd love to know..Sadie has hit maturity and is super DA, can't even walk the brat. So tell me, what did you do to curb it???



Well, than I guess the majority here is the problem, rather the fools who let their dogs offleash everywhere and bring them to dog parks. Those are the things that affects the public's view, not a responsibly kept DA pit bull. The day your little girl decides not to take shit and doesn't back down (like these dogs were bred to do) and everyone there sees how awful the BREED is, not just her, but the BREED.
If you want a pit bull that is expected not to be DA, than you, my friend, are the problem.


Yes, dog aggression is inherently part of the breed. I never nurtured that behavior. I had her in dog parks since she was 12 weeks old. That behavior was disciplined accordingly. I guess the answer to your question is.. Proper training / early socialization. Simple.

There is a show called dog whisperer... The guy rehabs bastard dogs regularly... Although.. That might be a magic show.

[BoiBoi]

hmm.....well u are basically trying to impose ur opinion on how others should treat their dogs, well im sorry to say but 95% of people in this country treat their dogs like humans instead of what they really are. In that same mindset they give these damn dogs more rights than most humans get, which in turn ruins a humans life because he decided that he wanted to chain his dog outdoors and actually keep it in good shape instead of having the dog shit and piss all over his house and lay around being a fat slob. No matter how u word ur responses ur still saying the same thing and unfortunately nobody on this site agrees with u, oh and by the way look up most dog fighting cases and u'll see that a springpole was considered dog fighting evidence so therefore ur in the same class as Al White and should have ur dog taken and u be charged with dog fighting.

[jeeperino]

This is a terrible tragedy in more than one way, our thoughts and prayers should go out to the White family.

F that TeddyK character, hes a Troll. I say Ignore his/her bitch ass.

[TripleJ]

Thanks for the warning, im glad i got the K-Y? ;) That was my first time, thanks for being gentle, you really know what your doing.

gay...


Spelling errors, grammatical errors.... Really.... You are going to bring that up? How trivial.

Im all about letting people do what they want... If you wanted to marry another man.. Go for it. If you want to breed dogs, go for it. There are rules though. I imagine if you don't follow the rules, you can get yourself in trouble.

An article was posted. I commented on the article. And i openly said, i don't know if he is guilty or not. Are you saying you know for a fact that he is innocent? Or are you saying "who gives a shit if he is guilty, he shouldnt get locked up".

Humaniacs, PETA, SPCA-- they can't come take my dogs. My dogs are healthy, happy, socialized, vaccinated and receive routine vet screenings.

I found out today that im a humaniac, i guess i should kill myself because i use e-collars and exercise my dogs on a spring pole.. I had no idea how obvious my lack of knowlegde was... :rolleyes: Having raised a APBT (RIP) and raising two Amstaffs using the e-collar as a tool... You, buddy, cannot tell me anything i don't already know. My use of e-collar affects nobody, but my dogs and I. If what you do, could possibly affect my future rights... I have every right to ditch the live and let live philosophy.

Ive visted many Amstaff and APBT kennels... Stellar dogs, stellar people. I certainly did not say destroy all breeders. I didnt lurk here because i wanted to learn myself on breeding practices.

Stick to the OP, rather then try to homosexually abuse me over the internet and peddle your bullshit... My opinion of how dogs should be treated falls in line with what is legal in the US of A.
They cant take you dogs? what the hell is BSL? Like I said if it looks lik a pit its a pit. Even though your dogs ARE not apbt they look like them and thats all they care about. And as far as you coller only affects your dogs some folks think its wrong and some of those folks pass laws and go to county seat hearings. I KNOW I FOUGHT THE LAW IN MY CO TO BAN TEATHERING AND MY SELF AND FELLOW DOG MEN WON! think befor you spout the crap out your mouth. I dont care what you do with you dogs why should you care what any one else does? As far as I care you could hook up a car battery to that e-Collor and blow there head off It dont matter to me BUT if someone said you were a dog fighter and locked your ass up and put down your dogs I would stick up for you also. EVERY ONE NEEDS TOO. I bet you watch UFC and dont think thats Wrong. But to say it wrong for game dogs blows me away. J

[teddyk]

See the problem is people like all of you need people like me to do all the thinking for you..

Tools.

[BoiBoi]

See the problem is people like all of you need people like me to do all the thinking for you..

Tools.


ok well i guess its time to do what i do best
TROLL......TROLL......TROLL......TROLLLLLLLL

don't worry folks i've done it plenty of times and i'll do it again, he'll be gone in no time

[TripleJ]

See the problem is people like all of you need people like me to do all the thinking for you..

Tools.You know the funny thing is my good friend just got off the phone with me and his 2 house dogs FAT house dog got into it last night and he took the female to the em vet to get her eye fixed now the are at his house right now. His dogs never ever had any aggresion to each other I will let every one know what happens when he calls back. J

[cutthroat]

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[Crystal621]

Yes, dog aggression is inherently part of the breed. I never nurtured that behavior. I had her in dog parks since she was 12 weeks old. That behavior was disciplined accordingly. I guess the answer to your question is.. Proper training / early socialization. Simple.

There is a show called dog whisperer... The guy rehabs bastard dogs regularly... Although.. That might be a magic show.


First, f*ck Cesar Millan. I train my dogs along with my Schutzhund trainer. I don't agree with more than half the ways that man "trains" dogs.

Second, I did socialize my dog from the get go, she went to the dog beach and park since she was 8 weeks old up until her first heat. Before I knew how bad dog parks were, she went there everyday. So there goes your nurture vs. nature theory. She has proper training and early socialization. Not that simple. It is in her genetics. Just like I can't change how tall I am, or the color of my eyes.

[teddyk]

hmm.....well u are basically trying to impose ur opinion on how others should treat their dogs, well im sorry to say but 95% of people in this country treat their dogs like humans instead of what they really are. In that same mindset they give these damn dogs more rights than most humans get, which in turn ruins a humans life because he decided that he wanted to chain his dog outdoors and actually keep it in good shape instead of having the dog shit and piss all over his house and lay around being a fat slob. No matter how u word ur responses ur still saying the same thing and unfortunately nobody on this site agrees with u, oh and by the way look up most dog fighting cases and u'll see that a springpole was considered dog fighting evidence so therefore ur in the same class as Al White and should have ur dog taken and u be charged with dog fighting.

I wasn't imposing my opinion. I was stating it.

My dogs roam freely in my house without shitting and pissing in it. And they are in pretty good shape. So you agree its unfortunate that everybody disagrees with me?

I already said that a spring pole could be considered evidence.. Just as my guns could be considered evidence in a murder if i was somehow linked to one? I am certainly not in the same class as Al White... I am not breeding dogs..... Your post is garbage.

[mindogg]

go away teddy. u r garbage. where's the troll spray

[teddyk]

your troll spray sucks...

[kayo45]

My dog is a bad ass... However, i have not allowed her to be dog aggressive. I can take her to a dog park and let her loose without a single fear. She can play with a toy poodle, or wrestle with a rottweiler.

Sure, my spring pole could be considered a dog fighting training tool. That would certainly be considered supporting evidence if i had a fighting dog. However, right now... Its simply a toy for my dog to play on. ANd the shock collar... Its not illegal. And its not illegal for my dog to play in water with it on. So that is a pointless argument.

While i completely disagree..I get your point.. But it seems your not getting mine.

If you want a APBT that is dog aggressive, you are a problem.

You should look into getting a different breed of dog because dog aggression is apart of the breeds personality. Sure there are some that will tolerate other dogs or don't have the aggression at all. But 9/10 it's gonna be dog aggressive, besides if your not breeding for gameness you're not breeding REAL APBT's

[SMOKIN HEMI]

Id watch your fat fingers before using em to call me a dumb dumb.

I don't know if he is guilty or not. And it isnt my job to find out. Was he fighting dogs? Was he selling dogs for fighting? If he was, then he has to settle up. If he wasnt, then suuuure..... Its a damn shame, hope they leave him alone and he gets his dogs back.

And to clarify:
I wouldn't have a yard of game-bred dogs... Historically, the game these dogs were meant for is dog fighting. This game is no longer legal.. So even if he isnt fighting em, what are they doing with em... Catch dogs? Weight Pulling? Selling game-bred pups to idiots who then grow up and chew off a kids face.... Riiiight. That right there is SMRT.


Maybe some of the breeders should be destroyed.. Ever think of that? By breeding these dogs and letting em spend their whole life hanging off a chain spitting out puppies, you aint doing shit for the breed.... And you definitly aren't making it easier for me to keep my dogs.



Why would you come to a game dog site?? This is GAME DOG DOT COM

[game_test]

when will people realize just to ignore the fool? c'mon quit entertaining his bullshit and it will go away.

[Lethalpits]

It is very unfortunate to hear about Mr. White. Well known man down here in the south. Like many have said before, the witch hunt has begun.

Even though there has been plenty of them, this is a wakeup call again for everyone who owns 'real' american pitbull terriers. Honestly, I think everyone needs to tighten up their circles, clean up the yards and take a break for quite a while. Not meaning a break from the dogs, but it looks like we're gonna have to break away from doing our normal activities with our dogs. I have four dogs on chains out back with two extra chain spots, had a spring pole from a tree, an emill, breaking stick and a flirt pole..I still have my dogs on the chain, but I've pretty much stored the other items away except the flirt pole. I had a neighbor ask us why we 'train' our dogs so rigerously. So, now knowing I was under the eye, I ditched everything.

I know not everyone wants to hear things like that, and I've had to talk with some people on these issues and all I hear is 'hell I've got my rights I can do what I want'...well keep on keepin on wish ya the best of luck. I'm tellin you, even if you don't engage in matches, if someone sees you runnin a dog through a keep even for just a fun show or somethin, that $5,000 is worth a lot more than you think right now. And the circumstances are a hell of a lot more than whatever we'll gain from workin our dogs. a title aint worth a damn thing right now. Freedom is more important. I'll say it again, keep it clean, it aint worth it right now. Trust me, they cant afford to keep handing 5,000 for too damn long.

Teddy, it's people like you that add fuel to the fire. People like Mr. White are just normal people that are trying to live out the rest of their lives with their dogs. Then you got naysayers and people like you talkin out the side of their mouth "well if he is doing somethin he needs to be locked up". "Why own a game dog or breed em' so they can bite a kids face off blah blah". Get a clue buddy. Why do you even own this breed? So you can stroke your dogs at night and point fingers at responsible owners?
As good as it may seem to have your dog runnin around actin like a poodle in the park, one day another more dominant dog is going to challenge your dog and all those 'walks in the park' before will mean nothing to the public the day your dog grows some balls. There will be some frequent person there who will say 'I told you so or I knew it all along'...someone who sounds just like your ass. Dog whisperer..lol.

[teddyk]

Why would you come to a game dog site?? This is GAME DOG DOT COM

Snap. Got me there. What was i thinking?
Why do i go to youtube if its not metube... I have to rethink everything now.

I guess this website is for people who think it is responsible behavior to encourage dog aggressiveness? I mean that seems to me what you guys mean by a game dog... right?

I have no problems with responsible people breeding dogs, selling dogs, hunting with dogs or whatever... Fighting dogs... Thats a problem.. If you see it any other way, you have a problem and zero class.

[RightHandImp]

when will people realize just to ignore the fool? c'mon quit entertaining his bullshit and it will go away.
Can we get a dancing monkey instead?? :D

[Lethalpits]

I have no problems with responsible people breeding dogs, selling dogs, hunting with dogs or whatever... Fighting dogs... Thats a problem.. If you see it any other way, you have a problem and zero class.


There is a big difference between fighting dogs and owning dogs that are dog aggressive. It is a genetic trait in these dogs. It doesn't take 'encouragement' to have a REAL apbt grow up to be dog aggressive. It is natural. In the beginning, I've owned dogs that I tried extremely hard to keep sociable, but in the end they all grow into their natural instincts.
I don't 'encourage' anyone to train or help their dogs grow into dog aggressiveness..but I will NEVER encourage anyone like you to let their amstaff or apbts run loose like Lassie in the park. I know the consequences and it doesn't hurt just you and your dog it affects all of us and people like Mr. White get the shit end of the stick because they are the so called "root" of the problem..

[BoiBoi]

I wasn't imposing my opinion. I was stating it.

My dogs roam freely in my house without shitting and pissing in it. And they are in pretty good shape. So you agree its unfortunate that everybody disagrees with me?

I already said that a spring pole could be considered evidence.. Just as my guns could be considered evidence in a murder if i was somehow linked to one? I am certainly not in the same class as Al White... I am not breeding dogs..... Your post is garbage.


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[BoiBoi]

Snap. Got me there. What was i thinking?
Why do i go to youtube if its not metube... I have to rethink everything now.

I guess this website is for people who think it is responsible behavior to encourage dog aggressiveness? I mean that seems to me what you guys mean by a game dog... right?

I have no problems with responsible people breeding dogs, selling dogs, hunting with dogs or whatever... Fighting dogs... Thats a problem.. If you see it any other way, you have a problem and zero class.


TROLLLLLLL

[BoiBoi]

your troll spray sucks...


TROLLLLLLLL

[JRSPITS]

We accept DA an a breed trait. When my pup was 16 weeks old he thought he could take anything with fur; not my choice but I accept it.

One word of warning...when they realize they can't get to your dogs, they go after your kids next. Even without chains, spring/flirtpoles, or treadmills. It never ends once it starts.

Good luck to Mr. White, we need a win in our corner.

[coolhandjean]

Selling game-bred pups to idiots who then grow up and chew off a kids face.

Gamebred APBT are the least likely of all the "pit bull" breeds to attack a human being. Some dogs, back in that day that were fought, slept besides the handlers/owners children, and many were house "pets".

This guy hasn't been found guilty. They have just decided his dogs are too thin, though, looking at the video the dogs don't look thin to me. Also, many people whom have gamebred dogs might have a dog with scars, doesn't mean they allowed their dogs to fight, it could mean that there was a yard accident.

This is a witch hunt. Taking out alleged dog fighter because someone called you and told you they were possibly fighting dogs, gets us all in trouble. What if your neighbor has a problem with you and decides, "Hey, he has 'pit bulls' (they don't have to be gamebred, John Q. Public couldn't tell you the difference anyway). I'll call in a tip." You haven't done anything wrong, but guess what happened? The AC comes, takes your dogs. The media makes you look like a monster, and before you ever get to prove yourself innocent, they kill your dogs. So, even once you are found innocent, the public sees you as an "Evil" Dog fighter, and you are without a dog to your name.

[game_test]

Can we get a dancing monkey instead?? :D


i dont know what it is but dancing monkeys always seem to make me laugh. add a monkey to anything and it automatically becomes funny.

[Tcarter]

Teddyk what is your purpose on this forum? Most of of here have gamebred dogs and we share stories pictures and knowledge. What can you bring to the table?? Just wondering.

[BullDog143]

This should show everyone to keep your yard LOCKED DOWN and no visitors to your yard. Keep a very close Knit circle around you with only the people you trust. There is always going to be haters around you and want what you have and if they cant get it then they will do anything to make you mad. Keep smart people because were all being watched it dont matter if your a well know breeder that has 50+ dogs or just some guy down the street that has 2 dogs. The feds are taking all the big names down first and then start with the smaller kennels cant you see that. JUST PLEASE BE SMART WITH WHAT YOU DO.

[Osea]

People! Please stop playing into teddyk's game and wasting your text on them. teddyk is the type of person who would want a Springer Spaniel that suffers from Ornithophobia.

As for the bust, well if it's true that they did in fact have three dog pits on their property then there ain't much to be said because they were asking for this to happen at some point. A real shame to hear about the dogs though because we all know he ain't got the spotlight or bank account that Vick had so I doubt many rescue groups will be stampeding towards the cash, no no I mean towards saving these dogs like they were Vick's.

[Marty]

We don't need people like teddyk on this site...

They want be back!

[BullDog143]

We don't need people like teddyk on this site...

They want be back!
Thanks, I know this must be a loss for you marty because you got dogs directly off of Al's dogs.

[Tcarter]

easy there easy;)

[cheese]

As for the bust, well if it's true that they did in fact have three dog pits on their property then there ain't much to be said because they were asking for this to happen at some point. A real shame to hear about the dogs though because we all know he ain't got the spotlight or bank account that Vick had so I doubt many rescue groups will be stampeding towards the cash, no no I mean towards saving these dogs like they were Vick's.
I am sceptical of what they call a "pit". It could be true but i won't make assumptions based on what police told are reporter:rolleyes: The only thing i saw mentioned about health was the dogs wre skinny but they seem to say that about everyones dogs.

[14rock]

As for the bust, well if it's true that they did in fact have three dog pits on their property then there ain't much to be said because they were asking for this to happen at some point. .

More often than not, you'll find the "pits" they find on properties are small (much to small to be pits, and why have 3 in the first place?), normally brood/puppy pens. A 6'x6' wire mesh pen is now the standard size of fighting pits. LOL

[rallyracer]

exactly- 3 pits? what is this- a stop on the Warped Tour ?( music festival that has 3+ stages for those not in the know)

[Marty]

Thanks, I know this must be a loss for you marty because you got dogs directly off of Al's dogs.Its always a loss when a good breeder goes down, I have meet Al a couple of times, I hope the best for him and the dogs.

[simms]

This should show everyone to keep your yard LOCKED DOWN and no visitors to your yard. Keep a very close Knit circle around you with only the people you trust. There is always going to be haters around you and want what you have and if they cant get it then they will do anything to make you mad. Keep smart people because were all being watched it dont matter if your a well know breeder that has 50+ dogs or just some guy down the street that has 2 dogs. The feds are taking all the big names down first and then start with the smaller kennels cant you see that. JUST PLEASE BE SMART WITH WHAT YOU DO.

Best advice out of this thread!

[Marty]

Alleged Dogfighting Heavyweight Busted in Ga.

Alleged Dogfighting Heavyweight Busted in Ga.

July 18, 2008


©Huemer/The HSUS
Authorities seized 22 suspected fighting dogs.
The Appalachian Circuit D.A.'s office yesterday raided Mountain Swamp Kennels in Blue Ridge, Ga., in a "textbook dogfighting case." The D.A. acted on intelligence provided by The HSUS and Norred & Associates.

Albert Glenn White, the apparent owner of the alleged dogfighting operation, was arrested and charged with approximately 22 counts of felony dogfighting.

Authorities found three dogfighting pits on the property and seized 22 dogs along with suspected dogfighting paraphernalia. Several dogs had scars consistent with dogfighting.

White is reportedly an influential figure in the underground dogfighting circuit and is the breeder of several pit bull bloodlines cherished by dogfighters.

Report suspected animal fighting activities toll-free at 877-TIP-HSUS.
A tip to our line led to this dogfighting bust.

"Today's raid on Mountain Swap Kennels was a textbook dogfighting case," said Laura Bevan, director of The HSUS's Southeast regional office. "District Attorney Joe Hendricks' investigators acted quickly against this suspected dogfighting operation. The raid shows that once law enforcement is given the necessary tools, they are ready and able to bring animal fighters to justice."

Multiple Groups and Agencies

Dr. Melinda Merck, forensic veterinarian and leader of American Society for the Protection of Cruelty to Animals' CSI Unit, assisted with the raid and evaluated the seized dogs for evidence of animal fighting. The Zell Miller Mountain Parkway Drug Task Force and the Georgia Department of Natural Resources also took part in the raid.

Information regarding Mountain Swamp Kennels was first provided to The HSUS via its tip line, 877-TIP-HSUS. The HSUS animal fighting tip line was established by Atlanta-based corporate security and investigations firm Norred & Associates in the wake of the Michael Vick case so that Georgia residents can easily report illegal animal fighting to authorities.

The HSUS offers up to $5,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in animal fighting. The HSUS's animal fighting reward program has been made possible thanks to a grant by the Holland M. Ware Charitable Foundation, which is also based in Atlanta.

Making It Happen

"Georgia's newly strengthened dogfighting law has made it possible to crack down on one of the nation's leading dogfighting figures," said Appalachian Circuit District Attorney Joe Hendricks. "I commend my office's lead investigator in this case, Kenny Crook, The Humane Society of the United States, the ASPCA, The Zell Miller Mountain Parkway Drug Task Force, the Georgia Department of Natural Resources and the Georgia State Patrol for their hard work in making this raid happen."

It is a felony to own, possess, train, transport or sell a dog for the purpose of dogfighting in Georgia. Those involved in illegal dogfighting, as White is alleged, can receive one to five years in prison, a minimum fine of $5,000 or both. On May 16, Gov. Sonny Purdue signed legislation strengthening the state's dogfighting law.3

I would love to see the three dog fighting "pits" will they show them Hell no!

Just like in the FBs case they are grasping for straws :(

Its time for Sonny Purdue to get a real job and and get out of office :(

[simms]

Alleged Dogfighting Heavyweight Busted in Ga.

Alleged Dogfighting Heavyweight Busted in Ga.

July 18, 2008


©Huemer/The HSUS
Authorities seized 22 suspected fighting dogs.
The Appalachian Circuit D.A.'s office yesterday raided Mountain Swamp Kennels in Blue Ridge, Ga., in a "textbook dogfighting case." The D.A. acted on intelligence provided by The HSUS and Norred & Associates.

Albert Glenn White, the apparent owner of the alleged dogfighting operation, was arrested and charged with approximately 22 counts of felony dogfighting.

Authorities found three dogfighting pits on the property and seized 22 dogs along with suspected dogfighting paraphernalia. Several dogs had scars consistent with dogfighting.

White is reportedly an influential figure in the underground dogfighting circuit and is the breeder of several pit bull bloodlines cherished by dogfighters.

Report suspected animal fighting activities toll-free at 877-TIP-HSUS.
A tip to our line led to this dogfighting bust.

"Today's raid on Mountain Swap Kennels was a textbook dogfighting case," said Laura Bevan, director of The HSUS's Southeast regional office. "District Attorney Joe Hendricks' investigators acted quickly against this suspected dogfighting operation. The raid shows that once law enforcement is given the necessary tools, they are ready and able to bring animal fighters to justice."

Multiple Groups and Agencies

Dr. Melinda Merck, forensic veterinarian and leader of American Society for the Protection of Cruelty to Animals' CSI Unit, assisted with the raid and evaluated the seized dogs for evidence of animal fighting. The Zell Miller Mountain Parkway Drug Task Force and the Georgia Department of Natural Resources also took part in the raid.

Information regarding Mountain Swamp Kennels was first provided to The HSUS via its tip line, 877-TIP-HSUS. The HSUS animal fighting tip line was established by Atlanta-based corporate security and investigations firm Norred & Associates in the wake of the Michael Vick case so that Georgia residents can easily report illegal animal fighting to authorities.

The HSUS offers up to $5,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in animal fighting. The HSUS's animal fighting reward program has been made possible thanks to a grant by the Holland M. Ware Charitable Foundation, which is also based in Atlanta.

Making It Happen

"Georgia's newly strengthened dogfighting law has made it possible to crack down on one of the nation's leading dogfighting figures," said Appalachian Circuit District Attorney Joe Hendricks. "I commend my office's lead investigator in this case, Kenny Crook, The Humane Society of the United States, the ASPCA, The Zell Miller Mountain Parkway Drug Task Force, the Georgia Department of Natural Resources and the Georgia State Patrol for their hard work in making this raid happen."

It is a felony to own, possess, train, transport or sell a dog for the purpose of dogfighting in Georgia. Those involved in illegal dogfighting, as White is alleged, can receive one to five years in prison, a minimum fine of $5,000 or both. On May 16, Gov. Sonny Purdue signed legislation strengthening the state's dogfighting law.3

I would love to see the three dog fighting "pits" will they show them Hell no!

Just like in the FBs case they are grasping for straws :(

Its time for Sonny Purdue to get a real job and and get out of office :(
Bestfriends helped write that law.

[STPFAN]

Where do I order the troll spray?:rolleyes:

[Virgil dogs]

Can we get a dancing monkey instead?? :D
LOL LOL LOL NOW THATS FUNNY RIGHT THERE I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE,SHARP AS A TAC.

[Angels8]

"Its time for Sonny Purdue to get a real job and and get out of office :("

But nooooo.... He prayed for rain during the drought, he banned alcohol sales, he is a good man. *hack, cough, hack, gag* I am so glad to be out of that state.Sadly,Dallas is not much better anymore.