Lonzo dogs manbiters?

[Desone]

Im looking foward to getting a Lonzo bred dog. I have seen three and all three were manbiters.
Just looking for opinions on anyone who has any or seen a few.
Thanks

[masta of game]

sorry, may i ask, what makes u think they r man biters.. and what kinda man biters r they ..

and no sorry, i dont have any or seen any. :o

[Desone]

I dont think all are man biters. Im asking for opinions and experiences.

[Fuerte Toro]

I know one pure Lonzo dog and many crosses with Lonzo dogs - 90% of them are manbiters, sadly...

[RIVES PITS]

I have had the privelage of knowing and talking to Mt.Man and when he first saw and picked up Zebo he bit him. Being that is basically what Lonzo ran I thought I would add that. Some lines just have the tendancy to throw man biters but that doesn't mean they aren't good dogs. I wouldn't own a too man aggeressive dog but it isn't always the dogs fault for biting someone.

[14rock]

IF you've had these experiences with the dogs, why are you interested in them?

[OnionHead]

Mine isnt a man biter at all

[Big Game]

HELLO! ABK whare are you?? lol.

[frenchie1936]

IF you've had these experiences with the dogs, why are you interested in them?


i was kinda curious about this myself. but i also have zero telorance for man biting.

[ABK]

Here I am Big Game! What do you guys do on Sat. nights? Sit up all night & post on GD.com??? lol.

In my experince Lonzo dogs as a whole are not man-biters. In fact, I have seen WAY more Lonzo dogs who would rather RETREAT from a person rather than bite them. I have some Lonzo dogs who you could stomp their guts out & they wouldn't raise a whisker.

But just like anything, it depends on where you get them. If you are buying from a breeder who is focusing on producing the ever-so-popular short, stocky Lonzo dogs w/ no regard to temperament, yes, you may get a man-biter. Or if you buy from a breeder who is breeding off an unstable dog just b/c it has a pretty ped, you may get a man-biter.

HOWEVER ... I will say this ... *some* Lonzo dogs (not all) will bite in defense of themselves or their family. For example, I know of a Lonzo dog who is normally meek & mild as a kitten. But if you try to grab at him while his owner is not present you'll probably get a good nip for your troubles & if you try to hurt his owner, he will eat you up. Even if you will look at the bites by Zebo himself, most weren't off the cuff I'm-gonna-bite-for-fun bites. Most were the result of a stranger intruding on him unattended by his owner into his chain space.

But if it eases your mind, most Lonzo dogs are heavily bred on Vindicator, not Zebo. In fact, many serious fanciers of the Zebo line don't even call Lonzo dogs Zebo dogs. They call them Vindicator dogs. Vindy, in case you don't already know, was Zebo's 2xw brother. He was said by some back in the day to be even better than Zebo in the box & Vindy never had a history of laying a tooth on any human, or even showing a desire to do so.

All in all, I have owned several Lonzo dogs, both pure & crossed. I myself have I never come across one that was a true man-biter. I have met one that would bite in defense of his owner / himself & one who was an excite biter who would give you a nip if she was too riled up. All the others I've met would rather retreat than bite.

Now I'm not saying there aren't any Lonzo bred biters. I'm sure there are. But biters come in any line. The Lonzo ones (& the Bullyson ones too) just get more hype b/c of the reputations of the foundation dog. Heck, I have heard of some Bolio dogs who were terrible man-biters, but you don't hear of anyone being concerned about bying a Bolio dog b/c Bolio didn't have the man-eater stigma of Zebo or Bullyson.

The fact is, as long as you buy your dog from a reputable breeder who is breeding quality stock, is breeding for the right reasons & doesn't tolorate a man-biting dog, regardless of the line, your chances of getting a biter are pretty low.

Hope this helps!

[Bullyson]

Good post. Ive got a question, not to get OT but...would you consider it a bad trait if you have a dog that you've never trained in protection that is protective anyway? My house dog Heidi LOVES everyone. She has never shown a sign of HA OTHER THAN being protective over myself and my family. If you come at me crazy, she growls 1st and then will bark, charge and try to bite. Thats the only time Ive ever seen her get mad at people. You could walk right in my house and steal everything I own and she'd probably lick you all the way out the door. She's never bitten anyone but she's come close. Ive been in a few back yard brawls with her around at bbq's and such and I've had to have someone hold her still while I did my work. ;) But she's as cool as a cucumber otherwise...Any opinions on this???Here I am Big Game! What do you guys do on Sat. nights? Sit up all night & post on GD.com??? lol.

In my experince Lonzo dogs as a whole are not man-biters. In fact, I have seen WAY more Lonzo dogs who would rather RETREAT from a person rather than bite them. I have some Lonzo dogs who you could stomp their guts out & they wouldn't raise a whisker.

But just like anything, it depends on where you get them. If you are buying from a breeder who is focusing on producing the ever-so-popular short, stocky Lonzo dogs w/ no regard to temperament, yes, you may get a man-biter. Or if you buy from a breeder who is breeding off an unstable dog just b/c it has a pretty ped, you may get a man-biter.

HOWEVER ... I will say this ... *some* Lonzo dogs (not all) will bite in defense of themselves or their family. For example, I know of a Lonzo dog who is normally meek & mild as a kitten. But if you try to grab at him while his owner is not present you'll probably get a good nip for your troubles & if you try to hurt his owner, he will eat you up. Even if you will look at the bites by Zebo himself, most weren't off the cuff I'm-gonna-bite-for-fun bites. Most were the result of a stranger intruding on him unattended by his owner into his chain space.

But if it eases your mind, most Lonzo dogs are heavily bred on Vindicator, not Zebo. In fact, many serious fanciers of the Zebo line don't even call Lonzo dogs Zebo dogs. They call them Vindicator dogs. Vindy, in case you don't already know, was Zebo's 2xw brother. He was said by some back in the day to be even better than Zebo in the box & Vindy never had a history of laying a tooth on any human, or even showing a desire to do so.

All in all, I have owned several Lonzo dogs, both pure & crossed. I myself have I never come across one that was a true man-biter. I have met one that would bite in defense of his owner / himself & one who was an excite biter who would give you a nip if she was too riled up. All the others I've met would rather retreat than bite.

Now I'm not saying there aren't any Lonzo bred biters. I'm sure there are. But biters come in any line. The Lonzo ones (& the Bullyson ones too) just get more hype b/c of the reputations of the foundation dog. Heck, I have heard of some Bolio dogs who were terrible man-biters, but you don't hear of anyone being concerned about bying a Bolio dog b/c Bolio didn't have the man-eater stigma of Zebo or Bullyson.

The fact is, as long as you buy your dog from a reputable breeder who is breeding quality stock, is breeding for the right reasons & doesn't tolorate a man-biting dog, regardless of the line, your chances of getting a biter are pretty low.

Hope this helps!

[Big Game]

Flat out manbiters need to be culled! I see nothing wrong with the behavior you described. Big Game

[ABK]

Bullyson: While Heidi's behaviour is not standard for the APBT, I wouldn't consider it completely abnormal. IMO such traits are just a throwback from the breed's bulldog ancestors of old. As long as she only is aggressive in defense of her family, you are aware she has HA tendencies & contain her properly to avoid any problems, I see no real issue.

JMHO ...

[simms]

Here I am Big Game! What do you guys do on Sat. nights? Sit up all night & post on GD.com??? lol.

In my experince Lonzo dogs as a whole are not man-biters. In fact, I have seen WAY more Lonzo dogs who would rather RETREAT from a person rather than bite them. I have some Lonzo dogs who you could stomp their guts out & they wouldn't raise a whisker.

But just like anything, it depends on where you get them. If you are buying from a breeder who is focusing on producing the ever-so-popular short, stocky Lonzo dogs w/ no regard to temperament, yes, you may get a man-biter. Or if you buy from a breeder who is breeding off an unstable dog just b/c it has a pretty ped, you may get a man-biter.

HOWEVER ... I will say this ... *some* Lonzo dogs (not all) will bite in defense of themselves or their family. For example, I know of a Lonzo dog who is normally meek & mild as a kitten. But if you try to grab at him while his owner is not present you'll probably get a good nip for your troubles & if you try to hurt his owner, he will eat you up. Even if you will look at the bites by Zebo himself, most weren't off the cuff I'm-gonna-bite-for-fun bites. Most were the result of a stranger intruding on him unattended by his owner into his chain space.

But if it eases your mind, most Lonzo dogs are heavily bred on Vindicator, not Zebo. In fact, many serious fanciers of the Zebo line don't even call Lonzo dogs Zebo dogs. They call them Vindicator dogs. Vindy, in case you don't already know, was Zebo's 2xw brother. He was said by some back in the day to be even better than Zebo in the box & Vindy never had a history of laying a tooth on any human, or even showing a desire to do so.

All in all, I have owned several Lonzo dogs, both pure & crossed. I myself have I never come across one that was a true man-biter. I have met one that would bite in defense of his owner / himself & one who was an excite biter who would give you a nip if she was too riled up. All the others I've met would rather retreat than bite.

Now I'm not saying there aren't any Lonzo bred biters. I'm sure there are. But biters come in any line. The Lonzo ones (& the Bullyson ones too) just get more hype b/c of the reputations of the foundation dog. Heck, I have heard of some Bolio dogs who were terrible man-biters, but you don't hear of anyone being concerned about bying a Bolio dog b/c Bolio didn't have the man-eater stigma of Zebo or Bullyson.

The fact is, as long as you buy your dog from a reputable breeder who is breeding quality stock, is breeding for the right reasons & doesn't tolorate a man-biting dog, regardless of the line, your chances of getting a biter are pretty low.

Hope this helps!
Excellent post and advice.

[Pipbull]

IF you've had these experiences with the dogs, why are you interested in them?

That's what I don't get about some stuff. I hear all these different things, rumors, hear-say and what not, about all these things. Chinaman/Lonzo dogs/Eli dogs/Bullyson is a man biter, etc. But why not just go by what you see and experience first hand?

To the OP, if I were you, I would not get a dog from the Lonzo dogs you have seen personally. That should go for any dog, regardless of a bloodline. If it's not what you want on your yard and doesn't meet your standards, why waste the time and effort.

ETA: Sorry, this was just kind of a rant after hearing all the "I heard blah blah blah" at an ADBA fun show I just went to. Heard that Chinaman was a man biter and that he didn't produce Frisco.

[TheVictor22]

Here I am Big Game! What do you guys do on Sat. nights? Sit up all night & post on GD.com??? lol.

In my experince Lonzo dogs as a whole are not man-biters. In fact, I have seen WAY more Lonzo dogs who would rather RETREAT from a person rather than bite them. I have some Lonzo dogs who you could stomp their guts out & they wouldn't raise a whisker.

But just like anything, it depends on where you get them. If you are buying from a breeder who is focusing on producing the ever-so-popular short, stocky Lonzo dogs w/ no regard to temperament, yes, you may get a man-biter. Or if you buy from a breeder who is breeding off an unstable dog just b/c it has a pretty ped, you may get a man-biter.

HOWEVER ... I will say this ... *some* Lonzo dogs (not all) will bite in defense of themselves or their family. For example, I know of a Lonzo dog who is normally meek & mild as a kitten. But if you try to grab at him while his owner is not present you'll probably get a good nip for your troubles & if you try to hurt his owner, he will eat you up. Even if you will look at the bites by Zebo himself, most weren't off the cuff I'm-gonna-bite-for-fun bites. Most were the result of a stranger intruding on him unattended by his owner into his chain space.

But if it eases your mind, most Lonzo dogs are heavily bred on Vindicator, not Zebo. In fact, many serious fanciers of the Zebo line don't even call Lonzo dogs Zebo dogs. They call them Vindicator dogs. Vindy, in case you don't already know, was Zebo's 2xw brother. He was said by some back in the day to be even better than Zebo in the box & Vindy never had a history of laying a tooth on any human, or even showing a desire to do so.

All in all, I have owned several Lonzo dogs, both pure & crossed. I myself have I never come across one that was a true man-biter. I have met one that would bite in defense of his owner / himself & one who was an excite biter who would give you a nip if she was too riled up. All the others I've met would rather retreat than bite.

Now I'm not saying there aren't any Lonzo bred biters. I'm sure there are. But biters come in any line. The Lonzo ones (& the Bullyson ones too) just get more hype b/c of the reputations of the foundation dog. Heck, I have heard of some Bolio dogs who were terrible man-biters, but you don't hear of anyone being concerned about bying a Bolio dog b/c Bolio didn't have the man-eater stigma of Zebo or Bullyson.

The fact is, as long as you buy your dog from a reputable breeder who is breeding quality stock, is breeding for the right reasons & doesn't tolorate a man-biting dog, regardless of the line, your chances of getting a biter are pretty low.

Hope this helps!

A-B-K! A-B-K! A-B-K!....... Good post. I know were I'm gettin my next dog :D.

[ABK]

simms & TheVictor, thank you for your kind words. I hope the post was helpful to the OP or anyone else who is concerned about the Lonzo line.

[Claddagh_Reds]

I'm wondering if anyone here ever saw Zebo in person? I surely didn't but I've heard by a few that did that he wasn't as bad as he is hyped up to be on the internet.. but again, thats just what I've heard by people who seen with their own eyes..

[Big Game]

He was bad enuff to disfigure D. Adams kids face. I have read manny first hand accounts that said he would scratch into a man the same as a dog. I,m in Michigan. Zebo spent alot of time in Mi and sired alot of pups in this and surrounding areas. Word around here has always ben that he was a Manfighter. He aslo bit L.Hughs. The internet can deffinatly hype things up. From what I,ve gatherd this particular dog earned his reputation as a manfighter. I've herd VIrgal was evan worse.

[masta of game]

uh come on Big Game, why u gotta say that now about Virgil LOL..i was just starting to love him ahaha :D

i was just reading about him before.. and u heard hes even worse ..wow

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16974&highlight=virgil

but nah, i still love a god man fighter.. but i will never attempt to own or keep one..

[ABK]

I think there is one member here who has met Zebo personally.

As for him being a terrible man-fighter & scratching into a man like he would a dog, now that just sounds like plain bull. If that were true, how in the world could he have been ...

- worked for a match?
- handled in a match?
- been around people?
- changed owners?
- physically caught chasing a cat?
- tame enough to have been L. Hughes' house dog?

Did Zebo bite? Sure. We all know this. But I think there is more to it than meets the eye.

He did bite Adams' son real good & he did bite Mr. Hughes. He also bit some hot shot dog trainer. But in all cases a stranger was trespassing on his chain space w/o his owner present.

Like I said before, there is a lot of hype around Zebo &/or Lonzo dogs being man-biters. But I think the Zebo thing has been a little blown out of proportion & that Lonzo dogs don't bite any more than any other line, but when they do bite, you hear about it b/c they go back to the "man-fighter" GR.CH. Zebo.

JMHO ...

[frenchie1936]

I think there is one member here who has met Zebo personally.

As for him being a terrible man-fighter & scratching into a man like he would a dog, now that just sounds like plain bull. If that were true, how in the world could he have been ...

- worked for a match?
- handled in a match?
- been around people?
- changed owners?
- physically caught chasing a cat?
- tame enough to have been L. Hughes' house dog?

Did Zebo bite? Sure. We all know this. But I think there is more to it than meets the eye.

He did bite Adams' son real good & he did bite Mr. Hughes. He also bit some hot shot dog trainer. But in all cases a stranger was trespassing on his chain space w/o his owner present.

Like I said before, there is a lot of hype around Zebo &/or Lonzo dogs being man-biters. But I think the Zebo thing has been a little blown out of proportion & that Lonzo dogs don't bite any more than any other line, but when they do bite, you hear about it b/c they go back to the "man-fighter" GR.CH. Zebo.

JMHO ...


i am confused about why people think lonzo dogs to be man-biters if they were mostly bred off of vindicator and not zebo. as you said it goes back to the "man fighter" GR. CH. Zebo. :confused:

[ABK]

I don't know why this is either frenchie. Lonzo dogs ARE more Vindy bred by far & as I mentioned before most serious fanciers don't even consider them Zebo dogs, but rather consider them Vindicator dogs. Yet folks are terrified of them b/c they have big, bad ZEBO in the ped. Heck, Luniewski dogs, Panther dogs & even Toby dogs have far more Zebo in their blood by percentile, yet no one is scared of them, nor do they have a reputation as biters.

Go figure. :rolleyes:

[Big Game]

I think there is one member here who has met Zebo personally.

As for him being a terrible man-fighter & scratching into a man like he would a dog, now that just sounds like plain bull. If that were true, how in the world could he have been ...

- worked for a match?
- handled in a match?
- been around people?
- changed owners?
- physically caught chasing a cat?
- tame enough to have been L. Hughes' house dog?

Did Zebo bite? Sure. We all know this. But I think there is more to it than meets the eye.

He did bite Adams' son real good & he did bite Mr. Hughes. He also bit some hot shot dog trainer. But in all cases a stranger was trespassing on his chain space w/o his owner present.

Like I said before, there is a lot of hype around Zebo &/or Lonzo dogs being man-biters. But I think the Zebo thing has been a little blown out of proportion & that Lonzo dogs don't bite any more than any other line, but when they do bite, you hear about it b/c they go back to the "man-fighter" GR.CH. Zebo.

JMHO ...



I am sure things do get blown out of porportion threw storys or over the internet. However. Any dog as unpredictable as a Zebo or Bullyson who made a habit of putting there teath on human flesh and who gave experianced profecional dogmen the creeps. Is all in all a nasty animal that should never be bred on. Once a dog bites a child. The dog should no longer breathe. JMO.

[ABK]

I agree that man-biters should be culled. But in Zebo's defense he was not unpredictable. Even Mr. Hughes said you could always tell when Zebo was going to bite by the look in his eyes. And he only bit under certain circumstances. He was not happy one moment & then attacking the next as Bullyson was said to have done. Zebo was said to bite only when put in certain situations (i.e. threatened by a trespasser, etc.).

[Bullyson]

Anyone heard any stories of Bullyson producing man fighters? I know Jigger would bite, but he wasnt a man "fighter".

[frenchie1936]

I don't know why this is either frenchie. Lonzo dogs ARE more Vindy bred by far & as I mentioned before most serious fanciers don't even consider them Zebo dogs, but rather consider them Vindicator dogs. Yet folks are terrified of them b/c they have big, bad ZEBO in the ped. Heck, Luniewski dogs, Panther dogs & even Toby dogs have far more Zebo in their blood by percentile, yet no one is scared of them, nor do they have a reputation as biters.

Go figure. :rolleyes:


yeah, go figure. i guess it all comes down to first hand experience.

[TripleJ]

They have teeth and all may bite. Every True tight bred Zebo dog I seen have been very shy and sad but true Cold. I have seen a panther redboy dog that had to be put down by 10 months and mine at 12 months for being way to unpredictable. But that is all I ever messed with. J

[TripleJ]

Anyone heard any stories of Bullyson producing man fighters? I know Jigger would bite, but he wasnt a man "fighter".
That was Jiggers way of saying I love you lets play!! LOL ( bullyson ask ashton about my zebo red boy dog That dog hated him LOL) YIS J