OFRN Questions

[PheonixProject]

Hey Everyone, I am new here and sort of new to the Pitbull world. I am posting to ask some questions about the OFRN lines-specifically Wilder, Hemphill, Sarona, and Corvino-this was the majority stock in my Uncle's kennel. He lost his kennel-some thirty dogs were manipulated.strongarmed/and eventually out right stolen! Anyways what is the caliber of gameness in these lines? Does anyone know what these lines are reputable for (I.E. are they Hardmouthed particularly? Or Exceptionally Game, Etc.) Most of his foundation dogs were well Line Bred Hemphill/Wilder with a little sarona/corvino in there...also he had a lot of woods and this brings me to my last question-what were the woods dogs (Marsha's) know for? Thanks...we are building the foundation of a new Kennel and we are trying to avoid past mistakes. My uncle is a master breeder but as his partner I am new to the A.P.B.T. world (Well, sort of new) and I want to be as able as him so this is why I ask! We intend for the new kennel to be less any UKC curs with the addition of any reputed game lines-we are only looking for the best of the best with lines like Bolio/Tombstone already peaking our interest. Thanks for any responses People. By the way I am the Pheonix and it is nice to meet you!;)

[215pitts]

The only thing I can tell you is that it's hard these days to actually know if these traits are still there because everything was tested millions of years ago:) (illegal now at days). All you can really settle for is stories and other people's words. Only way to really find out is own one yourself and determine if it's worth it. There is a tread on here about OFR's which you can search and if you can't find it, I'll be happy to post it up. Also with you uncle's help (master breeder) I'm sure he can point you in a better direction since he has been doing it for years.

[PheonixProject]

I understand what you are saying man...And yes my Uncle is full of great Information but I am a person who likes to learn for himself and form his own opinions from knowledge gathered by myself-that is the type of knowledge and also the type of info that I ultimately trust bro...
I would hate to be a person reduced to only one source of info/opinions especially that source being partial to a particular point of view becuase he has interests involved as well as being someone whom I am in a business relationship with! No, I prefer to learn and discern for myself and then meet my Uncle on equal ground where I can either agree or disagree with his opinions/information based on my own knowledge! Thank you for the help though friend. You are very right about there being no "Legal" way to test our dogs anymore in order to ascerain whether they are the "Total Package" or not but then again there are Legal" methods that can be used to give one a better idea of what his dog is made of as well as bloodlines-we all believe in bloodlines-bloodlines will always remain reliable to a certain extent just not effective in indicating whether or not a specific dog is what you want or not...Anyways thanks again and I look forward to anymore input on this!

[frenchie1936]

i would go out on a limb here and say your uncle had the woods dogs for an out. and back in the day woods' dogs were known to throw dead game dogs. the most famous being woods' snooty ROM.

[mikefromMD]

If you have access to a master breeder then I would put everything else aside and listen to him. It seems odd that one would want to take the word of some strangers on the internet VS. an actual person who knows and can be watched. Also, this master breeder should have some friends involved w/ dogs and they too, should be an excellent source of knowledge.

[CooljoeGoodie]

If you have access to a master breeder then I would put everything else aside and listen to him. It seems odd that one would want to take the word of some strangers on the internet VS. an actual person who knows and can be watched. Also, this master breeder should have some friends involved w/ dogs and they too, should be an excellent source of knowledge.Well said...

[NavasInc]

What are Dead game dogs? And what ever happen to Marsha Woods I called her number and it changed Ive been trying to get in touch with her. Anyone know how to get in touch with her??

[NavasInc]

:cool: Came on to bump up this thread--Anybody know what happen to Marsha Woods?? I bought a pup from her once.But this was years ago and have lost contact since.

[Virgil dogs]

If you have access to a master breeder then I would put everything else aside and listen to him. It seems odd that one would want to take the word of some strangers on the internet VS. an actual person who knows and can be watched. Also, this master breeder should have some friends involved w/ dogs and they too, should be an excellent source of knowledge.
This is good advice.I know what you mean,the more informed you are the better but this is not the kind of thing one can learn in a hurry.If your uncle has been there and you trust his opinion you have the best teacher.Its tough to get the low down on dogs,bloodlines ect as it comes down to a lot of opinions.There like assholes,everyone has one and most stink.Stick around there's a lot of knowledge flying around here.

[CooljoeGoodie]

This is good advice.I know what you mean,the more informed you are the better but this is not the kind of thing one can learn in a hurry.If your uncle has been there and you trust his opinion you have the best teacher.Its tough to get the low down on dogs,bloodlines ect as it comes down to a lot of opinions.There like assholes,everyone has one and most stink.Stick around there's a lot of knowledge flying around here.I agree,slow down save yourself some time and money....

[NavasInc]

Came on to bump up this thread--Anybody know what happen to Marsha Woods?? I bought a pup from her once.But this was years ago and have lost contact since.

[TripleJ]

i would go out on a limb here and say your uncle had the woods dogs for an out. and back in the day woods' dogs were known to throw dead game dogs. the most famous being woods' snooty ROM.
I will go out on a limb and say snooty was not a dead game dog.(I like snooty dogs though) but a dead game dog proved it by being DEAD. YIS J

[ABK]

I myself have found that the term "dead game" means different things in different parts of the country. In some areas, dead game means a dog who did just that - died game. But in other parts of the country, the phrase dead game is used to describe a dog who is very much alive, but who is game to the bone & has no quit in him.

[Iron Mike]

I will go out on a limb and say snooty was not a dead game dog.(I like snooty dogs though) but a dead game dog proved it by being DEAD. YIS J

Well that limb can be as long as you want it to be because you are correct.
Snooty curred out twice. Once against Tom's Ox reported March/April issue of SDJ page 39 or 17? Been a while since I read it.
The other was with Ch. Rascal.

People are confusing Marsha Woods dogs with Dr. Kimsey Woods dogs.
Marsha's dogs were not game bred dogs of the OFRN strain.

Snooty was not from the strain of OFRN.

It doesn't matter where you are from,
if you have been to the hunt everyone calls it the same:
Dead game is just that, Dead Game.
A dog who takes his death.

Anything else is referred to as deep game.
Falling down stubbling scratches.

BTW all dogs quit.
"Don't be surprise when they quit, be surprise when they stay."
"9 out of 10 dogs quit. They quit because of conditioning."

All dogs quit even dead game. They quit when they died...

[TripleJ]

Well that limb can be as long as you want it to be because you are correct.
Snooty curred out twice. Once against Tom's Ox reported March/April issue of SDJ page 39 or 17? Been a while since I read it.
The other was with Ch. Rascal.

People are confusing Marsha Woods dogs with Dr. Kimsey Woods dogs.
Marsha's dogs were not game bred dogs of the OFRN strain.

Snooty was not from the strain of OFRN.

It doesn't matter where you are from,
if you have been to the hunt everyone calls it the same:
Dead game is just that, Dead Game.
A dog who takes his death.

Anything else is referred to as deep game.
Falling down stubbling scratches.

BTW all dogs quit.
"Don't be surprise when they quit, be surprise when they stay."
"9 out of 10 dogs quit. They quit because of conditioning."

All dogs quit even dead game. They quit when they died...Thats about as good as it gets Im sick of people sayin that dog is dead game blablabla. When its slick and fat and runin all over the place. Dont cheapen the dead game dogs that were the truth(witch is very hard to find in all strains) I agree all dogs can quit in the right place at the right time. IS J

[frenchie1936]

well the asshole in me wants to argue, but david says yer the real deal. so i'll shut my damn mouth and listen to the old timers. :cool:



and p.s.: good job RQ!

[TripleJ]

well the asshole in me wants to argue, but david says yer the real deal. so i'll shut my damn mouth and listen to the old timers. :cool:



and p.s.: good job RQ!Everyone has the right to disagree. You can breed what you think is game and I will breed the way I see it . I have bred dead game dogs and I know that Iron mike has also. There is 2 way to do things the Right way and the other. Please everyone do it right. lets keep the bulldogs for real. YJS,J