Any One Heard Of This Bloodline

[BigPat1978]

My Nephew Is Looking To Get A Male For His Breeding Program But The One He Is Looking At Is Half Rednose And Half Hawian I Have Never Heard Of The Hawian Blood Line Before Any Information Would Be Very Grateful

[bahamutt99]

Well, you know rednose is just a color, right? As far as Hawian, never heard of it. Do they mean, as in from the island of Hawaii? Maybe someone else knows.

[ABK]

Baha is right. Rednose is just a color. However, there is a strain of bloodlines called Old Family Rednose. OFRN from what I understand comes mainly down from Hemphill & Wilder blood. Maybe this is what your friend meant?

As for Hawaiian, it could be any number of things. There are 2 BYB bloodlines, Hawaiian Rednose & Hawaiian Bluenose. Then there are actually reputable breeders who come from the island of Hawaii. I think one for example was called Hawaiian Punch Kennels & they ran Jeep dogs (I think??)

With the info you posted it will be very hard to help you. Maybe if you post a ped we can give you more help.

[undamineknls]

i'm in nc also and hawaiian red nose is a make shift lineage by some peddler trying to make a name for themselves.

[frenchie1936]

i'm in nc also and hawaiian red nose is a make shift lineage by some peddler trying to make a name for themselves.


i hate to jump the gun here, but that sounds about right. but who knows.....

[BigPat1978]

ok i got a lil bit more information for the topic the dog come from a guy by the name ROBERT O. MATTEWS the dogs sire is ROBERTS "BIG BOY TYSON" and thedam is ROBERTS"PRECIOUS FANCY". i figure maybe this can help shed some more lite on the subject because the dog that the guys wants to get from my nephew for the trade is a good dog from a long line of game blood and i hate see him get the long shaft

[Big Game]

Baha is right. Rednose is just a color. However, there is a strain of bloodlines called Old Family Rednose. OFRN from what I understand comes mainly down from Hemphill & Wilder blood. Maybe this is what your friend meant?

As for Hawaiian, it could be any number of things. There are 2 BYB bloodlines, Hawaiian Rednose & Hawaiian Bluenose. Then there are actually reputable breeders who come from the island of Hawaii. I think one for example was called Hawaiian Punch Kennels & they ran Jeep dogs (I think??)

With the info you posted it will be very hard to help you. Maybe if you post a ped we can give you more help.

Ofrn blood comes from many sources. Not just hemphill/wilder. Big Game

[ABK]

Ofrn blood comes from many sources. Not just hemphill/wilder. Big Game

I figured that. That is why I said OFRN came was MAINLY from H/W. No where did I say it was ALL from H/W. Mainly was the key word. But thanks for the advice though! ;)

[Searcy Jeff]

I wouldn't even use that word "mainly"...

[twiztidpitz]

ok i got a lil bit more information for the topic the dog come from a guy by the name ROBERT O. MATTEWS the dogs sire is ROBERTS "BIG BOY TYSON" and thedam is ROBERTS"PRECIOUS FANCY". i figure maybe this can help shed some more lite on the subject because the dog that the guys wants to get from my nephew for the trade is a good dog from a long line of game blood and i hate see him get the long shaft
In my honest opinion, I wouldn't trade a dog you know about for something you know nothing about. Ask them for a pedigree on the dog, if they can't show you one, then leave it alone! ......Hawaiian Rednose :rolleyes:...LOL!! What else will these BYB's come up with to sell pups...OMG! Kinda like the Buckskin and Tiger stripe bloodline.

[velli2008]

In my honest opinion, I wouldn't trade a dog you know about for something you know nothing about. Ask them for a pedigree on the dog, if they can't show you one, then leave it alone! ......Hawaiian Rednose :rolleyes:...LOL!! What else will these BYB's come up with to sell pups...OMG! Kinda like the Buckskin and Tiger stripe bloodline.

You forgot about "gatormouth" and "bluenose" lol. I was at a flea market a few months ago, and some fool had a white pup ther. skinny and lanky. about 4 months old. and they of course had no papers on the dog. i overheard someone ask him how the dog was bred. the idiot then proceeded to tell the person aksing, "it's chinese bred, pure gator bloodline" lol, i just couldn't help but laugh at that.

[SPF]

BigPat: If your nephew is looking into a male bred down from some rednose/hawiain stuff for his "breeding program" than it is OBVIOUS that he,nor yourself know anything about bulldogs..And people who know nothing about bulldogs should DEFINETLY not have a "breeding program"..

Im not trying to sound like a prick,but this is ridiculous..

I also find it quite ammusing to read the "advice" given out from people that are in all actuallity as green as the people they are laying their BS on..Just because you have read a book or two (strattons' I'll bet),browsed the web,and maybe went out and purchased a pretty papered dog doesnt mean that you are now in a position to "preach the gospel" so to speak..(this is not directed at any one person,but was more of a general statment)

I have refrained from answering many/most of these posts about Red nose/blue nose/gator mouth/tiger striped as in my expiriences it is always better to leave the dumb,dumb..

It is better to keep your mouth shut,and let people "think" you are dumb,than to open your mouth and "prove" it..Right??.....Right!!

[twiztidpitz]

BigPat: If your nephew is looking into a male bred down from some rednose/hawiain stuff for his "breeding program" than it is OBVIOUS that he,nor yourself know anything about bulldogs..And people who know nothing about bulldogs should DEFINETLY not have a "breeding program"..

Im not trying to sound like a prick,but this is ridiculous..

I also find it quite ammusing to read the "advice" given out from people that are in all actuallity as green as the people they are laying their BS on..Just because you have read a book or two (strattons' I'll bet),browsed the web,and maybe went out and purchased a pretty papered dog doesnt mean that you are now in a position to "preach the gospel" so to speak..(this is not directed at any one person,but was more of a general statment)

I have refrained from answering many/most of these posts about Red nose/blue nose/gator mouth/tiger striped as in my expiriences it is always better to leave the dumb,dumb..

It is better to keep your mouth shut,and let people "think" you are dumb,than to open your mouth and "prove" it..Right??.....Right!!

Very true, but if you leave the dumb -dumb, then they just pass the dumb along and thats why the world is what it is today with this breed.

[BigPat1978]

look i was just looking for advice and this is what i get, i have had bulldogs all of my life and my father had bulldogs so no i am not new to the bred and like i said i have never heard of the bloodlines of this dog thats y i asked for a lil help and all i get is a lil dumb remarks. people always say one bad apple spoils the whole barrel well there are a few in this one i will not ask for no more help and as far as my dogs go i know my blood lines probally better then some of u so. i mean no disresoect but it hurts me to know that u cant ask for help without being told u dont need dogs because u dont know alll the answers thats why this fine breed is in trouble becuase all we do is bicker and put each other down insted of trying to work together, but i will research this stuff my self insted of asking for help from now on

[Bullyson]

BP, Chill bro. You have to understand the flood of these kinds of questions that we get every f**king day. BYB bloodlines are just that. BYB. And BYB=exactly sh!t. No one is trying to put you down or make light of your practices. Truth be told, if you entertained the thought of those lines being legit, (or rednose being a bloodline in it itself) you really do have alot to learn. Thats not a bad thing man. There are people who have "owned bulldogs" for generations that dont know squat about how they're bred. Just because you dont have all the answers doesnt mean your a bad person. People come across harsh because we get tired of hearing about this. Do you think you're the 1st person to come in here asking that kind of question? NO my friend. You are not...Keep your chin up, everyone is here to help. Well, almost everyone. We do have the occasional member with a detromental case of "Trolliosis" but the mods do a good job of weeding them out. Dont bail out on us just yet. Dig around a little bit and see what you can come up with on your own. Best of luck. YIS. look i was just looking for advice and this is what i get, i have had bulldogs all of my life and my father had bulldogs so no i am not new to the bred and like i said i have never heard of the bloodlines of this dog thats y i asked for a lil help and all i get is a lil dumb remarks. people always say one bad apple spoils the whole barrel well there are a few in this one i will not ask for no more help and as far as my dogs go i know my blood lines probally better then some of u so. i mean no disresoect but it hurts me to know that u cant ask for help without being told u dont need dogs because u dont know alll the answers thats why this fine breed is in trouble becuase all we do is bicker and put each other down insted of trying to work together, but i will research this stuff my self insted of asking for help from now on

[undamineknls]

i'm in an area of nc where if see peoplr trying to selling gator mouth,rednose ,tiger stripe. the bs so tell your nephew to left the dogs where it is

[ABK]

Searcy: I used the word "mainly" b/c I am not an OFRN expert. The names I hear most often connected w/ OFRN are H/W, so I did use the word mainly in reference to them, but I know other lines are involved.

velli: I have never heard of chinese bred. Must have been some dog! Around here our BYB lines are texas rednose, hawaiian rednose, gator bluenose & tiger stripe. lol.

SPF: I don't think we should let the dumb remain dumb. If we did that, where would we be??? Feeding our dogs tabasco & burying dead dogs b/c we thought DA could be trained out. Right ...? Right ...? ;)

But some folks were lucky enough to have other folks give them a hand to lead them in the right direction, so I think it's only right that we should return the favor.

Big Pat: Bullyson is 100% dead on. You wouldn't believe how often the "regulars" here have to here the same old innocent - but ignorant - stuff. After a while it gets tiring. Now I myself believe that there is no stupid question, but after you hear the same old questions about "hawaiian" dogs or "gator mouth" dogs, sometimes patience runs out. But please overlook it, there are a lot of good folks here who can help you out.

And if it ever gets to a point where you don't want to ask a question, use the search engine on this site. As I mentioned before, many subjects most folks ask about have already been covered (sometimes many times!) so you can find a lot of good info in the archives w/o asking a thing.

[Red Cocaine]

I wouldn't even use that word "mainly"...

Just the most popular and the most peddled..... I know of about 12 diff. lines of the OFRN Strand and endless combo's of them... only a small # of witch are still working dogs....

[Claddagh_Reds]

OFRN isnt even a "bloodline" it is a strain. The bloodline would be Lightner, Corvino, Neblett, Hemphill, etc etc...

[BigPat1978]

ok i need to aplogize right now im sorry i didnt know that the mods deal with that much stuff on a regular basis i lost my kool and it wont happen again but my nephew went and done the trade anyway after i told him everything i had heard on here but olwell he has to learn on his own ty guys for all the help and for understanding i lost my kool this realy is a good site and i dont think i will be leaveing it so soon

[SPF]

BigPat: You are trying to tell me that you have been involved with the dogs since you where born,and your father had them before that,yet you dont know that REDNOSE is a color and NOT a bloodline?. C'mon bro.. I certainly am in no position to tell you what to do with your property,but running a "breeding program" with the limited knowledge that your nephew has is detremantal to the breed in my opinion..Just out of curiousity,what line(s) do you run?.

Twiztidpitz & ABK: Most of the time people are going to do what "they" feel is right regarless of how much valuble information is provided to them..When I see where someone posts that they have never owned the breed and want some genuine info that is one thing....But....When I see where people say they HAVE expirience,yet still ask the same questions I wonder if said person is lacking in the common sense area..And if you dont have any common sense than there is really nothing that I would have to say/post to that person..
I do hear what you two are saying though,as I used to try and share all the info provided to myself to others but after awhile I have come to the conclusion that I would just rather "leave the dumb,.... dumb"

[SPF]

ABK: If someone is feeding their dog hotsauce & gun powder than I would bet my bottom dollar that giving them information is NOT going to change their ways..Anyone who would subject a dog to that is a degenerate scumbag,and there isnt enough info in the dog world to change it..

Training natural instinct out of a animal is ridiculous and extremley ignorant..Putting down your apbt because he goes after other animals is on the same level as being a scumbag in my books..

[GoFuryGo]

since were on the topic, anyone heard of black beast trex bloodline? im thinking bout getting one so any opinions would be appreciated,

[ABK]

SPF: I would not think most would do what they want regardless. I have seen many a fancier get on the right track after getting a bit of good advice that was well given.

As for the tabasco & gun powder thing, good info most certainly WILL make a difference! Of course you are still going to have the thick skulled morons who will do as they please, but if you can educate just one person & avert cruelty to just one pit bull, it's worth trying.

And yes, trying to train natural instincts out of a dog is cruel & putting a dog down for said instincts is insane. However, that is where the more experinced fancier steps in & lets the lesser experinced fancier know that training DA out will NOT work & if they can't handle having a DA dog, point them to organizations that will take in & place their dog, instead of letting them try hopelessly to train the DA out & standing idly by when they kill the dog when they fail.

Finally as to persons w/ "experince" coming on here & asking newb questions, it does not mean at all they are lacking in common sense. In 99.99% of the cases I'm willing to bet the person IS a newb, but is simply fronting as an experinced fancier so they don't get made fun of.

But either way it is best to try to educate them, b/c letting ignorance reign (& thus perpetuate itself) is only serving to do a huge disservice to our breed.

JMHO ...

[BigPat1978]

ok i never said my breeding program i said my nephews so spf u already have one fact wrong i dont bred bulldogs i have been around them but what i breed and when i breed is none of ur buiseness and as far as what bloood line i have. well they dont have papers but i know what they and what they will do when needed so its no problems and no im not talking about in the pit i mean as far as home gaurding well thank you to everyone that had helpful post and to the ones that always have something to say thats no help hope to see you on the other side

[SPF]

ABK: I hear what you are saying,and I respect your opinion but I still stand by the statment I made earlier..

It wasnt all that long ago when I was asking "newbie questions",but I can assure you that I wasnt asking about Rednose/Bluenose/Razorback BS..If someone has a genuine interest in bulldogs they read/study EVERYTHING they possible can about the dogs BEFORE they make themselves look foolish by asking such ridiculous questions..I personally have no interest in trying to lend a hand to people that are not SERIOUS students(such as myself) of the breed..

bigPAT: Im sorry if you took offence to what I said..No hard feelings bro..I was simply trying to engage in a little conversation about the lineage of the dogs you have..Rednose maybe?? And yes you are correct it isnt any of my business what you have or do with your dogs..Im glad that your happy with them..

[ABK]

I hear you SPF & I respect your right to stand by your opinion.

I guess I can empathize b/c I remember being in their situation. Granted when I got interested in the breed, I ordered mags & read books, but I still asked stupid questions & did stupid things.

A lot of folks laughed at me & said mean things to me, which turned me sour on asking for help. So I ended up learning a lot of lessons the hard way, many of which would have been avoided if only someone had been kind enough to answer my questions in a knowledgeable & helpful manner instead of ragging me out.

So I feel for folks who ask "stupid" questions. I know what it's like when you're new to the breed & ask innocent questions to only get get jeered at & endure snide remarks. I try to avoid doing to them what was done to me & help them out if I can.

[PBlove]

velli: I have never heard of chinese bred. Must have been some dog! Around here our BYB lines are texas rednose, hawaiian rednose, gator bluenose & tiger stripe. lol.
just a tidbit
It is usually a dog with 'Chinaman' in their pedigree.They think it means they are Chinese dogs.:rolleyes:

[BigPat1978]

the one i have now is a two year old female she is reportedly half carver and half red boy she is as good of a dog as i have ever seen and no i dont have a ped i dont see what good papers are. i dont breed dogs and i dont sell them so papers r no good to me. papers dont make the dog,a dog is what makes the paper.;) so anyway thanks for all the good and the ruff advice it is all understood