Dockery & Mason Hog

[Jmonroe]

I was looking through the paper the other day and I ran across and add for some pups with bloodlines I have never heard of. Can anybody shed some light on these for me.

Dockery, Mason Hog

[Iron Mike]

I was looking through the paper the other day and I ran across and add for some pups with bloodlines I have never heard of. Can anybody shed some light on these for me.

Dockery, Mason Hog

LOL you're joking right?
You're not serious about not knowing who both of these well known dogmen and Ch. Hog is?

What's the old saying?
Open your mouth and remove all doubt....

Next you will ask who was the breeder of Kingfish and did all the breeding off School Boy's Big Red. :)

[Jmonroe]

NO I was not joking. Sorry I have never been in to the whole famous bloodlines. I love the dogs and that was always good enough for me. They did not have to be some highly sought after name.

[bahamutt99]

The OP is brand new to the forum. Perhaps a little decency is in order, and we shouldn't go assuming who knows what, and what they should know. That said, Jmonroe, you might want to try a forum search and see what it turns up.

[grove]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=1191

very, very game dog.

[masta of game]

that is one pretty pedigree

ONLY STRAIGHT TRIPLE BRED TRAVIS OFF SPRING THERE IS PROVEN HIS WORTH IN INCREDIBLE FASHION

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=173191

[Iron Mike]

The OP is brand new to the forum. Perhaps a little decency is in order, and we shouldn't go assuming who knows what, and what they should know. That said, Jmonroe, you might want to try a forum search and see what it turns up.

Then why bother to join a board if you are not going to read it?
All OP had to do is read 2 pages on this board and would have idea of who they are:

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27255

As for who knows what, try reading a book.
Hell even Stratton writes about Clyde.

BTW, you think a breed owner would at least know these well known dogmen from their own state and the state next to them.
Does Marty need to start giving competency test for new members?
Maybe this board wouldn't appear in news reports if people knew a little more about the breed and who help create it!

Decent? I haven't been indecent yet but you will know when I have.......

[Iron Mike]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=1191

very, very game dog.

Very true.
That is a poor picture of Ch. Hog.
He had crop ears and was much darker black brindle then that picture shows. Scared up bad.
When we had a house in Henderson Ky. I would go over to Clyde's and I saw Hog and his father Rebel there.

[ABK]

Actually, I don't wish to be rude here, but your comments to the OP were a bit harsh IM. Maybe you weren't meaning to come off as such, but you did. But hey, there was a time when we all had to learn the basics & I'm not going to bust anyone's chops who comes here with an open mind, respectful attitude & who is willing to learn. As the old saying goes, the only stupid question is the one that goes unasked! ;)

And since you knew these fellows, please let us know what they were like. I must admit, that while I knew the name CH. Hog, I have never heard of the name Dockery. Could you please share?

[bahamutt99]

Decent? I haven't been indecent yet but you will know when I have.......

Laughing in a new member's face for asking a question is not decent nor polite. He may have been able to answer the question on his own, but the point is that your original response did nothing to aid his search, and was offered simply to goad him. Unnecessary.

[Marty]

Maybe this board wouldn't appear in news reports if people knew a little more about the breed and who help create it!Maybe if people didn't give out to much information on things that didn't need to be on a public board we would'nt be in the news, food for thought :rolleyes:

[Jmonroe]

Thanks everyone. I mean I did not mean to start trouble, I just figured a forum was the best place to find the answers to my question.

[Iron Mike]

Actually, I don't wish to be rude here, but your comments to the OP were a bit harsh IM. Maybe you weren't meaning to come off as such, but you did. But hey, there was a time when we all had to learn the basics & I'm not going to bust anyone's chops who comes here with an open mind, respectful attitude & who is willing to learn. As the old saying goes, the only stupid question is the one that goes unasked! ;)

And since you knew these fellows, please let us know what they were like. I must admit, that while I knew the name CH. Hog, I have never heard of the name Dockery. Could you please share?

Harsh, okay if you think so but I'll bet the person never forgets who they are now! lol.
Harsh? Pretty thin skin to own the tuffist dog alive don't you think?
As you know, I know who you are too. I visited your board many times, do you think I would just up give out information as Marty referred too about you?

As for Dockery the person is still alive but if you would read my post again, I told you who the person was indirectly but everyone sooooo worried about how I responded they missed the meaning...

No I will not give out information of a person who is still involved with the dogs.
I will not dry snitch by giving out public information about people. Newbies need to be quit being so lazy and start doing research on their own and not in public forums.

The late Clyde Mason is a different story and if you think I can be harsh, you never wanted to meet him and ask questions about people who lived near you...

[Iron Mike]

Laughing in a new member's face for asking a question is not decent nor polite. He may have been able to answer the question on his own, but the point is that your original response did nothing to aid his search, and was offered simply to goad him. Unnecessary.

Laughing is making light of a question but since I wasn't in their face then that is your interpretationn of my post.

I thought the person was asking about people not a class on etiquette.
I sure to hell don't need one from a 28 year old person who themselves I see didn't answer the question but instead chose to challenge my posts. So what did you do to aid the OP? You are like the pot calling the kettle black.
You are to worried about how I respond then to aid the OP, you are to busy trying to "goad" me..
I did aid the OP but everyone missed the content of the post.

[bahamutt99]

I sure to hell don't need one from a 28 year old person who themselves I see didn't answer the question but instead chose to challenge my posts. So what did you do to aid the OP? You are like the pot calling the kettle black.

Oh, I see. "Sit down and shut up, child," eh? How very telling. :rolleyes: Age doesn't corner the market on wisdom, and clearly doesn't teach you how to relate to others, particularly those who are evidently breed newbies. My method of assistance to the OP was suggesting that he search the forum, which would've generated some of the information they were looking for. You could've said the same thing and kept the attitude to yourself. You aided the OP in offhandedly calling him a fool? I think not.

[ABK]

My my, how an innocent post can go bad.

I understand your concern IM, but you could have simply told the OP to do a search like Baha did, or told him to Google it or even suggest a book. You didn't have to give out any info yourself if you didn't want to & my word, you certainly didn't have to be rude to the fellow.

JMHO ...

[Iron Mike]

My my, how an innocent post can go bad.

I understand your concern IM, but you could have simply told the OP to do a search like Baha did, or told him to Google it or even suggest a book. You didn't have to give out any info yourself if you didn't want to & my word, you certainly didn't have to be rude to the fellow.

JMHO ...

D, you forget yourself, your counsel and advise was never asked for.
This isn't your board and it isn't your place to give suggestions on how to respond to people.

Yes, I could have responded with a lame answer as that but I also know who they are and told OP in a way OP had to use their brain and think it out.

BTW, I've read your board since it first started and you were still wet behind the ears.
You are one of the last people who should talk about manners and being rude........

[ABK]

Ah yes, dear sir, but this isn't your board either. Last time I looked, it was Marty's.

As for council & advice, yours was not asked for either. No one said "Hey, Iron Mike, who are so-&-so?" The question was an open question available for anyone to answer or not answer. As such you were not required in any shape, form or fashion to respond either. If you were so concerned about info getting out or giving a lame answer, you could have just remained silent. But you didn't. You chose to belittle the man.

As for you reading my board, that is wonderful you've read my board. Perhaps you have then had a chance to observe both my growth in the dogs & as a person. Have I said mean things to folks? Sure. However, I don't think I ever belittled an innocent poster or ever said anything mean to anyone w/o them being mean to me first. But if I did, I apologize.

As for my manners, I do not think anyone could accuse me of having bad manners. My manners are almost impeccable, even if I post in disagreement or dare I say back in my early days when if I was saying something mean. There is a way to disagree & not be bad-mannered about it. Furthermore I find it quite ironic indeed than a man who is behaving so abrasively right now to innocent posters could even question anyone else's manners. lol.

That being said, what I may have done as a newb is absolutely no excuse for you (or anyone else for that matter) to do it. Like the old saying goes "if your friend jumps off a bridge, would you do it?" or better yet to borrow from my mother "two wrongs don't make a right!"

Long point short, no matter how you want to twist it or turn it, there was no excuse for your being rude to the man. Perhaps roughness is just your nature & you meant no harm by it. I don't know. But whether you want to admit it or not, you did come off harsh & it was uncalled for.

Again, JMHO ...

[Pipbull]

Just to play advocate for a minute, he did answer the question in the first post. Written word is near impossible to get tone from, so interpretting it in 50 different ways doesn't help anyone, OP included.

Just me, but I like the tough approach best. It's got the whole "deviner's fire" way of helping people learn. Can't ever say one method of teaching is better than another. There's too many variables at work.

[jeeperino]

Man, you all better be thankful for any drop of info from IM. He has knowledge beyond your wildest dreams and can school 99.9% of people on this board, hell the whole internet.

[coolhandjean]

I am still just learning about the breed, the famous Dogmen, and the famous dogs. I don't think someone who is here to learn should be put down, just because they aren't "experts". I'd rather have someone on this forum who can admit they don't know it all, then pretend they know everything about the breed and don't open their mind.

[jman11]

Man, you all better be thankful for any drop of info from IM. He has knowledge beyond your wildest dreams and can school 99.9% of people on this board, hell the whole internet.

THE TRUTH

this is why i get so ticked when these cyber doggers like bajamutt and coolhandjean and miakoda shouting out there weight pull BS.......NO ONE ASKED YOU... and you are just showing all your ignorance by not shutting up and being defiant when you have a TRUE DOG MAN speaking.....

keep it up and this will be a pet bull board soon enough.....

no respect for the old timers....

how many of you have pictures of yourself, your family and your dogs in stratton books?

[coolhandjean]

THE TRUTH

this is why i get so ticked when these cyber doggers like bajamutt and coolhandjean and miakoda shouting out there weight pull BS.......NO ONE ASKED YOU... and you are just showing all your ignorance by not shutting up and being defiant when you have a TRUE DOG MAN speaking.....

keep it up and this will be a pet bull board soon enough.....

no respect for the old timers....

how many of you have pictures of yourself, your family and your dogs in stratton books?

First off, I don't believe I disrespected anyone.
Two, I don't weight pull my dogs, and have said many times that I don't even known a Gamebred dog. I have also many times stated that I am a student of the breed. Never claimed to know more than anyone about this breed.
Three, this is a forum for learning. At least, that is what I believe it is a site about. So, if someone doesn't know everything and they ask because they want to learn, then why should they be shot down? I'd understand being mad if someone came on here saying, "Well, I never heard of so-and-so, so he must breed cur dogs," then I'd understand the person being shot down.
Finally, I have tons of respect for the Old Timers. Also, I am not a "internet dogger" nor am I a Dogwoman, nor do I claim to be one, just so we are clear. I didn't attack any Old Timers or Dogmen in my post nor have I ever attacked or showed disrespect toward one, at least not to my knowledge.

[jeeperino]

Plenty of experts who havent even rolled a dog, know everything. Never owned a dog that even had a tooth in em, but they are experts on EVERY aspect of the APBT including the lines that are known for "mouth" and "gameness" but havent ever tested for either.

[ABK]

pipbull: I'm not sure, but I don't think anyone said he didn't answer the question. It was just the manner in which the OP was addressed was the issue.

As for the "deviner's fire" I myself don't like to go that route. We're here to help folks learn & if someone came at me w/ an attitude I'd either tune them out or find a new place to learn. That in no way benefits anyone b/c firstly, the newb might be tuning out a great source & secondly, if they go to another place to learn, they might learn all the wrong things.

jeeperino: Yes, I agree IM is a true dogman & yes, I agree we should absorb any drop of info he gives us. You are totally right on that. But no degree of knowledge or experince gives one the license to be rude.

JMHO ...

[frenchie1936]

iffin ya don't like someone, don't read their posts or reply to em. and yet again, a good amount of this bullshit could've been taken to PM's. :confused: