patterdale terrier

[jones]

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from david masons site a breeder of patterdale terriers it seems these dogs are becoming popular in the apbt community and breeders are mixing these dogs. very strange i would say these dogs having issues with apbt blood.

[coolhandjean]

when I get my Patterdale, I plan on getting it from Mason or Linruff kennels...
I read that the Patterdale people prefer people not to mix anymore APBT into the breed. Because the Bull Terrier blood was added for bravery, but made a not so "smart" hunter. It would grab on and just hold instead of get a new hold.

[Tonka03]

or Linruff kennels...


CHJ I like what i see with there lines. Dont know much per say the lineage but the pics of the hunts and what he does with them is awesome. i like i like i like!!!



tony

[ultimatek9]

Our little girl is out of Lost Lake Farm, and is incredible. Great conformation, smart, quick learner, athletic, and cocky as hell. I am very happy with her.

[jbh38]

There has been pitter-pats for a long time now. That's why ADBA changed the rules on weight pull for small dogs too, no dog under 30 lbs. I would never mix, wouldn't think of it, but they are out there.

I got my Patterdale from Alan Scott, he doesn't breed much, but I love the drive and everything about Tammy Faye. I have another one, Blake, he is broke hair and just a pet, still a pain in the butt.

Here is my little Tammy Faye, 19 lbs, pulled 1767 lbs.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/jbh38/2008_0319puppiesmischa0031.jpg

Here's Blake, he's got his beer goggles on...lol

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/jbh38/blake1002.jpg

[apbtluver]

JBH - I love the weightpull photos. We have two patterdales with our third one on the way. Two of which came from Anglo-American Patterdales and my older female was from a hunter in GA and is of older Nuttall's blood.

[masta of game]

getting one this year from there http://hurricanekennels.com/patterdale.html





does anyone have the link for that nuttal'


ABOUT HURRICANE KENNELS
<tt><tt>How many Terriers is breed today who is only from proven workers? We here at Hurricane think that the Patterdale is the best earth dog in the World. Its a rare breed of dog but only performance have set this line of dogs. Our strain of Patterdales is based on the Nuttall strain and we have get all our Nuttall breed dogs directly from Nuttalls yard. We even have one of His broodbiches here. We keep both smooth and broken coated dogs. Not any of our dogs carry one drip of Show ring blood and we never have/will show any of our dogs. We think they look good but we bred em only for confrontation. 99% of the work we do is badger/fox. And we never breed a cold or cur male/bitch. All stock we use in breeding have proof themself in the earth NOT once but time after time that they are the real deal. If you are serious about earth-hunting get in contact with us.</tt></tt>



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[surfercalavera]

http://rayfox6.tripod.com/index.html, take a look!!

[TripleJ]

http://rayfox6.tripod.com/index.html, take a look!!
Do you knowe this guy (I am for real wanting a good short hair one that is good game stock) PM me let me know!....

[rhumble]

talked with him by email a few times sometime ago, to me he is a good person

[JuckingFerk]

A friend of mine has a couple off this kennel. http://dogwebs.net/patterdale/

He says they are working out just fine.

Ferk out

[chinasmom]

I know someone in NC who got two dogs from this man. He is very pleased with them and has decided to breed them with his bloodlines. I have looked at his page a few times and he seems to be very down to earth, no Bu$$Sh$t kind of guy.

http://www.masonpatterdales.00go.com/

Here is a little bit on the origin of the Nuttall Bred dog:

http://books.google.com/books?id=sC4DNI6LYUcC&pg=PA247&lpg=PA247&dq=Breay+and+Buck+Blood+terriers&source=web&ots=cAWqWoul3h&sig=0KunGYVa0kKzCL4Sad8bG19k9mU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA246,M1

[surfercalavera]

Do you knowe this guy (I am for real wanting a good short hair one that is good game stock) PM me let me know!....
Sorry my friend, i found it by sheer chance

[chinasmom]

getting one this year from there http://hurricanekennels.com/patterdale.html

Aren't they in Sweden? Not trying to change your mind, but their are some really good stock right here in the old USA. Thinking about the shipping charge.

[undamineknls]

opinion on cross breeding a patterdale to a jack russell?

[ABK]

OK, not to get OT here but the ADBA is worried about mixed breeding so now they won't let a dog under 30 lbs pull??? What about the bandogges they got pulling?? Aren't they mixed? They should be fair & add a upper weight limit too if they're going to add a lower weight limit. How about no dogs under 30 lbs & no dogs over 80 lbs? What's good for the goose is good for the gander ... right? :mad:

[chinasmom]

opinion on cross breeding a patterdale to a jack russell?


Why????You want to start your own breeding program? If that's the case, what are you hoping to achieve by this cross? What is it you are looking for? The Pat and the Jack are both used for the same thing. How will a cross improve either breed?

[Cajunrules]

opinion on cross breeding a patterdale to a jack russell?


A lot of the digging lads this side of the water cross their terriers all kind of ways Patts, Lakies, JRT and Fells; is it going to be dug to?

[zarna]

if any one has Brian Nuttalls email address or phone number could you please pm it to me :)

[masta of game]

i will pm u zarna....

[zarna]

thanks mate

[undamineknls]

i want to develope the best of both dogs in one. and finding a place in nc where i can used the dogs to be hole dogs. so i'm looking into the hunting thing. thanks

[masta of game]

u might want to breed the da out than, or u might lose some good ones

[masta of game]

anyone used a jagd terrier

awesome dogs with good nose too

[Clint73]

mason,linruff kennels are junk they breed for $$$$ not hunt i had 3 mason bred patterdales for years i ownly do earth work with my dogs they do not see game above ground.mason bred dogs i found are not hard dogs i seen to many mason dogs shy,and seen them get bite by coons and other game and quit!!!than i started using booth and gould blood patterdales night and day very hard ,good hunt, and locaters and will take a beating and never quit!Anglo-American,lost lady lake and a few other are junk too they don't even hunt them they show them and do wieght pulling and sell thier dogs for high $$$ these people will ruin the breed they breed
the hunt and desire out of these great little true working terrier.as for HURRICANE KENNELS these dog are bigger than the dogs here in the US dogs because they use them on the euro badger you need a dog here in the US about 14lbs and have a hand spannable chest .most of my patts are from a guy in Ohio thats been digging Booth/Gould and some old nuttall blood patterdales from 25 years and some that we imported from Ireland some of the blood comes from Ireland.i ownly keep hunters in my yard i'm not going to waste time training and feeding useless junk .do your homwork before you get a patterdale i found if you have a website your in it for the $$$$$ i never paid more than a couple hundred bucks for a patterdale some that hunts there dogs and is willing to take you along to see there dog work will not charge you a arm and a leg!and no there is no bull blood still being put in these dogs they used bull blood years and years ago to help the dog with bite power and gameness but also made for a dumb dog lacking sence in the ground and would take a beating from a fox or badger.take it how you want but i been around the block with every bloodline with these dogs i know what works and don't!!!!!!!!

[ANCHOR]

i heard alot of good things about Fox' dogs some years back now. id take a closer look at what he's got. not taking away from anyone else's stock......
Zarna, Masta of Game, check em out, give em a call;)

[prpitdawg]

i've been wanting to get a patterdale. not a pitter pat, the real deal. unfortunately the only people that have one in my area don't breed. anyone know of anyone who has some good ones in the tn area?

[rallyracer]

we saw a couple nice ones the other day in SC, but they came from VA and FL. wee little doggies:D

[Bobby Rooster]

If you look at the pedigrees of the top hunters MOST will have mason on their pedigree. I know mason personally and he keeps HIS dogs honest.. Whodis aswell as Whodat are a hell of producers..

PR mason is right up the road from me in historic Wartrace, TN

[Clint73]

Whodis aswell as Whodat are a hell of producers.
thats all they are producers of junk Mason stop breeding worker for money.i know too many guys who hunt these dogs and stoped using mason dog for booth dogs because there still being bred for working stock as well as gould dogs.and as for the top hunters pedigrees who are they.matbe a handful are mason blood 4,5,6 gens back.Rob Booth is still breeding workers and importing them here i have one.the point is that david mason stop breeding for the dog and is breeding for money.i would never pay $800 to $1000 for a pup that you don't even know if it will go to ground or hunt .

[Bobby Rooster]

Its a well known fact that booth dogs 1/4 staff blood... But to each his own,,,,

[Clint73]

get your facts right not all booth dogs have bull blood bred in them.all patterdales have different breeds bred in to them for different reasons brain nuttall ,ken gould used bull terriers.lakeland,bellington,borders,and a few others in there breedings.booth got all his dogs from nuttall and he bred for a harder stay put dog. i know rob booth i've talked to him over the phone and hunted with him when he came over from france.we talked for hours about the breed.i also talked to mason about dogs and all he wanted to do is sell dogs for crazy prices, booth gave me a grown dog that was a great hunter and locator.all i did was paid the airfare. as for Booth dog having staffy in them if that was true how would all the people with pure booth dogs are able to use them in the ground they wouldn't fit? staffys are 25/30 lbs with huge chests they wouldn't work here in ground hog hole i seen more mason dogs 16 to 20 lbs big chested dogs than booth dogs all the Booth and gould dogs we hunt are from 11 to 15 lbs with small spannable chests with high drive .we have one dog thats has some mason arnie blood in him with old nuttall blood with a splash of gould he is a good dog good locater and super hard.also masons dog arnie half border terrier and others with some lakeland too in some dogs!

[BostonBully]

get your facts right not all booth dogs have bull blood bred in them.all patterdales have different breeds bred in to them for different reasons brain nuttall ,ken gould used bull terriers.lakeland,bellington,borders,and a few others in there breedings.booth got all his dogs from nuttall and he bred for a harder stay put dog. i know rob booth i've talked to him over the phone and hunted with him when he came over from france.we talked for hours about the breed.i also talked to mason about dogs and all he wanted to do is sell dogs for crazy prices, booth gave me a grown dog that was a great hunter and locator.all i did was paid the airfare. as for Booth dog having staffy in them if that was true how would all the people with pure booth dogs are able to use them in the ground they wouldn't fit? staffys are 25/30 lbs with huge chests they wouldn't work here in ground hog hole i seen more mason dogs 16 to 20 lbs big chested dogs than booth dogs all the Booth and gould dogs we hunt are from 11 to 15 lbs with small spannable chests with high drive .we have one dog thats has some mason arnie blood in him with old nuttall blood with a splash of gould he is a good dog good locater and super hard.also masons dog arnie half border terrier and others with some lakeland too in some dogs!


Hey Clint shoot me a PM I can't seem to send you one. I would like to get some info on the guy you get your dogs from.

[zacdaddy77]

I'm interested in getting a good (Small) working terrier dog.I'm not interested in Pure this or that, bloodline or breedings.Just a small Terrier from good working stock.Something that can work Racoon,Groundhog,Fox....ect.I DON'T want a fancy expensive dog.... I have plenty of land,room and time to care of the dog and know how to care for a dog well.I don't know anyone who hunts with these type of dogs and I'd like to get into hunting them.I travell from Tn,NC and KY often so anyone in that area would be great.But would also be willing to travell for a good dog.If you could help me out let me know.


,Zac

[zacdaddy77]

Really? No help...... :confused: Come on now. 50 acre farm and plenty to hunt... I have a good place to raise a good dog... just don't know where to get a good one.Want a "spanable" hard, no letting up terrier to work Groundhog, coon, fox and whatever else we can find in the ground.... somebody help me out.... :eek:

,Zac

[W&SKennels]

If I bought one it would be from one of these kennels. Mr. Fox seems like a good guy.

http://rayfox6.tripod.com/

http://dogwebs.net/patterdale/

[chinasmom]

we saw a couple nice ones the other day in SC, but they came from VA and FL. wee little doggies:D

Wow RR. You were in my backyard....

[Hells Bells]

Do they make a good house pet? Lots of people say APBT's don't... but Helena does fine in the house, of course it's all she knows. Maybe shes adapted or maybe she's just a lazy dog. hah She enjoys getting out and about though of course, generally pretty calm inside she gets her moments of running around in the house and alerting me that people are near the window or door lol

[gh32]

I've never heard of one being a house dog,but I suppose anything is possible.I know it isn't the same as a Patterdale but I have a little rat terrier/feist mix that's wound a little tight and hyper all the time.I tried him as a house dog,done ok until I came home and he had eaten a hole completely through the mattress on my bed.He went back outside.I've always wanted a Patterdale though.If I ever have the extra cash I may give GH a call and get one.

[Clint73]

Really? No help...... :confused: Come on now. 50 acre farm and plenty to hunt... I have a good place to raise a good dog... just don't know where to get a good one.Want a "spanable" hard, no letting up terrier to work Groundhog, coon, fox and whatever else we can find in the ground.... somebody help me out.... :eek:

,Zac
soon as we have a litter hit the ground i'll let you know.sorry for not getting back to you been busy.

[prpitdawg]

If you look at the pedigrees of the top hunters MOST will have mason on their pedigree. I know mason personally and he keeps HIS dogs honest.. Whodis aswell as Whodat are a hell of producers..

PR mason is right up the road from me in historic Wartrace, TN
do you know if he'll have anything available in the near future? some friends of ours who used to have bulldogs have an awesome lil patterdale but they don't breed her, she's too old for that now anyway. my point is they have the best of any breed of dogs they get and i was thoroughly impressed with the dog. my other half talked to mr.fox, and he won't have anything til like the summer. if i have to wait i will. i'd rather not make that long drive if there's something of good quality closer. i don't know much of anything about patterdale bloodlines, so i trust my friends' judgement on that. i'll run anything i find by them. thanks in advance for any help.
ps: where's wartrace? i'm not too familiar with middle, tn.

[Random guy]

Do they make a good house pet? Lots of people say APBT's don't... but Helena does fine in the house, of course it's all she knows. Maybe shes adapted or maybe she's just a lazy dog. hah She enjoys getting out and about though of course, generally pretty calm inside she gets her moments of running around in the house and alerting me that people are near the window or door lol

As long as you exercise them or give them a chance to run now and then they are fine indoors.Extremely high prey drive though so I don't recommend taking it outside unless you have a fenced area.If it runs away it'll go after it.Every,cat,squirrell,chicken,rabbits won't be alive long lol.

My buddy got one a while back,let it outside at a friends house who neglected to tell him he had chickens and cats.A little while later he went to let him in...
Chicken feathers everywhere a dead cat beside the porch and the dog was walking around with another cat in his mouth.

[QWERT]

You want a well bred working Patt From Quality lines, Gould lines, Nuttal, Them black hole patts, If your in or near Texas then i would reccommend Mr G Hammonds of Catch Dog Enterprises. He has a top selection of patts, I'd be looking in the direction of something off of Nuttley, Or a son of Trashman.. Cheers, QWERT

[hammatoed]

so far i have not read 1 post that recommend 1 decent place to get patts from.

hammonds..please ..thats about as good as Fox's..these guys do little to know work with there dogs..! hammonds patts look like rat terriers
HANDS DOWN THE BEST PATTERDALES IVE SEEN WORK AND I MEEN WORK COME FROM A VERY VERY GOOD DOGMAN> RONNY CLOOT! some of his dogs have seen a few hundred badgers,coons you name it.. not 3-4 coons a season more like a few hundred vermin.

[QWERT]

LMAO - Ok then .. Rat terriers.. LMAO

No work at all hey.. lmao.. Ronny Cloot has good dogs as does alot of folks.. But hey, you are an EXPERT and only ONE man has good dogs..

LMAO

[hammatoed]

Do I Studder..!!?!!!!?!
http://www.catchdogenterprises.com/patterdales.html (http://www.catchdogenterprises.com/patterdales.html)
nippy > pure patterBull
little bigdog > rat terrier mix
more troubles > patterdale terrier

your going to tell me these dogs are full on hunters>? ive been to the yard and spoke with the man himself dozens of times..as well as mason,cloot,barnburner boys,mccoy,linruff,schwab and a few dozen dogmen in the midwest..and beleave me the good ones(patterdales) are not on hammonds yard! the man is a darn good dogman when it come to apbt ill tell you that.

[ultimatek9]

Really? No help...... :confused: Come on now. 50 acre farm and plenty to hunt... I have a good place to raise a good dog... just don't know where to get a good one.Want a "spanable" hard, no letting up terrier to work Groundhog, coon, fox and whatever else we can find in the ground.... somebody help me out.... :eek:

,Zac


I PM'd you a while ago with an offer, and never got a response. Let me know if you are interested.

[masta of game]

JAGD TERRIER

does anyone have experience with these dogs. are they the same as a patt

[QWERT]

Do I Studder..!!?!!!!?!
http://www.catchdogenterprises.com/patterdales.html (http://www.catchdogenterprises.com/patterdales.html)
nippy > pure patterBull
little bigdog > rat terrier mix
more troubles > patterdale terrier

your going to tell me these dogs are full on hunters>? ive been to the yard and spoke with the man himself dozens of times..as well as mason,cloot,barnburner boys,mccoy,linruff,schwab and a few dozen dogmen in the midwest..and beleave me the good ones(patterdales) are not on hammonds yard! the man is a darn good dogman when it come to apbt ill tell you that.

So you been down on the yard hey.. and you come up with LBD! Cmon man, if you been to the yard, you know all about the nuttley dog, trashman, etc etc.. now if your gonna come back at me that these dogs never been down the hole, never been in a tight spot.. then you dont know squat..

Do i S, S, STUTTER...

[TheBodyGuard]

so far i have not read 1 post that recommend 1 decent place to get patts from.

hammonds..please ..thats about as good as Fox's..these guys do little to know work with there dogs..! hammonds patts look like rat terriers
HANDS DOWN THE BEST PATTERDALES IVE SEEN WORK AND I MEEN WORK COME FROM A VERY VERY GOOD DOGMAN> RONNY CLOOT! some of his dogs have seen a few hundred badgers,coons you name it.. not 3-4 coons a season more like a few hundred vermin.

While I agree with you in general (with the exception of Gary because I don't know his dogs), why don't you mention the difficulty of importing a dog from Mr. Cloot? Because I've made the contact in the past. No doubt he has great dogs, but discuss his price and then the hurdles of importation.

[hammatoed]

yes his dogs may have been down holes..but are they tested and worked hard..just cause i dog has seen a little work dont make him a worker..just cause you dug to a dog dont meen your a dogmen or a hunting dogmen.
R.cloot >>yes it will cost you a bundle to get the dog from cloots to the USA..but..id rather spend some more money to get one of his dogs then spend 7-8-900 on some untested pretty dogs with a pretty ped that has seen show rings more then they seen vermin holes which is what you will find most of here in the US. im done here you stick to your sorce ill stick to mine. RC got some darn nice ones here in the states;)

[TheBodyGuard]

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R.cloot >>yes it will cost you a bundle to get the dog from cloots to the USA..but..id rather spend some more money to get one of his dogs then spend 7-8-900 on some untested pretty dogs with a pretty ped that has seen show rings more then they seen vermin holes which is what you will find most of here in the US. im done here you stick to your sorce ill stick to mine. RC got some darn nice ones here in the states;)

I must disagree again...in one breath, you talk of being a real hunter or dogman, yet you promote this idea of spending a decent sum to first buy, and then import a puppy or prospect. I'm sorry, but that makes no financial sense relative to a working dog. I'm not spending that much money on "promise". Now, if we're talking about importing a proven brood bitch, stud, or even hunter the economics work out. You're right about the prices from some over here though.

[Nova]

You're right about the prices from some over here though.


Give it some time they will keep going up and up. People kill me with the jacking up of the breeds.

[hammatoed]

I must disagree again...in one breath, you talk of being a real hunter or dogman, yet you promote this idea of spending a decent sum to first buy, and then import a puppy or prospect. I'm sorry, but that makes no financial sense relative to a working dog. I'm not spending that much money on "promise". Now, if we're talking about importing a proven brood bitch, stud, or even hunter the economics work out. You're right about the prices from some over here though.
nothing beats taking a trip to Cloots & him coming out and digging tons of holes with his proven dogs and then he hands over a pup of your choice just for coming on out,talking dog and doing alittle hunting.
like i said id rather spend alittle more to get a better bred pup out of PRoven hunters than getting a pup here in the states for 600 with not a nick on the sire/dam..!! anyday of the week
..to each his own

[TheBodyGuard]

Listen, we don't disagree in spirit, but I'm not paying any premium for a working puppy and I don't care who it comes from. If a man charges a premium for a pup without a guarantee it will work or replace, he's a peddler. I would never pay a premium for a puppy. That's all. I know the man has fine dogs. I wish I could get one...a PROVEN one.

[QWERT]

nothing beats taking a trip to Cloots & him coming out and digging tons of holes with his proven dogs and then he hands over a pup of your choice just for coming on out,talking dog and doing alittle hunting.
like i said id rather spend alittle more to get a better bred pup out of PRoven hunters than getting a pup here in the states for 600 with not a nick on the sire/dam..!! anyday of the week
..to each his own

LOL - Nothing beats it hey, just as easy as that, jump on a plane. fly half way around the world to Belgium to see a man with dogs bred down from Brian Nuttal, Using Nuttal blood strong to this day,( And keeps nearly ALL quality looking prospects, certainly no "Pup on hand, choose the one you like" type of man.. ) And then just jump on the plane with your lil puppy and fly home.. sounds easy as pie and cheap as hell!

You sure you know Mr Cloot and Mr Hammonds? lol

http://users.skynet.be/cloot.patterdale/

Here is Mr Cloots Website for those interested.

Cheers, QWERT

[Robert223]

Hi guys!

So whats your thoughts on schwab's patterdales?

I'll head over there next week to take a look at his yard...im just interested in patterdales, never saw one live before!
I know that there is a pure Nuttal blood breeding planned...any thoughts on that?

My favorite dog of his kennel(just going by looks as i never saw him live up to now) is Nerone which is now in Italy with Bramati!;)

[willypete]

i know hammonds dogs hunt well for a fact .... so keep talking stupid shit if you want to ...... with pattys its the same as bulldogs we dont all like the same line of dogs for different reasons . as far as mixing jacks and pattys if i makes what you want then go for it there are still a ton of good working jacks out there ... willypete

[Clint73]

never seen a good hammond dog all the ones i seen are are in the bone pile. a true text is in the ground any dog will fight above ground,if they don't stay in the ground on game till dug to they don't come home.i like a dog locked up face to face with a coon or ground hog and never backdown .

[jbh38]

JAGD TERRIER

does anyone have experience with these dogs. are they the same as a patt


no, I have both and no, a patterdale and a jagd are not the same, two totally different dogs personality, drive, everything.

[hammatoed]

schwabs got some decent stuff as well..very honest down to earth guy..give him a call or stop on by & he will be down for chit chat about life,family,dogs etc >good oldschool type of guy;)

schwab got his hands on "JET" a few years back..that dog is a bad mofo!
you want some real nice patterdale get 1 out of the Jet X Wilma breeding..old school nuttal.

[CaesarIsis]

schwabs got some decent stuff as well..very honest down to earth guy..give him a call or stop on by & he will be down for chit chat about life,family,dogs etc >good oldschool type of guy;)

schwab got his hands on "JET" a few years back..that dog is a bad mofo!
you want some real nice patterdale get 1 out of the Jet X Wilma breeding..old school nuttal.

They look like some good dogs...what happened to Jet's face though? I see he works alot so i'm guessin it has somthin to do with when he was workin...?

[hammatoed]

They look like some good dogs...what happened to Jet's face though? I see he works alot so i'm guessin it has somthin to do with when he was workin...?
those would be working scars..this dog has seen hundreds of vermin in his day. :eek:

[hammatoed]

black hole nut & Hod from hammonds yard..pics are old thought id throw them up here

[ABK]

There has been pitter-pats for a long time now. That's why ADBA changed the rules on weight pull for small dogs too, no dog under 30 lbs.

Oh, that is such bull$%^t! I have a 26 lb bitch I'd like to pull, but so much for that I guess! So has the ADBA designated an upper weight limit too? I'd hope so, since most of those big dogs are mixed as well!!!! :mad:

[hammatoed]

adba has been a joke for years..about as good as the ptca.! :eek:

[undamineknls]

does anyone know of a patterdale terrier breeder in nc?

[chinasmom]

I just love these little dogs...They are extreme for their size.

[JuckingFerk]

I have been playing with the idea of getting one. Im almost over the edge. If I could have found a kennel with a litter on the ground in my area I would have went the next day and gotten one about a week ago.

Ferk out

[JuckingFerk]

Clint73, hit me up with a PM please. Im in Michigan, so a drive to OH is not a problem.

Ferk out

[hammatoed]

* At Stud to Select Bitches *

-Stud Location: Colorado & NewYork

-Patterdale Terrier
-Male
-4yrs old
-17lbs
-Nuttall/gould
-PTCA Reg
-Send me a PM for info or questions

[masta of game]

check out the pix

http://www.hurricanekennels.com/patterdale.html

on the left side, click on photo gallery

http://www.hurricanekennels.com/toughen.jpg

[Buck E. Owens]

Which are the respected kennels for this breed? pm if you want, i like them but do they hunt in pairs or alone for most vermin, they probably hunt in pairs eh!:rolleyes:

[castle]

Which are the respected kennels for this breed? pm if you want, i like them but do they hunt in pairs or alone for most vermin, they probably hunt in pairs eh!:rolleyes:

If they are going to ground you use them singly ,if you put 2 to ground,they usually end up in single file and the one behind will push the one in front into its prey and it will get ripped up especially if its for badgers

[beanieman]

Why????You want to start your own breeding program? If that's the case, what are you hoping to achieve by this cross? What is it you are looking for? The Pat and the Jack are both used for the same thing. How will a cross improve either breed?
a cross is a bad idee.
Why do you want to put the jack in the patterdale.
Il take a patterdale over a jack anytime.
A friend of mine is the hunting coórdinator in holland and he works with patterdale an german draadhaar and he would never want a jack simply beacause a patterdale WILL work anytime.
And are proven better dogs than jacks.
The guys i know work al the time with there dogs and if a jack could do it better they would have jacks, but they don't

[dandy]

Book "Hunting with Terrier, Hounds and Lurcher" by Walter & Marlene Zwettler, p 292, a lot of pictures, German/English
Covertext:
From the Patterdale Terrier, the Jack Russell to the German Hunting Terrier, from the original Otter Hound and the cunning Lurcher, from the fox catcher to the boar catcher, this book is dealing. About these small, tough and most courageous dogs of the world – the terriers as they had been once and still are, about the Hounds, those untiring hunters and finders, especially about the original Otter Hound and finally about the famous and notorious Lurcher, cunning, quick and courageous, we want to inform and entertain you.

HISTORICAL, ACTUAL, STORIES AND HUNTING REPORTS<O:p></O:p>

Especially entertaining and informative for real dogmen and of course hunters!

Available in all book shops and online-shops
for intersested people in the States go to
http://www.powells.com/biblio/68-9783200011359-1

For additional info go to http://zwgamedogs.at

[masta of game]

hey dandy, is that your website. nice stuff, i just had to do a lil research before clicking on the site.. :).





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[dandy]

Thanks, yes that's my website:).

[snakewidomski]

schwabs got some decent stuff as well..very honest down to earth guy..give him a call or stop on by & he will be down for chit chat about life,family,dogs etc >good oldschool type of guy;)

schwab got his hands on "JET" a few years back..that dog is a bad mofo!
you want some real nice patterdale get 1 out of the Jet X Wilma breeding..old school nuttal.

I have a female puppy of this breeding.
She is 13 weeks old now and makes hope to be a good hunter in the future.

[snakewidomski]

Here are the peds of my Patts:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printablePedigree&dog_id=314281
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printablePedigree&dog_id=252550

[ultimatek9]

This is my little girl
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=197205 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=197205)
I knew nothing about the breed until I got her. She definitely a lot more feisty and work than my JRTs.

[Buck E. Owens]

Here are the peds of my Patts:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printablePedigree&dog_id=314281
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printablePedigree&dog_id=252550


Can't see them, have to make them public!;)

[snakewidomski]

Can't see them, have to make them public!;)

Sorry, here are the public links:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=314281
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=252550

[snakewidomski]

Schwab's Vio is more Terrier-like. She runs and bites all day long. I can't open a door without she is looking what's behind. She is the same like her father, Schwab's Grom.
Schwab's Ully is the Bulldog-type. She is very cool, sleeps and eat a lot, but is very explosive when she leaves the point of no return. ...Like her father G.Mason's Jet (one of the best working dogs in U.K.).
I don't know what puppy will be the better worker. Now both are good on their own way.

[snakewidomski]

This is my little girl
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=197205 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=197205)
I knew nothing about the breed until I got her. She definitely a lot more feisty and work than my JRTs.

I don't know much about PT- and JRT-breeding in the USA. I'm new in this breeds, too. And I begin learning some about the dogs from Europe.
The JRTs in Germany are more breeding for family-pets. Most of them are not able to work, ...some of them can't catch a rat. But there is sometimes a good one, too.
The Patterdale Terrier is very rare in Germany, because of his style. He often tries to kill the quarry. And so, many of his breed died by work, or were very damaged. This is to expensive for the most hunters.
The hunters in my area often have the Deutsche Jagd Terrier. It's the best allrounder for them. (Some of the old-type works like PTs)
I like the PT, because he is not so far away from the APBT.

[Bertus]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=314281
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=252550

Really nice dogs! I also want to get a PT in the future. But did you had to import the Nuttall dog or are there good ones in Deutschland or Nederland? And if so can you tell me maybe what kennel or breeder?
Danke schön.

[beanieman]

Really nice dogs! I also want to get a PT in the future. But did you had to import the Nuttall dog or are there good ones in Deutschland or Nederland? And if so can you tell me maybe what kennel or breeder?
Danke schön.
look at this site bertus i can always get a dog for you from high quality patterdale's.
maggie from this site is owned by a friend of mine.
http://www.llpatterdaleterriers.nl/
i do not now these guys personal one of them is family of my friend

[snakewidomski]

Really nice dogs! I also want to get a PT in the future. But did you had to import the Nuttall dog or are there good ones in Deutschland or Nederland? And if so can you tell me maybe what kennel or breeder?
Danke schön.

I have my dogs from Schwab. He imported his dogs from U.K. (G.Mason / Jones / Nuttall). He has the France and German hunting-license and works with his dogs mostly on wild boar, and sometimes on badger and fox.
Here is his side: http://www.patterdale.de

[snakewidomski]

look at this site bertus i can always get a dog for you from high quality patterdale's.
maggie from this site is owned by a friend of mine.
http://www.llpatterdaleterriers.nl/
i do not now these guys personal one of them is family of my friend

Ah, he breeds with the dogs from Cloot.
Very good and hard workers!!!

[snakewidomski]

Here is the ped of a very good looking, young PT, from an other German breeder.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=231374

[masta of game]

hey bro tell me about this certificate of gameness

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=317239

[ultimatek9]

hey bro tell me about this certificate of gameness

Here you go.
http://foxbriarpatterdales.com/index.asp?ID=36 (http://foxbriarpatterdales.com/index.asp?ID=36)

[RedTone]

Hey guys not to bud in but Garry Hammonds breeds them and says his has a hight prey drive I have his kennel dvd and they look nice.:)

[snakewidomski]

hey bro tell me about this certificate of gameness

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=317239

You see, the gameness of a hunting Terrier is not the same as the gameness of an APBT. They have very different working-styles.
And not every hard working Patterdale Terrier has a title.
A lot of hunters have no PTCA registration dogs, and don't like to be a member of any Club. Many of them have very hard working, proven dogs, that kills up to 3 foxes per day (or more) in the hunting season.

This is one of the best and hardest working dogs from UK.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=314018
The English hunters were very angry, that this dog goes to Germany. I saw a lot of bad articles in an English hunting forum, and the new German owner became many bad emails, because they want the dog back to Britain.

[snakewidomski]

I think there is a mistake in the ped of Jet.
The sire of Nuttall's Talbot is Nuttall's Miner, ...not Coco
The dam is Nuttall's Saddles, ...not Gypsy
Here is the right ped of Talbot: http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=314351

[ddog]

What is Jet known for -- Locating ability or staying? I'm just curious and interested in him, as I also have Old Nuttal dogs going straight to Punch/Penny. I noticed on one of the boards the issue was not Jet being sold and taken to Germany because he's a great dog, rather it was something else. Also, evidently the original hunter of Jet said that the dog was lacking in certain areas according to his standard. Again, I'm just curious. Also, the reason I'm asking is because the incessant drive to locate and hunt is what one should be looking for in a patterdale -- along with hardness. Yet just hard dogs that won't hunt are a dime a dozen.

Ddog

[masta of game]

hey ddog.. can u pm me or post a link for a patterdale terrier forum ...i wanna be a terrier man too :D wanna work some patts.. love watching animals work ;)

[QWERT]

Lmao - What Have You Seen Work Lol

[masta of game]

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[masta of game]

check the PIT

[woody d]

called him OUT!

[masta of game]

there is more to it in PM...

he says his got my number... and says believe me, i wouldnt b the one f***in laughin, and than says " I got ur number big boy, and believe me,, id be f***in runnin. go get muscles back you f***in cur... lmao you are the joke c***, not me or my dogs..."

[woody d]

wow Masta, this is a side of you ive never saw on here...:eek:....i like it!

[masta of game]

lol

man, im always cool i never start shit...

but i didnt f*cking grow up in no soft area too..

people call me out..i will come out

his soft skin mother f*cker..cant even stand people correcting him, gets all sensitive... he is not humble at all.. has ego issues .. cant believe he has pitbulls. wrong breed for him,.. i was always taught pitbulls are for gentleman..

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33149

[QWERT]

LMAO - called me out!>! LOL what a joke LOL

In REAL i'm talkin MOG - LOL

remember that dog musclws you OWNED but never even touched LOL - why dont you go get him back tough guy?

yes yes mr masta of nothin, deadgame, blackpoison, you keep changin them? is it cause you are such a tool, no one actually who has a dog wants to know you, just your pretend lil world, LOL HOW SAD...

amyways bigfella lol i bettr let you get back to your tough HOOD to feed ALL those imaginary dogs ya got.

WHAT A JOKE:D

[slim12]

not into the patterdales at all, but i did sit for one when a buddy went on vacation. I am not sure how much heart is in that little body but he acted like it was a ton. he was a pin in the ass after everything and anything, both big and small that moved. He has some pups on the way straight out of the nuttal (not sure of spelling)...bottom side is the deevil stuff..dirt devil...for those of you who know the peds on these.....he tried to give me one but i got enough without a 15 pound terrior/terror (both spellings will work)...s.

[snakewidomski]

What is Jet known for -- Locating ability or staying? I'm just curious and interested in him, as I also have Old Nuttal dogs going straight to Punch/Penny. I noticed on one of the boards the issue was not Jet being sold and taken to Germany because he's a great dog, rather it was something else. Also, evidently the original hunter of Jet said that the dog was lacking in certain areas according to his standard. Again, I'm just curious. Also, the reason I'm asking is because the incessant drive to locate and hunt is what one should be looking for in a patterdale -- along with hardness. Yet just hard dogs that won't hunt are a dime a dozen.

Ddog

Jet is only a stud dog now. He is not able to work anymore, because he lost to much teeth in work.
He is not a typical Patterdale, because he works and looks more bulldog-like.
I have read some articles by the original hunter of Jet in an English hunting forum. After he get him in the hands of G. Mason, he wants some offspring of Jet, but Mason sold Jet to Schwab. The hunter was very angry about that deal, wrote many bad articles in the forum and e-mails to Germany.
So, I think it doesn't matter for him, that Jet is lacking the standart. He knows Jet is a very good dog.

[ddog]

Jet is only a stud dog now. He is not able to work anymore, because he lost to much teeth in work.
He is not a typical Patterdale, because he works and looks more bulldog-like.
I have read some articles by the original hunter of Jet in an English hunting forum. After he get him in the hands of G. Mason, he wants some offspring of Jet, but Mason sold Jet to Schwab. The hunter was very angry about that deal, wrote many bad articles in the forum and e-mails to Germany.
So, I think it doesn't matter for him, that Jet is lacking the standart. He knows Jet is a very good dog.

Thanks for the reply, my friend. I also know that R. Schwab wouldn't have purchased him if he wasn't a first class dog. Take care!
Ddog

[ben brockton]

does anyone know if them nuttal dogs made there way over to the U.S?

[woody d]

Hadlocks Emmet...i believe that was his name. i was checkin out this little guy the other day, and im pretty sure his ped was Nuttal top to bottom, a couple back.

[ben brockton]

thanks wood im about to serch for a patt fourm. any dog that can whip a badger is a good dog in my book.

[woody d]

im not sure how much old school work that dog saw, he was a WP Ch. in MA if memory serves correct.

[ben brockton]

ya im not sure how popular a working patt is in the states. but i wouldn't mind taking to the woods with one. im going to email bulldog X , hammonds ,fox to see what type of info they can tell me about there dogs.

[snakewidomski]

I've heard that Nuttall breeds for the US-hunters special Patterdales with a lower size, because many needs them for groundhog. Is it right?
The Patterdales in Europe are bigger, because we use them on fox, badger and wild boar.
Are there US-hunters who have PTs over 9kg?