need advice

[skelly]

I have a boudreaux female that's in heat.I want to get her breed but not sure what would be a good bloodline to cross with?

[bullydogs]

I have a boudreaux female that's in heat.I want to get her breed but not sure what would be a good bloodline to cross with?My advice would be to hold off on the breeding. Its sounds like there is a lot for you to learn yet. ( Which is not a bad thing) However, breeding two dogs correctly is not easy. It takes tons of exp. and knowledge. How old is your female? What you mean Boudreaux female? That is not a line, just Floyd's last name. Who is the dog breed down from? Is it her first heat? What are some of your reasons for wanting to breed her? What will you do with the pups? These are just a few questions you should consider.

[Pitless2208]

Honestly...if you have to ask that should you really be breeding? Please hold off on any breeding until you have done your research first. Breeding isn't something that should be taken lightly.

[CooljoeGoodie]

My advice would be to hold off on the breeding. Its sounds like there is a lot for you to learn yet. ( Which is not a bad thing) However, breeding two dogs correctly is not easy. It takes tons of exp. and knowledge. How old is your female? What you mean Boudreaux female? That is not a line, just Floyd's last name. Who is the dog breed down from? Is it her first heat? What are some of your reasons for wanting to breed her? What will you do with the pups? These are just a few questions you should consider.Good advice....

[miakoda]

I answered this very same question asked by you on another forum, however I'm assuming you didn't like the answers you got over there. So to save time, I'm just going to crosspost what I wrote over there:


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Originally Posted by skelly http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/006/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?p=61648#post61648)
I have a Boudreaux female and a half Chinaman and half Redboy female.
I'm going to breed both of them this year and was wondering what would be a good bloodline to cross with my female?
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>No offense, but if you have to ask this question, then you don't have a clue as to what you are doing and don't need to be doing it.

Other than putting a bloodline label to your dogs, what have your dogs done to prove themselves worthy of being bred? In what venues have your dogs competed and excelled proving they are part of the best of the best?

What knowledge of genetics do you have? You should know as much as possible not just about your dogs, but about the lines in general and their pros and cons. Getting the best out of a breeding takes a hell of a lot more than just mating 2 dogs together.

All the same should be considered for the dogs you are "planning" to breed to.

For example, AFTER we have a dog that just proves himself/herself to be the best of the best, it still takes on average 8 months to a year to consider the breeding. And just because we consider it, doesn't mean a breeding ever takes place.

Also, do you have peds on your dogs? If so, I'd be interested in seeing them. If not, then..............

[jman11]

Sorry about all the above posts brotha, Dont let these negative nancies get you down, I am willing to bet a nut that these people above me have never owned or bred a ROM dog, and besides, that doesnt matter, cause anyone can breed a dog. I do not breed and I do not sell dogs, but that does not mean you can not. In your quest to breed this dog, let me ask some questions that might let you ask better questions as to what type of stud you are looking for....

1. What is the purpose of this breeding? (brood stock, show, saving the blood, etc.)
2. What dominant traits does your dog display
3. What traits, in your estimation, do you think your dog is lacking, or could be better in?
:D

[CooljoeGoodie]

Great post guys.....wish more would shed some light, to help this person.This opinion might help you out as well.Did you notice that all the replys had questions with them.Most that understand breedings will ask to see where you want to go with it,or if you understand what it is that you are doing and want.If you looked at or read news as of lately you should know that there is a problem with people mis understanding this type of breed,in many ways ,from breeding to being properly secured to believing in crazy myths....So to save yourself some troubles and whatever else,do some research on your dog,get some books about breeding,and always be open to others opinions,who may only be trying to help you out,because inturn it helps us all out.Hope that helped out a little.....

[miakoda]

Sorry about all the above posts brotha, Dont let these negative nancies get you down, I am willing to bet a nut that these people above me have never owned or bred a ROM dog, and besides, that doesnt matter, cause anyone can breed a dog. I do not breed and I do not sell dogs, but that does not mean you can not. In your quest to breed this dog, let me ask some questions that might let you ask better questions as to what type of stud you are looking for....

1. What is the purpose of this breeding? (brood stock, show, saving the blood, etc.)
2. What dominant traits does your dog display
3. What traits, in your estimation, do you think your dog is lacking, or could be better in?
:D

How are we being negative? Because this person has posted this question on different forums because he/she has no idea what he/she is doing? And we are supposed to applaud that?

And you can make all the assumptions you want about us, but you don't know any of us or what we've bred. But I can tell you this....I've never had to go ask a bunch of anonymous people what bloodline would "go good with" my dog's bloodline. And that my dog is in heat so hurry up on that info please.:rolleyes:

I don't help out back yard breeders. The ones we have are doing enough damage.

[skelly]

Look I didn't mean to cause trouble and no I'm not a back yard breeder.And I certainly don't need your help on anything Mia.I've been away from bulldogs for several years and I'm just getting back in it.I've got chinaman,boudreaux,jeep and yellowjohn.I was just wondering what you guys thought would be the best cross.I have an idea of what i want to do but was just wondering what someone else thought.

[Big Game]

Hey SKelly Looks like youve found a mentor. Hay Jayman I raise you a nut, that YOU have never Bred or owned a ROM dog. Sorry about all the above posts brotha, Dont let these negative nancies get you down, I am willing to bet a nut that these people above me have never owned or bred a ROM dog, and besides, that doesnt matter, cause anyone can breed a dog. I do not breed and I do not sell dogs, but that does not mean you can not. In your quest to breed this dog, let me ask some questions that might let you ask better questions as to what type of stud you are looking for....

1. What is the purpose of this breeding? (brood stock, show, saving the blood, etc.)
2. What dominant traits does your dog display
3. What traits, in your estimation, do you think your dog is lacking, or could be better in?
:D

[jman11]

How are we being negative? well, you are being negative by going forum to forum to forum STONEWALLING this persons requests. Is that not obvious to you.

How would you feel if you went to 4 different forums, and the same HAWK tried to swoop down each time and push you off-track. One could get a little discouraged?

And next, what makes you "NOT" a BYB? Just answer that and ill shut up.


FYI To Everyone: What makes a professional breeder?

I just got done reading both of Bobby Halls Books, Bullyson & his sons, and it was noted several times that Bobby did not know shit for pedigrees or history of dogs or how well different bloods mix. What he could do was work the hell out of a dog!! And because of this he bred good dogs

And then on the other side of the Spectrum, (according to BH) was G. Hammonds, who wasnt all that talented in the Physical Aspect of the game, but was a Wizzard at looking at pedigress, seeing how different bloods would match, and all the other "theoretical" stuff that comes with breeding.

Both will go down in history as Top Breeders.......


and both of these people sold dogs (sometimes as pets even!)

so mia..... what makes a Professional Breeder,
what makes you think you should be able to breed a bulldog 1 second before this poster?

[jman11]

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[jman11]

big game- right back at ya!

[Big Game]

I dont know where to start? First off Im done betting NUTS with you...This is just getting gross. Second Im a dude....I am just going to try my best to ignore the fact you ASSume for some reason that im a woman and you made the bold statement that you would bust a nut in my face because themz sound like fightin words. I dont give a damn who owns what. I only worry about my dogs and that is it. I also dont give a damn about youre ROM owning and breeding friends that wouldent toutch this fourm. I use it, you use it. Guess we must be absoulut nobodys who know absolutly shit and have nothing good to offer. Right? If you think so badly of the fourm and its members why use it? I think Mia is right on point with her statements to the op. If you have to ask sutch a question you have no bussness breding dogs. Period! I have relationships with real dogmen. This is who I would ask this type of Question. You have all of these rom dogs and there owners surrounding you :rolleyes: . that is who you would ask. With all of our knowlidge and all of the great knowlidge and dogs we have access to and yet nether of us breeds dogs. Right? Must be because we understand and respect all the learning and hard work it takes to be able to call youreself a true dogman or Breeder. Why then would you turn around and throw evrything you learned right out the window and incurage this person to breed. I'm sure thay are totaly capable professional breeders. Thay were just testing us Lol . Give me a break. Big Game

[jman11]

I dont know where to start? First off Im done betting NUTS with you...This is just getting gross. Second Im a dude....I am just going to try my best to ignore the fact you ASSume for some reason that im a woman and you made the bold statement that you would bust a nut in my face because themz sound like fightin words. I dont give a damn who owns what. I only worry about my dogs and that is it. I also dont give a damn about youre ROM owning and breeding friends that wouldent toutch this fourm. I use it, you use it. Guess we must be absoulut nobodys who know absolutly shit and have nothing good to offer. Right? If you think so badly of the fourm and its members why use it? I think Mia is right on point with her statements to the op. If you have to ask sutch a question you have no bussness breding dogs. Period! I have relationships with real dogmen. This is who I would ask this type of Question. You have all of these rom dogs and there owners surrounding you :rolleyes: . that is who you would ask. With all of our knowlidge and all of the great knowlidge and dogs we have access to and yet nether of us breeds dogs. Right? Must be because we understand and respect all the learning and hard work it takes to be able to call youreself a true dogman or Breeder. Why then would you turn around and throw evrything you learned right out the window and incurage this person to breed. I'm sure thay are totaly capable professional breeders. Thay were just testing us Lol . Give me a break. Big Game....im lost on half of what you just said

[Big Game]

5,6,7,8, ...Right back at ya

[jman11]

there is a post in here i have been searching for, but basically it was a semi- new member on here, and he wrote a big paragraph about how no one can get anything answered on here unless they already know the answer . This is why i have started trying to help people on here (newer people) and help them reform there questions in a way that can help the others answer them. For some reason that does not fly well with some of the oldtime cyberdoggers on here.

Just tryin to help:)

[purplepig]

Look I didn't mean to cause trouble and no I'm not a back yard breeder.And I certainly don't need your help on anything Mia.I've been away from bulldogs for several years and I'm just getting back in it.I've got chinaman,boudreaux,jeep and yellowjohn.I was just wondering what you guys thought would be the best cross.I have an idea of what i want to do but was just wondering what someone else thought.

Hello Skelly,

To answer your question, first things are first. You were wondering what would be the best "cross" in our opinion. Well, from what I can gather, your two dogs are already a cross. You mentioned two females, and four different "lines"(as someone has pointed out, Boud. is a man's name, and he had several different strains that he went with, which at the root was basically considered eli). So I am using simple math, correct me if I am wrong, but your two dogs consist of two different lines. Correct? If this is true, then you "cross" again, you are going into scatterbreeding. Which is not always a bad thing, if you know the strengths and weaknesses of the two dogs you are considering breeding, or better yet, their parents strengths and weaknesses. Then you would know if the match "could" be good. I say "could" because anyone who says that luck does not have a roll in this is just ignorant, but you can make educated decisions to improve your odds of success. Someone has asked what makes these two dogs worth breeding. This really is something to look at. Are these the only two dogs you own? I am not a person who says "dont breed", I breed, how can I tell you not to? I do, however wish that you would listen to people who have been around a bit, and learn from their mistakes, and then by the time you have been in the game as long as they have, or I have, you would be a much better breed advocate. Also, You have heard that a dog takes on the traits of their master? Well, those of us who have game dogs take on their traits, and are alittle confrontational, so do not take it personal, but take it as hard core truth and lessons.
I may be going out on a limb here, but I bet if you would not get defensive, and answered the questions that Mia, and others have posed, you may begin to get answers. Oh, and btw, posting those four names above does not really give us a clue as to how your dogs are bred, cause some folks see the name in the 7th generation and consider it a "yellowjohn" dog. Some of us realize that if the dog isnt in the first 3 generations, then the odds are pretty high that the same breeding program was not carried out.

Hope this helps, and we'll be awaiting your response.

[bahamutt99]

Just have one thing to say. There is a difference between doing years worth of research in different sources to get your answers beforehand, and waiting until your dog is in heat to get a quick answer. I don't think someone gathering information for future reference is going to get hounded nearly as bad as someone who looks like they're making a last-minute decision on something like breeding.

[purplepig]

Just have one thing to say. There is a difference between doing years worth of research in different sources to get your answers beforehand, and waiting until your dog is in heat to get a quick answer. I don't think someone gathering information for future reference is going to get hounded nearly as bad as someone who looks like they're making a last-minute decision on something like breeding.

well, I have to agree with you. BTW, you are up past your bedtime, get to bed!!!!

[bahamutt99]

LOL. Thanks to years of working 2nd and 3rd shifts -- plus just generally being a night owl -- I tend to be going to bed when a lot of people are getting up to go to work.