Seperate Strains

[doglady]

If a breeder maintains some of the most respected bloodlines but also has a completely seperate line of blue dogs, would that affect your opinion of the breeder?

[miakoda]

I would wonder more as to why a "respected" and "knowledgable" owner/breeder would be breeding dogs strictly for their color. IMO, I wouldn't touch their dogs b/c there is one reason someone breeds for color: easy money.

And honestly I might wonder what their true intentions are for maintaining these other dogs with well-known bloodlines. Does this person actually know and have a passion for the dogs from these lines and actually use them/show them? Or do they just have them again for a marketing ploy?

[sapitbulls]

No i would not buy a dog from a breeder like that ever.

[frenchie1936]

some people are very pretentious and like to pretend they are the only true fanciers since they don't own blues or bullies. SEVERAL of my good friends have excellent fast lane bulldogs and have a couple bullies on the side. open the book before you decide it isn't worth buying. and just because someone owns bullies doesn't not mean they breed for color or what have you. don't get me wrong, you'll never see a bully anywhere near my yard. but just because someone doesn't have just game dogs doesn't make them any less of a responsible person. my only qualm is that some bully owners call their dogs American Pit Bull Terriers. tsk tsk......

[Titch_Pitbull]

good post frenchie. Just because you like bullies and bulldogs doesnt mean your bulldogs are worthless !

[doglady]

What if the breeder says they maintain the seperate line of blues for a family member, and they themselves are dedicated to the game bred dog but list them all on their site and sell pups from both strains? If the blues are bred for conformation(not "bully") and temprement(but other traits are of course lost due to heavy Am. Staff blood), would you still shy away from their game bred strain?

[MinorThreat]

they can sell blue dogs for more money and lol at a dogman keeping blue things on their yard, yeah right

[misterdogman]

some people are very pretentious and like to pretend they are the only true fanciers since they don't own blues or bullies. SEVERAL of my good friends have excellent fast lane bulldogs and have a couple bullies on the side. open the book before you decide it isn't worth buying. and just because someone owns bullies doesn't not mean they breed for color or what have you. don't get me wrong, you'll never see a bully anywhere near my yard. but just because someone doesn't have just game dogs doesn't make them any less of a responsible person. my only qualm is that some bully owners call their dogs American Pit Bull Terriers. tsk tsk......Sorry but I absolutely disagree with this, I agree more with Mia especially if this person has real deal dogs they would know the blues are junk and wouldnt want them and DEFINITELY wouldnt breed them, actually having this person ask this question makes me question the quality of their supposed real deal stuff. If you had both you would choose the real one in my mind so maybe this person should re evaluate their whole yard and get rid of all their dogs.
APBT lovers want gamebred dogs.
Blue dog lovers want a pet to show off.
To me you cant live in both worlds and respect the original and still breed the garbage someone created from the original and not feel bad about it. This person shouldnt be breeing ANYTHING anyway because there is enough damn dogs out there and I know there is a more qualified dog out there that deserves to be bred before that Blue garbage.

[miakoda]

some people are very pretentious and like to pretend they are the only true fanciers since they don't own blues or bullies. SEVERAL of my good friends have excellent fast lane bulldogs and have a couple bullies on the side. open the book before you decide it isn't worth buying. and just because someone owns bullies doesn't not mean they breed for color or what have you. don't get me wrong, you'll never see a bully anywhere near my yard. but just because someone doesn't have just game dogs doesn't make them any less of a responsible person. my only qualm is that some bully owners call their dogs American Pit Bull Terriers. tsk tsk......
Having a bully or two as a family pet is one thing. But to cash in on the blue bully market just because is something else. And it's actions like that that are detrimental to our dogs!

I had a blue brindle 'pit bull' for 2 years (he's now at a great new home in New Jersey as of this past December). He was a great dog and a great pet. But never in a million years would I have bred him to cash in on a market that is aiding in the destruction of my APBTs.

And there are many people out there who own APBTs from good bloodlines not because they actually love the breed or the dogs themselves, but rather because they love the reputation and the status their dogs bring to them.

So that's why I said what I did.

[Chef-Kergin]

how, in good conscience, could someone do that?

you're either in it for the breed, or in it for the money. i don't think you can't flip it any other way.

i know "of" some folks who do this.....they had/have "gamebred" apbts for 10+ years. from what i know, they produced some fine animals, had some standards to what they were working for, etc. etc.

then come to find out, they also breed and sell blue bully dogs.

kind of makes you wonder......

i've heard the arguements of "you have one to two litters of blue dogs a year, and it pays for all your feeds, vet visits, etc for the whole yard!"

i say bullshit.

that makes you a peddler like any other p.o.s. trying to cash in on the apbt, or any mix/mutation there-of. you loose all cool points imo, and i don't know how seriously i could take one's word if they practiced such things. you'd probably see adds for their apbts and bullies on sites like petfinder, hoobly, etc.

i'm no breeder, i don't ever plan on breeding dogs. there's ppl that've been doing that with success far longer than i've been alive who i'll leave that up to.

so take my $0.02 for what you will.

[miakoda]

i've heard the arguements of "you have one to two litters of blue dogs a year, and it pays for all your feeds, vet visits, etc for the whole yard!"
And I respond with "Get a J-O-B." or even get a 2nd job.

[Titch_Pitbull]

So lets just say some-one breeds blues for lets say weight pull he breeds his dogs to make fine weight pull dogs..he doesnt sell any of the pups..but heck there still blue. does this still make them an asshole cashing in on the market :S.

Its funny how people that like blue dogs are just init for money and theres no other reason at all why someone would want to raise these dogs.

[Chef-Kergin]

And I respond with "Get a J-O-B." or even get a 2nd job.i heard that.

[Big Game]

I know of people that breed real deal bulldogs. Totaly breed to standerd. These people also breed a line of larger but not Bully pulldogs. There pulldogs are only tested and proven on the pull track. Only sold to pull homes. Thay never cross there two lines together. Both lines are worked in there own way and thay are not Cashing In on any fad. I myself belive in having a dual purpuse Gamebreed dog. I see no reason to breed a seprate line of Pull dogs. Gamedogs do just fine on the pull track. However, I see no harm in what thay are doing as long as the two lines are kept seperate and the pull dogs are sold as just that pulldogs. Jmo Big Game

[Chef-Kergin]

Its funny how people that like blue dogs are just init for money and theres no other reason at all why someone would want to raise these dogs.when you hear the excuse that they're breeding them to help with maintenance funds for the yard when asked why they breed bulldogs and bullies, they're cashing in on the fad. no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

everyone's entitled to their own cup of tea. i'm not bashing anyone who likes any breed of dog, or mixed mutts for that matter.

what chaps my ass is when they do it SOLELY for monetary gain, and try to ride the coattails of something they're producing is not.

again, not everyone does this, but i'm sure more than one do :S

I see no reason to breed a seprate line of Pull dogs. Gamedogs do just fine on the pull track. However, I see no harm in what thay are doing as long as the two lines are kept seperate and the pull dogs are sold as just that pulldogs. Jmo Big Gameagreed.

[Titch_Pitbull]

when you hear the excuse that they're breeding them to help with maintenance funds for the yard when asked why they breed bulldogs and bullies, they're cashing in on the fad. no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

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and what if they DONT sell pups to the general public? wouldnt that mean a much higher yard feed (due to how these dogs are fat hippos that eat mountians of food :) ).

[Pipbull]

and what if they DONT sell pups to the general public? wouldnt that mean a much higher yard feed (due to how these dogs are fat hippos that eat mountians of food :) ).
Is that ever the case?

[bulldog426]

i know a couple dogmen that have a blue or two, and i've also seen some blues that wern't cur. not my cup of tea, eventually i want to get a well bred blue, and also want a bull terrier, but i want to keep my gamebreds tight gamebred, and just have a blue and bull terrier for the hell of it.

[misterdogman]

i know a couple dogmen that have a blue or two, and i've also seen some blues that wern't cur. not my cup of tea, eventually i want to get a well bred blue, and also want a bull terrier, but i want to keep my gamebreds tight gamebred, and just have a blue and bull terrier for the hell of it.Why would you do that if you got tight game dogs anyway?

[Mr.Bulldog89]

I don't mind people owning bully dogs as long as they don't call them an APBT

[CynthiaATL]

I have a question how come everytime someone mentions blue dogs they automatically refer to bullies. I have a blue dog (I got in a rescue situation froma friend that could not afford treatment when he was sick) He is not a bully actually he is 1/2 Fallins/Turpin and 1/4 Norrod and 1/4 Redboy (yes he is confused) But not bully. He is intact because I show him. But he will not be bred. My boyfriend has Sorrell dogs and when you look on our yard you see his then my blue LOL he hates that.

And to the OP I would question the breeders motives and practices. Like many have said if you only breed for color you are not breeding for the right reasons. Regardless of what color you lose on whats important.

[bulldog426]

Why would you do that if you got tight game dogs anyway?didn't say i'd breed em with game stuff just said i want one in the future, i want a bull terrier because nobody around here has one it would be something different. and i also want to get an am bulldog, or oe bulldog in the future, once i move out the city and into the country i plan on having a dogyard bigger than my own yard.
they have had some game blues in the past, i remember reading one time doing some ped research, and came across some gamedogs that had blue listed as their color. but now you have so many byb breeding blues for no real purpose in mind excetp to make a quick buck that they have alot of cur in em. there are still a few blues that have some good stuff in the blood, but there is only a handfull of them. i know of 3 blues that aren't cur. out of 100s of rednoses, and brindles, etc. that i've seen. but these are people who don't mess with bybred bullsh!t.

[miakoda]

Cynthia, regardless of if the dogs are "bullies," anyone breeding strictly for blue dogs has eithical and moral issues. And the same goes for people who breed for nothing more than red dogs with red noses, or white dogs, or purple dogs......etc.

[CynthiaATL]

Cynthia, regardless of if the dogs are "bullies," anyone breeding strictly for blue dogs has eithical and moral issues. And the same goes for people who breed for nothing more than red dogs with red noses, or white dogs, or purple dogs......etc.
I agree thats why I said to the OP

And to the OP I would question the breeders motives and practices. Like many have said if you only breed for color you are not breeding for the right reasons. Regardless of what color you lose on whats important.
My question was that anytime someone hears blue thay start screaming Bully. I saw a few blue dogs at the show in Sorrento they were no where near American Bully type dogs. I should have started another thread but I really should not open that can of worms. LOL We all know how that turns out. I read the OP and they never mentioned Bully and then ppl that replied added bully to it. I saw it and asked why.

[Iverson's Pits]

Why would this even be an issue??? If the breeder is reputable, than he is reputable.....PERIOD. This quesion wouldn't even be brought up if the "other breed" on the guys yards were some Yorkshire Terriers. So what gives? As long as YOU KNOW, that the proper effort, time, work, testing, culling, and ethics went into the preverbial "Game strain" of dogs on the guys yard....why would anyone here give two squirts of piss about what other animals the guy has. Oh my god.....he has chickens too !!!???? WTF. Oh no, that guys game-dogs must be garbage!

[Iverson's Pits]

Cynthia, regardless of if the dogs are "bullies," anyone breeding strictly for blue dogs has eithical and moral issues. And the same goes for people who breed for nothing more than red dogs with red noses, or white dogs, or purple dogs......etc.

Just a question for you.......do you feel the same about people breeding for Silver Mini Poodles, or pure Black German Sheppard Dogs, or Huskies of a certain color pattern ??

[bahamutt99]

I agree with Iverson's post. Ethics are ethics, no matter what you're breeding. There's a guy down here who's big in the show circuit with UKC APBTs/AKC AmStaffs, and his wife breeds another breed. (Can't remember what.) Leaving off the general opinions on UKC/AKC stuff, if one were looking for that kind of dog, and got scared away because of the presence of another breed in the kennel, they could potentially be missing out on something really nice because of preconceived notions.

[purplepig]

Cynthia, regardless of if the dogs are "bullies," anyone breeding strictly for blue dogs has eithical and moral issues. And the same goes for people who breed for nothing more than red dogs with red noses, or white dogs, or purple dogs......etc.


HEY NOW!!
You better get off of my purple dogs!!! I have the market cornered on this!!

[Bullyson]

NO! That has nothing to do with the APBT. The blue bluffs do. And plenty at that. Just a question for you.......do you feel the same about people breeding for Silver Mini Poodles, or pure Black German Sheppard Dogs, or Huskies of a certain color pattern ??

[miakoda]

Just a question for you.......do you feel the same about people breeding for Silver Mini Poodles, or pure Black German Sheppard Dogs, or Huskies of a certain color pattern ??
Yes I do. GSD's should ONLY be bred based off of working ability/performance first and structure second (but BOTH must be considered). I HATE the fact that people are breeding GSDs, Rottweilers, Dobermans, etc. for pets...look at what the Americans have done to the GSD for example. It's back is so damned sloped that it walks on it's hocks.....it's a genetic mess that ends up with arthritis at age two and God only knows how severe the hip dysplasia is. I've euthanized more GSDs before the age of 1 due to the most severe HD I've ever seen than any other breed combined. And Americans have pretty much bred Rotties to be 150+ sloppy, drooling mastiffs with God-awful temperaments and even more health issues. And I don't even have the time to go into all the crap on white and black GSDs and white Dobes..........the vast majority of those dogs should be culled.

Huskies as well should be working dogs first and foremost. They were bred for a reason and that reason was not to be a pet and it sure as hell wasn't to be a pet of a particular color.

I'm still amazed that so many people on this site could care less about using dogs to make an easy living for themselves. And it's obvious that my definition of "reputable" sure as hell isn't the same as some other people's definition of the same word.

[bryant'smissy]

All blues are not junk. If you look at the pedigrees of some lines of old true apbt/ast you will see good game dogs in them all. I have a bitch that is a blue fawn and she can get down with most any red nosed bitch on my block. She's hella game and aint no cur. Yeah she has heavy ruffian blood but its old and stems from dogs registered akc but still remained active in sportin. So next time you diss on a blue look up the history. but fuck all razorsedge bully type dogs. a pit bull over 65 is an obvious distortion of the breed. Why are they still allowed to show at UKC AKC and ADBA shows.Sorry but I absolutely disagree with this, I agree more with Mia especially if this person has real deal dogs they would know the blues are junk and wouldnt want them and DEFINITELY wouldnt breed them, actually having this person ask this question makes me question the quality of their supposed real deal stuff. If you had both you would choose the real one in my mind so maybe this person should re evaluate their whole yard and get rid of all their dogs.
APBT lovers want gamebred dogs.
Blue dog lovers want a pet to show off.
To me you cant live in both worlds and respect the original and still breed the garbage someone created from the original and not feel bad about it. This person shouldnt be breeing ANYTHING anyway because there is enough damn dogs out there and I know there is a more qualified dog out there that deserves to be bred before that Blue garbage.

[Pipbull]

I have a bitch that is a blue fawn and she can get down with most any red nosed bitch on my block. She's hella game and aint no cur.
Good lord.........

[Pipbull]

Oh, and on the topic at hand, I think it is a little different for our breed in comparison to American Bullies. If there was someone that had well bred bulldogs and some well bred labs, I'd have no problem getting a dog from them.

But the American Bully, no matter what way you cut it, has damaged the APBT. Anyone that supports the American Bully flat out denies all the damage done to our breed's reputation. I am not talking strictly HA or bite incidents, I'm talking about bastardizing the breed and skewing the public's perception. Irresponsible owners, BYBs, and puppy peddlers make up I think a good 90% of that community. They are very public with the dogs, because they are status symbols to the majority of that community, and again, skews the view of what JQP thinks an APBT is.

So, IMO, the damage that has been done by the bully community over the past 10+ years is more than I personally am willing to forgive. And I would prefer to get a dog from a breeder with that same mindset.

[purplepig]

So, IMO, the damage that has been done by the bully community over the past 10+ years is more than I personally am willing to forgive. And I would prefer to get a dog from a breeder with that same mindset.

Actually in a book copywritten in 1936, Joe Colby states in his book how many folks hated this breed back then. When pitting dogs became illegal, it was the "sporting folks" who had the dogs. It was people who liked to bet, people whom you would see at a bathtub gin house during proihibition, simply put, it was people who did not follow the letter of the law.

We will embrace the fighting side of the dogs, but will you embrace the fact that it was free willed americans who did not bow to the letter of the law when it came to the way they lived?

You say, "well, folks now are peddaling the dogs.", do you really think they were not sold to the public then? I have flyer's from John Colby, Jo Mauro, Highland Kennels, Casey Lawrence, Terry Barber(Barber's Pit Dogs), Pete Donovan, Ham Morris, George Mitchel, etc....(need I go on?).

The pit dogs became more of a closed circle in the late 60's to early/mid seventies, and when it became federal, it has just become more of a closed circle. But right now, you can go and purchase a well bred, hot bulldog without knowing the people at all.

So when we go to speaking of the bad rap of the dogs, I have to believe that is from media. Newspapers and TV. Back in the day, if a good act was done, it was big news, now adays, if it is a good act, it is ignored, and if it is a horrible act, it gets put on the front page. It is like the media is our magic magnifying glasses. They focus on the bad, and the bad gets worse. When they focussed on the good, the good grew. I believe that the 60's sexual, music, drug, and homosexual revolution has set our minds this type of thinking. They pour into our minds what they want to preach. Have you ever wondered why Madona wont allow her children to watch tv, or listen to secular music?

As to the having blue dogs and game dogs, I do not see the great evil in it, especially if they are bred seperately. There I said it. I believe that as long as we stand divided, we will fall. Rather than segragate myself from the blue dogs, I would rather seperate myself from the thieves, the child molesters, the folks who cannot keep their word. The ones who say they will do one thing and do another. I would rather align myself with people who call things how they are, and stand by their word. If all bulldog owners were of this type of character, and did not seek to be politically correct, then when you said to someone,"I have pit dogs", they would imediately relate integrity with these wonderfull animals.

So I have given you several things to get offended with me and my words, and that is okay. Because I am who I am, I see things the way I see them. I am teachable, but am not led around by blind people. I have the ability to listen to what people say, keep what is good, and spit out the bones!!

I say if we want to attack something, lets get our aim on the animal rights nuts.

[misterdogman]

All blues are not junk. If you look at the pedigrees of some lines of old true apbt/ast you will see good game dogs in them all. I have a bitch that is a blue fawn and she can get down with most any red nosed bitch on my block. She's hella game and aint no cur. Yeah she has heavy ruffian blood but its old and stems from dogs registered akc but still remained active in sportin. So next time you diss on a blue look up the history. but fuck all razorsedge bully type dogs. a pit bull over 65 is an obvious distortion of the breed. Why are they still allowed to show at UKC AKC and ADBA shows.When I see a currently living and game proven Blue dog with my own eyes in person I will take back my words. This dog must still be alive. I will do you one more and even one better. I dont even care how much it weighs. Just show me a living game blue nobody disagrees about and I will retort. I dont want your opinion of your dog, I want it in person. Also I dont want stories of someone elses dog either because peoples feelings disrupt their opinions. This is why I am willing to bet your Blue is not game just as no currently Blue dogs being bred are really GAME. I also am sure she has never passed a test I would administer, if it were something I could legally do, she would most assuredly fail.

[purplepig]

When I see a currently living and game proven Blue dog with my own eyes in person I will take back my words. This dog must still be alive. I will do you one more and even one better. I dont even care how much it weighs. Just show me a living game blue nobody disagrees about and I will retort. I dont want your opinion of your dog, I want it in person. Also I dont want stories of someone elses dog either because peoples feelings disrupt their opinions. This is why I am willing to bet your Blue is not game just as no currently Blue dogs being bred are really GAME. I also am sure she has never passed a test I would administer, if it were something I could legally do, she would most assuredly fail.

Well Brother, for anyone to respond in a "come on over" would mean they are admitting to performing an illegal activity. So the only legal response would be a "I knew one", or "I have one", know what I mean? Now, I realize that some folks mistake gameness with aggressiveness. And seeing as a dog that is game is a dog who when put behind still believes he's on top, and no matter what keeps pushing on, wanting more, I can honestly say that I used to have one. If you were to look at all the blue dogs, sure, the overwhelming majority of them out there are far less than game.Heck, many of them do not even have conformation, but...(there's always a but aint there?), the same can be said about the majority of "game bred" dogs out there too. Only difference being that they look more conformationally correct.

[Osea]

Good lord.........
Thank you Pipbull! That post made wasting my time reading this thread worth it! hahaha

[miakoda]

All blues are not junk.
No one necessarily said they were junk. I owned a rescued blue brindle male for 2 years (he's now found his true permanent home) and he was an amazing dog and a great pet. Anyways, it's the breeding and the reason why they were bred that makes people say what they do about the dogs, not necessarily because the dog is blue.

If you look at the pedigrees of some lines of old true apbt/ast you will see good game dogs in them all.
If your dog has 3 Champions 5-7 generations back, you can't even consider it. In fact, the truth is to look no further back than 3 generations to see what your dog is truly comprised of. And for me, the sire & dam are the biggest issue. If they didn't do anything, then why were they even bred?

I have a bitch that is a blue fawn and she can get down with most any red nosed bitch on my block.
Huh? Again, what does color have to do with anything? Red/red nosed dogs were the fad before the blue dogs hit the market. A large part of these dogs were bred for nothing more than their color thus they are just as "crappy" as the blues we are discussing. I think you are more focused on color than you are educated with the history and bloodlines that make this breed.

She's hella game and aint no cur.
There is only 1 way to prove your dog is game and that way is illegal. If we are to honestly believe your claim, then you just admitted to our resident cops (some are members, some lurk) that you partake in illegal activities. And that's not too smart, now is it?

Yeah she has heavy ruffian blood but its old and stems from dogs registered akc but still remained active in sportin.
Look at my response above on how far back dogs in pedigrees really matter. As for "sportin", the only thing I've seen Ruffian dogs still do is agility and some weightpull.

So next time you diss on a blue look up the history.
Last time I checked, APBT didn't have a history section on breeding strictly blue dogs. Why? Because no serious dogman cared what color the dog was. And to be factual, "blue" dogs back then were labeled as "grey/gray" and chances are they were the only one as there was no intentional breeding to create blue dogs.

but fuck all razorsedge bully type dogs.
No thank you. I'm not into beasteality.

a pit bull over 65 is an obvious distortion of the breed.
While I wholeheartedly agree that standards should be upheld, I won't necessarily call Mayday and some of his offspring "distortions of the breed." They made a much better contribution than Ruffian dogs ever did.

Why are they still allowed to show at UKC AKC and ADBA shows.
Because registries register dogs for money. It's all about money in the end. AKC only cares about creating dogs that have a certain look and screw any working ability. It's about the "who's who" of dog owners and handlers. The UKC and the ADBA have both knowingly allowed mixed breed dogs into their registries thus reducing the quality somewhat. But since they were/are allowed, how are they going to not allow them to compete in shows?


My replies in red.

[Big Game]

This Is A great post. I totaly agree.Actually in a book copywritten in 1936, Joe Colby states in his book how many folks hated this breed back then. When pitting dogs became illegal, it was the "sporting folks" who had the dogs. It was people who liked to bet, people whom you would see at a bathtub gin house during proihibition, simply put, it was people who did not follow the letter of the law.

We will embrace the fighting side of the dogs, but will you embrace the fact that it was free willed americans who did not bow to the letter of the law when it came to the way they lived?

You say, "well, folks now are peddaling the dogs.", do you really think they were not sold to the public then? I have flyer's from John Colby, Jo Mauro, Highland Kennels, Casey Lawrence, Terry Barber(Barber's Pit Dogs), Pete Donovan, Ham Morris, George Mitchel, etc....(need I go on?).

The pit dogs became more of a closed circle in the late 60's to early/mid seventies, and when it became federal, it has just become more of a closed circle. But right now, you can go and purchase a well bred, hot bulldog without knowing the people at all.

So when we go to speaking of the bad rap of the dogs, I have to believe that is from media. Newspapers and TV. Back in the day, if a good act was done, it was big news, now adays, if it is a good act, it is ignored, and if it is a horrible act, it gets put on the front page. It is like the media is our magic magnifying glasses. They focus on the bad, and the bad gets worse. When they focussed on the good, the good grew. I believe that the 60's sexual, music, drug, and homosexual revolution has set our minds this type of thinking. They pour into our minds what they want to preach. Have you ever wondered why Madona wont allow her children to watch tv, or listen to secular music?

As to the having blue dogs and game dogs, I do not see the great evil in it, especially if they are bred seperately. There I said it. I believe that as long as we stand divided, we will fall. Rather than segragate myself from the blue dogs, I would rather seperate myself from the thieves, the child molesters, the folks who cannot keep their word. The ones who say they will do one thing and do another. I would rather align myself with people who call things how they are, and stand by their word. If all bulldog owners were of this type of character, and did not seek to be politically correct, then when you said to someone,"I have pit dogs", they would imediately relate integrity with these wonderfull animals.

So I have given you several things to get offended with me and my words, and that is okay. Because I am who I am, I see things the way I see them. I am teachable, but am not led around by blind people. I have the ability to listen to what people say, keep what is good, and spit out the bones!!

I say if we want to attack something, lets get our aim on the animal rights nuts.

[frenchie1936]

Having a bully or two as a family pet is one thing. But to cash in on the blue bully market just because is something else. And it's actions like that that are detrimental to our dogs!

I had a blue brindle 'pit bull' for 2 years (he's now at a great new home in New Jersey as of this past December). He was a great dog and a great pet. But never in a million years would I have bred him to cash in on a market that is aiding in the destruction of my APBTs.

And there are many people out there who own APBTs from good bloodlines not because they actually love the breed or the dogs themselves, but rather because they love the reputation and the status their dogs bring to them.

So that's why I said what I did.


i totally see your point of view Mia. and i would dare say that the majority of people who own both gamebred APBT's and blues have other motives in mind. but, i don't have the time to talk to everyone and find out. so that's why i said open the book. find out who the person is and what their breeding standards are. it shouldn't take long to find out if it's worth buying. and like i said, you won't find a blue or a bully anywhere near my yard. you can take that to the bank :cool: