Old,Rare,Hard to get,Or just plain extinct blood

[Big Game]

Ok......Not mutch happining on the board lately.So hopefully this will spark some Bulldog talk. The question is, out of all the Old blood, Rare blood, Hard to get youre hands on blood, Or flat out extinct blood( in pure form). What Bloodline would you love to get youre hands on, if it were possable. I'll start with a few that I would love to try. All fall somewhare in one of the above catigorys. Wallace Blood, B.Clouse blood, Some pure Kingfish Blood. Mason Hog/art blood, and last I would love to get some more straight Hemphill blood off or down from Danger. Ok who's Next??

[jman11]

may i ask... what do you have off danger?:)

[Big Game]

Oh yea I forgot one I would love to get some Straight Nebblet blood.

[Big Game]

I had a prospect(Rip) that was a Grandson of Danger. Straight Geranimo/Red Dixie Blood with some outs to Sorrona & Red Devil http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii303/biggamebellestarr/Goodielastnight.jpg http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=147318 Big GameOh yea I forgot one I would love to get some Straight Nebblet blood.

[Mott's APBT's]

Straight Cotton's Bullet blood.Ive got it crossed with maximillian blood. You can get the max stuff a few places .Ive yet to see any straight Bullet blood though. If i ever stumble accross any ill be all over it!Also like to have some more well bred OFRN blood!

[mikelodi]

Id also like some pure Hemphill blood from Danger or Norrad or evan some pure red devil blood.

[bahamutt99]

I wasn't around back in the day to have first-hand knowledge, but I think I would probably like to have some of that old Wallace blood.

[Highbloodbulldog]

Clouse. Dibo.

The next may look curious, but it's not... Colby... back to the begining...

[Big Game]

Good answers..exactly the type of answers I was looking for!

[hillbilly]

i would like some straight Molly Bee blood

[purplepig]

Well, I have some inbred nigerino I am liking, and I have some of FB's stuff also. I have bred them together(which actually they are both Eli), and tried some nice out crosses. But if I could (wishing) I'd love to have something from the Gas House. My grandfather talked bout it enough to make me salavitate

[pitbullin]

Gr. Ch. Art that is all.

[MidnightSkyKnl]

Art & Mason Hog. also wouldn't mind some old Heinzl blood.

[Chef-Kergin]

Art & Mason Hog. also wouldn't mind some old Heinzl blood.there's still less than a handful of sources you can get good stock that's founded on h.h.'s dogs.

just have to know where to look, and be ready to pay for it.

but i hear it's good on its own, or produces monsters crossed with colby or jeep blood.

i had been lookin at that myself.

[Big Game]

Dogs like Area 51:) I know whare thay are at...........Shhhhhhhhhh..Dont let the secret out lol.ther'es still less than a handful of sources you can get good stock that's founded on h.h.'s dogs.

just have to know where to look, and be ready to pay for it.

but i hear it's good on its own, or produces monsters crossed with colby or jeep blood.

i had been lookin at that myself.

[jaystreetsA4]

rare but alive in the area, id like some tight boomerang.

[MinorThreat]

Maloneys Toot or Tombstone from those that have kept it true

[Dred Lok Kennels]

Art & Mason Hog. also wouldn't mind some old Heinzl blood.

Still some around I had a male name Chief that Art/Hog hard to get but don't give up its still out there....

[MidnightSkyKnl]

Still some around I had a male name Chief that Art/Hog hard to get but don't give up its still out there....I had to pass up a 3/4 mason gyp about a year ago she was like 14 times Mason Hog in 7 gens but didn't have the money to get her. I have found some heavy Art blood but can't seem to get a hold of the owner they have just basically fell off the map.

[Big Game]

Dogs like Area 51:) I know whare thay are at...........Shhhhhhhhhh..Dont let the secret out lol. 51 is straight Art/M.hog blood...I misunderstood Kergan......Sooooo...Dredlock...SHHHHHHHH! dont let the secret out! lol oh hell, I caused all 0f this confusion here is his ped. He also has siblings;) http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=244676

[Pipbull]

Still new to researching bloodlines, but I like a lot of Divine stuff that I've seen. Not extinct, but not the most common blood.

[btlover]

I have some of the heavy's Zebo.

[Mott's APBT's]

Still new to researching bloodlines, but I like a lot of Divine stuff that I've seen. Not extinct, but not the most common blood.
Quite a bit of that up here in ohio ,through the Dbl Gr Ch Tornado stuff.Ive got a little.I like the Divine stuff from Morgan kennels.No Tornado so i think it would be interesting to compare the 2 lines.

[undamineknls]

i meet a guy in nc with a pure mason's hog prospect. i would love to have a pure nigerino dog with no out

[Dred Lok Kennels]

51 is straight Art/M.hog blood...I misunderstood Kergan......Sooooo...Dredlock...SHHHHHHHH! dont let the secret out! lol oh hell, I caused all 0f this confusion here is his ped. He also has siblings;) http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=244676I owned a brother to sugersnap and its not about shhhhhh it's about the man don't want to be bothered he has told me many times he is not interested in talking to or meeting anyone new hell I'm waiting to get my hands on some more....

[DRACDOG]

Straight Cotton's Bullet blood.Ive got it crossed with maximillian blood. You can get the max stuff a few places .Ive yet to see any straight Bullet blood though. If i ever stumble accross any ill be all over it!Also like to have some more well bred OFRN blood!Bullet blood up close and as tight as you can get it right here in fla

[DRACDOG]

Still new to researching bloodlines, but I like a lot of Divine stuff that I've seen. Not extinct, but not the most common blood. I run nothing but solid divine and cowboy blood

[Mott's APBT's]

Bullet blood up close and as tight as you can get it right here in flaIve pobably got the tightest bullet blood ive seen.Somethin like 170 times in 10 generations starting in the 6th.But like i said its crossed with Wise's Maximillian.I just like to find it absolutely pure with no outs.The only person ive seen have it tighter is Mr Rocca's personal stock. Theres Assasin I,II,III ,Red B's Ch Red Dog and the gonner strain's but its all crossed.

[CooljoeGoodie]

How about Boudreaux's Check or Ox ?

[CooljoeGoodie]

Still new to researching bloodlines, but I like a lot of Divine stuff that I've seen. Not extinct, but not the most common blood.Hey,PB didn't think to many knew about that line anymore,from what I understand some good ones came from it too,..thinking about it,to use with my brood bitch id 177466.But the source would be the only place to go.lol,Morgans has some damn fine ones too.And oh yeah!!can't for get my favorite Cool Breeze stuff,now thats some hard stuff to get.lol

[claymore]

I'd like some really good rascal.

[Claddagh_Reds]

Someone mentioned Gas House.. That would be something!
What I wouldn't give to be able to get some stock from the likes of Feeley or Lloyd, something off of Galvin's pup, Some of those early imports. I think it would be interesting to see ifwith today's knowledge they would be the same, better or worse..

[Pipbull]

For those that responded to the Divine stuff, I'd love to see some pics and peds if you've got 'em. I don't have a peds online account. If that's thread jacking, just PM me, I always like checking out new stuff. Every dog from that line that I've seen looks so dang different, it's always cool to see them.

[btlover]

I have heavy breed Heinzl dog.

[TripleJ]

Arts missy, And some Boze pups would be nice( just give me boze and missy) Or I would like some Old Ramsey stuff like Arty. Those doge put out some screamers. YIS J

[215pitts]

This shit!
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3337

[Iron Mike]

How about Boudreaux's Check or Ox ?

I must assume this is directed towards me since I owned Boudreaux Check most of his life and Traxlor's Ox 2xw at the end of his. The picture of Check in T.L.'s book was taken in my yard. I also owned Check half sister double bred off Boudreaux Billy Boy named Peaches.
I also owned and cross this blood to stock (Satan 2xw) I bred back 1975 when I bred a straight Williams bred female (Flossie) to Paddy Boy 3xw who was a litter mate to Ch. Rascal.

[Iron Mike]

Someone mentioned Gas House.. That would be something!
What I wouldn't give to be able to get some stock from the likes of Feeley or Lloyd, something off of Galvin's pup, Some of those early imports. I think it would be interesting to see ifwith today's knowledge they would be the same, better or worse..

Next time you come by the house, I will show you a picture of Galvin's Pup and pictures of Feeley and Corvino dogs and a picture of Ch. Billy Sunday with Clark's handwriting with information of who he won over and and time ect. Those pictures appeared in Stratton's books I owned. They came to me from above Joe Corvino's desk.

[BoiBoi]

i would love something with heavy hootens butcher boy in it, or heavy boomerang, although i do know a guy who has one of the heaviest boomerang dogs alive today, so really i guess i can make that happen

[BoiBoi]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=25999

oh and those who know about this blood right here know whats up, I'm definately getting some of this in the near future, not a lot of people know about this dog but i was told by the person who housed him for a while that he was the best he's ever seen

[OnionHead]

I would say Gr Ch 35 not to old but its there

[CrazyHorse]

I guess I have been fortunate to get a dog from an old bloodline.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=265682

[jadedpitgirl]

Since we're just "talking", I would get rid of my entire yard now for something directly off of Midnight Cowboy, or Cowboy himself. Now, since that ain't gonna happen, I'll keep my yard and just continue looking for tightly bred MC dogs.

[BoiBoi]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=111629

gr. ch. dendy, another great one that i would love to get something off of

[Iron Mike]

I guess I have been fortunate to get a dog from an old bloodline.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=265682

Really? hummmmmmmmm
Some places it as common as rain water........

[Iron Mike]

51 is straight Art/M.hog blood...I misunderstood Kergan......Sooooo...Dredlock...SHHHHHHHH! dont let the secret out! lol oh hell, I caused all 0f this confusion here is his ped. He also has siblings;) http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=244676


J mac. LOL there is someone I haven't seen in years.
One of those forgotten or unknown dogmen but had some of the best and so did Norm DeVictor.

[Iron Mike]

This shit!
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3337

BTW I was going to comment on this the other day and thank you posting it.
So much for the BS that OFRN were solid red. I've tried to tell people for years Hemphill dogs weren't solid red and were red and white as so many of the others dogs from the strain of OFRN.

[Iron Mike]

Arts missy, And some Boze pups would be nice( just give me boze and missy) Or I would like some Old Ramsey stuff like Arty. Those doge put out some screamers. YIS J

BTW, my Boudreaux blood of the Boze line also has Ch. Arty in it from Boudreaux Pretty Boy and his sister IT.
I.K. Ox has Lupe, Ch. Rascal sister, in it also.

[TripleJ]

BTW, my Boudreaux blood of the Boze line also has Ch. Arty in it from Boudreaux Pretty Boy and his sister IT.
I.K. Ox has Lupe, Ch. Rascal sister, in it also.i know of those dogs. I loved old man Ramsey, Ray said last time I talked with him he still had a sore spot for Jack Kelly not placing Old Arty as a CH, Even though every one knew he was. Ray put out some monsters in his day And one of the most honest men I have had the pleasure of learning from. YIS J

[215pitts]

It's just sad you can't find anything like that anymore :(


BTW I was going to comment on this the other day and thank you posting it.
So much for the BS that OFRN were solid red. I've tried to tell people for years Hemphill dogs weren't solid red and were red and white as so many of the others dogs from the strain of OFRN.

[Big Game]

Really? hummmmmmmmm
Some places it as common as rain water........
Well Hell I.M. We could use some rain over my way lol:D

[TripleJ]

Well Hell I.M. We could use some rain over my way lol:DIts funny you say that,I allways wanted a little rain in my cup also I bet that would work pretty good. J

[Claddagh_Reds]

Next time you come by the house, I will show you a picture of Galvin's Pup and pictures of Feeley and Corvino dogs and a picture of Ch. Billy Sunday with Clark's handwriting with information of who he won over and and time ect. Those pictures appeared in Stratton's books I owned. They came to me from above Joe Corvino's desk.

Sounds like a deal :D

[btlover]

i like to have same of this.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=102796

[CooljoeGoodie]

Where's the Benny Bob or Everetts Buck at...got a young bitch,like to see if it'll work

[CooljoeGoodie]

RS you just put me on another mission....lol..nice

[Outsider]

BTW, my Boudreaux blood of the Boze line also has Ch. Arty in it from Boudreaux Pretty Boy and his sister IT.
I.K. Ox has Lupe, Ch. Rascal sister, in it also.

I've got this one....
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=182081

[Iron Mike]

I've got this one....
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=182081

MEADOW'S HURRICANE (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=7597) was bred by Jimmy D who owned American Kennels.
Most of his dogs were sold to Yogo and the rest went to a friend of mine named Garland Mc.
We did a few breedding together.

[MinorThreat]

The Hollingsworth Dogs, not extinct but not much of it around

[jbh38]

Since we're just "talking", I would get rid of my entire yard now for something directly off of Midnight Cowboy, or Cowboy himself. Now, since that ain't gonna happen, I'll keep my yard and just continue looking for tightly bred MC dogs.

I'm with you on the Cowboy blood. I'd love to have a dog off him

[SPFDOGS]

If I had the opportunity to breed to a dog from an earlier era it would probably have to be Finley's Ch.Bo ..He produced many notable dogs from various bitches..

Im not sure how many time Le June's ChinaTom(Chinaman x Chinagirl) was bred(as he died young)but I sure would have like to get something bred to him..GrCh.Rags,Ch.Kae,Ch.Big Ignorant,& Ch.T Bone are just a few dogs bred down from him..
Hobbs' Bounty Hunter (Chinaman x Tuffy) is also a dog that would be very high on my list of "Dream Studs"..Both ChinaTom & Bounty Hunter died in the prime of their lives,so I would pick either one of these as a "rare" dog to breed to..

[Outsider]

If I had the opportunity to breed to a dog from an earlier era it would probably have to be Finley's Ch.Bo ..He produced many notable dogs from various bitches..

Im not sure how many time Le June's ChinaTom(Chinaman x Chinagirl) was bred(as he died young)but I sure would have like to get something bred to him..GrCh.Rags,Ch.Kae,Ch.Big Ignorant,& Ch.T Bone are just a few dogs bred down from him..
Hobbs' Bounty Hunter (Chinaman x Tuffy) is also a dog that would be very high on my list of "Dream Studs"..Both ChinaTom & Bounty Hunter died in the prime of their lives,so I would pick either one of these as a "rare" dog to breed to..

Agree..Finley's Bo was helluva producer!

[ROSE]

I must assume this is directed towards me since I owned Boudreaux Check most of his life and Traxlor's Ox 2xw at the end of his. The picture of Check in T.L.'s book was taken in my yard. I also owned Check half sister double bred off Boudreaux Billy Boy named Peaches.
I also owned and cross this blood to stock (Satan 2xw) I bred back 1975 when I bred a straight Williams bred female (Flossie) to Paddy Boy 3xw who was a litter mate to Ch. Rascal.
I always wondered what happened to Traxlers Ox,I had a pair off of him bred to Hydes Rosemary in 89.Dudley and Delaney.

[realonebulldog]

In a book I saw a picture of a dog with the name Mose. The owner was Carl Mims.
I dont know why but that dog impressed me much....I would try to get some blood from that line....
Maybe someone knows more about that dog.

[SPFDOGS]

Mimm's Moses was off Snooty..His breeder was quoted as saying he was the gamest animal he had ever bred..

[Claddagh_Reds]

that picture is in one of R. Stratton's books and I beleive it is Jeff Burke standing with the dog.

Moses was a son of Mose (Mose is the dog in the book, not Moses)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3054

[realonebulldog]

that picture is in one of R. Stratton's books and I beleive it is Jeff Burke standing with the dog.

Moses was a son of Mose (Mose is the dog in the book, not Moses)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3054

I would call that a fine pedigree...or?

[purplepig]

I would also like to have Tudor's Black Jack.

[SPFDOGS]

that picture is in one of R. Stratton's books and I beleive it is Jeff Burke standing with the dog.

Moses was a son of Mose (Mose is the dog in the book, not Moses)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3054

I stand corrected..

[SPFDOGS]

I would call that a fine pedigree...or?

I would call that a fine pedigree..

[spaceghost]

wouldn't mind some bolt action

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=77

[frenchie1936]

i would love to get some really tight carver blood. i don't have the resources to go south of the border though. anyone know where i can get it really tight here in the states?

[jeeperino]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=249259

What yall know about that????

[bullydogs]

I would love something directly off of one of Honeybunch's best sons...

I.J. Weehunt

[Dr_jitsu]

Mike,

I have been e-mailing you and calling and leaving phone messages for nearly 2 weeks. Can you please return my call/e-mail?

Thanks.

In regards to the OT, I would love to get some old Wallace blood.

[realonebulldog]

http://www.freewebs.com/clousedogs/BUTCHER%20BOY%20AT%20JAKES.jpg

[Iron Mike]

Mike,

I have been e-mailing you and calling and leaving phone messages for nearly 2 weeks. Can you please return my call/e-mail?

Thanks.

In regards to the OT, I would love to get some old Wallace blood.

Been in and out of town on several matters, family and business.
I have returned your emails and calls.
You won't see my number when I call from the cell phone.
Everything is up to date.

[Dr_jitsu]

Thanks Mike,

I just left you a message.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I would love something directly off of one of Honeybunch's best sons...

I.J. Weehunt

Out of all the Honeybunch dogs, you chose Weehunt? With all due respect, out of all of them, i would choose Weehunt blood last....if it was free and included feed for two years...lmao



Mike,

I have been e-mailing you and calling and leaving phone messages for nearly 2 weeks. Can you please return my call/e-mail?

Thanks.

In regards to the OT, I would love to get some old Wallace blood.


Did you not just post something about your interest in a different blood? :confused:

I hope you do not plan on crossing, crossing, crossing and ruining two good bloods in the process. My apologies if I misunderstood.

[Texbull]

Is there any books or maybe even a website where I can learn about all the different bloodlines (new & old)?

[bullydogs]

Out of all the Honeybunch dogs, you chose Weehunt? With all due respect, out of all of them, i would choose Weehunt blood last....if it was free and included feed for two years...lmao






I like the stuff nobody wants......:)

[Big Game]

Out of all the Honeybunch dogs, you chose Weehunt? With all due respect, out of all of them, i would choose Weehunt blood last....if it was free and included feed for two years...lmao




Did you not just post something about your interest in a different blood? :confused:

I hope you do not plan on crossing, crossing, crossing and ruining two good bloods in the process. My apologies if I misunderstood.

Rocky he has one pup The pup he is looking at is essentualy the exact same blood with a quarter out. (to Rascal I belive) He is also suposed to be getting a Pup off of I.M.'s yard. If he were to mix it up throwing some ofrn blood into the mix He would not be running any blood IMHO.

[Dr_jitsu]

Rocky he has one pup The pup he is looking at is essentualy the exact same blood with a quarter out. (to Rascal I belive) He is also suposed to be getting a Pup off of I.M.'s yard. If he were to mix it up throwing some ofrn blood into the mix He would not be running any blood IMHO.

Correct, Big game. The mayday/barracuda pup I have, if you go back about 3 generations, is based on the same dogs as the Return/Jesse James pup.

And actually, my pup, if you go back 6 generations isn't that dissimilar from some of Mikes stuff (heavy Red boy), Of course it would be an outcross even though my girl has a red nose and stunning green eyes.

I was not really planning on doing a breeding, however. I would only breed if I could produce something really special.

[letmeride]

im wit tha purple pig gas house all day on hoods

[realpitbull]

I want me some good ol fashioned OFRN :(

[215pitts]

So would I! This best stuff I've seen so far (Just my thoughts) is in IL.:cool:

[Texbull]

I'd love to get me a OFRN, such beautiful dogs.

[spaceghost]

are these true OFRN dogs? http://flametreekennels.net/

[CrazyHorse]

215pitts could you post a ped on the OFRN dogs in Illinois? I am always on the lookout for performance OFRN dogs. 215 were speaking from first hand knowledge and are the dogs pet, conformation or performance dogs?

[215pitts]

I believe Flametree is from Philly. I have emailed him a few times.

are these true OFRN dogs? http://flametreekennels.net/

[215pitts]

Check PM!!!!!!!!

215pitts could you post a ped on the OFRN dogs in Illinois? I am always on the lookout for performance OFRN dogs. 215 were speaking from first hand knowledge and are the dogs pet, conformation or performance dogs?

[BoiBoi]

I'm pretty sure flametree is nothing more than purdy dogs and purdy peds. I'd go elsewhere for "real" OFRN

[215pitts]

:):):)...no comment!


I'm pretty sure flametree is nothing more than purdy dogs and purdy peds. I'd go elsewhere for "real" OFRN

[Texbull]

What do yall think about these guys? http://www.southtexaszebodogs.com/

[Vindiesel919]

Straight Cotton's Bullet blood.Ive got it crossed with maximillian blood. You can get the max stuff a few places .Ive yet to see any straight Bullet blood though. If i ever stumble accross any ill be all over it!Also like to have some more well bred OFRN blood!

I have to agree with the Cotten's Bullet. I have 2 dogs that are 50% Bullet. The male is off Triplett's Rex Jr and the bottom is of Evan Ms. Four Which is off Edward's Stoney and I think Woods' Cocoa I'm not shore dont have the paper in front of me. That male is 15 years old and still on fire and producing. The female is the same bullet stuff except younger abd off a diferant dog. I also know a man that has a tight tight damn near pure Bullet bitch that he will sell for the right price and have a friend that is a friend of the Beckers which Breeds Bullet dogs down here and owned Ch. Beckers Red Dog R.O.M. which is a Bullet dog.

[BluegrassAPBTC]

I am doing a breeding to this dog next weekend. Rare blood I would like to think so. The dog is 10yrs old http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=116108

[Junebug]

Don't know much about bulldogs but i would like to see something directly out of I.D Cole's yard. From my understanding, he was always willing to put one on the ground for you when they weren't chasing hogs....... Hard tested.

[ROSE]

I have to agree with the Cotten's Bullet. I have 2 dogs that are 50% Bullet. The male is off Triplett's Rex Jr and the bottom is of Evan Ms. Four Which is off Edward's Stoney and I think Woods' Cocoa I'm not shore dont have the paper in front of me. That male is 15 years old and still on fire and producing. The female is the same bullet stuff except younger abd off a diferant dog. I also know a man that has a tight tight damn near pure Bullet bitch that he will sell for the right price and have a friend that is a friend of the Beckers which Breeds Bullet dogs down here and owned Ch. Beckers Red Dog R.O.M. which is a Bullet dog.
How is it that you have a male thats 50% bullet where as beckers red dog was only 31% himself? a lot of people just pull numbers out of the air.I had the pleasure of seeing red dog yrsssss.ago.along with D/Walker.and a lot of his offsprings were not his.IM can tell you about red and b/john.

[Big Game]

I am doing a breeding to this dog next weekend. Rare blood I would like to think so. The dog is 10yrs old http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=116108

Nice, I'd say that is old blood. What are you taking him to???

[purplepig]

I have a real tight bred Carver bitch. She's a handfull!!

[BluegrassAPBTC]

Nice, I'd say that is old blood. What are you taking him to???

He is going to a rascal bred bitch. A cross that my partner did years back that produced some good ones

[Virgil dogs]

How is it that you have a male thats 50% bullet where as beckers red dog was only 31% himself? a lot of people just pull numbers out of the air.I had the pleasure of seeing red dog yrsssss.ago.along with D/Walker.and a lot of his offsprings were not his.IM can tell you about red and b/john.
What do you mean ''alot of his offsprings were not his''?

[XxKonnectionsxX]

I have a real tight bred Carver bitch. She's a handfull!!


If you don't mind, can I see a ped on this dog? I have some carver stuff as well...

[ROSE]

What do you mean ''alot of his offsprings were not his''?
What i meant is that the dog was dead and still producing pups without artificial insemination.

[Virgil dogs]

So your saying someone was hanging papers off Red Dog?Who might that be?

[masta of game]

Rose said the same thing about a breeding i was asking about

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27443

i still wanna know why he said so.. if he can back his claim.

Rose u can pm if u want

[ROSE]

Rose said the same thing about a breeding i was asking about

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27443

i still wanna know why he said so.. if he can back his claim.

Rose u can pm if u want
Check your PM.

[Virgil dogs]

What i meant is that the dog was dead and still producing pups without artificial insemination.
Thats just bullshit.You cant name any cause there are none.

[ROSE]

Thats just bullshit.You cant name any cause there are none.
YOU CAN SIT BACK AND BE IGNORANT TO THE FACT IF YOU WANT.WERE YOU THERE ?NO. SPEAK ON WHAT YOU KNOW OF AND NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.:eek: WAS I THERE ?YES. TALK TO THE OLE TIMERS IN MICH. IF YOU KNOW OF ANY. SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS NOT WHAT ONES WANT TO HEAR.

[TripleJ]

What i meant is that the dog was dead and still producing pups without artificial insemination.Why is that so hard for any one to understand. This world is full of crap all the time really a lot of dogs arnt bred the way people THINK they are you HAVE to breed them your self before you can be 100% sure how they are bred. J

[ROSE]

You are ever so right TJ,its only when the newbies that were not there argue with the ones who really know these same issues came up in the early 90's and there was a big write up on that subject.when i don't know i sit back listen do research and try to learn.

[Virgil dogs]

YOU CAN SIT BACK AND BE IGNORANT TO THE FACT IF YOU WANT.WERE YOU THERE ?NO. SPEAK ON WHAT YOU KNOW OF AND NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.:eek: WAS I THERE ?YES. TALK TO THE OLE TIMERS IN MICH. IF YOU KNOW OF ANY. SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS NOT WHAT ONES WANT TO HEAR.
I was and AM there .I talk to Red weekly.I know what happened with big john,Red dog beat him in almost 4 hours.Now maybe someone in Mich might be hangen papers but you didnt name anyone or dogs that were supposed to be off Red dog.So dont talk shit about being ignorant .Red B is the most straght up guy I ever met in dogs and I know alot of them so talk your bullshit to some of the rookies on here cause you aint bullshiting me.

[Virgil dogs]

Why is that so hard for any one to understand. This world is full of crap all the time really a lot of dogs arnt bred the way people THINK they are you HAVE to breed them your self before you can be 100% sure how they are bred. J
I'll tell you why its so hard to believe cause this guy Red B IS THE BEST DOGMAN OUT THERE.He is not someone who would hang a paper on ANY DOG thats why.It aint in him.Ask a real dog man if you know any they will set you straight on that.

[bullydogs]

Just a reminder guys. Lets keep it clean.

6. Argue with posts, not the poster. Debating topics are good, but arguing, flaming, or bashing between members or of any off-site person, site, or kennel is not acceptable and will not be tolerated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Firm and direct constructive criticism is encouraged and often necessary, outright insults are not.

[Big Game]

I'll tell you why its so hard to believe cause this guy Red B IS THE BEST DOGMAN OUT THERE.He is not someone who would hang a paper on ANY DOG thats why.It aint in him.Ask a real dog man if you know any they will set you straight on that.

In my limeted dealings with the man he has always ben a strait up, stand up guy. Always willing to help. His reputation is solid around these parts. I know a couple of people that are good friends of his. I've never herd a negative word about him. Just my 2 Cents. Big Game

[Big Game]

Just a reminder guys. Lets keep it clean.

6. Argue with posts, not the poster. Debating topics are good, but arguing, flaming, or bashing between members or of any off-site person, site, or kennel is not acceptable and will not be tolerated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Firm and direct constructive criticism is encouraged and often necessary, outright insults are not.
Man You don't waste any time getting to work do ya. Lol Congratts on making Moderator.

[Outsider]

Gr. Ch. Art that is all.


AGREE!! GR CH ART...that is all!

[Big Game]

AGREE!! GR CH ART...that is all!
My favorite dog of all time. I love the history/contraversy surrounding this ace of a bulldog. Straight up Performer. Equaly as great as a producer. The few who still have this blood should consider themselfs Privliged. Big Game

[ROSE]

I was and AM there .I talk to Red weekly.I know what happened with big john,Red dog beat him in almost 4 hours.Now maybe someone in Mich might be hangen papers but you didnt name anyone or dogs that were supposed to be off Red dog.So dont talk shit about being ignorant .Red B is the most straght up guy I ever met in dogs and I know alot of them so talk your bullshit to some of the rookies on here cause you aint bullshiting me.
Maurice Carver was the most straight up guy that i ever met,but every one will not agree with me on that subject.NO WHERE in any of my replies did i ever say that RED whom i respect hung any papers.i said that all of the dogs registered to him were not his.do the math.after that party look for the dogs and who owned them,i am not one to give out names of people especially when i don't know who im talking to.and if you were present ,I was co/owner of B/John.we loaned him out for that one.

[jeeperino]

Big game some of the purest Art blood youll find is right under your nose. You probably know who im talkin about, but I wouldnt deal with the man if he had Art himself up for stud.

[Iron Mike]

I'll tell you why its so hard to believe cause this guy Red B IS THE BEST DOGMAN OUT THERE.He is not someone who would hang a paper on ANY DOG thats why.It aint in him.Ask a real dog man if you know any they will set you straight on that.

Red B. and Fergie. LOL there is a pair I wouldn't set down and play cards with. LOL

Well, anyone who matches a dog is an outlaw so who can say any of them are honest?
But when I went up that way years ago, I always enjoyed them.
Best dogman? I have to say that is a bit of a stretch. :)

[Iron Mike]

My favorite dog of all time. I love the history/contraversy surrounding this ace of a bulldog. Straight up Performer. Equaly as great as a producer. The few who still have this blood should consider themselfs Privliged. Big Game

Hell of a dog. When Buns & CO. and I went to Polar Bear, Art proved he was a finisher... Top quality of a dog. Back then dogs weren't bred as often as they are today.
He did produce some good ones.
R. Carter didn't feel Ch. Joe was that good of a producer and I didn't think Ch. Mike was.
I got some from the Yankee Boys dog from Joe I like.
In fact YB Gr. Ch. Art's dam side was Ch. Joe.

Who has the tightest and the best????
Who has it bred as said is the better question and that is J. Mac. & N. Devic.
I know this as a fact. These are dogs I seen...
Also I liked watching Ch. Bumper in Motown and his sister Buns had.
Ch. 410 was pretty good of Luke of R.S.
Luke might have produced better then he was because Fargo was no joke for him and Buns and I thought NY. Ny. was better then Fargo but they didn't care to find out.

And for those to make claim about having Art blood after he was gone. BS. Art went back to where he came from and wasn't around the GL area!
Tadpole sounds familor? :)

[Iron Mike]

YOU CAN SIT BACK AND BE IGNORANT TO THE FACT IF YOU WANT.WERE YOU THERE ?NO. SPEAK ON WHAT YOU KNOW OF AND NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.:eek: WAS I THERE ?YES. TALK TO THE OLE TIMERS IN MICH. IF YOU KNOW OF ANY. SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS NOT WHAT ONES WANT TO HEAR.

AND THE QUESTION IS?
If it is about OS for get it.
I've had my fill of making calls without anything happening.
I wash my hands of that mess along time ago...

Or don't I qualify? I knew every dogman in the midwest including Big Brad as well. If you remember him and was around, you should remember how he died?????

[Iron Mike]

Maurice Carver was the most straight up guy that i ever met,but every one will not agree with me on that subject.NO WHERE in any of my replies did i ever say that RED whom i respect hung any papers.i said that all of the dogs registered to him were not his.do the math.after that party look for the dogs and who owned them,i am not one to give out names of people especially when i don't know who im talking to.and if you were present ,I was co/owner of B/John.we loaned him out for that one.

Come on! LOL I liked old Maurice but he was anything but straight,
in fact he was BI-.:eek:

He was a killer, drug dealer and a pimp.
These are not things I look for in a person with morles or honesty.
Paper hanging? Hell I don't remember him registering dogs so how did he hang papers.
He sold match dogs, not stud dogs...

[Iron Mike]

I guess over the years I forget a few things like
ahhhhhhh what was it happened between Red B. and Gr. Ch. Country? :)

[ROSE]

Come on! LOL I liked old Maurice but he was anything but straight,
in fact he was BI-.:eek:

He was a killer, drug dealer and a pimp.
These are not things I look for in a person with morles or honesty.
Paper hanging? Hell I don't remember him registering dogs so how did he hang papers.
He sold match dogs, not stud dogs...
HELLO IM,I just threw ole maurice in as a joke.all these things you say are true,but not known by many. PS.ole man FAIRCHILD passed about 3 weeks ago.first JIM,TOMMY,now FAIR.

[ROSE]

AND THE QUESTION IS?
If it is about OS for get it.
I've had my fill of making calls without anything happening.
I wash my hands of that mess along time ago...

Or don't I qualify? I knew every dogman in the midwest including Big Brad as well. If you remember him and was around, you should remember how he died?????
I had my disputes with O/S as well,especially when he denied that Audery wasn't a cur,and that virgil wasn't out of red danger.Brad should have gone to bed with one eye opened.

[ROSE]

Hell of a dog. When Buns & CO. and I went to Polar Bear, Art proved he was a finisher... Top quality of a dog. Back then dogs weren't bred as often as they are today.
He did produce some good ones.
R. Carter didn't feel Ch. Joe was that good of a producer and I didn't think Ch. Mike was.
I got some from the Yankee Boys dog from Joe I like.
In fact YB Gr. Ch. Art's dam side was Ch. Joe.

Who has the tightest and the best????
Who has it bred as said is the better question and that is J. Mac. & N. Devic.
I know this as a fact. These are dogs I seen...
Also I liked watching Ch. Bumper in Motown and his sister Buns had.
Ch. 410 was pretty good of Luke of R.S.
Luke might have produced better then he was because Fargo was no joke for him and Buns and I thought NY. Ny. was better then Fargo but they didn't care to find out.

And for those to make claim about having Art blood after he was gone. BS. Art went back to where he came from and wasn't around the GL area!
Tadpole sounds familor? :)
What ever happened to that Lefty dog that Buns had?I gave him his gr.ch. I missed NY.NY but i know that he didn't lose to Capone,the dogs name was Batman.Capone was never contract showned.

[Iron Mike]

HELLO IM,I just threw ole maurice in as a joke.all these things you say are true,but not known by many. PS.ole man FAIRCHILD passed about 3 weeks ago.first JIM,TOMMY,now FAIR.

ahhhhhhhh DAM!
I liked ole man Fairchild.......
NOW there someone who had some great dogs!
One was Corvino's Iron Will...

[Iron Mike]

I had my disputes with O/S as well,especially when he denied that Audery wasn't a cur,and that virgil wasn't out of red danger.Brad should have gone to bed with one eye opened.


Very good Rose.
Nice to read someone who knows what they are talking about. :))))

How come I feel like I know you but not by this handle. LOL LOL

[Iron Mike]

What ever happened to that Lefty dog that Buns had?I gave him his gr.ch. I missed NY.NY but i know that he didn't lose to Capone,the dogs name was Batman.Capone was never contract showned.


Okay, now I know you must have been there because my brother and I were the only ones who knew the dog's name was Batman and came from Pat. BTW, Ch. Mike also died that same night as Gr. Ch. Ny. Ny.
And you know who judged #1 & #6? :D

Gr. Ch. Lefty, okay, I know who you are now! LOL HOWDEYYYYY

Well you know Frank and how he was when he got on a bender.
He got drunk and forgot were he hide him across the street and he straved to death.
That is why when one was retired they were better off with someone else...:(

[Virgil dogs]

Red B. and Fergie. LOL there is a pair I wouldn't set down and play cards with. LOL

Well, anyone who matches a dog is an outlaw so who can say any of them are honest?
But when I went up that way years ago, I always enjoyed them.
Best dogman? I have to say that is a bit of a stretch. :)
Now let me tell ya Red is as honest as they come but Fergie you nailed it ask Ratlif about that (playin cards).He used to stop by fergies place every pay day and go home broke.You may have met Joe D insted of Red?Cause those two were a pair of hustlers,except when they went to Buffalo and mixed it up with the real hustlers.lol
About country,that was a joke,Red told Pitts ''if it goes an hour Ill pick him up.Charlie was fanged the whole time but was killin him none the less ask anyone there.But Red being the honest guy he is picked up charlie at an hour.He offered Pitts $1,000 just to put the two together again,after he had charlies lips trimed.Pitts wouldnt do it.I was with Fergie when he bought country in Pittsburg.They had no papers and no idea how he was bred.His first win was for a bag of dog food.After that thing with Charlie all of a sudden wow they found the papers and who was he out of...the biggest puppy peddler in Ohio.Wow go figure.
That was the only loss on his record and all who were there know how that would have turned out.He went into some great dogs and dogmen without a loss.Can you say that?I know I can't.

[Virgil dogs]

Maurice Carver was the most straight up guy that i ever met,but every one will not agree with me on that subject.NO WHERE in any of my replies did i ever say that RED whom i respect hung any papers.i said that all of the dogs registered to him were not his.do the math.after that party look for the dogs and who owned them,i am not one to give out names of people especially when i don't know who im talking to.and if you were present ,I was co/owner of B/John.we loaned him out for that one.
Ya your right you didnt say anything about Red.I'm sorry to have snapped at you.The guy is my best friend and a hell of a dogman.
If you came up with D.Walker I think we may have played golf or at least tryed?
By the way Frank use to drink a six pack for breakfast every day and go lay bricks,I never seen him sober.
Big John was a hell of a bulldog.Most go there whole life and never see one that good.

[Iron Mike]

"Virgil dogs;279649]Now let me tell ya Red is as honest as they come but Fergie you nailed it ask Ratlif about that (playin cards).He used to stop by fergies place every pay day and go home broke."

That was a figure of speach.

"You may have met Joe D insted of Red?Cause those two were a pair of hustlers,except when they went to Buffalo and mixed it up with the real hustlers.lol"

Are you serious? Who I met? I know who Red B is. LOL
I think I can remember the Gr. Ch. Luther met Ziggie's dog and Noonie ran into Dennis from the North of the boarder with a son of Ch. Milou.
Do I refresh anyone's memory? lol
BTW there were 2 Joe D.s.

"About country,that was a joke,Red told Pitts ''if it goes an hour Ill pick him up.Charlie was fanged the whole time but was killin him none the less ask anyone there."

He told him 45 min. The story changes every time it is told. :)
I don't need to ask anyone else.
I also knew Pitts.

"But Red being the honest guy he is picked up charlie at an hour.He offered Pitts $1,000 just to put the two together again,after he had charlies lips trimed.Pitts wouldnt do it."

Really? Nice to hear the story from someone who heard it years later.
Since it was pre-arranged why didn't Red B. do it that way in the first place instead of making this a short time bet. This WASN'T OTC....
Charlie was getting up in age and if it went long Charlie might not have been around afterwards even if he did win..

"I was with Fergie when he bought country in Pittsburg.They had no papers and no idea how he was bred.His first win was for a bag of dog food.After that thing with Charlie all of a sudden wow they found the papers and who was he out of...the biggest puppy peddler in Ohio.Wow go figure."

You know, I always like to ask very easy questions to people when they make statements how they know someone.
This is my question for you about Fergie.
If you knew Fergie, what kind of fence did he have around his yard and what did he keep off to the far left. Also what kind mill did he use and where did he keep it. BTW, no fair asking Red B. these questions.:)
BTW, when a very well known dogman got out of dogs and Fergie got them all, who was that well known PA. dogman?

"That was the only loss on his record and all who were there know how that would have turned out.He went into some great dogs and dogmen without a loss.Can you say that?I know I can't."

LOL are you serious???????
Long before Red B. got into dogs!

[Iron Mike]

"Virgil dogs;279650]Ya your right you didnt say anything about Red.I'm sorry to have snapped at you.The guy is my best friend and a hell of a dogman.
By the way Frank use to drink a six pack for breakfast every day and go lay bricks,I never seen him sober."

I have no doubt you know Red B., many do.
He has had some good dogs and has done well with them.
But don't try and speak about a dogman like Frank.

I knew Frank better then most.
In fact when he died we were suppose to be on our way to IA.
Frank had his faults and I personally saw times were I thought Red could have used better behavior.

To say Frank was a drunk all the time isn't true.
When Frank died he hadn't drank in along time.
Frank and I were like road dogs at the end.
Before that I saw and done a lot of things with Buns and Co. over the years. In fact he also was with us the night with Luther and Ziggy, because Luther was already been to #2 @ Buns. Though the 6 min deal wasn't nothing to behold.
He went with me when I took the pups to McNasty off Joey.
McNasty and Buns, as well as myself knew each other over some time.
This was after K.G. & Co.'s Ch. Red Dog's litter mate brother Bun's Ugly 1xw proved DG into Joey @ the CH. show.
Frank was having trouble breathing then because of "Black Lung".
He could barely walk around the house to the dogs that day.

As far as dogmen's record, I will compare the many grand champions Frank had to Red B.'s record anyday...

[Virgil dogs]

"Virgil dogs;279649]Now let me tell ya Red is as honest as they come but Fergie you nailed it ask Ratlif about that (playin cards).He used to stop by fergies place every pay day and go home broke."

That was a figure of speach.

"You may have met Joe D insted of Red?Cause those two were a pair of hustlers,except when they went to Buffalo and mixed it up with the real hustlers.lol"

Are you serious? Who I met? I know who Red B is. LOL
I think I can remember the Gr. Ch. Luther met Ziggie's dog and Noonie ran into Dennis from the North of the boarder with a son of Ch. Milou.
Do I refresh anyone's memory? lol
BTW there were 2 Joe D.s.

"About country,that was a joke,Red told Pitts ''if it goes an hour Ill pick him up.Charlie was fanged the whole time but was killin him none the less ask anyone there."

He told him 45 min. The story changes every time it is told. :)
I don't need to ask anyone else.
I also knew Pitts.

"But Red being the honest guy he is picked up charlie at an hour.He offered Pitts $1,000 just to put the two together again,after he had charlies lips trimed.Pitts wouldnt do it."

Really? Nice to hear the story from someone who heard it years later.
Since it was pre-arranged why didn't Red B. do it that way in the first place instead of making this a short time bet. This WASN'T OTC....
Charlie was getting up in age and if it went long Charlie might not have been around afterwards even if he did win..

"I was with Fergie when he bought country in Pittsburg.They had no papers and no idea how he was bred.His first win was for a bag of dog food.After that thing with Charlie all of a sudden wow they found the papers and who was he out of...the biggest puppy peddler in Ohio.Wow go figure."

You know, I always like to ask very easy questions to people when they make statements how they know someone.
This is my question for you about Fergie.
If you knew Fergie, what kind of fence did he have around his yard and what did he keep off to the far left. Also what kind mill did he use and where did he keep it. BTW, no fair asking Red B. these questions.:)
BTW, when a very well known dogman got out of dogs and Fergie got them all, who was that well known PA. dogman?

"That was the only loss on his record and all who were there know how that would have turned out.He went into some great dogs and dogmen without a loss.Can you say that?I know I can't."

LOL are you serious???????
Long before Red B. got into dogs!
Oh wow a test from the master.Let me see I was only at the ferg's place about a million times but i will try to remember.
He didn't have a fence around his yard per say.He had hog pannels around his dog yard though.The back left of the yard was were the dogs were.His mill was a belt mill in the room off the kitchen,that lead to the back door.The PA dog man you are referring to was John Pachoccie(?spelling)and I would never refer to him as a dog man as he got sick at the site of blood.Do you want to know if his step daughter was a good piece of ass I know that to.
So you knew Blair Hetrick?Cause thats who started Red in the dogs.Now are YOU serious,you never lost?lol Ya right.
About hearing that story years later bullshit pal I was there were you?And it was an hour not 45 min YOUR WRONG.I'll bet the farm on that.And please Charlie might not have made it you have got to be kidding,and I thought you were a dogman.Thats why he won another AFTER that one at 6 1/2yrs.And by the way just to show what a bulldog GrChCharlie was he beat Ch toro when he had heartworm!
I have paid my dues pal I dont need to kiss no ass,knowing a few of the great dogmen means nothing but being respected by them means alot.I can go to just about any oldtimers place on the east coast and be welcome.Now did I pass your test.

[Virgil dogs]

I didnt mean any dis respect to Frank I knew him for years so dont get your panties in a bunch.I never did see him sober so what if he was alive he would say the same thing about me.I liked the shit out of him and he ALWAYS brought a game dog.

[bullydogs]

Guys, a little too much personal information is being thrown around here. I think the discussion of certain individuals( past/present) (dead, alive) are better suited in Private Messages.

Thanks for your understanding.:)

[SPFDOGS]

I respectfully disagree..If a person is deceased I see nothing wrong with using names,but I if said person is alive I would definetly use only initials..

Also,I dont know about the rest of you,but I would MUCH rather read what real dogmen have to say/post than what pet owners/newbies etc have to say..Just my opinion..

[bullydogs]

28. Keep your posts on the topic the thread was originally created for. For different topics, make a new thread in the appropriate forum. If you feel like chatting, there is a chat room available.

[Iron Mike]

"He didn't have a fence around his yard per say.He had hog pannels around his dog yard though."

"Oh wow a test from the master.Let me see I was only at the ferg's place about a million times but i will try to remember."

Well I can see you must have missed the fact they were clearly split wood logs he would use to heat his house. The fence was about 6 feet high and as he used some up he would replace them. Since you were there a million times you should have been able to tell they weren't hog panels...
In his back yard where the dogs were, kept inside this split log fence, he kept off the ground, Cajun Style whelping pens.

"His mill was a belt mill in the room off the kitchen,that lead to the back door."

The room off the kitchen was a food panty and sometimes he would let females whelp pups there. When Billy Jack was a pup he had a couple females from time to time have pups there. The room wasn't big enough to work a dog.
But you were close. The mill was kept right outside that room IN THE KITCHEN.
Yes, it was a belt but I was hoping, if you saw it, you indulge about it a little more. It was much more then just a belt mill.
It was like a piece of furniture. The frame was wood and stained and varnished. It was wide and the belt was like a rubber. Though this mill turned with the greatest of ease. You could stand a pup on it and the mill would let it roll right down it because it was so free turning. It was based after the old Walter's mills. Kind of like the late Jim Culbertson use to make, but way, way better.

"The PA dog man you are referring to was John Pachoccie(?spelling)and I would never refer to him as a dog man as he got sick at the site of blood.Do you want to know if his step daughter was a good piece of ass I know that to.
So you knew Blair Hetrick?Cause thats who started Red in the dogs.Now are YOU serious,you never lost?lol Ya right."

Yes, I knew Blair for years and it was Blair who Fergie got the dogs from. He might have got dogs from John but Fergie got Blair's dogs. Everyone knew that. Fergie lived down the street from Red and since Fergie was in dogs before Red this must have been how Red came to know him.
BTW you got that right...0!
Just like Red only lost once. lol

"About hearing that story years later bullshit pal I was there were you?And it was an hour not 45 min YOUR WRONG.I'll bet the farm on that."

LOL But you still didn't answer the question. Since it wasn't OTC why didn't he do it the way he wanted to in the first place? :)
Why didn't he go double or nothing at the time instead of picking up? That way there wouldn't have been the lost and they could have known for sure right then?
Why dis a Gr. Ch.? Country won 5. That means 5x people thought they could get by him and 5x times they didn't!

"And please Charlie might not have made it you have got to be kidding,and I thought you were a dogman."

Careful on the dising...there is no doubt is there?

"Thats why he won another AFTER that one at 6 1/2yrs.And by the way just to show what a bulldog GrChCharlie was he beat Ch toro when he had heartworm!"

The late Pit Bull Rick had already lost with Toro. I think that was a safe bet. Rick also lost with Ch. Z Boy.
BTW, the standard for reference to a Gr. Ch. by SDJ is, a dog can not have a lost. Now I can see the reference if the dog won 5 before the lost but this wasn't the case with Ch. Charlie.

"I have paid my dues pal I dont need to kiss no ass,knowing a few of the great dogmen means nothing but being respected by them means alot.I can go to just about any oldtimers place on the east coast and be welcome.Now did I pass your test."

Then I'm sure we have crossed paths over the years.
Since you've been around so long and paid your dues then you remember the show I spoke of and was there. RIGHT? You SHOULD because of the spot......!
If you were there and hang out with every one including Frank, then you knew Frank was the right of me and Captain Ben was to the left of me.
Remember the debate about Gr. Ch. Luther and who it was with?
I remember the year, do you? I mean you knowing Red, Fergie and Frank and all for so long.

[Iron Mike]

Guys, a little too much personal information is being thrown around here. I think the discussion of certain individuals( past/present) (dead, alive) are better suited in Private Messages.

Thanks for your understanding.:)

Oh I agree on the names.
But please remember, these are the handles they reported under in SDJ.
None of these are their real names.
So far even the ones that have died, their last names hasn't been posted.

[Iron Mike]

"Virgil dogs;279658]I didnt mean any dis respect to Frank I knew him for years so dont get your panties in a bunch."

Are you trying to be cute with the a sexist remark because men don't wear panties or are you wanting to find out who sqwats to pee?
Anyway, don't worry about it. I free ball it anyway. ROTFL!

"I never did see him sober so what if he was alive he would say the same thing about me.I liked the shit out of him and he ALWAYS brought a game dog."

Well, Vir you must have not known Frank that long or would have seen him sober many times like I have.
I remember when he got started with his well known relation and knew his old partner in B&B Kennels as he would advertise in SDJ.

[Virgil dogs]

Tell me does someone follow you around to greese your head so it can fit through doors?I know your ego has to turn sideways.You are soooo full of yourself you make me laugh.Are you realy that inscure that anyone who knows these old timers scares you?Pal your a big fish in a small pond relax Im just hear to help out the youngins.I think your just a blowhard,the doggame is full of them.Ya know the funnt part is no one around here remembers you,if your the Mike I remember Fergie scewed the shit out of you.Thats ok though he made his living that way.You remind me of Ozzie that dog rubbin piece of shit,after 15 mins around that guy and you wanted to punch his lights out,But that was what Brian was for.Most of your last post was wrong but I dont want to banty wits with a know it all.Tattoo had a rock for a head just like you,a nice guy but argue with a rock and you would get farther.Lets just say I got all these names form a book and just got my first dog last week,he's out of grch dead game ace gottie.Keep peddlin them pups pal.

[Iron Mike]

Virgil dogs;279735]Tell me does someone follow you around to greese your head so it can fit through doors?I know your ego has to turn sideways.You are soooo full of yourself you make me laugh."

Are your knees sore from idol worship?
I've been laughing since you posted who the greatest was and how you knew everyone so well. LOL

"Are you realy that inscure that anyone who knows these old timers scares you?"

Na, just tried of BS artist who try to claim they know certain people so well when they don't! :)))

"Pal your a big fish in a small pond relax Im just hear to help out the youngins."

In every pond there are bottom feeders known as suckers.
Tread lightly....

"I think your just a blowhard,the doggame is full of them."

Think so? Scared man can't gamble and jealous man can't work.
Find out for sure..

"Ya know the funnt part is no one around here remembers you,if your the Mike I remember Fergie scewed the shit out of you."

Well I'm not the Mike you remember because Fergie and I never deal dogs together nor would he bring one. As for remembering, man you show how green you are. Ask Fergie who I am.. Red knows.
But Frank's wife is still alive and the only time she saw a show, she remembers who n da []. :)
At the first Cajun Reunion better dogmen then you or Red was there. Funny got nothing but love and respect.
I'm not surprise how you respond, that is the style around that area...

"Thats ok though he made his living that way.You remind me of Ozzie that dog rubbin piece of shit,after 15 mins around that guy and you wanted to punch his lights out,But that was what Brian was for."

Now you don't need to be that insulting lol.
But I can't argue about what you said about OS. LOL

"Most of your last post was wrong but I dont want to banty wits with a know it all.Tattoo had a rock for a head just like you,a nice guy but argue with a rock and you would get farther."

No you don't want to DEBATE points with someone DOES know!
Tattoo. LOL D.P. was fun when I was around him. But he wasn't there that night with the Captain.
BTW all was correct.............!

"Lets just say I got all these names form a book and just got my first dog last week,he's out of grch dead game ace gottie.Keep peddlin them pups pal."

At least someone wants what I feed and breed and you?

[bullydogs]

I asked to keep discussion on topic.

I am temporarily locking this up until further notice.