Pups at 5 weeks

[cdpits]

Just wanted to share a few pics of our litter. They are 5 weeks old now. They are being weaned directly onto raw food just like their mom was and are lovin it!First 2 pics are 5 weeks the last one is 4 weeks. They are going into the puppy room today as they have outgrown the whelping box!!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b72/cdpits/Puppies/5Weeks.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b72/cdpits/Puppies/GoodFood.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b72/cdpits/Puppies/Group1-1.jpg

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=272471

[bullydogs]

Some nice looking puppies you got there. They look like lots of fun.:)

[Jay671]

Some beautiful lookin pups you got there.. It's awesome that ur weaning them straight to Raw food..

[Pipbull]

Man, the sire is one handsome dog! And with Tessa as the dam, that is going to be a nice litter. Good luck!

[Dtwo]

OMG they are adorable - especially the one with the little spot on it's nose!
Wow lots of champs in their ped too.

So how many are you keeping?

Have you done or thought about getting the dam and sire's hips OFA'd?
How about elbows and hearts?

[coco0889]

They are so cute!!! Good luck with them.

[cdpits]

Thanks for the compliments, it's been a long time waiting for this litter and I am more than happy with the way they are acting & looking :)
I am keeping a female, the one with the most white. I was going to get Tessa's hips done last fall but before I knew it she was in heat and I was advised by my vet to wait till after the pups as the results can vary with the hormone changes. I will be doing her this spring/summer once she is done with the pups and back to her normal shape/physical fitness level. As for the sire, I don't own him so I can't do much more than suggest it but Tessa is definately having her hips OFA'd and her heart checked too. They will all be DNA'd also.

[Dtwo]

That will be awesome - from what I've seen I think you are well respected and you defintely have a nice dog. I think you could influence a lot of people to do the right thing and with health testing the breed can only get better.
I already have one dog on OFA's website and plan on getting two more done this year.
Good luck with the cuties - you should keep a boy and a girl!;)
I don't envy you - I would not want to part with any of them!

[cdpits]

Thanks for the compliments ;) I am doing my best! I really believe in the dog makes the papers, and yes I am into showing & pulling. That is what I expect from my dogs and they haven't disappointed me yet. I took a lot of ribbing from some prominent west coast kennels about my bitch Lady Hawke and how she was bred, or should I say scatterbred. But you know, she's never let me down, becoming my first CH and then an A/A. At 9 years old she took a #x# in the ace class as she has so much heart. Her offspring have been the same way, never a disappointment. When choosing a male to produce my current litter, I looked for the best conformation dog, IMO, that I could find that also had an awesome temperament but was still a bulldog. A total outcross but the next breeding off this litter will be bred back into the same blood. I am not an expert in any of this, just have a love for an awesome breed and will be a forever student of the American Pit Bull Terrier.
DTWO, Have I ever met up with you at a show? PM me, I don't think I know you be I could be wrong.

[MinorThreat]

dtwo, this breed is very healthy and if selective breeding standards continue theirs no need for any health testing within the bulldog community: OFA testing is fine if someone wishes to do it but its nothing to applaud or continue to suggest as you've already done twice on one thread

and before you give your expert opinion on why its neccessary, I've been around the breed for 15yrs and havent had one dog with bad hips ect or known anyone thats kept proper standards have any dogs with problems either.

the soccer mom fraternity around here seems to think theyre experts on the subject

[Dtwo]

Health testing is nothing to applaud?

Yeah, well, you do your thing and I'll do mine. Of course you can say they are healthy if you never get them tested. Same old tired excuses.

This is my 16th year with the breed, and oh I never had kids and certainly never played soccer.

CD doesn't have a problem with my posts so why do you?

[bahamutt99]

Cindy, beautiful litter. Kudos to you for considering the OFA thing, too. Every little bit helps, and I applaud you for it. I'll just have to remember when I have kids to enroll them in soccer so I can fit the profile required to tender such approval. :D

[Atwater27]

LOL at Minor Threat


What do you got against soccer moms?

[Big Game]

I totaly understand why one would feel testing is unnessesary, However I cant think of one single reason one would strongly Suggest aginst it. Great looking pups By the way.:) Dtwo you own Bobby Butcher & Red Lass Correct? Both are Beutifull well bred bulldogs. Big Game

[bahamutt99]

I totaly understand why one would feel testing is unnessesary, However I cant think of one single reason one would strongly Suggest aginst it.Money.
Fear of what one might find.
Fear of change.
The weird belief that it somehow makes a dog a cur to get tested.

:cool:

20 years being around the breed this year, and I have seen dogs with bad hips, heart murmurs, thyroid issues, day blindness, etc. A dog I know with bad hips was a strong weight pull competitor until they day they found that out. And a minor heart murmur is a minor heart murmur -- not all vets will hear them, but what if you breed two of them together? The only way you can prove no problems is to test, so when people claim they've never seen it, its like claiming you've never seen the skeletons in your closet because you're too scared to turn the light on.

The breed is 22% dysplastic or something like that. The sad thing is, the AmStaff people are probably going to work out their issues before the APBT people do, because we can't even get people to see the need for getting the tests done. But I've seen the change, very slowly, as far as getting more folks on board. (When the Watcher posted about testing one of his dogs, I could've hugged him.) Here's hoping that trend continues.

[Big Rod]

Money.
Fear of what one might find.
Fear of change.
The weird belief that it somehow makes a dog a cur to get tested.

:cool:

20 years being around the breed this year

I think its funny how both replys to minor had to mention they both had more years involved with the breed than him....which means nothing. Ive seen and met plenty of people who have owned whatever breed for whatever amount of years and it has added up to absolutely nothing. Kind of like that dude who has worked out for 5 years, but you would of never known it if he didnt tell you. So when i see everyone throwing around numbers, to me its just that, throwing around numbers.

And "The weird belief that it somehow makes a dog a cur to get tested".....oh yes, you just had to throw that one in there didn't you...? Theres more truth behind my statement of YOU having a "weird belief that it somehow makes YOU A BETTER BREEDER because you test for hips and heart defects". In reality, both statements just give you a false sense of security. I hope they make you feel better about yourself because you can prove your dog has good hips. And we all know thats the ONLY thing that matters in this breed right...? :rolleyes:

[ghost 1]

if you use the dog more than a couch dog you will see the weaknesses and know of any troubles with that dog,,,your going to tell me a stranger knows more about your dog than you do? Let throw around some numbers,,,lol,,,, 25 years,,,lmmfao,,,,yet you have to understand a dog thats working will show its faults,,,and yet only time will show them,,,


Nice Pups CD,,,

[bahamutt99]

I think its funny how both replys to minor had to mention they both had more years involved with the breed than him....which means nothing.But you didn't find it "funny" how he used his years in the breed as proof that the breed has no genetic weaknesses? Talk about tunnel vision.

And "The weird belief that it somehow makes a dog a cur to get tested".....oh yes, you just had to throw that one in there didn't you...? Theres more truth behind my statement of YOU having a "weird belief that it somehow makes YOU A BETTER BREEDER because you test for hips and heart defects". In reality, both statements just give you a false sense of security. I hope they make you feel better about yourself because you can prove your dog has good hips. And we all know thats the ONLY thing that matters in this breed right...? :rolleyes:So who said good hips alone are the sole thing to breed for? The voices in your head? Because it sure wasn't me, nor anybody else here advocating health testing. I think its stupid to breed for any one trait at the expense of all else. The whole package is the only way, and that includes health testing in my book.

Boy there's a lot of bitterness and insecurity in this thread. It was a discussion between Dtwo and CD to begin with, and now all these folks are crawling out of the woodwork to snark that testing for what your eyes can't see is somehow wrong. Please. Every step you take to learn more about your stock makes you a better breeder. You do what you do and gripe about how the world is changing, but quit bitching at the people who are moving forward.

And for the record, the only of my dogs whose been health tested to date is my spayed female. I had that done for my own edification. I will health test every dog I own, if for no other reason than to improve the breed's numbers. 22% dysplastic is damn sad. (ETA: 23.7% dysplastic now. My mistake. Guess we've gotten worse.) I know some of you feel that if you throw some hard work on a dog, you'll see it all, but my own experience gives the lie to that. (ie, the example of the contender for MWPP who had bad hips) If a dog can work through that, indeed crawl into the mouth of death itself, what makes you think you can tell he's defective just by looking? If investing in a little bit of science gives you a better understanding of what's going on under your dog's skin, then the reasons for rejecting that are lame.

"Semmelweis reflex": "...mob behavior in which a discovery of important scientific fact is punished rather than rewarded."

[ghost 1]

But you didn't find it "funny" how he used his years in the breed as proof that the breed has no genetic weaknesses? Talk about tunnel vision.

So who said good hips alone are the sole thing to breed for? The voices in your head? Because it sure wasn't me, nor anybody else here advocating health testing. I think its stupid to breed for any one trait at the expense of all else. The whole package is the only way, and that includes health testing in my book.

Boy there's a lot of bitterness and insecurity in this thread. It was a discussion between Dtwo and CD to begin with, and now all these folks are crawling out of the woodwork to snark that testing for what your eyes can't see is somehow wrong. Please. Every step you take to learn more about your stock makes you a better breeder. You do what you do and gripe about how the world is changing, but quit bitching at the people who are moving forward.

And for the record, the only of my dogs whose been health tested to date is my spayed female. I had that done for my own edification. I will health test every dog I own, if for no other reason than to improve the breed's numbers. 22% dysplastic is damn sad. I know some of you feel that if you throw some hard work on a dog, you'll see it all, but my own experience gives the lie to that. (ie, the example of the contender for MWPP who had bad hips) If a dog can work through that, indeed crawl into the mouth of death itself, what makes you think you can tell he's defective just by looking? If investing in a little bit of science gives you a better understanding of what's going on under your dog's skin, then the reasons for rejecting that are lame.

"Semmelweis reflex": "...mob behavior in which a discovery of important scientific fact is punished rather than rewarded."

Geeze Lueeze

lol,,, its Okay bahamma momma,,, don't let anyone rattle your cage,,,

everyone has there days,,, todays just mine,,,lmao,,,im gonna pickon ya:eek: but in a good way;)

[bahamutt99]

Its all good, Ghost. It wasn't really you I was arguing with. Its the whole conventional logic and status quo I'm wrangling with. And yeah, I hear ya. This hasn't really been my day either. :) Some days I'm just on a crash course to piss people off and I can't seem to stop myself. :D

[cdpits]

Wow, look what happens when you go to sleep for a few hours LOL! I won't start by saying how long I've been involved with this breed I adore. So why do I want to health test? Do I think it is bettering the breed? Maybe it will help in the long run maybe not. I am still sitting on the fence on a lot of the health testing issues. I do know that over the years I have seen many gamebreds with health issues, bad hips, heart murmurs, thyroid etc. Do I think these things exsist in my dog I am testing? Nope, I don't. So why bother then? Personnal curiosity on where my dog sits in the scheme of all this testing. I want to know how they stack up. I will test Tessa and when the time comes to breed Calypso (pup we're keeping) I will test her too to see how she stacks up to her mother. Over the years I have heard all the arguments from both sides on why/why not test. If I want to do it, then its just something I will do because I want to know. Tessa's dam Hawke is going to be 11 this summer, last year she was still pulling competitavely in the Ace class. If I thought she had bad hips, or was limping or stiff I certainly would be doing that with her. She just loves to work so I let her, but I don't let her max out on weight, c'mon, she is a geriatric LOL! Should everyone health test? I am a believer in choice , just like I have been feeding raw food for over 20 years, when I used to go to shows back then and people wanted to know what kind of shampoos I used on my bulldogs and what I fed cause they looked so healthy, the looks I'd get when I told people my dogs hadn't had baths & I fed raw. OMG, you'll get parasites, they'll die from eating all those bones LOL! Look how far raw feeding has come :)

[coolhandjean]

Adorable! Congrats!...

I'll expect mine to arrive in about 3 to 4 weeks. ;) JK. With a free harness, of course. ;)

[jadedpitgirl]

You're pups are GORGEOUS!!! I've always admired the few dogs you have and the work that you put in. One question, is this sire the same male that made Ch in a weekend?



Oh yeah, and when will you start taking orders for harnesses again:o

[GABulldog]

very nice pups...i dont see a problem with health testing, shows that the breeder has nothing to hide and is producing healthy, damn near perfect dogs. and i love how you feed them raw right out of nursing.

[jadesmommy]

ONE YOU HAVE SOME B-E-A-UTIFUL PUPS THERE!

TWO I MAY BE NEW TO THE BREED BUT IF YOU TAKE YOURSELVES TO THE DOCTOR FOR PREVENTITIVE MEDICINE OR CHECK UPS WHY IS IT ANY DIFFERENT FOR YOUR LOVING ANIMALS(WHO CANT SAY "MA IM NOT FEELIN SO GOOD")? NO MATTER THE BREED SOMETHING CAN ALWAYS HAPPEN. SO TO THOSE WHO DONT BELIEVE IN GETTING YOUR DOGS CHECKED FOR BAD HIPS TO HEART PROBLEMS TO A DAMN GUNKY EYE BLAME YOURSELF WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG...NOT YOUR ANIMAL...NOT YOUR VET...JUST YOU

sorry i guess everyones havin that kinda day.

---ones ignorance is self defeat---

[cdpits]

Thanks everybody for all your compliments, means a lot to me!

Adorable! Congrats!...

I'll expect mine to arrive in about 3 to 4 weeks. ;) JK. With a free harness, of course. ;)
hehehe, all my pups come with a wp harness and a walking harness :)

You're pups are GORGEOUS!!! I've always admired the few dogs you have and the work that you put in. One question, is this sire the same male that made Ch in a weekend?



Oh yeah, and when will you start taking orders for harnesses again:o
Thanks! Like everyone else, I try to do the best with what I have. :)

No the sire was Stealhead's GD CH II Sliver, Natl's Ch of CH in 2006 and ADBA's # 2 ranked CH for 2007.You are thinking of Buckhide.
I've been back taking orders since Jan. if you are still seeing the message from last year, you might need to refresh your page :)

[bahamutt99]

We're saving up for our next round of harnesses. I've got, uh, about a quarter of what I need. LOL!

[jadedpitgirl]

No the sire was Stealhead's GD CH II Sliver, Natl's Ch of CH in 2006 and ADBA's # 2 ranked CH for 2007.You are thinking of Buckhide.
I've been back taking orders since Jan. if you are still seeing the message from last year, you might need to refresh your page :)Thanks for the correction on the sire. I hit refresh and see that the message is gone:o I will be placing an order with you in the next month or so. Thanks!

[MisanthropeKitty]

i think the pups are beautiful and i am DEFINITELY ordering a harness! ive been looking for a quality walking harness! i would place my order now but i dont want to go outside to measure buddha

[MinorThreat]

bahamutt, Always jumping in and abusing your moderator status as the modertroll as much as possible, you never fail. Funny how you mention it was a discussion between two, so you get on everyone else for throwing opinions out and you add yours, making your bitcherating lack merit. Playing a hypocrite and troll on one thread, impressive!

Why havent I ever heard of any OFA type health issues within the breed from ANYONE I know with ANY dogs, not one dog ever? Why? Maybe keeping the standards true keeps the breed in line, everything stays true with these dogs when selective breeding standards are kept, a proven fact.

[Marty]

Look... were going to get off this kick of bashing mods on here, if these members want to check their dogs for OFA type health issues, who in the hell are you to dispute it... a little advise for you, if you don't have something good to say (keep you damn mouth shut)!

[bahamutt99]

I moved this thread because I thought the fighting was just ridiculous. (Trust me, I implicate myself by saying that, too.) But upon further reflection, that's not fair to CDpits. Hopefully the discussion can continue in a more civil vein. I'll behave myself and not opine quite so forcefully on these matters if everybody else will, too. :)

[cdpits]

Thanks for putting it back. No reason people can't be civil about why they agree or disagree about things, too bad some just have to go on about it the wrong way.

[Patch O' Pits]

They are precious